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(Stuff.co.nz)   The U.S. punishes New Zealand for banning nuclear warships by making it park its navy boats next to bars, restaurants, nightclubs and strip joints during a joint military exercise. "I think they are the happiest guys in RIMPAC"   (stuff.co.nz) divider line 18
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2012-07-08 10:37:33 AM
3 votes:
DRTFA, but here's what I don't understand and maybe somebody can explain this. Why does the US make such a stink if another country has nuclear weapons, but we should be allowed to keep and maintain our own?

Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy here?
2012-07-08 11:20:29 AM
2 votes:

rka: Trance750: No, I just think it's hypocritical to tell Nation A 'You can't have weapons, but we can, to make sure you bow down, lick our ass, and tell us how great it taste'

Farkers sure seem to get hung up on notions like hypocrisy when it comes to international relations.

This isn't kindergarten. Not everyone plays fair and not everyone gets the same sized juice box.


you sound like an American. or a Victorian era Brit. or a Frenchman in any era. that shiat changes when you are a little lower on the totem pole, and don't necessarily agree with how whoever is on top of that totem pole is using (or misusing, or abusing) their influence.
2012-07-08 10:54:25 AM
2 votes:

cirby: Trance750:
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If Iran would stop telling everyone that they were going to destroy Israel, and developing missiles that have just enough design range and payload hit that country, they might get a little bit more slack.

If North Korea didn't have thousands of artillery pieces pointed at the capital of South Korea, with continuous threats about raining fire on the civilian population... well, they'd still be crazy, and nobody would trust them with nukes in any situation.


did you ever think that maybe, just maybe what the media reports those countries as saying is not really 100% accurate, but is part of the sort of propaganda we accuse "the other guys" of doing? And even if it was accurate, we have both of those countries surrounded by military bases and active duty troops ready to blow them away, so maybe their comments are somewhat justified given the already threatening stance we've taken.

let me know when Iran dispatches 3 aircraft carrier battle groups to the Gulf of Mexico and announces publicly that if we don't get rid of our nuclear arsenal, they will leave all our cities about 2 feet high...
2012-07-08 10:42:57 AM
2 votes:
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2012-07-08 04:25:48 AM
2 votes:
Oh, I bet they're doing a lot of rim-packing, all right.
2012-07-08 04:32:08 PM
1 votes:

HoneyDog: Between the Kiwi and the Aussie sailors, I couldn't decide which ones were worse.


An Anecdote Illustrating Something of the Australian Character:
An Australian fellow asks his girl friend to fight, but she says she doesn't want to because she isn't feeling well.
"Whatta ya mean, not feeling well?" he says.
"You know," she says, "I've got my time of the month."
"Whatta ya mean, time of the month?" he says.
"You know," she says, "I've got my period."
"Whatta ya mean, period?" he says.
"You know," she says, "I'm bleeding down here." And she opens up her pants to show him.
"Jesus," he says, "no wonder you're bleeding! They've gone and cut your cock off!"

-P.J. O'Rourke
2012-07-08 03:45:26 PM
1 votes:

edmo: Trance750: Why does the US make such a stink if another country has nuclear weapons, but we should be allowed to keep and maintain our own?

Because we're very responsible with ours but worry other countries will go setting them off somewhere?


sure you are.. you only misplaced dozens of nukes
2012-07-08 01:38:53 PM
1 votes:
Having been stationed in Yokosuka as recently as 2007, the Japanese do allow our nuclear ships to come into port for a limited time, and they have a bunch of boats show up to take radiation readings. Our only conventional aircraft carrier, the Kittyhawk, was stationed there, but they got the Japanese government to allow a nuclear carrier to replace it, and I think in 2008 the George Washington was finally allowed to make Yokosuka its home port. So yeah, the Japanese do allow nuclear powered ships to dock, but they hold protests and monitor the radiation.
2012-07-08 01:19:59 PM
1 votes:

Click Click D'oh: If you actually read the article, I know...strange concept, there's also a US Navy Frigate docked at the same place. Sounds like Pearl just got full and that's where the overflow is docking.. and the story is just creative fiction about the US hating on NZ.


Except the US banned NZ ships from military harbours more than 30 years ago, and the ban hasn't been lifted. That part is not news.
2012-07-08 01:11:25 PM
1 votes:

lazymojo: cirby: Trance750:
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If Iran would stop telling everyone that they were going to destroy Israel, and developing missiles that have just enough design range and payload hit that country, they might get a little bit more slack.

If North Korea didn't have thousands of artillery pieces pointed at the capital of South Korea, with continuous threats about raining fire on the civilian population... well, they'd still be crazy, and nobody would trust them with nukes in any situation.

did you ever think that maybe, just maybe what the media reports those countries as saying is not really 100% accurate, but is part of the sort of propaganda we accuse "the other guys" of doing? And even if it was accurate, we have both of those countries surrounded by military bases and active duty troops ready to blow them away, so maybe their comments are somewhat justified given the already threatening stance we've taken.

let me know when Iran dispatches 3 aircraft carrier battle groups to the Gulf of Mexico and announces publicly that if we don't get rid of our nuclear arsenal, they will leave all our cities about 2 feet high...


So direct video feeds is not acurate reporting?

The video statements their leaders make publicly are taken out of context?

Sounds familiar....
2012-07-08 12:34:07 PM
1 votes:
The Kiwis have the single greatest navy on the planet.

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Admiral Bender says so.
2012-07-08 11:17:58 AM
1 votes:

lazymojo: madgonad: lazymojo: cirby: Trance750:
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If Iran would stop telling everyone that they were going to destroy Israel, and developing missiles that have just enough design range and payload hit that country, they might get a little bit more slack.

If North Korea didn't have thousands of artillery pieces pointed at the capital of South Korea, with continuous threats about raining fire on the civilian population... well, they'd still be crazy, and nobody would trust them with nukes in any situation.

did you ever think that maybe, just maybe what the media reports those countries as saying is not really 100% accurate, but is part of the sort of propaganda we accuse "the other guys" of doing? And even if it was accurate, we have both of those countries surrounded by military bases and active duty troops ready to blow them away, so maybe their comments are somewhat justified given the already threatening stance we've taken.

let me know when Iran dispatches 3 aircraft carrier battle groups to the Gulf of Mexico and announces publicly that if we don't get rid of our nuclear arsenal, they will leave all our cities about 2 feet high...

I'm pretty sure you are full of shiat.

When the leaders of Iran or North Korea stand up in the UN and make the same radical statements that are frequently reported in the media you can pretty much write-off the idea that it is just western propaganda.

cool, man.

leaving aside all the public comments from U.S. senators and congressmen urging military action against Iran, and our own conduct before the UN, like a certain secretary of state holding up a vial of "anthrax" and threatening everyone in the room, I'm not trying to start an argument, just curious if people like you and numbnuts there ever stopped to think about this stuff objectively. I got my answer, and it was a resounding: "no."


you have a point. trance750 also had a point. only two people attempted to address the misunderstanding, while others brought in two enemy states and didn't address trance's implication about the US telling alleged *allies* what to do and when to do it.
2012-07-08 11:00:29 AM
1 votes:
FTFA: Nikol DeWoody, a bartender for Bikini Cantina received nine marriage proposals - all from New Zealand navy sailors, all on the same night.

What a bartender at the Bikini Cantina might look like:

blogs.abc.net.au
2012-07-08 10:51:46 AM
1 votes:

cirby: Trance750:
DRTFA, but here's what I don't understand and maybe somebody can explain this. Why does the US make such a stink if another country has nuclear weapons, but we should be allowed to keep and maintain our own?

Because the two countries that we've been complaining about in recent years are the same two countries who spend a lot of their time telling everyone they're going to destroy other countries if they get nukes? Not "use for defense," not "as a deterrent," but "if we had the resources, we'd erase those people from existence."

If Iran would stop telling everyone that they were going to destroy Israel, and developing missiles that have just enough design range and payload hit that country, they might get a little bit more slack.

If North Korea didn't have thousands of artillery pieces pointed at the capital of South Korea, with continuous threats about raining fire on the civilian population... well, they'd still be crazy, and nobody would trust them with nukes in any situation.


Actually, it's because NZ doesn't allow any Nuclear powered vessels in their territorial waters, which annoys the Americans as NZ is a supply base the Antarctic missions etc. Happened in the 80s when I was a kid.
2012-07-08 10:50:59 AM
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: ooh disco heaven
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2012-07-08 10:48:15 AM
1 votes:
Trance750:
DRTFA, but here's what I don't understand and maybe somebody can explain this. Why does the US make such a stink if another country has nuclear weapons, but we should be allowed to keep and maintain our own?

Because the two countries that we've been complaining about in recent years are the same two countries who spend a lot of their time telling everyone they're going to destroy other countries if they get nukes? Not "use for defense," not "as a deterrent," but "if we had the resources, we'd erase those people from existence."

If Iran would stop telling everyone that they were going to destroy Israel, and developing missiles that have just enough design range and payload hit that country, they might get a little bit more slack.

If North Korea didn't have thousands of artillery pieces pointed at the capital of South Korea, with continuous threats about raining fire on the civilian population... well, they'd still be crazy, and nobody would trust them with nukes in any situation.
2012-07-08 10:25:56 AM
1 votes:
Quote from the article "...the New Zealanders are just a short walk from shopping, restaurants, bars and the kind of night-time, personal-service entertainment long favoured by sailors."

You don't say?
2012-07-08 09:43:33 AM
1 votes:
In before the apostrophe Nazis come goose-stepping in.
 
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