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2012-07-07 09:02:38 PM  
California doesn't have the money to do anything more right now. Maybe they could ask Lockheed and the other companies that manufacture WMDs in Cali for help.

Please read the articles before writing headlines.
 
2012-07-07 09:13:19 PM  
Ok, I'll play Devil's advocate... why should homeless veterans get preference over other homeless people?

/and having been one of them, I can assure California has a lot of them
//discuss
 
2012-07-07 09:21:07 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ok, I'll play Devil's advocate... why should homeless veterans get preference over other homeless people?

/and having been one of them, I can assure California has a lot of them
//discuss


I'll play along. Possible reasons:

1. Perhaps they are homeless in part BECAUSE they are veterans who never properly adjusted to civilian life.
2. Voters like veterans?
 
2012-07-07 09:28:50 PM  
Wait so they're waiting on government handouts for living space instead of doing it as an individual?
 
2012-07-07 09:30:42 PM  

nekom: I'll play along. Possible reasons:

1. Perhaps they are homeless in part BECAUSE they are veterans who never properly adjusted to civilian life.
2. Voters like veterans?


I'm not sure of the actual numbers, but it would be interesting to put this in the context of what percentage of homeless people in California are veterans?
And also, why should states be responsible for rewarding federal service without reimbursement?

/voters seem to like veterans, their former employers, not so much
 
2012-07-07 09:32:15 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ok, I'll play Devil's advocate... why should homeless veterans get preference over other homeless people?

/and having been one of them, I can assure California has a lot of them
//discuss


These were my first thoughts as well. From there I strayed into where the line should be drawn on who's worthy of the charity; for how long; and at what price to deed holders?

Also I immediately consider what it means to me, a mortgage holder, who has been responsible, living within my means, making house payments. I would feel almost punished and certainly taken advantage of for not defaulting on my loan -doing the right thing.

Makes me feel foolish for not getting a much bigger, much newer home and damn the cost.
 
2012-07-07 09:45:25 PM  
Wow, TFA's headline is fooked.

They aren't new homes for veterans, as in single-family homes. They are new veterans homes, as in high-occupancy facilities.
 
2012-07-07 10:00:45 PM  
But though it finished building the 300-bed facility in April, the California Department of Veterans Affairs said this week the state budget crunch means no veterans will be able to move into the Fresno veterans home until October 2013

Subby you're an asshole.


Better headline: Why won't California let people move into the VA nursing homes it's just built?
 
2012-07-07 10:02:07 PM  
They're not homes for homeless veterans, they're NURSING homes for veterans!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-07 10:04:01 PM  
enough money to "ramp up" staffing, Arteaga said, but not enough to serve any residents

How about leaving staffing at one custodian to check for plumbing leaks and trespassers? Hire a real staff when money is available for residents (which will be sooner if you aren't paying people to ramp).
 
2012-07-07 10:04:59 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: They're not homes for homeless veterans, they're NURSING homes for veterans!


I was under the impression that California was building these useless old farts McMansions with large teevees and refrigerators and stuff. That's what the headline says. Are you saying subby is illiterate?
 
2012-07-07 10:08:03 PM  
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Oh boy... That should be interesting.
 
2012-07-07 10:10:36 PM  
In before we get all the lighters telling us how supporting veterans is wrong, and we shouldn't be such jingoistic farkwads as to help them when they get back from murdering babies for oil and at the whim of America's Israeli masters.

/This is what some frequent FARK posters actually believe.
 
2012-07-07 10:18:25 PM  

BronyMedic: In before we get all the lighters telling us how supporting veterans is wrong, and we shouldn't be such jingoistic farkwads as to help them when they get back from murdering babies for oil and at the whim of America's Israeli masters.

/This is what some frequent FARK posters actually believe.


WTF was that?
 
2012-07-07 10:27:17 PM  
As George Carlin once said... Golf courses.
 
2012-07-07 10:28:21 PM  

BronyMedic:

/This is what some frequent FARK posters actually believe.



Which ones?

Be specific ... or be a pre-emptively defensive thread sh*tting Fark Independent, who's ready to nail himself up.

I'm guessing the latter.
 
2012-07-07 10:31:39 PM  

SilentStrider: As George Carlin once said... Golf courses.


That's funny, I just passed by Caddyshack on the Golf channel where Rodney Dangerfield said the same thing. The irony of showing Caddyshack on a channel aimed at golfers was obviously lost somewhere.
 
2012-07-07 10:31:47 PM  

Mugato: BronyMedic: In before we get all the lighters telling us how supporting veterans is wrong, and we shouldn't be such jingoistic farkwads as to help them when they get back from murdering babies for oil and at the whim of America's Israeli masters.

/This is what some frequent FARK posters actually believe.

WTF was that?


projection
 
2012-07-07 10:34:52 PM  
kmmontandon: Which ones?

Be specific ... or be a pre-emptively defensive thread sh*tting Fark Independent, who's ready to nail himself up.

I'm guessing the latter.


I'm pretty sure that naming people before they've made an appearance in the thread is a reason to get my succinct Poe's law post deleted, and earn me a three day time out.
 
2012-07-07 10:37:20 PM  

kmmontandon: Be specific


There are usually a handful of comments from either known trolls or users who post so infrequently they don't even matter. It does occur, it is very low in the percentage of the comments. It's usually just some stupid kid yelling about something they just learned about in class or on the interwebz.

I think that it is what BronyMedic is referring to. There are also some who just dislike the hero worship of the military for wars they are just dead set against.

It's a very, very small percentage.
 
2012-07-07 10:39:04 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ok, I'll play Devil's advocate... why should homeless veterans get preference over other homeless people?

/and having been one of them, I can assure California has a lot of them
//discuss


I thought that this article was going to be about all the reposed houses which have no one living in them and all the homeless or evicted people with no where to live.
 
2012-07-07 10:40:11 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And also, why should states be responsible for rewarding federal service without reimbursement?


That was actually something I was wondering. I kinda figured all VA stuff was federally funded. I've worked for the VA Hospital System before... we were federal employees, not state ones.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-07-07 10:47:39 PM  

mauricecano: Wait so they're waiting on government handouts for living space instead of doing it as an individual?


Well our modern military is the most socialist entity to ever exist in the USA. They get their food, housing, clothing, medical care and nearly all other needs provided by the government. Not to mention they can retire at 38 and get a check for the rest of their lives.
 
2012-07-07 10:54:06 PM  

RodneyToady: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And also, why should states be responsible for rewarding federal service without reimbursement?

That was actually something I was wondering. I kinda figured all VA stuff was federally funded. I've worked for the VA Hospital System before... we were federal employees, not state ones.


I'm not certain, but I suspect the whole state veteran's home establishment was set up after "the war to end all wars" (WW I) when people were actually optimistic enough to believe there would never be another conflict of that scale. In that context, it makes sense because there was never an envisioning of having a continuous supply of wounded veterans, and states felt obliged to their residents who volunteered.

/little did they know...
 
2012-07-07 11:01:27 PM  
As soon as a thing becomes primarily about money...
 
2012-07-07 11:02:12 PM  
What happened to not making people dependent on handouts and forcing them to lift themselves by their own bootstraps?
 
2012-07-07 11:03:23 PM  
Last I heard there are a million unoccupied homes across America. It's not just California.
 
2012-07-07 11:04:38 PM  
Who do these vets think they are trying to get something for nothing? Wall St big shots? Bankers? The CEO of GM? They should be happy that they were given the opportunity to get their legs blown off for the US of 'Merica.
 
2012-07-07 11:08:48 PM  
MATH TIME!
$280,000 a month for two buildings, capable of housing 450 people total, to sit vacant.
That's $9333 a DAY.
Just what the hell is in these buildings that is costing over nine thousand dollars a day to maintain? Maintenance/security personnel makes $20 an hour(generously), times eight hours a day, $160. Let's say there's... a dozen staff for EMPTY BUILDINGS, 8 at one location and 4 at the other. $1920 per day on maintenance. Where is the other six thousand dollars going?

This is why we can't have nice things, because nobody in the government has ANY incentive to cut spending. You spend all the money you can get your hands on, and then just blame the budget when money runs out. It's like in the military: You have to use every single consumable resource you're authorized to use, even if you're just wasting it. If you're authorized 10,000 rounds of ammunition, and you use 9,000, then next year you're only authorized 9,000. Better go down to the range and just blow through the ammo for no purpose.

This kind of waste makes me angry. You look at how much money they spend to build these things, that would have paid RENT MONEY for every one of the people it could have possibly housed, for as long as the facility would have been open.
 
2012-07-07 11:09:04 PM  

ZAZ: enough money to "ramp up" staffing, Arteaga said, but not enough to serve any residents

How about leaving staffing at one custodian to check for plumbing leaks and trespassers? Hire a real staff when money is available for residents (which will be sooner if you aren't paying people to ramp).


Well, the staff isn't going to spend the money on anything but the staff until that expense is fully funded, and they need the full air conditioning and stuff so the staff can make sure themselves are fully comfortable as well as paid. What's hard to understand about that?
 
2012-07-07 11:11:12 PM  
If these were homeless drug addicts and ex-convicts you farktard liberals would be all about helping them but since they are veterans it's, "Fark them! Why should they get help?"
 
2012-07-07 11:11:23 PM  
The answer is simple, the government has been doing it for years. If you give banks and billionaires a billion dollars of poor and middle class peoples money, this helps poor people not be poor.

Trinkle down economics at its finest.
 
2012-07-07 11:11:24 PM  
California would only care about illegal immigrants. fark everyone else.
 
2012-07-07 11:11:51 PM  
"than", idiot.
 
2012-07-07 11:12:09 PM  

Securitywyrm: MATH TIME!
$280,000 a month for two buildings, capable of housing 450 people total, to sit vacant.
That's $9333 a DAY.
Just what the hell is in these buildings that is costing over nine thousand dollars a day to maintain? Maintenance/security personnel makes $20 an hour(generously), times eight hours a day, $160. Let's say there's... a dozen staff for EMPTY BUILDINGS, 8 at one location and 4 at the other. $1920 per day on maintenance. Where is the other six thousand dollars going?

This is why we can't have nice things, because nobody in the government has ANY incentive to cut spending. You spend all the money you can get your hands on, and then just blame the budget when money runs out. It's like in the military: You have to use every single consumable resource you're authorized to use, even if you're just wasting it. If you're authorized 10,000 rounds of ammunition, and you use 9,000, then next year you're only authorized 9,000. Better go down to the range and just blow through the ammo for no purpose.

This kind of waste makes me angry. You look at how much money they spend to build these things, that would have paid RENT MONEY for every one of the people it could have possibly housed, for as long as the facility would have been open.


This.
 
2012-07-07 11:13:36 PM  

Securitywyrm: MATH TIME!
$280,000 a month for two buildings, capable of housing 450 people total, to sit vacant.
That's $9333 a DAY.
Just what the hell is in these buildings that is costing over nine thousand dollars a day to maintain? Maintenance/security personnel makes $20 an hour(generously), times eight hours a day, $160. Let's say there's... a dozen staff for EMPTY BUILDINGS, 8 at one location and 4 at the other. $1920 per day on maintenance. Where is the other six thousand dollars going?


Forget it, Securitywyrm. It's Chinatown.


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2012-07-07 11:14:15 PM  

Securitywyrm: MATH TIME!
$280,000 a month for two buildings, capable of housing 450 people total, to sit vacant.
That's $9333 a DAY.
Just what the hell is in these buildings that is costing over nine thousand dollars a day to maintain? Maintenance/security personnel makes $20 an hour(generously), times eight hours a day, $160. Let's say there's... a dozen staff for EMPTY BUILDINGS, 8 at one location and 4 at the other. $1920 per day on maintenance. Where is the other six thousand dollars going?

This is why we can't have nice things, because nobody in the government has ANY incentive to cut spending. You spend all the money you can get your hands on, and then just blame the budget when money runs out. It's like in the military: You have to use every single consumable resource you're authorized to use, even if you're just wasting it. If you're authorized 10,000 rounds of ammunition, and you use 9,000, then next year you're only authorized 9,000. Better go down to the range and just blow through the ammo for no purpose.

This kind of waste makes me angry. You look at how much money they spend to build these things, that would have paid RENT MONEY for every one of the people it could have possibly housed, for as long as the facility would have been open.


DING!DING!DING!DING!

WE HAVE A WINNER!

/yeah... I've worked for government too, and it's the same from city, to county, to state, to federal
//exactly THIS
 
2012-07-07 11:14:25 PM  

crispyone: If these were homeless drug addicts and ex-convicts you farktard liberals would be all about helping them but since they are veterans it's, "Fark them! Why should they get help?"


1/10.

haven't seen this one active before.
 
2012-07-07 11:14:49 PM  

crispyone: If these were homeless drug addicts and ex-convicts you farktard liberals would be all about helping them but since they are veterans it's, "Fark them! Why should they get help?"


Texas. Where stupid is in the water.
 
2012-07-07 11:15:55 PM  

crispyone: If these were homeless drug addicts and ex-convicts you farktard liberals would be all about helping them but since they are veterans it's, "Fark them! Why should they get help?"


Your state executes retards and innocent people, your opinion is invalid.
 
2012-07-07 11:16:06 PM  

BronyMedic:
I'm pretty sure that naming people before they've made an appearance in the thread is a reason to get my succinct Poe's law post deleted, and earn me a three day time out.



Dammit ... got it.

I've spent time trolling at WND lately, so I'm used to seeing certain things. Especially after drinking something called "The Denogginizer" from Drake's, complete with 9.75% abv.
 
2012-07-07 11:17:09 PM  
California has an immigration problem. California also has a budget problem. Why not kill two birds with one stone?

California: "Hey there, illegal immigrant, why don't you agree to work for minimum wage doing something we need like changing bedpans, supervising homeless people in a home to make sure they don't flip out, or helping to maintain our infrastructure? If you do a good job and keep your nose clean we'll even throw in citizenship after five years, and give you on the job training so you can have a legitimate career afterwards!"

Illegal Immigrant: "That sounds better than picking tomatoes for 50 cents a bushel, where do I sign up?"

/yeah, yeah, states aren't in charge of immigration policy
//maybe they should be so something like this could be worked out
 
2012-07-07 11:17:25 PM  
crispyone, remember ex-convicts are in the military thanks to people like you.
 
2012-07-07 11:18:08 PM  
I'm okay with using an attention-grabbing group like veterans to highlight the government's gross inefficiency and waste to the detriment of its citizens. Ideally, figuring out and addressing the problem would have benefits across the board.
 
2012-07-07 11:18:45 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: California has an immigration problem. California also has a budget problem. Why not kill two birds with one stone?

California: "Hey there, illegal immigrant, why don't you agree to work for minimum wage doing something we need like changing bedpans, supervising homeless people in a home to make sure they don't flip out, or helping to maintain our infrastructure? If you do a good job and keep your nose clean we'll even throw in citizenship after five years, and give you on the job training so you can have a legitimate career afterwards!"

Illegal Immigrant: "That sounds better than picking tomatoes for 50 cents a bushel, where do I sign up?"

/yeah, yeah, states aren't in charge of immigration policy
//maybe they should be so something like this could be worked out


Why do I have a feeling the agriculture lobby would raise a big stink over "the state is taking our workers away"?

Not saying that it's a bad idea though.
 
2012-07-07 11:19:29 PM  
FTFA: "The state budget signed last week by Gov. Jerry Brown sets aside $4.2 million to operate the homes over the next year, enough money to "ramp up" staffing, Arteaga said, but not enough to serve any residents."

Why does that sound familiar?

Oh, and the followup.
 
2012-07-07 11:21:14 PM  

nekom: I'll play along. Possible reasons:

1. Perhaps they are homeless in part BECAUSE they are veterans who never properly adjusted to civilian life.
2. Voters like veterans?


Plenty of regular homeless people have mental/psychological issues as well.
 
2012-07-07 11:22:40 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: California has an immigration problem. California also has a budget problem. Why not kill two birds with one stone?

California: "Hey there, illegal immigrant, why don't you agree to work for minimum wage doing something we need like changing bedpans, supervising homeless people in a home to make sure they don't flip out, or helping to maintain our infrastructure? If you do a good job and keep your nose clean we'll even throw in citizenship after five years, and give you on the job training so you can have a legitimate career afterwards!"

Illegal Immigrant: "That sounds better than picking tomatoes for 50 cents a bushel, where do I sign up?"

/yeah, yeah, states aren't in charge of immigration policy
//maybe they should be so something like this could be worked out


Where will the unskilled Americans displaced by those illegals work?
 
2012-07-07 11:22:47 PM  

Biological Ali: nekom: I'll play along. Possible reasons:

1. Perhaps they are homeless in part BECAUSE they are veterans who never properly adjusted to civilian life.
2. Voters like veterans?

Plenty of regular homeless people have mental/psychological issues as well.


yeah, but in THIS country (America - the CHRISTIAN nation) we hate the weak and despise the poor. if you are homeless, we hate you. we won't help you. But we'll gladly look down on you and assume you are a danger to everyone around you.
 
2012-07-07 11:24:10 PM  
That is a pretty shiatty way to get a cheap green, submitter. Hope you feel like you accomplished something today.
 
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