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2012-07-08 02:04:13 PM  

Sabyen91: mat catastrophe: Now, I'm sure at least one of you idiots will read this as a "both sides suck, vote Republican" argument. If you do, then fark you, you deserve every last farking thing that happens to your country in the next decade by continuing to believe in the sham that is national level politics.

BSABSVR. Seriously. With the unprecedented obstructionism by the Republicans your rant means absolutely nothing. When the Dems do attempt to do things and the Republicans stamp there feet what is there to do. The Dems have bent over backwards to compromise but the Republican idea of compromise is "Give me everything I wan't. So, no, fark you buddy.


This is partially true, except the Democrats weren't offering compromises they were capitulating and offering slighty-less-right wing options. That's not fighting for the people, that's just making the slide into hell a little less steep.

Democrats had their chance to do whatever they wanted for two years following Obama's election. They could have started with banking reforms, criminal investigations into the banks that caused the financial collapse, as well as the earlier ones that started two wars, and they could have engaged the nation in a vibrant public works program to address our crumbling infrastructure. Instead, they handed more money to Wall Street and they fought to pass a conservative-written health care act that bogged the entire system down up until, um, yesterday. The DNC coffers profited from that gridlock and those policy decisions.

In 2010, they rolled over and let the Tea Party run rampant over them. Why? Because they had bumfark zilch to show for progress in the previous two years. The independents and leftys that supported Obama in 08 stayed home. And both sides still raked in the cash.

You want to vote national? Fine. Do it. But don't give them money or time. Put that energy to use on the local level and counteract the real damage being done there. You're losing the fight for your country because you don't see that it's really in your backyard.
 
2012-07-08 02:07:34 PM  

mat catastrophe: This is partially true, except the Democrats weren't offering compromises they were capitulating and offering slighty-less-right wing options. That's not fighting for the people, that's just making the slide into hell a little less steep.

Democrats had their chance to do whatever they wanted for two years following Obama's election. They could have started with banking reforms, criminal investigations into the banks that caused the financial collapse, as well as the earlier ones that started two wars, and they could have engaged the nation in a vibrant public works program to address our crumbling infrastructure. Instead, they handed more money to Wall Street and they fought to pass a conservative-written health care act that bogged the entire system down up until, um, yesterday. The DNC coffers profited from that gridlock and those policy decisions.



The bolded part is crap. Why do you say this? Do you know nothing about the Senate rules?
 
2012-07-08 02:11:21 PM  
Basically, because GOPers are the enemy of the nation.
 
2012-07-08 02:12:04 PM  

mat catastrophe:
If you want to do something to directly affect your life today, then get involved on the local level. Get yourself elected to your city or country government, or your school board. The right wing has been working that for forty years while also jamming up the national level political system. That's why you've got real threats to America in the form of school boards allowing the dismantling of the public education system, cities selling naming rights to corporations for public spaces, towns abandoning police and fire services, and assaults on actual religious freedom (including and especially the freedom to not be religious) by local theocrats. You can't count on the judicial system to fix all of this, as they are slow to act and not always interested in working for the best of the people.


Motherfarking this. I remember in the early eighties the push for conservative Christians to run for school boards and dogcatchers. They showed results in less than a decade. They took my home state of Kansas from a reasonable middle-of-the-road political state to a bastion for complete batshiat insanity in less than twenty years.
 
2012-07-08 02:12:05 PM  

Sabyen91: I was looking around the internet, trying to find out when the talking filibuster went by the wayside. It was either the early 70's or the late 1800's (pretty sure that racist Strom Thurmond was just attention whoring).


Yeah, I was looking for info on that and couldn't figure it out.

Did find a site that listed the 5 longest filibusters in US history.

Thurmond's 24 hours 15 minute rant against civil rights was the longest on record but not the latest.

D'Amoto in NY was second. Apparently he filibustered a military bill in 1986 for 23 hours and 30 minutes because he was pissed it cut out funding for a local company. He talked until the House adjourned for the year effectively killing the legislation.

I have no memory of this at all for some reason.

Anyway, I ran across something I didn't know. The Senate got rid of secret hold last year. I can't believe I heard nothing of it.

They did it in secret, maybe?
 
2012-07-08 02:13:46 PM  

quatchi: Sabyen91: I was looking around the internet, trying to find out when the talking filibuster went by the wayside. It was either the early 70's or the late 1800's (pretty sure that racist Strom Thurmond was just attention whoring).

Yeah, I was looking for info on that and couldn't figure it out.

Did find a site that listed the 5 longest filibusters in US history.

Thurmond's 24 hours 15 minute rant against civil rights was the longest on record but not the latest.

D'Amoto in NY was second. Apparently he filibustered a military bill in 1986 for 23 hours and 30 minutes because he was pissed it cut out funding for a local company. He talked until the House adjourned for the year effectively killing the legislation.

I have no memory of this at all for some reason.

Anyway, I ran across something I didn't know. The Senate got rid of secret hold last year. I can't believe I heard nothing of it.

They did it in secret, maybe?


Heh, no. I found a couple of stories on it. Guess it wasn't all that newsworthy for most of the media though.
 
2012-07-08 02:14:54 PM  

Sabyen91: Except it takes unanimous consent to override a hold.


If you want to dispense with it *quickly*, yes.

If you're willing to sink a few days into navigating Senate parliamentary procedure, then you just need the 60. Reid has gone that route for a handful of nominations for key posts in the past.

Holds are just notice of intent to object to unanimous consent. They're only effective if you're objecting to something that isn't worth spending days on or in large numbers.
 
2012-07-08 02:17:56 PM  

Aexia: Sabyen91: Except it takes unanimous consent to override a hold.

If you want to dispense with it *quickly*, yes.

If you're willing to sink a few days into navigating Senate parliamentary procedure, then you just need the 60. Reid has gone that route for a handful of nominations for key posts in the past.

Holds are just notice of intent to object to unanimous consent. They're only effective if you're objecting to something that isn't worth spending days on or in large numbers.


Ah, I see what you are saying. I am glad they got rid of the secret hold though. If you are going to do it, do it but put your name on it, ya cowards.
 
2012-07-08 02:32:31 PM  

mat catastrophe: In 2010, they rolled over and let the Tea Party run rampant over them. Why? Because they had bumfark zilch to show for progress in the previous two years. The independents and leftys that supported Obama in 08 stayed home. And both sides still raked in the cash.


Yes, Obama did nothing

A SAMPLE OF CAMPAIGN PROMISES KEPT BY PRESIDENT OBAMA:

No. 4: Extend child tax credits and marriage-penalty fixes
No. 16: Increase minority access to capital
No. 33: Establish a credit card bill of rights
No. 36: Expand loan programs for small businesses
No. 37: Extend the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes
No. 38: Extend the Bush tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 (couples) or $200,000 (single)
No. 48: Close the "doughnut hole" in Medicare prescription drug plan
No. 51: Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions
No. 53: Give tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums
No. 55: Require large employers to contribute to a national health plan
No. 56: Require children to have health insurance coverage
No. 57: Expand eligibility for Medicaid
No. 58: Expand eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP)
No. 63: Require health plans to disclose how much of the premium goes to patient care
No. 65: Establish an independent health institute to provide accurate and objective information
No. 69: In non-competitive markets, force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums for patient care
No. 70: Eliminate the higher subsidies to Medicare Advantage plans
No. 93: Reinstate executive order to hire an additional 100,000 federal employees with disabilities within five years.
No. 105: Increase the Veterans Administration budget to recruit and retain more mental health
No. 109: Fully fund the Veterans Administration
No. 113: Expand the Veterans Administration's number of "centers of excellence" in specialty care
No. 121: Fully fund the Violence Against Women Act
No. 125: Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq
No. 126: Begin removing combat brigades from Iraq
No. 132: No permanent bases in Iraq
No. 161: End the abuse of supplemental budgets for war
No. 167: Make U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional on anti-terror efforts
No. 172: Open "America Houses" in Islamic cities around the globe
No. 182: Allocate Homeland Security funding according to risk
No. 195: Seek verifiable reductions in nuclear stockpiles
No. 196: Extend monitoring and verification provisions of the START I Treaty
No. 197: Stand down nuclear forces to be reduced under the Moscow Treaty
No. 215: Create a rapid response fund for emerging democracies
No. 222: Grant Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba
No. 225: Establish an Energy Partnership for the Americas
No. 229: Expand the Nurse-Family Partnership to all low-income, first-time mothers
No. 239: Release presidential records
No. 241: Require new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions.
No. 244: Provide affordable, high-quality child care
No. 247: Recruit math and science degree graduates to the teaching profession
No. 259: Reduce subsidies to private student lenders and protect student borrowers
No. 269: Increase funding for national parks and forests
No. 275: Expand Pell grants for low-income students
No. 290: Push for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors
No. 293: Repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy
No. 315: Establish 'Promise Neighborhoods' for areas of concentrated poverty
No. 359: Rebuild schools in New Orleans
No. 371: Fund a major expansion of AmeriCorps
No. 411: Work to overturn Ledbetter vs. Goodyear
No. 422: Create new financial regulations
No. 427: Ban lobbyist gifts to executive employees
No. 433: Sign a "universal" health care bill
No. 435: Create new criminal penalties for mortgage fraud
No. 449: Raise fuel economy standards
No. 458: Invest in all types of alternative energy
No. 483: Invest in public transportation
No. 495: Double federal spending for research on clean fuels
No. 500: Increase funding for the Environmental Protection Agency
No. 507: Extend unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits
No. 513: Reverse restrictions on stem cell research
 
2012-07-08 02:42:56 PM  

bugontherug: TimonC346: Yes, Democrats vs Republicans, the incompetent vs. the retards.

After the Bush years, anyone who says the Republicans are competent is a fool or a partisan.


They are for sure losing it now--I agree.
 
2012-07-08 02:43:26 PM  
The Do-Nothing Congress is headed back to DC to, well, do blame Obama for doing nothing

FTFY, subs
 
2012-07-08 02:45:26 PM  

mat catastrophe:
Now, I'm sure at least one of you idiots will read this as a "both sides suck, vote Republican" argument.


No I think it's clear that the LIEbral machine has got to you. But how? Your wife, your dog, your family? Are they really worth allowing the liberals to destroy America? Are you really that selfish?
 
2012-07-08 02:46:45 PM  

gimmegimme: randomjsa: House Republicans pass bills and legislation that is killed off in the Senate.

Liberals: "omg do nothing congress!'

Think of it this way. Say you hire an architect and he designs you a house with no bathrooms and a rock climbing wall instead of a kitchen and no roof on your bedroom. You'd consider him a do-nothing architect, right? He hasn't proposed anything realistic or helpful.


Depends. Is the architect a Democrat?
 
2012-07-08 02:49:57 PM  
What do you expect from people who look like a
Turtle
Snail
Wide-eyed hoot owl
or a sleepy-eyed well-tanned casual... (well, you get the idea)


Not really a bunch of road-runners or Speedy Gonzoles.
 
2012-07-08 02:52:23 PM  

Arkanaut: The Do-Nothing Congress is headed back to DC to, well, do blame Obama for doing nothing

while at the same time calling him a socialist dictator who is single-handedly ruining the country.

re-FTFY, subsArkanaut
 
2012-07-08 02:55:12 PM  
they aren't about to do anything to create jobs while Obama is in the white house. no they'll continue at the state and local level to lay off employees just to hurt him. I predict a big rehire after the elections.
 
2012-07-08 03:05:30 PM  
I don't quite understand the concern, concernmitter. This is America. We demand partisanship and dysfunction. It's why we elect these people.
 
2012-07-08 03:07:38 PM  
Abortion is still legal, the rich are still paying taxes, and the government hasn't been sold to the lowest bidder, so there's still plenty for the Republicans to do.
 
2012-07-08 03:07:55 PM  

Dr.Zom: "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session."


Unless he's a legislator.
 
2012-07-08 03:14:43 PM  

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: House Republicans pass bills and legislation that is killed off in the Senate.

Liberals: "omg do nothing congress!'

Yes, the Liberals in the Senate should just ruberstamp every dumbass plan the paint eaters in the GOP House conjure up amiright?


How about sending them to Senate committee for at least a debate? That is how the normal process works. But it's only obstruction when the GOP does it, not when Reid leaves bills on his desk and won't even send to committee. Fark liberals are farking hypocrites in this regard.
 
2012-07-08 03:34:15 PM  
They did name a few bridges though, right?
 
2012-07-08 03:37:08 PM  

MyRandomName: Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: House Republicans pass bills and legislation that is killed off in the Senate.

Liberals: "omg do nothing congress!'

Yes, the Liberals in the Senate should just ruberstamp every dumbass plan the paint eaters in the GOP House conjure up amiright?

How about sending them to Senate committee for at least a debate? That is how the normal process works. But it's only obstruction when the GOP does it, not when Reid leaves bills on his desk and won't even send to committee. Fark liberals are farking hypocrites in this regard.


Stupid ideas don't deserve to be sent to committee. I'm sorry you don't understand this kind of discrimination. Not every child is a special snowflake. I know this is a shock to you.
 
2012-07-08 03:43:12 PM  

Sabyen91: mat catastrophe: This is partially true, except the Democrats weren't offering compromises they were capitulating and offering slighty-less-right wing options. That's not fighting for the people, that's just making the slide into hell a little less steep.

Democrats had their chance to do whatever they wanted for two years following Obama's election. They could have started with banking reforms, criminal investigations into the banks that caused the financial collapse, as well as the earlier ones that started two wars, and they could have engaged the nation in a vibrant public works program to address our crumbling infrastructure. Instead, they handed more money to Wall Street and they fought to pass a conservative-written health care act that bogged the entire system down up until, um, yesterday. The DNC coffers profited from that gridlock and those policy decisions.


The bolded part is crap. Why do you say this? Do you know nothing about the Senate rules?


You mean how Democrats shiat themselves everytime the GOP said "Filibuster" instead of standing up, saying "Bring it, fat farks," and at least going down with a fight instead of capitulating and either watering down the legislation or abandoning it completely.

Either way, they folded up and the "liberal" option lost. Why pretend that they even tried? They didn't. They gave up every single time.

Dr.Zom:
Motherfarking this. I remember in the early eighties the push for conservative Christians to run for school boards and dogcatchers. They showed results in less than a decade. They took my home state of Kansas from a reasonable middle-of-the-road political state to a bastion for complete batshiat insanity in less than twenty years.


I think someone should pay for a massive airdrop of copies of "What's the Matter with Kansas?" in that state. It's amazing to think that 100 years ago it was a progressive state, and only 30 years ago it was at least still moderate.

But you can't make people understand things like that because they're focused on which centrist is going to win the Presidency this year. Sure, Romney's got the same batch of assholes doing his foreign policy as Bush but is Obama remarkably different? He's making more enemies overseas with the drone attacks than Bush did with two invasions.

too-old:
Yes, Obama did nothing

A SAMPLE OF CAMPAIGN PROMISES KEPT BY PRESIDENT OBAMA:

No. 4: Extend child tax credits and marriage-penalty fixes
No. 16: Increase minority access to capital
No. 33: Establish a credit card bill of rights
No. 36: Expand loan programs for small businesses
No. 37: Extend the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes
No. 38: Extend the Bush tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 (couples) or $200,000 (single)
No. 48: Close the "doughnut hole" in Medicare prescription drug plan
No. 51: Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions
No. 53: Give tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums
No. 55: Require large employers to contribute to a national health plan
No. 56: Require children to have health insurance coverage
No. 57: Expand eligibility for Medicaid
No. 58: Expand eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP)
No. 63: Require health plans to disclose how much of the premium goes to patient care
No. 65: Establish an independent health institute to provide accurate and objective information
No. 69: In non-competitive markets, force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums for patient care
No. 70: Eliminate the higher subsidies to Medicare Advantage plans
No. 93: Reinstate executive order to hire an additional 100,000 federal employees with disabilities within five years.
No. 105: Increase the Veterans Administration budget to recruit and retain more mental health
No. 109: Fully fund the Veterans Administration
No. 113: Expand the Veterans Administration's number of "centers of excellence" in specialty care
No. 121: Fully fund the Violence Against Women Act
No. 125: Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq
No. ...


You do understand that most of those policies are conservative, or are so blatantly popular that it would not have required any real effort to do?

Expanding people's access to credit is not the same as increasing their power to pay for that credit. Instead, it's the same dumbass trap that's already ruined the economy.

It's disingenuous to mention the extension of lower and middle class tax cuts without also mentioning the extension of upper class tax cuts, especially considering those tax cuts were only supported by 22 percent of the population.

The entire ACA is a conservative plan written over a decade ago by people like Romney, whose idea of "universal health care" is to make goddamn sure that we all have to pay a private company for that privilege. That is not a progressive option, it's a dead idea stolen from the GOP who repudiated it only as it served to increase their own campaign donations. They're going to do it again this year and the DNC is going to fail to tie it them like a dead weight and throw them in the harbor.

Why? Because they need money to.

The nuclear threat? A Reagan policy. Also, sort of moot since the issue now is containment of loose Soviet weapons and insuring that our own aging arsenal doesn't shoot itself off due to software bugs.

Repeal DADT? That's great. Now even gay people can openly die for American hegemony and the oil companies.

I could go on, but it's rather boring.

The problem is that a lot of you apparently grew up and became politicized either in the late Clinton years or somewhere between 9/11 and the second Bush inauguration. Worse, many of you probably became politicized in 2008 in order to get Obama elected. And, just like the GOP, you lack any historical context to make the arguments you want to make. You just don't understand how far to the right the country has lurched, or what has caused that lurch.

This is no longer a case of the pendulum of American public opinion swinging back and forth between two moderate opinions. The entire farking clock was picked up and moved into a different time zone. No longer is the choice between "left" and "right", it's simply between "right" and "farking stupid".

There are plenty of models of progressive action taken at local levels that have had better returns on people's lives than whether or not gays are in the military, or Gitmo is open, or even if we're drone bombing the fark out of wedding parties.

But, hey, it's your party kids. Go ahead and help the old farkers blow the whole thing to hell.
 
2012-07-08 03:45:02 PM  

THX 1138: Y'know, if I went to my job and constantly prevented those who wanted to get actual work done from doing so, and just generally acted stubborn to hamper all progress from occurring, I'd probably lose my job before contract renewal time. At the very least, I'd definitely have my pay withheld. These are public employees who serve at the pleasure of their employers - the public. It's frustrating that the same consequences don't apply.


You know what's REALLY twisted? many of these obstuctionists were elected for the sole purpose of obstructing the scarey black man's agenda. Voters in those districts WANT them to do nothing or jam up the works.
 
2012-07-08 03:48:26 PM  

mat catastrophe: You mean how Democrats shiat themselves everytime the GOP said "Filibuster" instead of standing up, saying "Bring it, fat farks," and at least going down with a fight instead of capitulating and either watering down the legislation or abandoning it completely.

Either way, they folded up and the "liberal" option lost. Why pretend that they even tried? They didn't. They gave up every single time.


Yes, a perpetual 60 votes to pass the smallest bill is easy to overcome. The Republicans didn't have to do a damn thing because the filibuster is impossible to overcome if you don't have the votes. What exactly were the Dems supposed to do?
 
2012-07-08 03:54:06 PM  

Sabyen91: mat catastrophe: You mean how Democrats shiat themselves everytime the GOP said "Filibuster" instead of standing up, saying "Bring it, fat farks," and at least going down with a fight instead of capitulating and either watering down the legislation or abandoning it completely.

Either way, they folded up and the "liberal" option lost. Why pretend that they even tried? They didn't. They gave up every single time.

Yes, a perpetual 60 votes to pass the smallest bill is easy to overcome. The Republicans didn't have to do a damn thing because the filibuster is impossible to overcome if you don't have the votes. What exactly were the Dems supposed to do?


Force them to do the filibuster. Show them out as the obstructionists. Cut loose the Blue Dogs. Embrace the members of the GOP who were uneasy about the Tea Party. I don't know, actually do politics instead of capitulation.

Instead, they just decided the Clinton road was better. "Well, I didn't want to sign the repeal of Glass-Steagall but they would have vetoed it, so I caved."

Well, guess what? Having your veto overturned or your legislation die through a filibuster says a lot more than just saying, "OK, have it your way."
 
2012-07-08 04:00:00 PM  

mat catastrophe: Sabyen91: mat catastrophe: You mean how Democrats shiat themselves everytime the GOP said "Filibuster" instead of standing up, saying "Bring it, fat farks," and at least going down with a fight instead of capitulating and either watering down the legislation or abandoning it completely.

Either way, they folded up and the "liberal" option lost. Why pretend that they even tried? They didn't. They gave up every single time.

Yes, a perpetual 60 votes to pass the smallest bill is easy to overcome. The Republicans didn't have to do a damn thing because the filibuster is impossible to overcome if you don't have the votes. What exactly were the Dems supposed to do?

Force them to do the filibuster. Show them out as the obstructionists. Cut loose the Blue Dogs. Embrace the members of the GOP who were uneasy about the Tea Party. I don't know, actually do politics instead of capitulation.

Instead, they just decided the Clinton road was better. "Well, I didn't want to sign the repeal of Glass-Steagall but they would have vetoed it, so I caved."

Well, guess what? Having your veto overturned or your legislation die through a filibuster says a lot more than just saying, "OK, have it your way."


What do you think forcing them to filibuster would look like? You are not under the impression it is like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, are you? They DID filibuster. They didn't just threaten it. But nobody notices it is an actual filibuster because Senators don't actually read from the Dictionary for days on end.
 
2012-07-08 04:08:01 PM  

Sabyen91: mat catastrophe: Sabyen91: mat catastrophe: You mean how Democrats shiat themselves everytime the GOP said "Filibuster" instead of standing up, saying "Bring it, fat farks," and at least going down with a fight instead of capitulating and either watering down the legislation or abandoning it completely.

Either way, they folded up and the "liberal" option lost. Why pretend that they even tried? They didn't. They gave up every single time.

Yes, a perpetual 60 votes to pass the smallest bill is easy to overcome. The Republicans didn't have to do a damn thing because the filibuster is impossible to overcome if you don't have the votes. What exactly were the Dems supposed to do?

Force them to do the filibuster. Show them out as the obstructionists. Cut loose the Blue Dogs. Embrace the members of the GOP who were uneasy about the Tea Party. I don't know, actually do politics instead of capitulation.

Instead, they just decided the Clinton road was better. "Well, I didn't want to sign the repeal of Glass-Steagall but they would have vetoed it, so I caved."

Well, guess what? Having your veto overturned or your legislation die through a filibuster says a lot more than just saying, "OK, have it your way."

What do you think forcing them to filibuster would look like? You are not under the impression it is like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, are you? They DID filibuster. They didn't just threaten it. But nobody notices it is an actual filibuster because Senators don't actually read from the Dictionary for days on end.


Well, then, they clearly aren't doing a good job of pointing that out. I just had to go look it up.

Again, you can't just shout "obstructionist" without painting that picture plainly for most people (apparently that includes me on this one).

But again, if you're going to insist that the gridlock at the national level is the only place where it matters what's going on, you're letting them ruin the rest of the country right under your nose. Go back to what was said about Kansas. Consider the fact that this nation used to have open socialists sitting on town councils less than 100 years ago.

Which would you really prefer? To show the rest of the country how progressive political action can transform towns and cities and watch as that catches on and spreads or would you rather continue spinning your wheels on a system that has settled comfortably into lethargy and a daze of fundraising inanity?
 
2012-07-08 04:12:35 PM  

mat catastrophe: Sabyen91: mat catastrophe: Sabyen91: mat catastrophe: You mean how Democrats shiat themselves everytime the GOP said "Filibuster" instead of standing up, saying "Bring it, fat farks," and at least going down with a fight instead of capitulating and either watering down the legislation or abandoning it completely.

Either way, they folded up and the "liberal" option lost. Why pretend that they even tried? They didn't. They gave up every single time.

Yes, a perpetual 60 votes to pass the smallest bill is easy to overcome. The Republicans didn't have to do a damn thing because the filibuster is impossible to overcome if you don't have the votes. What exactly were the Dems supposed to do?

Force them to do the filibuster. Show them out as the obstructionists. Cut loose the Blue Dogs. Embrace the members of the GOP who were uneasy about the Tea Party. I don't know, actually do politics instead of capitulation.

Instead, they just decided the Clinton road was better. "Well, I didn't want to sign the repeal of Glass-Steagall but they would have vetoed it, so I caved."

Well, guess what? Having your veto overturned or your legislation die through a filibuster says a lot more than just saying, "OK, have it your way."

What do you think forcing them to filibuster would look like? You are not under the impression it is like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, are you? They DID filibuster. They didn't just threaten it. But nobody notices it is an actual filibuster because Senators don't actually read from the Dictionary for days on end.

Well, then, they clearly aren't doing a good job of pointing that out. I just had to go look it up.

Again, you can't just shout "obstructionist" without painting that picture plainly for most people (apparently that includes me on this one).

But again, if you're going to insist that the gridlock at the national level is the only place where it matters what's going on, you're letting them ruin the rest of the country right under your nose. Go ...


I fully agree with you about being active in local and state politics. I just took issue with both sides are bad on the national level when the Dems have gotten an incredible amount done considering the historic obstructionism.

/Don't feel bad. Steny Hoyer was under the impression Reid could make the Republicans talk during filibusters as well. He was wrong.
 
2012-07-08 04:17:23 PM  

Sabyen91:
I fully agree with you about being active in local and state politics. I just took issue with both sides are bad on the national level when the Dems have gotten an incredible amount done considering the historic obstructionism.

/Don't feel bad. Steny Hoyer was under the impression Reid could make the Republicans talk during filibusters as well. He was wrong.


I was trying really hard not to insinuate both sides were bad, merely that they are locked into a system that seemingly is far more interested in fundraising than in any sort of work and that both the real damage to America, as well as the best hope for changing it, is local.

So I guess we're more or less on the same page. At the end of the day, I'd take the person who is at least holding down the brake pedals a little bit (Obama) over the idiot looking for a brick to put on the gas pedal (Rmoney).
 
2012-07-08 04:19:22 PM  

TimonC346: Yes, Democrats vs Republicans, the incompetent vs. the retards. It is sad--Republicans are lock step little nazis, they follow their leader and do as their told. The Demcrats are incompetent at pushing any agenda, either because they are willing to negotiate or because there are actual levels of moderation in their party.

/so vote Republican, at least our direction will be clear
//American Taliban, here we come


If it means Ann Coulter has to wear a burka and shut up then maybe it won't be so bad after all.
 
2012-07-08 04:21:07 PM  

mat catastrophe: Sabyen91:
I fully agree with you about being active in local and state politics. I just took issue with both sides are bad on the national level when the Dems have gotten an incredible amount done considering the historic obstructionism.

/Don't feel bad. Steny Hoyer was under the impression Reid could make the Republicans talk during filibusters as well. He was wrong.

I was trying really hard not to insinuate both sides were bad, merely that they are locked into a system that seemingly is far more interested in fundraising than in any sort of work and that both the real damage to America, as well as the best hope for changing it, is local.

So I guess we're more or less on the same page. At the end of the day, I'd take the person who is at least holding down the brake pedals a little bit (Obama) over the idiot looking for a brick to put on the gas pedal (Rmoney).


I think as long as the filibuster is the way it is there is going to be gridlock. It is too easy. I don't like the idea of scrapping it fully and letting the majority run rough-shod but filibustering should be something that you have to sacrifice for. Filibustering every little damn thing is certainly ruining the Senate.
 
2012-07-08 04:35:09 PM  

too-old: mat catastrophe: In 2010, they rolled over and let the Tea Party run rampant over them. Why? Because they had bumfark zilch to show for progress in the previous two years. The independents and leftys that supported Obama in 08 stayed home. And both sides still raked in the cash.

Yes, Obama did nothing

A SAMPLE OF CAMPAIGN PROMISES KEPT BY PRESIDENT OBAMA:

list


Link please? I'll bookmark it for when the teabagger uncle goes through his next "Obama hasn't done anything and is nothing more than an affirmative-action hire" phase (but don't call him racist). It should be right after he finishes the "Obama's a maniacal madman hell-bent on destroying America, and everything good in the world, and he'll succeed because of people like you" phase that he's currently in.
 
2012-07-08 04:59:18 PM  

mat catastrophe: t's disingenuous to mention the extension of lower and middle class tax cuts without also mentioning the extension of upper class tax cuts, especially considering those tax cuts were only supported by 22 percent of the population.


It's disingenuous to mention the extension of upper class tax cuts without also mentioning the fact that the GOP held all other electoral business hostage to make sure those upper class cuts stayed in place.

Kinda like that "Obama didn't close Gitmo" thing that neglects the fact that NIMBY Dems and the entirety of the GOP in Congress cockblocked his attempts by refusing to fund them.

I swear sometimes the Fark Politics tab needs a zombie Paul Harvey who shuffles around from thread to thread and fills in the background for those and other similar sins of omission and always ending his posts by saying "and now you know the rest of the story".
 
2012-07-08 05:12:11 PM  

mat catastrophe: I was trying really hard not to insinuate both sides were bad, merely that they are locked into a system that seemingly is far more interested in fundraising than in any sort of work and that both the real damage to America, as well as the best hope for changing it, is local.


This is a true and interesting point which doesn't get enough attention. However to fully understand it may I recommend this episode of This American Life? 'Take The Money And Run For Office' (pops)
 
2012-07-08 06:48:20 PM  
i learned that mat catastrophe is smarter than everybody.

glad i got that figured out.
 
2012-07-08 07:22:25 PM  

ginandbacon: Aigoo: public office was never intended to be a lifelong career according to the men who founded this country - it was meant to be a period of service and then folks were meant to go back to their regular jobs as private citizens

Right. When there were what, 2 million people living here and only the (male) landowners could vote? By all means yes! Let's go back to that system!!!


it would be better than the entrenched special interest serving farkheads we have in there now.
 
2012-07-08 07:59:55 PM  

rogue49: Not really a bunch of road-runners or Speedy Gonzoles.


Wait, you're saying we should hire Mexicans to run Congress?
 
2012-07-08 09:01:45 PM  
Just got my 401k statement this week.
Fark you GOP, fark you hard.
 
2012-07-08 09:05:08 PM  
You mean the "do-nothing" SENATE.
 
2012-07-08 09:50:43 PM  

tony41454: You mean the "do-nothing" SENATE.


You really need to join these threads a few hours earlier if you want to be RELEVANT at all.
 
2012-07-08 10:06:56 PM  

Mrtraveler01: tony41454: You mean the "do-nothing" SENATE.

You really need to join these threads a few hours earlier if you want to be RELEVANT at all.


Tone Malone doesn't want to be relevant. He wants to come in with a resounding "NO U!!!!!" as his pathetic attempt at getting the last word.
 
2012-07-08 10:15:17 PM  
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.
But I repeat myself."

Welcome, all, to the fruition of the dysfunctional duopoly, peopled by two peas in the same greedy pod, standing firm in their ideological opposition while raking in the campaign and wink-nod-lobbyist cash.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but didn't some psychological study profile the ideal political personality as a sociopath and a narcissist? Now there's a recipe for altuistic service to your country and constituents.

I farking laugh out loud every time one of these yay-hoos bloviate about how they'll fight for me. Well, then, strap on the gloves, Chris, and step into the Thunderdome. You want campaign cash? We'll make it pay-per-view.

/Simply.Farking. Disgusted. With. The. Whole. Deal.
 
2012-07-08 10:37:27 PM  
This is the way it works:
People elect their representatives.

Get involved.
 
2012-07-08 11:04:41 PM  
Truman really had them nailed cold, didn't he?

/Sees what you did there, subby.
//Bravo.
 
2012-07-09 04:10:13 AM  
So the republicans in the house will pass bill they know will never make it out of the democrat controlled senate? and kills any senate bills they get unless they would be a huge negative to do so in public opinion.
 
2012-07-09 09:35:58 AM  
I don't think they're a "do" nothing Congress. That's selling these devious farkers short. Like WAAAAY short.

They're "KNOW" nothings, subs. They're proud of their ignorance, they celebrate their intolerance and they encourage resistance to everything not similarly ignorant and intolerant.
 
2012-07-09 11:28:05 AM  

randomjsa: House Republicans pass bills and legislation that is killed off in the Senate.

Liberals: "omg do nothing congress!'


If we're supposed to be painting the walls and I keep flinging poo at it instead, the other painters are right to try to block the poo from sticking.

H of Reps is filled with poo flingers.
 
2012-07-09 11:42:32 AM  

Dr Dreidel: I don't think they're a "do" nothing Congress. That's selling these devious farkers short. Like WAAAAY short.

They're "KNOW" nothings, subs. They're proud of their ignorance, they celebrate their intolerance and they encourage resistance to everything not similarly ignorant and intolerant.


My dear Ashkenaz hermano, let me google "Do Nothing Congress" for you.

You're welcome.
 
2012-07-09 12:41:23 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dr Dreidel: I don't think they're a "do" nothing Congress. That's selling these devious farkers short. Like WAAAAY short.

They're "KNOW" nothings, subs. They're proud of their ignorance, they celebrate their intolerance and they encourage resistance to everything not similarly ignorant and intolerant.

My dear Ashkenaz hermano, let me google "Do Nothing Congress" for you.

You're welcome.


Truman's appellation was apt, as is "Know Nothing". A Know Nothing Party in a Do Nothing Congress. Gear-grinders, you have your wish - is it everything you wanted?
 
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