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2012-07-08 06:09:11 PM

ialdabaoth: Aikidogamer: intelligent comment below: Aikidogamer: Natives are technically foreign invaders too...crossed a land bridge. They get good and pissed when you remind them of that fact.


"Natives" were the first humans to live in the America's.

They didn't "invade" anyone's land

And I did not invade anywhere because I was born here. I mostly point the previous comment out when someone wants to play the Native card in the context of illegal immigrants because it is all stupid and pointless. If you were born here you are native to the US. Period.

Period?

What if you were born here, but your parents were illegals?


You are a citizen. Your parents are not and there should be a streamlined process to fix that. There should also be a temporary visa they can be issued so they can take care of it. If they don't within that visa they are deported with the children if there are no other options. But it should not come to that with a streamlined citizenship process.

Immigration is a cluster fark and needs to be addressed. First and foremost the process should be easy.
 
2012-07-08 06:21:05 PM

Aikidogamer: And I did not invade anywhere because I was born here. I mostly point the previous comment out when someone wants to play the Native card in the context of illegal immigrants because it is all stupid and pointless. If you were born here you are native to the US. Period.



The only stupid and pointless argument here is when people still use the word illegal and native and how only "natives" have a right to stay. You have a right to stay in America if you live in America, that's how your ancestors got here.
 
2012-07-08 06:37:38 PM

intelligent comment below: Aikidogamer: And I did not invade anywhere because I was born here. I mostly point the previous comment out when someone wants to play the Native card in the context of illegal immigrants because it is all stupid and pointless. If you were born here you are native to the US. Period.


The only stupid and pointless argument here is when people still use the word illegal and native and how only "natives" have a right to stay. You have a right to stay in America if you live in America, that's how your ancestors got here.


No my ancestors came through a legitimate port of entry and were legal. Back then it was pretty easy. Healthy? Check. Ok come on in. I ask the new immigrants to do the same. I do acknowledge the fact it is a cluster fark now with the process and rules. So the process needs to change quickly.
 
2012-07-08 07:20:30 PM

Aikidogamer: a legitimate port of entry



So basically they just showed up and were granted citizenship, must be nice to be a hypocrite.
 
2012-07-08 07:47:04 PM

intelligent comment below: Aikidogamer: a legitimate port of entry


So basically they just showed up and were granted citizenship, must be nice to be a hypocrite.


Way to cherry pick troll. As the rest of my post statedit needs to be easier like it was.

Or you can just derp derp derpitty derrrrrrrrrp.
 
2012-07-08 10:52:44 PM

intelligent comment below: Aikidogamer: a legitimate port of entry


So basically they just showed up and were granted citizenship, must be nice to be a hypocrite.


You know.....

Times change is not just a saying.

When America was expanding and needed new citizens, and was primarily a nation of immigrants, it made a lot of sense to let in everyone who hit the shore.

But lately, when the economy is shrinking, and one political party is wholly invested in paying to care for every single poor schmuck with a vote, the more people we let in the more we put on the welfare roles and the more it costs to run things.

The system of immigration hasnt changed, but the times have.

We have every right to be picky about who gets citizenship. We have every right to secure our borders. The reasoning behind this will blow your tiny little liberal mind.....everything in America belongs to SOMEONE already. If you walk in here without a job and with no marketable skills, you are expecting to be cared for. The Government is apparently willing to do it, but the money comes from people who are already here working their asses off. And I dont give a rats ass about the 3% of the federal revenue that comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants in various ways. It is far outweighed by the cost of free healthcare in emergency rooms, border enforcement, crime in immigrant communities, etc....

I know you learned nothing from the Castro Prison dump, but it isnt necessary to be a racist to oppose open borders. All you need is an understanding of the way that economies and poor people interact. We can probably take care of every poor American Citizen, but if we open the flood gates to anyone who wants in, we arent going to get nobel laureates and rocket scientists, we are going to get millions of people who had nothing in their countries of origin and who will likely wind up in ghettos in america. Dont forget that once you are on welfare, there is very little chance that you ever leave it. Your children might, but statistically you are trapped. You really want that for immigrants? Welcome to america heres your food stamp card now STFU and go live in the ghetto until we need your vote? Very Liberal of you....and you dont even understand why that is funny.
 
2012-07-08 11:17:42 PM

archichris: and needed new citizens



According to who?
 
2012-07-08 11:18:25 PM

Aikidogamer: Way to cherry pick troll. As the rest of my post statedit needs to be easier like it was.

Or you can just derp derp derpitty derrrrrrrrrp.



I didn't cherry pick a thing. I pointed out you're a pathetic hypocrite who holds todays immigrants to a standard that would have excluded your family from citizenship.
 
2012-07-08 11:23:13 PM

archichris: We can probably take care of every poor American Citizen, but if we open the flood gates to anyone who wants in, we arent going to get nobel laureates and rocket scientists, we are going to get millions of people who had nothing in their countries of origin and who will likely wind up in ghettos in america.



citation?

archichris: Dont forget that once you are on welfare, there is very little chance that you ever leave it.



citation?

archichris: Welcome to america heres your food stamp card now STFU and go live in the ghetto until we need your vote?


citation?

archichris: Very Liberal of you....and you dont even understand why that is funny.



Yeah, very "liberal" for someone who will accept anyone willing to work hard and make a better living for themselves and their family. How horrible

archichris: But lately, when the economy is shrinking, and one political party is wholly invested in paying to care for every single poor schmuck with a vote, the more people we let in the more we put on the welfare roles and the more it costs to run things.


Strange, because we used to call those people "Christians"

archichris: If you walk in here without a job and with no marketable skills, you are expecting to be cared for.


Expect to be taken care of like all the illegals begging on street corners or Home Depot for a job?

archichris: And I dont give a rats ass about the 3% of the federal revenue that comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants in various ways. It is far outweighed by the cost of free healthcare in emergency rooms, border enforcement, crime in immigrant communities, etc....


Citation?

archichris: You know.....



A hell of a lot more than you. Your warped view of history is disturbing. You are probably a 2nd or 3rd generation American and yet call this country your own. You have no facts to backup any of your claims. You're a disturbed hateful individual who should spend more time getting an actual degree and this time, pay attention in school.
 
2012-07-09 08:13:34 AM

Securitywyrm: MATH TIME!
$280,000 a month for two buildings, capable of housing 450 people total, to sit vacant.
That's $9333 a DAY.
Just what the hell is in these buildings that is costing over nine thousand dollars a day to maintain? Maintenance/security personnel makes $20 an hour(generously), times eight hours a day, $160. Let's say there's... a dozen staff for EMPTY BUILDINGS, 8 at one location and 4 at the other. $1920 per day on maintenance. Where is the other six thousand dollars going?

This is why we can't have nice things, because nobody in the government has ANY incentive to cut spending. You spend all the money you can get your hands on, and then just blame the budget when money runs out. It's like in the military: You have to use every single consumable resource you're authorized to use, even if you're just wasting it. If you're authorized 10,000 rounds of ammunition, and you use 9,000, then next year you're only authorized 9,000. Better go down to the range and just blow through the ammo for no purpose.

This kind of waste makes me angry. You look at how much money they spend to build these things, that would have paid RENT MONEY for every one of the people it could have possibly housed, for as long as the facility would have been open.


Hey look; it's someone who doesn't know fark-all about how nursing homes are run, or how much large facilities cost to run and maintain. I'm sure his opinions on the matter will be the edifying.
 
2012-07-09 11:34:16 AM
As Weaver has already pointed out. Welfare and inexpensive health care for veterans is a difficult issue for Democrats. Their taught to HATE veterans but they're also taught that the week are helpless and that they should 'support welfare' at all costs. So when a vet needs welfare or access to decent medical care...the average DEM voter has a brain lock. I think most democrats honestly do not know what to do when they see a veteran on welfare or taking food stamps. They want to hate them for being a veteran but at the same time they want to help.
 
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