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2012-07-08 01:35:52 AM
Wait, the umpire conferred with the manager and his fellow umpires in regards to a bad call instead of being a stubborn jackass and handing out ejections? Was there a full moon tonight or something?
 
2012-07-08 03:51:36 AM
My one-line answer to "why not argue the call?" was "I've never seen one overturned." So...I expect a lot more arguments now.

(Jerry Meals-isn't he the ump who called Atlanta's runner "safe" in the 19th inning last year when he was clearly out, basically breaking the Pirates' spirit and ending their season?)
 
2012-07-08 09:41:32 AM
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2012-07-08 10:05:46 AM
I makes me sad that this gets any attention. It should be much more common than it is, umpires working as a team rather than pretending they can never make a mistake.
 
2012-07-08 10:33:44 AM

dywed88: I makes me sad that this gets any attention. It should be much more common than it is, umpires working as a team rather than pretending they can never make a mistake.


I'm thinking the suspension of that umpire early in the year was a much needed wake-up call to that train of thought.
 
2012-07-08 10:39:13 AM
I'm sure all 12 tampa bay fans and the 1200 bandwagon fans let out a moan and groan.
 
2012-07-08 10:46:48 AM
I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate Sean Rodriguez for completing the 100th horribly underthrown throw to first by a Rays infielder on the year. I didn't think you or your chicken-winged compatriots Elliot Johnson and Will Rhymes had it in you, but you have accomplished the disastrously improbable.

So here's to you S-Rod, the worst starting shortstop in the major leagues not named Cliff Pennington.
 
2012-07-08 10:50:31 AM
Armando Galarraga got raped and had salt poured on his wound by Jim Joyce.

What a joke MLB umpiring is.

A JOKE.

A J-O-K-E.
 
2012-07-08 10:54:04 AM
Can't blame the first base ump at all for missing the juggle, he was screened out. Good for him to take the help.

If MLB crews actually worked together like this all the time, you might not need safe/out replay at the bases after all.
 
2012-07-08 11:03:34 AM

mc_madness: Armando Galarraga got raped and had salt poured on his wound by Jim Joyce.

What a joke MLB umpiring is.

A JOKE.

A J-O-K-E.


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I thought, if anything, that would have been the catalyst for instant replay.
 
2012-07-08 11:07:19 AM

mc_madness:

What a joke MLB umpiring is.

A JOKE.

A J-O-K-E.


Zack Greinke wasn't laughing yesterday
 
2012-07-08 11:13:23 AM
Two overturned calls in one day? Alex Rios had a 2-out third strike call overturned into a foul tip so everyone got called back onto the field.
 
2012-07-08 11:17:39 AM
I'm always amazed when people say instant replay would slow down the game. Right, because the manager coming out to have a hissy fit - which apparently works 1 in 100,000 times - for 2 minutes on a blown call is a far more efficient use of time.
 
2012-07-08 11:20:51 AM

Mr. Potatoass: Zack Greinke wasn't laughing yesterday


Christ, that's a pathetic display by the ump.
 
2012-07-08 11:27:48 AM

rcantley: Mr. Potatoass: Zack Greinke wasn't laughing yesterday

Christ, that's a pathetic display by the ump.


Now THAT'S an ump that wants face time. Like the announcers said, a batter can do that ten farking times in a row with a bat and not get ejected. And it was the first farking inning, ferchrissakes!

Hope the ump loses a paycheck for that.
 
2012-07-08 11:45:04 AM

Buzzerguy: My one-line answer to "why not argue the call?" was "I've never seen one overturned." So...I expect a lot more arguments now.

(Jerry Meals-isn't he the ump who called Atlanta's runner "safe" in the 19th inning last year when he was clearly out, basically breaking the Pirates' spirit and ending their season?)


Yeah that wasn't what broke their spirits since ended up winning the final game of that series, it was the 10 game losing streak after that series that broke their spirit. But I understand how pirates fans think that way since your star player couldn't throw out their old first baseman when they had a good team. Is Sid still hated in Pittsburgh?

Ump did what he was supposed to do here and confer to see if someone had a better view, most umps wont dispute the other ump so the credit goes to the home plate ump.
 
2012-07-08 11:58:35 AM

Mr. Potatoass: mc_madness:

What a joke MLB umpiring is.

A JOKE.

A J-O-K-E.

Zack Greinke wasn't laughing yesterday


He's starting today's game (since he only threw 4 pitches yesterday)...and the guy who ejected him is the home plate ump.
 
2012-07-08 12:20:26 PM

rcantley: Mr. Potatoass: Zack Greinke wasn't laughing yesterday

Christ, that's a pathetic display by the ump.


Especially after Braun was obviously deliberately beaned for the millionth time with no warning the game before.
 
2012-07-08 12:57:26 PM
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2012-07-08 01:00:39 PM

DeWayne Mann: He's starting today's game (since he only threw 4 pitches yesterday)...and the guy who ejected him is the home plate ump.


So it's "Slam your bat to the ground" night at Minute Maid Park for the Brewers?
 
2012-07-08 01:02:34 PM

DeWayne Mann: Mr. Potatoass: mc_madness:

What a joke MLB umpiring is.

A JOKE.

A J-O-K-E.

Zack Greinke wasn't laughing yesterday

He's starting today's game (since he only threw 4 pitches yesterday)...and the guy who ejected him is the home plate ump.


He's apparently going to start on Friday too - so he's going to start three games in a row
 
2012-07-08 01:09:39 PM
Are we absolutely sure that the home plate umpire wouldn't have given his view of the call if Acta hadn't argued? A call gets overturned after the umpires discuss the play and people are acting shocked as if they've never heard of game six of the 2004 ALCS.
 
2012-07-08 01:20:07 PM

Slow To Return: DeWayne Mann: He's starting today's game (since he only threw 4 pitches yesterday)...and the guy who ejected him is the home plate ump.

So it's "Slam your bat to the ground" night at Minute Maid Park for the Brewers?


I'm trying to figure out if Holbrook will give him a big strike zone to make up for being an idiot, or a small one because he's an idiot.

Rex_Banner: He's apparently going to start on Friday too - so he's going to start three games in a row


Yeah, just saw that he's the first guy to do that since Red Faber with the 1917 White Sox.
 
2012-07-08 01:38:37 PM

Mr. Potatoass: mc_madness:

What a joke MLB umpiring is.

A JOKE.

A J-O-K-E.

Zack Greinke wasn't laughing yesterday


Reason #57 of why MLB sucks. That ump should be sat down for 30 games without pay but instead is at the plate tonight. From the replay you can see that Greinke wasn't mad at the ump, the call looked to be right, he was mad at himself.
 
2012-07-08 01:49:08 PM

DeWayne Mann: He's starting today's game (since he only threw 4 pitches yesterday)...and the guy who ejected him is the home plate ump.


Hope his catcher "misses" a high fastball or something.... Ump obviously needs to be taken down a peg.
 
2012-07-08 02:10:21 PM

rcantley: I'm always amazed when people say instant replay would slow down the game. Right, because the manager coming out to have a hissy fit - which apparently works 1 in 100,000 times - for 2 minutes on a blown call is a far more efficient use of time.


The problem with that analysis is that the manager never expects to get the call overturned.
The argument is done for one of two reasons:
1) To keep the player from arguing, because it is far better to get your manager tossed than a player.
2) To show support and attempt to get the teams morale up.

The worry about replay taking time depends on implementation. If the number of reviews isn't strictly limited and reviews are anything near as time consuming as those in the NFL, then it will significantly extend a game. If they are few in numbers and/or quickly done then it wouldn't be an issue.

omegaminus: Are we absolutely sure that the home plate umpire wouldn't have given his view of the call if Acta hadn't argued? A call gets overturned after the umpires discuss the play and people are acting shocked as if they've never heard of game six of the 2004 ALCS.


The question isn't whether the home plate umpire would intervene, he wouldn't. It would be up to the first base umpire to request help. I believe it is just a firmly established tradition, but you do not over-rule a fellow umpire without him requesting assistance.
 
2012-07-08 04:45:34 PM
Grienke gives me that Incredible Hulk vibe. You make him angry, he might kill somebody.
 
2012-07-08 05:20:05 PM

redomega: Two overturned calls in one day? Alex Rios had a 2-out third strike call overturned into a foul tip so everyone got called back onto the field.


Actually it got overturned to a foul ball. A foul tip is a ball tipped by the batter which goes sharply and directly to the catcher and is caught. A foul tip is treated like a strike and would have had the same result.
 
2012-07-08 05:38:57 PM

steamingpile: But I understand how pirates fans think that way since your star player couldn't throw out their old first baseman when they had a good team. Is Sid still hated in Pittsburgh?



Wouldn't know; I'm a Giants fan.

/DEFINITELY not a Pirates fan today. Jeez Louise.
 
2012-07-08 06:01:14 PM
This is what umpires should be doing. There are a bunch of them, sometimes you miss a call that someone else sees. The MLB is the only league(of the big 4) that basically restricts who can call what simply because of pride. Yea, the linesman is supposed to call offsides in football, but so can any other official if they see it even though it's not their primary responsibility, and none of them get butthurt or 'bbbbbut tradition!' when it happens
 
2012-07-08 07:10:35 PM
I Liked how the manager came out, he was not yelling was not forceful did not get in the face just came out and had a little chat with the ump. If they were more like that i'm pretty sure the umps would be more open about when they fark up
 
2012-07-08 07:35:42 PM

JPINFV: redomega: Two overturned calls in one day? Alex Rios had a 2-out third strike call overturned into a foul tip so everyone got called back onto the field.

Actually it got overturned to a foul ball. A foul tip is a ball tipped by the batter which goes sharply and directly to the catcher and is caught. A foul tip is treated like a strike and would have had the same result.


Really ? That's what you focused on?
 
2012-07-08 08:28:49 PM

steamingpile: But I understand how pirates fans think that way since your star player couldn't throw out their old first baseman when they had a good team. Is Sid still hated in Pittsburgh?


Yeah, you know nothing of Pittsburgh.

Sid Bream is still well liked in Pittsburgh. He received a standing ovation when he hit a home run against the Pirates in his first game back after he was traded. I don't know anybody who ever hated Sid Bream.

Pittsburgh fans instead aren't big fans of Bonds, especially after the game when he ran to free agency without a second glance so he could play in SF. If he had made the throw, he would have had to play a few more games in a Pirates uniform first.
 
2012-07-08 09:39:00 PM
i'd like to see more collaboration on safe/out calls. umps are often screened on slides and tags and there is no good reason someone at another base can't move towards the play to help make the correct call.

the human element in baseball leads to many factual errors. why would anyone want to keep those in the game?
 
2012-07-08 09:48:39 PM

Donnchadha: steamingpile: But I understand how pirates fans think that way since your star player couldn't throw out their old first baseman when they had a good team. Is Sid still hated in Pittsburgh?

Yeah, you know nothing of Pittsburgh.

Sid Bream is still well liked in Pittsburgh. He received a standing ovation when he hit a home run against the Pirates in his first game back after he was traded. I don't know anybody who ever hated Sid Bream.

Pittsburgh fans instead aren't big fans of Bonds, especially after the game when he ran to free agency without a second glance so he could play in SF. If he had made the throw, he would have had to play a few more games in a Pirates uniform first.


I should amend something -- Bream wasn't traded, he left via free agency as well. However, it was the beginning of the end for the Pirates success. They couldn't afford to keep Bream and the Pirates fans knew it -- the fans turned on the front office for failing to keep Bream rather than hating Bream for leaving. It wasn't quite the same financial mismanagement that bankrupted the Penguins (in the "spend money now to win, without thinking of the long term consequences" line of thought), but it was close.
 
2012-07-08 11:15:06 PM

DeWayne Mann: Slow To Return: DeWayne Mann: He's starting today's game (since he only threw 4 pitches yesterday)...and the guy who ejected him is the home plate ump.

So it's "Slam your bat to the ground" night at Minute Maid Park for the Brewers?

I'm trying to figure out if Holbrook will give him a big strike zone to make up for being an idiot, or a small one because he's an idiot.

Rex_Banner: He's apparently going to start on Friday too - so he's going to start three games in a row

Yeah, just saw that he's the first guy to do that since Red Faber with the 1917 White Sox.


Wait, why did he start two games in a row before this?

/How the fark can anyone think that National League baseball is a real thing when this sort of shiat happens?
 
2012-07-08 11:21:29 PM

meanmutton: /How the fark can anyone think that National League baseball is a real thing when this sort of shiat happens?


...Ok, CTRL-F for the first mention of greinke. Watch the video. He got ejected yesterday after throwing 4 pitches.

Much like when CJ Wilson made a short start earlier in the season and started the next day, Greinke then started today's game.

Then everyone takes 4 days off. He didn't make the ASG for some reason, so he won't pitch in it. That lines him up to pitch on Friday, no problem.

3 starts in a row; nothing to do with the NL.
 
2012-07-08 11:32:31 PM

rcantley: I'm always amazed when people say instant replay would slow down the game. Right, because the manager coming out to have a hissy fit - which apparently works 1 in 100,000 times - for 2 minutes on a blown call is a far more efficient use of time.


ya know, that's a good point.
 
2012-07-08 11:44:46 PM

redomega: JPINFV: redomega: Two overturned calls in one day? Alex Rios had a 2-out third strike call overturned into a foul tip so everyone got called back onto the field.

Actually it got overturned to a foul ball. A foul tip is a ball tipped by the batter which goes sharply and directly to the catcher and is caught. A foul tip is treated like a strike and would have had the same result.

Really ? That's what you focused on?


Normally I'd let pass wrong phrases (i.e. people calling a ball that bounces out of play a "ground rule double" instead of a "2 base award." No ground rules (rules specific to that field) are involved with that), but there's a huge difference between a "foul ball" and a "foul tip."
 
2012-07-09 12:18:58 AM

Donnchadha: Sid Bream is still well liked in Pittsburgh. He received a standing ovation when he hit a home run against the Pirates in his first game back after he was traded. I don't know anybody who ever hated Sid Bream.


I am only asking because a old friend, who was born and raised in pittsburgh, used to tell stories about a lot of people held a grudge against the man they used to consider one of their own.
 
2012-07-09 09:58:26 AM

dywed88: rcantley: I'm always amazed when people say instant replay would slow down the game. Right, because the manager coming out to have a hissy fit - which apparently works 1 in 100,000 times - for 2 minutes on a blown call is a far more efficient use of time.

The problem with that analysis is that the manager never expects to get the call overturned.
The argument is done for one of two reasons:
1) To keep the player from arguing, because it is far better to get your manager tossed than a player.
2) To show support and attempt to get the teams morale up.

The worry about replay taking time depends on implementation. If the number of reviews isn't strictly limited and reviews are anything near as time consuming as those in the NFL, then it will significantly extend a game. If they are few in numbers and/or quickly done then it wouldn't be an issue.

omegaminus: Are we absolutely sure that the home plate umpire wouldn't have given his view of the call if Acta hadn't argued? A call gets overturned after the umpires discuss the play and people are acting shocked as if they've never heard of game six of the 2004 ALCS.

The question isn't whether the home plate umpire would intervene, he wouldn't. It would be up to the first base umpire to request help. I believe it is just a firmly established tradition, but you do not over-rule a fellow umpire without him requesting assistance.


Pretty much this.

It sucks, but as an umpire, you have to keep face, otherwise you will have people arguing every single call.

When I umpired Dad's Club and Little League, we had a secret hand signal arranged with our coworkers that meant "you blew the call - save face and ask for help, and I'll overrule it." Worked like a charm. In 7 years, I never had to toss anyone out of a game.
 
2012-07-09 10:29:04 AM

Orgasmatron138: dywed88: rcantley: I'm always amazed when people say instant replay would slow down the game. Right, because the manager coming out to have a hissy fit - which apparently works 1 in 100,000 times - for 2 minutes on a blown call is a far more efficient use of time.

The problem with that analysis is that the manager never expects to get the call overturned.
The argument is done for one of two reasons:
1) To keep the player from arguing, because it is far better to get your manager tossed than a player.
2) To show support and attempt to get the teams morale up.

The worry about replay taking time depends on implementation. If the number of reviews isn't strictly limited and reviews are anything near as time consuming as those in the NFL, then it will significantly extend a game. If they are few in numbers and/or quickly done then it wouldn't be an issue.

omegaminus: Are we absolutely sure that the home plate umpire wouldn't have given his view of the call if Acta hadn't argued? A call gets overturned after the umpires discuss the play and people are acting shocked as if they've never heard of game six of the 2004 ALCS.

The question isn't whether the home plate umpire would intervene, he wouldn't. It would be up to the first base umpire to request help. I believe it is just a firmly established tradition, but you do not over-rule a fellow umpire without him requesting assistance.

Pretty much this.

It sucks, but as an umpire, you have to keep face, otherwise you will have people arguing every single call.

When I umpired Dad's Club and Little League, we had a secret hand signal arranged with our coworkers that meant "you blew the call - save face and ask for help, and I'll overrule it." Worked like a charm. In 7 years, I never had to toss anyone out of a game.


From rule 9.05:

"Each umpire team should work out a simple set of signals, so the proper umpire can always right a
manifestly wrong decision when convinced he has made an error. If sure you got the play correctly, do
not be stampeded by players' appeals to "ask the other man." If not sure, ask one of your associates. Do
not carry this to extremes, be alert and get your own plays. But remember! The first requisite is to get
decisions correctly. If in doubt don't hesitate to consult your associate. Umpire dignity is important but
never as important as "being right.""
 
2012-07-09 11:10:37 AM

steamingpile: Donnchadha: Sid Bream is still well liked in Pittsburgh. He received a standing ovation when he hit a home run against the Pirates in his first game back after he was traded. I don't know anybody who ever hated Sid Bream.

I am only asking because a old friend, who was born and raised in pittsburgh, used to tell stories about a lot of people held a grudge against the man they used to consider one of their own.


I'm sure there are weird single people who hate him, Francisco Cabrera, Stan Belinda, or Mike LaValliere all because of that play. I've never met any of those people though. As a whole, the city doesn't hold a grudge against any of those people for their roles in that play -- except Bonds. Fark that guy.
 
2012-07-09 01:13:18 PM
The reason managers argue even when they know they won't get a call overturned is to get into the umpire's head, so that next time there's a close play, it will go the manager's way. This works even better if the manager gets tossed, because the umpire doesn't want to be a position to toss the coach too.
 
2012-07-09 02:59:28 PM

Donnchadha: steamingpile: Donnchadha: Sid Bream is still well liked in Pittsburgh. He received a standing ovation when he hit a home run against the Pirates in his first game back after he was traded. I don't know anybody who ever hated Sid Bream.

I am only asking because a old friend, who was born and raised in pittsburgh, used to tell stories about a lot of people held a grudge against the man they used to consider one of their own.

I'm sure there are weird single people who hate him, Francisco Cabrera, Stan Belinda, or Mike LaValliere all because of that play. I've never met any of those people though. As a whole, the city doesn't hold a grudge against any of those people for their roles in that play -- except Bonds. Fark that guy.


Well yeah but this was his entire family who live somewhere near or just outside of pittsburgh, and I am sure he got some applause when he first came back but sometimes it changes if you end up beating them a lot. When Tom Glavine left atlanta he was on everyone's shiat list since the contracts offered were so close but after the mets sucked for a few years he was cheered when he made his final few starts and now he calls some games, I guess time heals all mental wounds.
 
2012-07-09 03:36:02 PM

steamingpile: Donnchadha: steamingpile: Donnchadha: Sid Bream is still well liked in Pittsburgh. He received a standing ovation when he hit a home run against the Pirates in his first game back after he was traded. I don't know anybody who ever hated Sid Bream.

I am only asking because a old friend, who was born and raised in pittsburgh, used to tell stories about a lot of people held a grudge against the man they used to consider one of their own.

I'm sure there are weird single people who hate him, Francisco Cabrera, Stan Belinda, or Mike LaValliere all because of that play. I've never met any of those people though. As a whole, the city doesn't hold a grudge against any of those people for their roles in that play -- except Bonds. Fark that guy.

Well yeah but this was his entire family who live somewhere near or just outside of pittsburgh, and I am sure he got some applause when he first came back but sometimes it changes if you end up beating them a lot. When Tom Glavine left atlanta he was on everyone's shiat list since the contracts offered were so close but after the mets sucked for a few years he was cheered when he made his final few starts and now he calls some games, I guess time heals all mental wounds.


Bream was also never The Star. He played with Atlanta for three years (The Slide being the end of season two), then was a pinch hitter for Houston one year then retired. It wasn't like Sid came back and singlehandedly crushed the Pirates hopes and dreams, nor was he the reason that they went to the NLCS three years in a row (he was only with the team for the first of those). He was just a likable guy that the local fans appreciated, and when the team couldn't keep him they were sad to see him go. The fact that he then played a role in that play was mere coincidence -- also the fact that the Pirates haven't had a winning season since then has only elevated the status of the play beyond what it really was.
 
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