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(Daily Mail)   Rich countries in the west are lit up brighter than Mel Gibson on a drunk dialing weekend. Third World countries are almost in complete darkness, like the way you feel after seeing an Adam Sandler comedy   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 77
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2012-07-08 02:20:16 PM  
I didn't read the article, just came here for the good stuff.

I suspect the basis of the article is that Ric Romero just discovered the animated gif images of the earth at night?

I was going to link this but it is kinda big, might be best to open in another tab:

http://cdn4.diggstatic.com/story/europe_at_night_1992_vs_2010_animate d _gif/o.png


A few more pics: http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view.php?id=55167
 
2012-07-08 02:33:58 PM  

Nick Nostril: So, being able to see at night is now "energy waste" ? Okay then.


http://www.darksky.org/

There are better, more efficient, and ultimately cheaper ways to light up the night sky though. Light pollution is something we can mitigate; but it costs money to save money and some (most?) folks will balk at it.
 
2012-07-08 02:38:36 PM  
i.imgur.com

One of these countries is South Korea, and one is Best Korea, See if you can tell them apart from space.
 
2012-07-08 02:53:27 PM  

Fade2black: We're so evil for wanting to use power to power....stuff!

It's probably all the electrical outlets used by hipsters driving their Nissan Leaf or Volt, right?

Even I enjoy pissing off someone when it comes explaining energy consumption...but come on, can't we find something better than the fact we need energy at night? THIS is what we've come down to complaining about?

Fun fact of the day: There is only 1 currently recycled product we turn in on a daily basis that not only makes money, but saves energy. The other 96% cost more money, and use more energy to recycle (but they sure do make us feel good about doing jack shiat to help the planet).

Aluminum.


Forgot Tin, Glass, Platinum, and Copper.
 
2012-07-08 02:54:57 PM  

People_are_Idiots: Fade2black: We're so evil for wanting to use power to power....stuff!

It's probably all the electrical outlets used by hipsters driving their Nissan Leaf or Volt, right?

Even I enjoy pissing off someone when it comes explaining energy consumption...but come on, can't we find something better than the fact we need energy at night? THIS is what we've come down to complaining about?

Fun fact of the day: There is only 1 currently recycled product we turn in on a daily basis that not only makes money, but saves energy. The other 96% cost more money, and use more energy to recycle (but they sure do make us feel good about doing jack shiat to help the planet).

Aluminum.

Forgot Tin, Glass, Platinum, and Copper.


And don't forget Poland.
 
2012-07-08 02:58:17 PM  
I prefer this pic.

www.commoncurrent.com
 
2012-07-08 03:11:34 PM  
So you're saying that power use correlates to wealth? Thank you, Ric Romero!
 
2012-07-08 03:20:20 PM  

CruJones: Also... nice work yankees. I thought y'all were supposed to be all green and energy efficient n shiat.



Allow me to introduce you to the Jevons paradox.
 
2012-07-08 03:34:06 PM  

People_are_Idiots: I prefer this pic.

[www.commoncurrent.com image 578x517]


Wow - the difference between that and the article's view on east Asia is stunning. Fark you, Daily Fail!
 
2012-07-08 03:34:15 PM  

p51d007: Tell you what. This map of "light pollution" shows me that the innovative, RICH, smart, intelligent countries have evolved to the point that they have untold millions of lights shining upward into the sky unnecessarily.


FTFY

Any light you can see from above or even from the side should be shielded to shine only where the light is wanted (downward). Once directed properly the bulb can be replaced by one of half the wattage - less electricity is used and huge piles of money can be saved.
And we will get back our night sky.

Read all about it here: Link
Thanks for listening.
 
2012-07-08 03:36:34 PM  
I wonder why Detroit's so bright.
 
2012-07-08 03:56:20 PM  

jdhj2: I wonder why Detroit's so bright.


Hasn't burned out yet
 
2012-07-08 04:30:21 PM  
Look at a satellite photo of Best Korea and Loser Korea. That one will blow your mind.
 
2012-07-08 04:43:01 PM  
Nothing could ever get me to visit Africa.

//If I wanna see the Milky Way I'll go to northern Canada tyvm
 
2012-07-08 05:07:37 PM  

jdhj2: I wonder why Detroit's so bright.


Fires.
 
2012-07-08 05:28:42 PM  
The bright area in the center of Europe seems to be Holland.
Must be all the greenhouses growing pot.
 
2012-07-08 07:01:18 PM  
Par of the wall betwen India and Pakistan is so brightly lit it can be seen from space.
static.dnaindia.com
 
2012-07-08 07:32:35 PM  

Nick Nostril: So, being able to see at night is now "energy waste" ? Okay then.


It's not wasted energy if I am using it.

Those people who biatch about the amount of light that can be seen from space, don't they have any real problems?
 
2012-07-08 08:46:55 PM  
This article in The New American has a chart showing life expectancy related to kilowatt per person that some might find interesting.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/energy/item/7124-coal-the-rock-th at -burns
 
2012-07-08 10:32:09 PM  
I kinda like how the lights in North America almost make up a grid all the way west to the middle of Kansas and Nebraska.
 
2012-07-08 11:40:57 PM  

Tinton: Nothing could ever get me to visit Africa.

//If I wanna see the Milky Way I'll go to northern Canada tyvm


I can see it nicely from my In-law's property any night that's clear, and we're half an hour from PA. You just need to get far enough from a town center. As to the article addressing the east coast's use vs. the west... well as said before, it's the Daily Fail. If someone from Britain has never been to the US, they have NO concept of just how much land mass we have. (I've been to Britain and it was amusing to me how they thought driving a couple of hours was incredibly far to go in one day). The east coast was settled first and remains heavily populated, compared to the interior where people wandered to get away from their neighbors.

It's the same thing that comes up when they can't wrap their heads around our lack of high speed internet/cell service in rural areas. They just don't have a frame of reference for the vast swaths of unpopulated land. I drove from NY to Seattle and back last summer and while I was prepared by a previous trip for how empty (of people, not 'stuff') the west is, I can see how someone who's never traveled it wouldn't understand.
 
2012-07-08 11:48:53 PM  

Fade2black: Fun fact of the day: There is only 1 currently recycled product we turn in on a daily basis that not only makes money, but saves energy. The other 96% cost more money, and use more energy to recycle (but they sure do make us feel good about doing jack shiat to help the planet).


Citation needed. Everything but glass makes money consistently , in fact the value of recycled materials is at the highest ever right now. I know this because it's my job.
 
2012-07-09 12:46:35 AM  
Clemkadidlefark:


The Third World is not being victimized by our electrical generating capacity. They're being victimized by their inability to get with the program and evolve into societies which can produce and innovate. Like basic civic sanitation. Basic communications and roads. Curing transmittable diseases. And most importantly, not looking to the West for money hand outs and help. That dependency alone hamstrings them as much as anything could.


Actually the poorer, darker, browner-skinned nations of the world are unable to defend themselves from being victimized by the thieving corporations and governments of the more developed part of the globe.

Take Africa for example: more comes out of Africa as raw materials than goes in as "foreign aid." Many of these darker places are full of jerry-rigged mines where materials for computer parts are extracted.

When these "Third World" countries try to be less "dependent" the US government, among others, puts a stop to that. Turn off your TV and do some reading: they have these new-fangled things called "books," which can often be found in buildings called "libraries" that are staffed by these people called "librarians." Ask one of those librarians to show you books on the history of Africa south of the Sahara Desert since 1950, for example.
 
2012-07-09 01:27:52 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Clemkadidlefark:


The Third World is not being victimized by our electrical generating capacity. They're being victimized by their inability to get with the program and evolve into societies which can produce and innovate. Like basic civic sanitation. Basic communications and roads. Curing transmittable diseases. And most importantly, not looking to the West for money hand outs and help. That dependency alone hamstrings them as much as anything could.

Actually the poorer, darker, browner-skinned nations of the world are unable to defend themselves from being victimized by the thieving corporations and governments of the more developed part of the globe.

Take Africa for example: more comes out of Africa as raw materials than goes in as "foreign aid." Many of these darker places are full of jerry-rigged mines where materials for computer parts are extracted.

When these "Third World" countries try to be less "dependent" the US government, among others, puts a stop to that. Turn off your TV and do some reading: they have these new-fangled things called "books," which can often be found in buildings called "libraries" that are staffed by these people called "librarians." Ask one of those librarians to show you books on the history of Africa south of the Sahara Desert since 1950, for example.


Aw, now. That's the best you can hit me with?

How come the developed nations became, well .... developed and third world nations have not? Can't claim it's because of big business and/or international interference. Every developed first tier nation has had to contend with these troubles as they fought their way up. Can't say it's for lack of resources; Africa has everything and more. Can't claim they're dumb and we're smart. That dog don't hunt. In fact there isn't one good reason why Africa hasn't been able to grow up except one ...

... a culture of corruption that would make the Borgias blanch. Corruption and superstition and willful ignorance and a thirst for blood and violence unlike anywhere else on the planet.I don't know about you, but the necklace sure wan't something I could have thought up. As an action in support of breaking free of the dominant government. To your own people.

But more than that, it's the willingness to keen for handouts. And handouts - read foreign aid - comes at a high price and debilitates the population.

Why US Aid Hurts Africa

In the end analysis you have to choose between continuing down a rutted road of ruin and dependency or, break with this evil fostered by foreign governments for their own agendas and see that forcing Africa onto their feet is the kindest thing to do.

Otherwise, you're arguing that they should stay as they are ... poor desperate and different. Which is very much like an intellectual slave trader.
 
2012-07-09 01:31:17 AM  
Link

Dammit, linky link didn't work. But do read this .... by Dambisa Moyo, and watch the videos as well, please.
 
2012-07-09 02:41:39 AM  

cnocnanrionnag:
Any light you can see from above or even from the side should be shielded to shine only where the light is wanted (downward). Once directed properly the bulb can be replaced by one of half the wattage - less electricity is used and huge piles of money can be saved.
And we will get back our night sky.


When I was in the Riyahd area (Desert Storm), the lighting on all their bridges consisted of what looked like bars of florescent lights mounted on the sides about 3 inches above the pavement, all aimed down straight down at the pavement itself. No glare on the windshield, you could see the road perfectly. It was very clever and probably cheaper than installing lights on poles.
 
2012-07-09 10:44:57 AM  
"Also I bet the night sky in Africa is beautiful."

Yes it is. Like velvet studded with diamonds. The milky way, and you can see satellites zipping by.
But you'd better have a flashlight if you want to walk around.

Here in NY, I've never seen the aurora despite living out of the city, because there's a prison a few miles north. And they have to light the office parking lots all night.
 
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