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(Daily Mail)   Rich countries in the west are lit up brighter than Mel Gibson on a drunk dialing weekend. Third World countries are almost in complete darkness, like the way you feel after seeing an Adam Sandler comedy   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 77
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2012-07-08 12:05:13 PM
If you're referring to early Sandler movies, shut your whore mouth. Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore, etc. were awesome.

If you're referring to crap like the one he plays his sister, carry on.
 
2012-07-08 12:06:47 PM
Also... nice work yankees. I thought y'all were supposed to be all green and energy efficient n shiat.
 
2012-07-08 12:07:06 PM
Adam Sandler comedy? I am unfamiliar with that combination of words. Is that like military intelligence or jumbo shrimp?
 
2012-07-08 12:08:57 PM

CruJones: Also... nice work yankees. I thought y'all were supposed to be all green and energy efficient n shiat.


10/10 or Derp.
 
2012-07-08 12:09:23 PM
yeah, i've seen these maps for probably 30 years or more. Nice scoop.
 
2012-07-08 12:12:42 PM
Dark Continent indeed.
 
2012-07-08 12:12:46 PM
CruJones:

Also... nice work yankees. I thought y'all were supposed to be all green and energy efficient n shiat.

Why is overconsumption of coal a good thing?
 
2012-07-08 12:12:51 PM
Well no shiat. No one lives in the interior of Africa or the middle of South America. Look at the western US, its pretty similar. Also I bet the night sky in Africa is beautiful.
 
2012-07-08 12:13:48 PM
There are no Third World countries, nor any First or Second World countries, since 1991.

That is all.
 
2012-07-08 12:14:46 PM
Daily Fail trifecta initiated.
 
2012-07-08 12:15:27 PM
Is the obvious tag off for the day?
 
2012-07-08 12:17:44 PM
Countries with money can afford electricity- whoulda thunk?

Does this still really amaze you?
 
2012-07-08 12:18:17 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: yeah, i've seen these maps for probably 30 years or more. Nice scoop.


This.

/never present a problem without a proposed solution.
//Just turning the lights off is a lot more complicated than you think.
 
2012-07-08 12:18:30 PM
We're so evil for wanting to use power to power....stuff!

It's probably all the electrical outlets used by hipsters driving their Nissan Leaf or Volt, right?

Even I enjoy pissing off someone when it comes explaining energy consumption...but come on, can't we find something better than the fact we need energy at night? THIS is what we've come down to complaining about?

Fun fact of the day: There is only 1 currently recycled product we turn in on a daily basis that not only makes money, but saves energy. The other 96% cost more money, and use more energy to recycle (but they sure do make us feel good about doing jack shiat to help the planet).

Aluminum.
 
2012-07-08 12:18:43 PM
I forgot- must be a really slow news day at The Mail today.
 
2012-07-08 12:19:34 PM
As it should be.
 
2012-07-08 12:20:34 PM
At least National Geographic put some context behind similar images a decade ago. And their photos were better. More details (fires, fishing lights, natural gas burn-offs). And you could trust them not to blot of large swaths of continent in order to make more contrast, which I wouldn't put past The Daily Mail.
 
2012-07-08 12:22:37 PM
Rich countries in the west are lit up brighter than Mel Gibson on a drunk dialing weekend. Third World countries are almost in complete darkness, like the way you feel after seeing an Adam Sandler "comedy".

FTFY
 
2012-07-08 12:22:53 PM
What? No "ha ha, daily fail trifecta?" dudes....
 
2012-07-08 12:22:55 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Well no shiat. No one lives in the interior of Africa or the middle of South America. Look at the western US, its pretty similar. Also I bet the night sky in Africa is beautiful.


I can't vouch for Africa, but I've been to some very remote and blacked out bases in Iraq and Afghanistan. Stellarium and I became friends during my last little jaunt and I learned more about the night sky there than I ever did while in the U.S.
Here, going to where you can see any decent amount of stars is a two-hour drive. It's quite sad, actually.
 
2012-07-08 12:23:24 PM
i486.photobucket.com
Seriously, this is supposed to be controversial in some way? What to I care if some desert and forrest-dwelling cultures haven't figured out the basics of the working light bulb?
 
2012-07-08 12:23:30 PM
Global view: A satellite picture of the energy waste in the West and darkness in the rest of world

White people problems are the worst, I feel so sad for me. And for east Asia who doesn't count according to TFA.
 
2012-07-08 12:23:47 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: yeah, i've seen these maps for probably 30 years or more. Nice scoop.


Wouldn't it be funny if there was a clear light and dark difference between the two Koreas..OMG! Why have I never seen this before?
 
2012-07-08 12:25:01 PM

Fade2black: We're so evil for wanting to use power to power....stuff!

It's probably all the electrical outlets used by hipsters driving their Nissan Leaf or Volt, right?

Even I enjoy pissing off someone when it comes explaining energy consumption...but come on, can't we find something better than the fact we need energy at night? THIS is what we've come down to complaining about?

Fun fact of the day: There is only 1 currently recycled product we turn in on a daily basis that not only makes money, but saves energy. The other 96% cost more money, and use more energy to recycle (but they sure do make us feel good about doing jack shiat to help the planet).

Aluminum.



Yeah, I was annoyed by TFA's logic that because we're using it, we MUST be "wasting". Well I'm not sure why moving our streetlights to the African interior would be fixing the "waste". By what measure exactly are you judging when something is wasted? We use it to keep out economy going. We light the highways so people can drive safely at night, and consequently make more money and increase the tax base. Lighting dirt roads in Africa ain't gonna make anyone a dime.

So per-sq-ft consumption seems to be the de facto criteria for wastage here. But the author didn't SAY that, because calling density of consumption a vice sounds stupid. Because it is.
 
2012-07-08 12:25:25 PM
Fark needs a "No shiat" tag

Who would have thought people with infrastructure in their countries would use electricity.
 
2012-07-08 12:28:50 PM

instantwin: CruJones: Also... nice work yankees. I thought y'all were supposed to be all green and energy efficient n shiat.

10/10 or Derp.


Wow, a 10/10 and got TotalFarked in 24 hours. If I don't watch out I may get a link greenlit. It would only be my first in.... holy crap I just passed 10 years on this site.

/more sarcasm than trolling though
 
2012-07-08 12:32:04 PM

CruJones: Also... nice work yankees. I thought y'all were supposed to be all green and energy efficient n shiat.


you really are a moran. stop using 'yankee' and you'll fool people into thinking you're brighter than you are.
 
2012-07-08 12:34:27 PM
Tell you what. This map of "light pollution" shows me that the innovative, RICH, smart, intelligent countries have evolved to the point that they will not live in the dark, live in object poverty, live suffering the pain of heat or cold.
I wish these "scientist" would STFU and leave the rest of us alone!
These "rich" countries were not always rich. We innovated, produced, evolved to the point we don't have to use whale oil to light the night, we don't starve because we figured out how to produce safe food to eat, medicines to heal the sick. Everyone points fingers at the USA as "the evil" in the world. Well, how about the next time there is a natural disaster, some tin-horn dictator invades your country, we just sit it out and let you figure out how to fix it. Every time there is something happening in the world, most of the time the U.N. (useless nations) will come calling to Uncle Sam's piggy bank. Well, I say that we just say fix it yourself. People in the USA are about fed up with "saving the world" (WW1, WW2), and then getting spit upon.
 
2012-07-08 12:35:40 PM
encrypted-tbn0.google.comencrypted-tbn3.google.com.......... Don't be taunting me biatch
 
2012-07-08 12:38:43 PM

p51d007: Tell you what. This map of "light pollution" shows me that the innovative, RICH, smart, intelligent countries have evolved to the point that they will not live in the dark, live in object poverty, live suffering the pain of heat or cold.
I wish these "scientist" would STFU and leave the rest of us alone!
These "rich" countries were not always rich. We innovated, produced, evolved to the point we don't have to use whale oil to light the night, we don't starve because we figured out how to produce safe food to eat, medicines to heal the sick. Everyone points fingers at the USA as "the evil" in the world. Well, how about the next time there is a natural disaster, some tin-horn dictator invades your country, we just sit it out and let you figure out how to fix it. Every time there is something happening in the world, most of the time the U.N. (useless nations) will come calling to Uncle Sam's piggy bank. Well, I say that we just say fix it yourself. People in the USA are about fed up with "saving the world" (WW1, WW2), and then getting spit upon.


Shush your mouth! Captain America wouldn't be carrying on like this.

We do it because someone has to.
 
2012-07-08 12:38:53 PM

KrispyKritter: CruJones: Also... nice work yankees. I thought y'all were supposed to be all green and energy efficient n shiat.

you really are a moran. stop using 'yankee' and you'll fool people into thinking you're brighter than you are.


Should I have used "New Englanders" instead?
 
2012-07-08 12:40:56 PM
Large expanses of sparsely-populated desert and jungle lack electrical infrastructure. News at eleven.
 
2012-07-08 12:42:28 PM

Oznog: Yeah, I was annoyed by TFA's logic that because we're using it, we MUST be "wasting". Well I'm not sure why moving our streetlights to the African interior would be fixing the "waste".


It wouldn't. I think the thrust of TFA is that we should make everywhere dark, not light up anyone else. It's the "spread the virtue" theory, and by "virtue" I mean "misery".
 
2012-07-08 12:49:51 PM
So I guess I should feel guilty for being born 1st world? Meh whatever.....
 
2012-07-08 12:50:54 PM

jjorsett: I think the thrust of TFA is that we should make everywhere dark, not light up anyone else. It's the "spread the virtue" theory, and by "virtue" I mean "misery".


The places that aren't glowing look the most desirable to me. Shame about all the poverty and murder when you get closer.
 
2012-07-08 12:52:48 PM

p51d007: Tell you what. This map of "light pollution" shows me that the innovative, RICH, smart, intelligent countries have evolved to the point that they will not live in the dark, live in object poverty, live suffering the pain of heat or cold.
I wish these "scientist" would STFU and leave the rest of us alone!
These "rich" countries were not always rich. We innovated, produced, evolved to the point we don't have to use whale oil to light the night, we don't starve because we figured out how to produce safe food to eat, medicines to heal the sick. Everyone points fingers at the USA as "the evil" in the world. Well, how about the next time there is a natural disaster, some tin-horn dictator invades your country, we just sit it out and let you figure out how to fix it. Every time there is something happening in the world, most of the time the U.N. (useless nations) will come calling to Uncle Sam's piggy bank. Well, I say that we just say fix it yourself. People in the USA are about fed up with "saving the world" (WW1, WW2), and then getting spit upon.


0/10. Way too obvious. If you're going to be a decent troll you need to learn a little thing called "subtlety". This is Fark, you know, not some crappy little news link site. We have standards here.
 
2012-07-08 12:56:25 PM
So, being able to see at night is now "energy waste" ? Okay then.
 
2012-07-08 12:58:51 PM
But it does raise an interesting question on WHY we feel afraid of the dark. So much so that we will waste gazillions on lighting up empty streets and highways all night long.

In the city, headlights on autos are redundant.
 
2012-07-08 01:00:21 PM
Alternate headline: Third world countries lead the globe in energy conservation.

/gotta spin it positive.
 
2012-07-08 01:01:05 PM
Dark sky doesn't matter when there is a full moon, why I moved my vacation week at Death Valley from around the 4th back 2 weeks into June. Alone 2 nights at the cool, higher-altitude campground, ain't saying which one, except for the ravens and rabbits.
 
2012-07-08 01:14:47 PM
But as these stunning images from space show, we in the West are guilty of wasting energy and polluting light on a staggering scale.


Damn, all out of farks to give.

So, instead, I'm going to leave my stereo cranked, and my computer and big screen T.V. running while I make a food / beer run in my air conditioned car. Maybe I'll find a fark to give along the way, but I doubt it.
 
2012-07-08 01:20:44 PM
We have standards here.

...

/.
 
2012-07-08 01:21:14 PM

CruJones: Also... nice work yankees. I thought y'all were supposed to be all green and energy efficient n shiat.


So, you're okay with lots and lots of energy just so long as it's green? So am I.

Ten Bits Ranch, Running Y Ranch, Babcock Ranch, SunTanks, La Vina Ranch, etc.

And my fav ... Beaulieu Residence

The Third World is not being victimized by our electrical generating capacity. They're being victimized by their inability to get with the program and evolve into societies which can produce and innovate. Like basic civic sanitation. Basic communications and roads. Curing transmittable diseases. And most importantly, not looking to the West for money hand outs and help. That dependency alone hamstrings them as much as anything could.
 
2012-07-08 01:23:38 PM
It's full of. . .civilization!
 
2012-07-08 01:23:54 PM

bmwericus: But it does raise an interesting question on WHY we feel afraid of the dark. So much so that we will waste gazillions on lighting up empty streets and highways all night long.

In the city, headlights on autos are redundant.


Lol no they aren't. If you drove down a major metro street and no-onw had head lights on, you'd be shocked at the accident rate.
 
2012-07-08 01:33:07 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Well no shiat. No one lives in the interior of Africa or the middle of South America. Look at the western US, its pretty similar. Also I bet the night sky in Africa is beautiful.


It's absolutely stunning. I grew up in rural Alabama so I thought I knew what an sky untouched by light pollution looked like but I was wrong. Go to Africa, climb up a mountain to be above much of the atmospheric haze and go outside before moonrise and your mouth will just hit the ground. You'll understand why the Milky Way got its name and I'm not talking about the candy bar.

/Coca-Cola also tastes better in Africa.
//Squat toilets aren't much fun
 
2012-07-08 01:37:08 PM
Canada is a rich country but most of Canada is dark.. that is cause its sparsely populated. Same with Australia. Daily Mail= Daily Fail for a reason
 
2012-07-08 01:44:37 PM

swahnhennessy: At least National Geographic put some context behind similar images a decade ago. And their photos were better. More details (fires, fishing lights, natural gas burn-offs). And you could trust them not to blot of large swaths of continent in order to make more contrast, which I wouldn't put past The Daily Mail.


i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-08 01:48:31 PM
Bonus points for the headline, Subby.
 
2012-07-08 01:55:57 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Well no shiat. No one lives in the interior of Africa or the middle of South America. Look at the western US, its pretty similar. Also I bet the night sky in Africa is beautiful.


are you serious about people not living in the interior of Africa and/or South America?
 
2012-07-08 02:20:16 PM
I didn't read the article, just came here for the good stuff.

I suspect the basis of the article is that Ric Romero just discovered the animated gif images of the earth at night?

I was going to link this but it is kinda big, might be best to open in another tab:

http://cdn4.diggstatic.com/story/europe_at_night_1992_vs_2010_animate d _gif/o.png


A few more pics: http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view.php?id=55167
 
2012-07-08 02:33:58 PM

Nick Nostril: So, being able to see at night is now "energy waste" ? Okay then.


http://www.darksky.org/

There are better, more efficient, and ultimately cheaper ways to light up the night sky though. Light pollution is something we can mitigate; but it costs money to save money and some (most?) folks will balk at it.
 
2012-07-08 02:38:36 PM
i.imgur.com

One of these countries is South Korea, and one is Best Korea, See if you can tell them apart from space.
 
2012-07-08 02:53:27 PM

Fade2black: We're so evil for wanting to use power to power....stuff!

It's probably all the electrical outlets used by hipsters driving their Nissan Leaf or Volt, right?

Even I enjoy pissing off someone when it comes explaining energy consumption...but come on, can't we find something better than the fact we need energy at night? THIS is what we've come down to complaining about?

Fun fact of the day: There is only 1 currently recycled product we turn in on a daily basis that not only makes money, but saves energy. The other 96% cost more money, and use more energy to recycle (but they sure do make us feel good about doing jack shiat to help the planet).

Aluminum.


Forgot Tin, Glass, Platinum, and Copper.
 
2012-07-08 02:54:57 PM

People_are_Idiots: Fade2black: We're so evil for wanting to use power to power....stuff!

It's probably all the electrical outlets used by hipsters driving their Nissan Leaf or Volt, right?

Even I enjoy pissing off someone when it comes explaining energy consumption...but come on, can't we find something better than the fact we need energy at night? THIS is what we've come down to complaining about?

Fun fact of the day: There is only 1 currently recycled product we turn in on a daily basis that not only makes money, but saves energy. The other 96% cost more money, and use more energy to recycle (but they sure do make us feel good about doing jack shiat to help the planet).

Aluminum.

Forgot Tin, Glass, Platinum, and Copper.


And don't forget Poland.
 
2012-07-08 02:58:17 PM
I prefer this pic.

www.commoncurrent.com
 
2012-07-08 03:11:34 PM
So you're saying that power use correlates to wealth? Thank you, Ric Romero!
 
2012-07-08 03:20:20 PM

CruJones: Also... nice work yankees. I thought y'all were supposed to be all green and energy efficient n shiat.



Allow me to introduce you to the Jevons paradox.
 
2012-07-08 03:34:06 PM

People_are_Idiots: I prefer this pic.

[www.commoncurrent.com image 578x517]


Wow - the difference between that and the article's view on east Asia is stunning. Fark you, Daily Fail!
 
2012-07-08 03:34:15 PM

p51d007: Tell you what. This map of "light pollution" shows me that the innovative, RICH, smart, intelligent countries have evolved to the point that they have untold millions of lights shining upward into the sky unnecessarily.


FTFY

Any light you can see from above or even from the side should be shielded to shine only where the light is wanted (downward). Once directed properly the bulb can be replaced by one of half the wattage - less electricity is used and huge piles of money can be saved.
And we will get back our night sky.

Read all about it here: Link
Thanks for listening.
 
2012-07-08 03:36:34 PM
I wonder why Detroit's so bright.
 
2012-07-08 03:56:20 PM

jdhj2: I wonder why Detroit's so bright.


Hasn't burned out yet
 
2012-07-08 04:30:21 PM
Look at a satellite photo of Best Korea and Loser Korea. That one will blow your mind.
 
2012-07-08 04:43:01 PM
Nothing could ever get me to visit Africa.

//If I wanna see the Milky Way I'll go to northern Canada tyvm
 
2012-07-08 05:07:37 PM

jdhj2: I wonder why Detroit's so bright.


Fires.
 
2012-07-08 05:28:42 PM
The bright area in the center of Europe seems to be Holland.
Must be all the greenhouses growing pot.
 
2012-07-08 07:01:18 PM
Par of the wall betwen India and Pakistan is so brightly lit it can be seen from space.
static.dnaindia.com
 
2012-07-08 07:32:35 PM

Nick Nostril: So, being able to see at night is now "energy waste" ? Okay then.


It's not wasted energy if I am using it.

Those people who biatch about the amount of light that can be seen from space, don't they have any real problems?
 
2012-07-08 08:46:55 PM
This article in The New American has a chart showing life expectancy related to kilowatt per person that some might find interesting.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/energy/item/7124-coal-the-rock-th at -burns
 
2012-07-08 10:32:09 PM
I kinda like how the lights in North America almost make up a grid all the way west to the middle of Kansas and Nebraska.
 
2012-07-08 11:40:57 PM

Tinton: Nothing could ever get me to visit Africa.

//If I wanna see the Milky Way I'll go to northern Canada tyvm


I can see it nicely from my In-law's property any night that's clear, and we're half an hour from PA. You just need to get far enough from a town center. As to the article addressing the east coast's use vs. the west... well as said before, it's the Daily Fail. If someone from Britain has never been to the US, they have NO concept of just how much land mass we have. (I've been to Britain and it was amusing to me how they thought driving a couple of hours was incredibly far to go in one day). The east coast was settled first and remains heavily populated, compared to the interior where people wandered to get away from their neighbors.

It's the same thing that comes up when they can't wrap their heads around our lack of high speed internet/cell service in rural areas. They just don't have a frame of reference for the vast swaths of unpopulated land. I drove from NY to Seattle and back last summer and while I was prepared by a previous trip for how empty (of people, not 'stuff') the west is, I can see how someone who's never traveled it wouldn't understand.
 
2012-07-08 11:48:53 PM

Fade2black: Fun fact of the day: There is only 1 currently recycled product we turn in on a daily basis that not only makes money, but saves energy. The other 96% cost more money, and use more energy to recycle (but they sure do make us feel good about doing jack shiat to help the planet).


Citation needed. Everything but glass makes money consistently , in fact the value of recycled materials is at the highest ever right now. I know this because it's my job.
 
2012-07-09 12:46:35 AM
Clemkadidlefark:


The Third World is not being victimized by our electrical generating capacity. They're being victimized by their inability to get with the program and evolve into societies which can produce and innovate. Like basic civic sanitation. Basic communications and roads. Curing transmittable diseases. And most importantly, not looking to the West for money hand outs and help. That dependency alone hamstrings them as much as anything could.


Actually the poorer, darker, browner-skinned nations of the world are unable to defend themselves from being victimized by the thieving corporations and governments of the more developed part of the globe.

Take Africa for example: more comes out of Africa as raw materials than goes in as "foreign aid." Many of these darker places are full of jerry-rigged mines where materials for computer parts are extracted.

When these "Third World" countries try to be less "dependent" the US government, among others, puts a stop to that. Turn off your TV and do some reading: they have these new-fangled things called "books," which can often be found in buildings called "libraries" that are staffed by these people called "librarians." Ask one of those librarians to show you books on the history of Africa south of the Sahara Desert since 1950, for example.
 
2012-07-09 01:27:52 AM

The One True TheDavid: Clemkadidlefark:


The Third World is not being victimized by our electrical generating capacity. They're being victimized by their inability to get with the program and evolve into societies which can produce and innovate. Like basic civic sanitation. Basic communications and roads. Curing transmittable diseases. And most importantly, not looking to the West for money hand outs and help. That dependency alone hamstrings them as much as anything could.

Actually the poorer, darker, browner-skinned nations of the world are unable to defend themselves from being victimized by the thieving corporations and governments of the more developed part of the globe.

Take Africa for example: more comes out of Africa as raw materials than goes in as "foreign aid." Many of these darker places are full of jerry-rigged mines where materials for computer parts are extracted.

When these "Third World" countries try to be less "dependent" the US government, among others, puts a stop to that. Turn off your TV and do some reading: they have these new-fangled things called "books," which can often be found in buildings called "libraries" that are staffed by these people called "librarians." Ask one of those librarians to show you books on the history of Africa south of the Sahara Desert since 1950, for example.


Aw, now. That's the best you can hit me with?

How come the developed nations became, well .... developed and third world nations have not? Can't claim it's because of big business and/or international interference. Every developed first tier nation has had to contend with these troubles as they fought their way up. Can't say it's for lack of resources; Africa has everything and more. Can't claim they're dumb and we're smart. That dog don't hunt. In fact there isn't one good reason why Africa hasn't been able to grow up except one ...

... a culture of corruption that would make the Borgias blanch. Corruption and superstition and willful ignorance and a thirst for blood and violence unlike anywhere else on the planet.I don't know about you, but the necklace sure wan't something I could have thought up. As an action in support of breaking free of the dominant government. To your own people.

But more than that, it's the willingness to keen for handouts. And handouts - read foreign aid - comes at a high price and debilitates the population.

Why US Aid Hurts Africa

In the end analysis you have to choose between continuing down a rutted road of ruin and dependency or, break with this evil fostered by foreign governments for their own agendas and see that forcing Africa onto their feet is the kindest thing to do.

Otherwise, you're arguing that they should stay as they are ... poor desperate and different. Which is very much like an intellectual slave trader.
 
2012-07-09 01:31:17 AM
Link

Dammit, linky link didn't work. But do read this .... by Dambisa Moyo, and watch the videos as well, please.
 
2012-07-09 02:41:39 AM

cnocnanrionnag:
Any light you can see from above or even from the side should be shielded to shine only where the light is wanted (downward). Once directed properly the bulb can be replaced by one of half the wattage - less electricity is used and huge piles of money can be saved.
And we will get back our night sky.


When I was in the Riyahd area (Desert Storm), the lighting on all their bridges consisted of what looked like bars of florescent lights mounted on the sides about 3 inches above the pavement, all aimed down straight down at the pavement itself. No glare on the windshield, you could see the road perfectly. It was very clever and probably cheaper than installing lights on poles.
 
2012-07-09 10:44:57 AM
"Also I bet the night sky in Africa is beautiful."

Yes it is. Like velvet studded with diamonds. The milky way, and you can see satellites zipping by.
But you'd better have a flashlight if you want to walk around.

Here in NY, I've never seen the aurora despite living out of the city, because there's a prison a few miles north. And they have to light the office parking lots all night.
 
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