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2012-07-08 08:33:22 AM  
I'll just leave this right here:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Source

/headline tells you all you need to know about the problem
//how many paid breaks & vacations do these people take per year, anyway
///public office was never intended to be a lifelong career according to the men who founded this country - it was meant to be a period of service and then folks were meant to go back to their regular jobs as private citizens
 
2012-07-08 10:22:12 AM  

Aigoo: public office was never intended to be a lifelong career according to the men who founded this country - it was meant to be a period of service and then folks were meant to go back to their regular jobs as private citizens


Right. When there were what, 2 million people living here and only the (male) landowners could vote? By all means yes! Let's go back to that system!!!
 
2012-07-08 10:51:31 AM  
Looking back on some of the shiat that has been heaped on us in the past decade or so "for our own good" I'm ok with a do nothing Congress.
 
2012-07-08 10:57:54 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Looking back on some of the shiat that has been heaped on us in the past decade or so "for our own good" I'm ok with a do nothing Congress.


Of course you are. You're a complete tool.
 
2012-07-08 12:05:17 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Looking back on some of the shiat that has been heaped on us in the past decade or so "for our own good" I'm ok with a do nothing Congress.


But...but...how will we cut funding for NPR and Planned Parenthood?!?!?!
 
2012-07-08 12:08:45 PM  
Y'know, if I went to my job and constantly prevented those who wanted to get actual work done from doing so, and just generally acted stubborn to hamper all progress from occurring, I'd probably lose my job before contract renewal time. At the very least, I'd definitely have my pay withheld. These are public employees who serve at the pleasure of their employers - the public. It's frustrating that the same consequences don't apply.
 
2012-07-08 12:08:47 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Looking back on some of the shiat that has been heaped on us in the past decade or so "for our own good" I'm ok with a do nothing Congress.


Totally. I mean, it's not like we have any important federal issues facing us that need to be worked out.
 
2012-07-08 12:09:12 PM  
The last thing DC needs right now is more hot air. The airplanes are sinking into the tarmac already.
 
2012-07-08 12:10:42 PM  
"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session."
 
2012-07-08 12:11:02 PM  
Another item on the Republican to-do list for July is a measure to extend all of the tax cuts due to expire at the end of the year, including the reductions on wealthier income earners, which Obama and most Democrats want to let lapse.

So the class of 2010, the guys who were ostensibly serious about tackling the deficit (there's a larf) as a last act of Fark You to America before the election are gonna try to give their big money backers a big ole sloppy Beej in the form of further unwarranted tax cut time?

My surprised face. Let me show it to you. :>I

What are the Dems gonna try?

They... want to end existing tax breaks for the costs businesses incur in moving jobs overseas. This measure dovetails nicely with Obama's attempts to cast Romney as a champion outsourcer of jobs during his career as a businessman.

Noice!
 
2012-07-08 12:11:28 PM  
Congress did a lot of things. It just didn't pass many laws.
 
2012-07-08 12:11:56 PM  
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2012-07-08 12:14:10 PM  
Look, it's the final 88 seconds of the second quarter, no one wants to knock themselves out jockeying for a slam dunk when they could just run the clock out and batter up with a fresh puck drop next period.
 
2012-07-08 12:25:38 PM  

quatchi: What are the Dems gonna try?

They... want to end existing tax breaks for the costs businesses incur in moving jobs overseas. This measure dovetails nicely with Obama's attempts to cast Romney as a champion outsourcer of jobs during his career as a businessman.

Noice!


Well, you know THAT will get filibustered.
 
2012-07-08 12:29:05 PM  

StopLurkListen: Look, it's the final 88 seconds of the second quarter, no one wants to knock themselves out jockeying for a slam dunk when they could just run the clock out and batter up with a fresh puck drop next period.


except that the odds are increasingly stacked against that fresh puck and we're gonna have to listen to them try to run out the clock again anyway.

/liked your mixed metaphors
 
2012-07-08 12:32:41 PM  
Yes, Democrats vs Republicans, the incompetent vs. the retards. It is sad--Republicans are lock step little nazis, they follow their leader and do as their told. The Demcrats are incompetent at pushing any agenda, either because they are willing to negotiate or because there are actual levels of moderation in their party.

/so vote Republican, at least our direction will be clear
//American Taliban, here we come
 
2012-07-08 12:32:43 PM  

StopLurkListen: Look, it's the final 88 seconds of the second quarter, no one wants to knock themselves out jockeying for a slam dunk when they could just run the clock out and batter up with a fresh puck drop next period.


Checkmate
 
2012-07-08 12:35:15 PM  
Good. The less they do, the better off we are.
 
2012-07-08 12:42:13 PM  

THX 1138: Y'know, if I went to my job and constantly prevented those who wanted to get actual work done from doing so, and just generally acted stubborn to hamper all progress from occurring, I'd probably lose my job before contract renewal time. At the very least, I'd definitely have my pay withheld. These are public employees who serve at the pleasure of their employers - the public. It's frustrating that the same consequences don't apply.


It's way worse than just being a stubborn obstructionist. They spread vicious lies about their coworkers, create a hostile work environment as retribution for anyone that doesn't always agree with them, say thinly-veiled racist remarks via dogwhistles, make outright sexist remarks, and come right out and state that their sole purpose it to stop the new executive board from being successful no matter what the damage done to the company.

Any other line of work those people are gone quickly. Unfortunately, in politics the boss is often the general voting public, who are just as petty and spiteful, so this behavior is rewarded with another term.
 
2012-07-08 12:53:30 PM  
That sounds like a terrible Veggietales movie.
 
2012-07-08 12:53:37 PM  

TimonC346: Yes, Democrats vs Republicans, the incompetent vs. the retards.


After the Bush years, anyone who says the Republicans are competent is a fool or a partisan.
 
2012-07-08 12:54:30 PM  

Aigoo: I'll just leave this right here:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Source

/headline tells you all you need to know about the problem
//how many paid breaks & vacations do these people take per year, anyway
///public office was never intended to be a lifelong career according to the men who founded this country - it was meant to be a period of service and then folks were meant to go back to their regular jobs as private citizens


OK, so here's the plan. During the next State of the Union Address -- and I don't care if it's Obummer or Romney. We have all of Congress, the Cabinet, Supreme Court, the Prez and Veep all located in the same building, it's a shame if we can't take advantage of this chance. While the Prez is giving his long winded speech promising everything he will not be able to deliver, we send some people over to the capitol. Their job will be to lock all the doors, install bars on the windows and post a sign proclaiming this is now a federal prison. These people will no begin their new jobs as prison guards.
 
2012-07-08 12:54:36 PM  

Sabyen91: Well, you know THAT will get filibustered.


I'm cool with that as long as the Dems make the corrupt shiat-stains actually filibuster.

Make them stand up there under a spotlight with all eyes on them as they try to defend their indefensible derp until it becomes obvious to everyone but completely unrepentant, die hard partisan hacks that not only do the GOP not have any viable, credible solutions to any of the many challenges America currently faces but that they and their one sided policies are, in fact, a large part of the problem.

I'd be okay with that.
 
2012-07-08 12:55:39 PM  

ciderczar: That sounds like a terrible Veggietales movie.


But you repeat yourself.
 
2012-07-08 01:07:06 PM  

quatchi: Sabyen91: Well, you know THAT will get filibustered.

I'm cool with that as long as the Dems make the corrupt shiat-stains actually filibuster.

Make them stand up there under a spotlight with all eyes on them as they try to defend their indefensible derp until it becomes obvious to everyone but completely unrepentant, die hard partisan hacks that not only do the GOP not have any viable, credible solutions to any of the many challenges America currently faces but that they and their one sided policies are, in fact, a large part of the problem.

I'd be okay with that.


The Dems had a bill in 2010 that had more teeth. The Republicans filibustered. Nobody remembers it. Nobody remembered it for the 2010 election and it was little more than a month after they shot it down.
 
2012-07-08 01:09:12 PM  

Sabyen91: quatchi: Sabyen91: Well, you know THAT will get filibustered.

I'm cool with that as long as the Dems make the corrupt shiat-stains actually filibuster.

Make them stand up there under a spotlight with all eyes on them as they try to defend their indefensible derp until it becomes obvious to everyone but completely unrepentant, die hard partisan hacks that not only do the GOP not have any viable, credible solutions to any of the many challenges America currently faces but that they and their one sided policies are, in fact, a large part of the problem.

I'd be okay with that.

The Dems had a bill in 2010 that had more teeth. The Republicans filibustered. Nobody remembers it. Nobody remembered it for the 2010 election and it was little more than a month after they shot it down.


What? Republicans would NEVER even THREATEN a filibuster. At no point did they EVER lock up Congress with procedural maneuvers. That's why Obama shouldn't complain; he had a rubber stamp for two years; it's not like he was weighed down by a Republican delegation hell-bent on making sure NOTHING happened.
 
2012-07-08 01:13:46 PM  

gimmegimme: Sabyen91: quatchi: Sabyen91: Well, you know THAT will get filibustered.

I'm cool with that as long as the Dems make the corrupt shiat-stains actually filibuster.

Make them stand up there under a spotlight with all eyes on them as they try to defend their indefensible derp until it becomes obvious to everyone but completely unrepentant, die hard partisan hacks that not only do the GOP not have any viable, credible solutions to any of the many challenges America currently faces but that they and their one sided policies are, in fact, a large part of the problem.

I'd be okay with that.

The Dems had a bill in 2010 that had more teeth. The Republicans filibustered. Nobody remembers it. Nobody remembered it for the 2010 election and it was little more than a month after they shot it down.

What? Republicans would NEVER even THREATEN a filibuster. At no point did they EVER lock up Congress with procedural maneuvers. That's why Obama shouldn't complain; he had a rubber stamp for two years; it's not like he was weighed down by a Republican delegation hell-bent on making sure NOTHING happened.


Careful, now. This is the politics tab. Someone might think you're actually serious.
 
2012-07-08 01:15:02 PM  

Aigoo: ///public office was never intended to be a lifelong career according to the men who founded this country - it was meant to be a period of service and then folks were meant to go back to their regular jobs as private citizens


Except that it wasn't.

The whole English notion of 'holding an office' descends from the monarchic institution of "court". You could be presented at court when you were of age, and were qualified either by birth or grant. It's not like some Geordie farmer was picked by his villagers to walk down to london and help them sort things out. Members at court (courtiers) were in public life.

This is a new version of the "term limits" crap that republicans were spouting twenty years ago. We have term limits : They're called elections. This is the john birch bunch using this to remind members of their own party that they are on a short leash and should bow and scrape to the powerbrokers who are pulling the puppet strings of talk radio and PACs

People who are effective at governance deserve to continue to practice their craft. People who are not do not. This is what elections are about, and I hope to God the Implacable, useless, Right Wing gets tossed out of the house. To compromise in lawmaking is not to be compromised as a person.
 
2012-07-08 01:20:02 PM  

gimmegimme: Sabyen91: quatchi: Sabyen91: Well, you know THAT will get filibustered.

I'm cool with that as long as the Dems make the corrupt shiat-stains actually filibuster.

Make them stand up there under a spotlight with all eyes on them as they try to defend their indefensible derp until it becomes obvious to everyone but completely unrepentant, die hard partisan hacks that not only do the GOP not have any viable, credible solutions to any of the many challenges America currently faces but that they and their one sided policies are, in fact, a large part of the problem.

I'd be okay with that.

The Dems had a bill in 2010 that had more teeth. The Republicans filibustered. Nobody remembers it. Nobody remembered it for the 2010 election and it was little more than a month after they shot it down.

What? Republicans would NEVER even THREATEN a filibuster. At no point did they EVER lock up Congress with procedural maneuvers. That's why Obama shouldn't complain; he had a rubber stamp for two years; it's not like he was weighed down by a Republican delegation hell-bent on making sure NOTHING happened.


I know. These pr0bama people are so delusional.
 
2012-07-08 01:22:28 PM  

quatchi: I'm cool with that as long as the Dems make the corrupt shiat-stains actually filibuster.

Make them stand up there under a spotlight with all eyes on them as they try to defend their indefensible derp until it becomes obvious to everyone but completely unrepentant, die hard partisan hacks that not only do the GOP not have any viable, credible solutions to any of the many challenges America currently faces but that they and their one sided policies are, in fact, a large part of the problem.


Make them how?

The filibuster you're thinking of hasn't existed for decades. Standing on the floor and reading from the phone book is entirely optional. All that's necessary for a filibuster is for one person to hang around and object to any motions as needed.
 
2012-07-08 01:23:35 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: THX 1138: Y'know, if I went to my job and constantly prevented those who wanted to get actual work done from doing so, and just generally acted stubborn to hamper all progress from occurring, I'd probably lose my job before contract renewal time. At the very least, I'd definitely have my pay withheld. These are public employees who serve at the pleasure of their employers - the public. It's frustrating that the same consequences don't apply.

It's way worse than just being a stubborn obstructionist. They spread vicious lies about their coworkers, create a hostile work environment as retribution for anyone that doesn't always agree with them, say thinly-veiled racist remarks via dogwhistles, make outright sexist remarks, and come right out and state that their sole purpose it to stop the new executive board from being successful no matter what the damage done to the company.

Any other line of work those people are gone quickly.


Really? In my experience these guys tend to be the bosses.
 
2012-07-08 01:29:44 PM  

Aexia: The filibuster you're thinking of hasn't existed for decades. Standing on the floor and reading from the phone book is entirely optional. All that's necessary for a filibuster is for one person to hang around and object to any motions as needed.


I realize the Mr Smith Goes to Washington version of the filibuster is a pipedream, I'm just saying this "Let the GOP use the threat of a filibuster to achieve the same results as an actual filibuster" thing doesn't seem to be a very effective strategy.

If nothing is gonna get done anyways may as well underscore the "Party of Hope versus Party of Nope" thing prior to November.
 
2012-07-08 01:30:02 PM  
House Republicans pass bills and legislation that is killed off in the Senate.

Liberals: "omg do nothing congress!'
 
2012-07-08 01:31:55 PM  

randomjsa: House Republicans pass bills and legislation that is killed off in the Senate.

Liberals: "omg do nothing congress!'


Yes, the Liberals in the Senate should just ruberstamp every dumbass plan the paint eaters in the GOP House conjure up amiright?
 
2012-07-08 01:32:41 PM  

quatchi: Aexia: The filibuster you're thinking of hasn't existed for decades. Standing on the floor and reading from the phone book is entirely optional. All that's necessary for a filibuster is for one person to hang around and object to any motions as needed.

I realize the Mr Smith Goes to Washington version of the filibuster is a pipedream, I'm just saying this "Let the GOP use the threat of a filibuster to achieve the same results as an actual filibuster" thing doesn't seem to be a very effective strategy.

If nothing is gonna get done anyways may as well underscore the "Party of Hope versus Party of Nope" thing prior to November.


I was looking around the internet, trying to find out when the talking filibuster went by the wayside. It was either the early 70's or the late 1800's (pretty sure that racist Strom Thurmond was just attention whoring).

Anyway, I ran across something I didn't know. The Senate got rid of secret hold last year. I can't believe I heard nothing of it.
 
2012-07-08 01:32:59 PM  

randomjsa: House Republicans pass bills and legislation that is killed off in the Senate.

Liberals: "omg do nothing congress!'


Think of it this way. Say you hire an architect and he designs you a house with no bathrooms and a rock climbing wall instead of a kitchen and no roof on your bedroom. You'd consider him a do-nothing architect, right? He hasn't proposed anything realistic or helpful.
 
2012-07-08 01:34:09 PM  

IlGreven: Really? In my experience these guys tend to be the bosses.


I've only seen that in one company that I worked for, and I didn't even stop looking for a job because I knew within the first couple hours I did not want to stay. Maybe it has something to do with the industries we're each in, but in my line of work those people get booted quick.
 
2012-07-08 01:34:12 PM  

randomjsa: House Republicans pass bills and legislation that is killed off in the Senate.

Liberals: "omg do nothing congress!'


It goes the other way also

and hence the definition of the "Do nothing Congress"
 
2012-07-08 01:38:57 PM  

quatchi: I realize the Mr Smith Goes to Washington version of the filibuster is a pipedream, I'm just saying this "Let the GOP use the threat of a filibuster to achieve the same results as an actual filibuster" thing doesn't seem to be a very effective strategy.


There's no "let" involved. The "actual filibuster" you're thinking of does. not. exist.
 
2012-07-08 01:40:25 PM  
The only solution to an incompetent congress is to get more teabagers in there. You know, the kind that hates the government.
Scorched earth policy.
 
2012-07-08 01:40:30 PM  

randomjsa: House Republicans pass bills and legislation that is killed off in the Senate.

Liberals: "omg do nothing congress!'


Case in point: the budget.
 
2012-07-08 01:40:38 PM  
Republicans are the problem. We've known this for years.
 
2012-07-08 01:40:58 PM  
I've said this before and I'll say it again: National politics are dead. Even the notion that there are serious ideological disagreements between the two parties causing the gridlock is stupid. There have always been some differences between the two parties.

What is causing gridlock now is that the entire charade of the two parties has engendered a political-industrial complex that has caused the business of "politics" to become a Big Business. Both sides not only have corporate donors (don't be fooled, the DNC still has corporate donors) but they also make a play for tiny donations from individuals. Moveon.org sent out a non-too-subtle blackmail letter two months ago begging for people to chip in five dollars. I shudder to think what the pleas in the right wing derp-o-letters reads like.

And it's all a show. No one wants to change it, and the smarter politicos are bailing out (Olympia Snowe, et al).

If you want to do something to directly affect your life today, then get involved on the local level. Get yourself elected to your city or country government, or your school board. The right wing has been working that for forty years while also jamming up the national level political system. That's why you've got real threats to America in the form of school boards allowing the dismantling of the public education system, cities selling naming rights to corporations for public spaces, towns abandoning police and fire services, and assaults on actual religious freedom (including and especially the freedom to not be religious) by local theocrats. You can't count on the judicial system to fix all of this, as they are slow to act and not always interested in working for the best of the people.

Now, I'm sure at least one of you idiots will read this as a "both sides suck, vote Republican" argument. If you do, then fark you, you deserve every last farking thing that happens to your country in the next decade by continuing to believe in the sham that is national level politics.
 
2012-07-08 01:42:39 PM  

hinten: The only solution to an incompetent congress is to get more teabagers in there. You know, the kind that hates the government.
Scorched earth policy.


I find it's always best for an institution to be controlled by people who hate that institution and everything it was founded upon. I firmly believe the Red Sox would flourish if it were run by Yankees fans. Israel would improve its citizens' standard of living if it were ruled by Iranians.
 
2012-07-08 01:45:18 PM  

Sabyen91: Anyway, I ran across something I didn't know. The Senate got rid of secret hold last year. I can't believe I heard nothing of it.


Technically, holds are really just threats to filibuster. They're effective because it takes days to plow through Senate procedure to override the filibuster, even if you have 99 Senators in your favor.

And if one person is objecting to motions for the nomination of every single Undersecretary to the Assistant Cabinet Secretary... well, the Senate is slow enough already that they're not going to spend entire months doing nothing but nominations even if there's no doubt to the end result.

Just another way the Republican party sabotages government and then says "See! It doesn't work!"
 
2012-07-08 01:46:01 PM  

hinten: The only solution to an incompetent congress is to get more teabagers in there. You know, the kind that hates the government.
Scorched earth policy.


After all, everyone knows vegans cook the best steaks.
 
2012-07-08 01:47:05 PM  

mat catastrophe: Now, I'm sure at least one of you idiots will read this as a "both sides suck, vote Republican" argument. If you do, then fark you, you deserve every last farking thing that happens to your country in the next decade by continuing to believe in the sham that is national level politics.


BSABSVR. Seriously. With the unprecedented obstructionism by the Republicans your rant means absolutely nothing. When the Dems do attempt to do things and the Republicans stamp there feet what is there to do. The Dems have bent over backwards to compromise but the Republican idea of compromise is "Give me everything I wan't. So, no, fark you buddy.
 
2012-07-08 01:49:40 PM  

Aexia: Sabyen91: Anyway, I ran across something I didn't know. The Senate got rid of secret hold last year. I can't believe I heard nothing of it.

Technically, holds are really just threats to filibuster. They're effective because it takes days to plow through Senate procedure to override the filibuster, even if you have 99 Senators in your favor.

And if one person is objecting to motions for the nomination of every single Undersecretary to the Assistant Cabinet Secretary... well, the Senate is slow enough already that they're not going to spend entire months doing nothing but nominations even if there's no doubt to the end result.

Just another way the Republican party sabotages government and then says "See! It doesn't work!"


Except it takes unanimous consent to override a hold.
 
2012-07-08 01:55:48 PM  

Aexia: hinten: The only solution to an incompetent congress is to get more teabagers in there. You know, the kind that hates the government.
Scorched earth policy.

After all, everyone knows vegans cook the best steaks.


I'm sure we can find a teabager that is competent enough to dismantle the chair they are sitting on after voted into congress.
Or might the $600k in lobbying money they accepted in two years be an indication that they are not so different after all?
 
2012-07-08 02:00:32 PM  
"Listen guys, we're going to run on a platform of government being terrible - got it? Ok, then, when we're elected, we govern terribly. Make sense? Ok, see you all at the rally."
 
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