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2012-07-07 06:01:04 PM  
I see someone's been reading Jon Ronson's book.
 
2012-07-07 06:32:36 PM  
I wonder what the number would be for politicians then?
 
2012-07-07 07:03:19 PM  
Feh...I have books from the late '60s that did research on this.
 
2012-07-07 07:14:28 PM  
I thought that was an axiom.
 
2012-07-07 07:38:34 PM  
www.manikmusic.net
static7.businessinsider.com

/uncanny
 
2012-07-07 07:46:01 PM  
No shiat.... it's almost like normal, well-adjusted people with typical human emotions feel bad about doing the sorts of things required to be a successful "entrepreneur".

The easiest way to be "successful" is to take money from people by manipulating them. Psychopaths are good at manipulating people, so they make good business leaders.
 
2012-07-07 07:47:40 PM  
I actually think sociopath is closer. Zero conscious, zero empathy, no real emotional capacity but an ability to emulate human emotion if necessary.
 
2012-07-07 07:51:54 PM  

simsite9: [www.manikmusic.net image 590x322]
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/uncanny


I like it.

i4.photobucket.com

I wish I had some PS skills, I'd like to see Bane's luchador mask on this....
 
2012-07-07 07:56:29 PM  
A 2010 study by Hare and colleagues found that four per cent of a sample of 203 corporate professionals met a clinical threshold for being described as psychopaths.

Actually, that study was closer to "four per cent of a sample of 203 corporate professionals who had been sent to a workshop because they were causing trouble at their workplace."

Gee, a higher than average incidence of mental issues among a small, specifically-selected population that was picked because they had problems at work. What a shock...
 
2012-07-07 07:57:08 PM  
Oh hey I've only read this article on Fark three or four times now...
 
2012-07-07 08:17:06 PM  
Without direct analysis of these individuals it can be a little hard to say. Successful CEO's like successful coaches are those that are good at manipulating people to achieve their goals. This can be learned behaviour and does not necessarily mean they are psychopaths. I've known people managers who can turn the rage on and off just like they can turn the empathy on and off. It doesn't mean they don't have feelings or view people as cardboard cutouts in their subjective world.
 
2012-07-07 08:27:21 PM  
Our ceo just laid off a bunch of us. I am still unsure if he is a psycopath thats really good at acting or if he felt bad.....his direct subordinate however...oh yeah. he doesn't even try and hide it.
 
2012-07-07 08:31:31 PM  

Greywar: Our ceo just laid off a bunch of us. I am still unsure if he is a psycopath thats really good at acting or if he felt bad.....his direct subordinate however...oh yeah. he doesn't even try and hide it.


It doesn't matter, it's all management so they're all the same. Unless the CEO actually started the company to begin with. I know two of those and they're regular people. Anyway, my condolences, good luck.
 
2012-07-07 08:35:11 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Without direct analysis of these individuals it can be a little hard to say. Successful CEO's like successful coaches are those that are good at manipulating people to achieve their goals. This can be learned behaviour and does not necessarily mean they are psychopaths. I've known people managers who can turn the rage on and off just like they can turn the empathy on and off. It doesn't mean they don't have feelings or view people as cardboard cutouts in their subjective world.


Ummm has anybody pointed out to you that people that can turn on and off their rage and empathy at will is the very definition of a psychopath/sociopath?
 
2012-07-07 08:36:48 PM  
It takes a special type of person to live with knowing that a great part of your income comes from other persons' hard work. The kind of person who can rationalize about anything.

/strike that, this quality isn't all that special
 
2012-07-07 08:44:30 PM  

mrlewish:
Ummm has anybody pointed out to you that people that can turn on and off their rage and empathy at will is the very definition of a psychopath/sociopath?


No, it isn't.
 
2012-07-07 09:12:25 PM  
...because capitalism sucks and so do the people who excel at it.
 
2012-07-07 09:27:55 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: mrlewish:
Ummm has anybody pointed out to you that people that can turn on and off their rage and empathy at will is the very definition of a psychopath/sociopath?

No, it isn't.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-07 09:40:50 PM  
Well, it probably explains the drop in the number of serial killers in the last 30 years.
 
2012-07-07 09:54:00 PM  
Graduated with degree in Psychology - Check
Went to work for four different CEO's / Presidents over the past 20 years - Check

Psychopathy / Sociopathy definitely went hand in hand with the four CEO / Presidents I had the 'pleasure' of working for over twenty years. It was one thing to be trained in Psych/Abnormal Psych and then pop out the other end and notice actual symptons and/or outright blatant behavior.

Cocaine seems to go with them, too.

Me shuffling through papers on one President's desk late at night while working on huge proposal for random Aerospace company, discovers Glock.

Hey, there's a Glock on your desk.

Him: Yep. You never know who's around or about outside.

Me: We're uh, we're in an office building.

Him: You never know.

Me: So, you keep a loaded Glock hanging around under papers.

Him: Eye twitch and weird stare.

Me: So, will I be dropping you off in the Humvee, or are you taking it home?

(He owned an H1 before you could, privately. Had me special order it from AM General).


It grossed me out to such a degree that I seriously can't go back to being an assistant, or anything close to working corporate anymore. All four companies burned, all employees involved under said crazy nutters were consumed and left unemployed.

You're either seen as something that doesn't matter, or something that sometimes might bite back, and therefore has to be mildly appeased otherwise it might ruin the fun of their game. Romney as a sociopath? You better believe all the symptoms are there.

You get to the point where you're so tired of showing that it'd be bad to try to be farked with you get burned out. And only then do you realize just how much what you do or don't do doesn't really matter; the true Psycho/Sociopath wouldn't think twice of shooting an obstructive individual in front of them, the only thing stopping them might be the thought that 'well, the parents invested a lot into that, and they'd lose all that money'.

Psychopaths and Sociopaths truly don't care about you or what you do. They will find it fun to fark with you. A sort of ultimate trolling.
 
2012-07-07 10:05:58 PM  

mrlewish: JasonOfOrillia: mrlewish:
Ummm has anybody pointed out to you that people that can turn on and off their rage and empathy at will is the very definition of a psychopath/sociopath?

No, it isn't.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x360]


psy·cho·path/ˈsīkəˌpaTH/
Noun:
A person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.
Synonyms:
psycho

No it isn't.
 
2012-07-07 10:06:33 PM  
It's a good thing you cant get doubles here, otherwise this thread would be toast.
 
2012-07-07 10:11:53 PM  
lousyskater: It's a good thing you cant get doubles here, otherwise this thread would be toast.

FOOL! Only Quads can kill the taxmaster.
 
2012-07-07 10:19:10 PM  
Hate to burst the bubble here, but Patrick Bateman was never a CEO. Was a mid-level cog at best.
 
2012-07-07 10:22:06 PM  
I've said for years that serial kilers and the super successful are not that much different, just took a different road in life. Just let one of these guys lose thier place of high esteem and they will crumble like a house of cards. The really scary part is that there are a lot of people who are not management that want to be that are ready to cut your throat to move up the corporate ladder.
 
2012-07-07 10:52:47 PM  

Cymbal: Hate to burst the bubble here, but Patrick Bateman was never a CEO. Was a mid-level cog at best.


That was the whole point of the film/novel.
 
2012-07-07 11:58:42 PM  
Psychopathy checklist:

truthman30.files.wordpress.com

crooksandliars.com

www.redstate.com
 
2012-07-08 12:00:21 AM  
I'd like to leave a longer comment, but I have to return a videotape.
 
2012-07-08 12:24:18 AM  

Mugato: I actually think sociopath is closer. Zero conscious, zero empathy, no real emotional capacity but an ability to emulate human emotion if necessary.


We are a nation of sociopaths, if that is the definition.
 
2012-07-08 01:34:59 AM  

skinink: I'd like to leave a longer comment, but I have to return a videotape.


Ding, ding.
 
2012-07-08 02:10:44 AM  
My god isn't this old news?
 
2012-07-08 02:53:55 AM  

Sgygus: It takes a special type of person to live with knowing that a great part of your income comes from other persons' hard work. The kind of person who can rationalize about anything.

/strike that, this quality isn't all that special


You do realize that most peoples' income is derived from someone else's hard work, right? Unless you are actually a miner, janitor or some other low level menial job.
 
2012-07-08 03:00:58 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Sgygus: It takes a special type of person to live with knowing that a great part of your income comes from other persons' hard work. The kind of person who can rationalize about anything.

/strike that, this quality isn't all that special

You do realize that most peoples' income is derived from someone else's hard work, right? Unless you are actually a miner, janitor or some other low level menial job.


I don't know about that. A janitor might not have a job if it wasn't for my hard work on the bowl. Clog, anyone?
 
2012-07-08 06:22:22 AM  
This American Life did a show on this a while back, one of the segments was on Al Dunlap, who laid off a bunch of workers and basically was an unconscionable prick.

Link

And yes, that part of that show was excerpted from Ronson's book.
 
2012-07-08 07:56:44 AM  
Goodfella:
Psychopathy checklist

That's odd - that same checklist also fits about 90% of the musicians and artists I know.
 
2012-07-08 08:08:07 AM  
Patrick Bateman? He'd be a stain on Jim Profit's carpet.
 
2012-07-08 09:39:09 AM  

Goodfella: Psychopathy checklist:

[truthman30.files.wordpress.com image 320x287]

[crooksandliars.com image 600x277]

[www.redstate.com image 560x437]


I'm not sure if Romney deserves a checkmark for "Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships" ; he has been married for decades, and AFAIK, his kids don't hate him...

/ those other points seem pretty dead-on....
 
2012-07-08 10:35:49 AM  
Tim Giethner is a sociopath.
 
2012-07-08 10:55:36 AM  

cmunic8r99: I see someone's been reading Jon Ronson's book.


I found it to be excellent and very funny. And very, very informative.
 
2012-07-08 11:27:01 AM  

Brakefornobody: Patrick Bateman? He'd be a stain on Jim Profit's carpet.


I watched that series not too long ago because I kept hearing it was good. Mostly the plots were as unbelievable as Patrick Bateman's serial killer fantasies, and it's dated really badly. Plus where in the hell did he get a personal PC with such good graphics and fast connection back in 1996? Many of the things Profit did would have been stopped immediately in any business environment, the setups were so amateurish. Although I did get a kick out of him sleeping in a big refrigerator box.
 
2012-07-08 01:27:28 PM  

Phony_Soldier: My god isn't this old news?


And therefore, irrelevant. Vote Rmoney!
 
2012-07-08 06:17:20 PM  
If this does not describe Obama's hope and change for the last three years. And his sudden pandering to some groups I do not know what will
 
2012-07-08 10:38:35 PM  
Welcome to America, the Land of Opportunity!
What, you got rich? Fark you! Give ME sum'a dat money!
 
2012-07-09 12:55:04 AM  
Psychopath?

Link
 
2012-07-09 04:26:46 AM  

tjfly: Welcome to America, the Land of Opportunity!
What, you got rich? Fark you! Give ME sum'a dat money!


Only a tiny few of "1%" got there from hard work. Most were born into money; some had connections (e..g Gates); others were big enough asshole to bully their way there. I have worked directly with many CEOs over the years. Most couldn't find their asses with assistance and did nothing substantive to drive the day-to-day success of the organization.

If CEOs are so valuable, then why doesn't production suffer when leave? Turn over the hard working saps shipping dept. and their is going to be consequences to productivity. Lose the CEO and nothing much changes.
 
2012-07-09 05:52:14 AM  

IlGreven: Mugato: I actually think sociopath is closer. Zero conscious, zero empathy, no real emotional capacity but an ability to emulate human emotion if necessary.

We are a nationRepublicans are a party of sociopaths, if that is the definition.


FTFY
 
2012-07-09 06:01:44 AM  

Znuh: Graduated with degree in Psychology - Check
Went to work for four different CEO's / Presidents over the past 20 years - Check

Psychopathy / Sociopathy definitely went hand in hand with the four CEO / Presidents I had the 'pleasure' of working for over twenty years. It was one thing to be trained in Psych/Abnormal Psych and then pop out the other end and notice actual symptons and/or outright blatant behavior.

Cocaine seems to go with them, too.

Me shuffling through papers on one President's desk late at night while working on huge proposal for random Aerospace company, discovers Glock.

Hey, there's a Glock on your desk.

Him: Yep. You never know who's around or about outside.

Me: We're uh, we're in an office building.

Him: You never know.

Me: So, you keep a loaded Glock hanging around under papers.

Him: Eye twitch and weird stare.

Me: So, will I be dropping you off in the Humvee, or are you taking it home?

(He owned an H1 before you could, privately. Had me special order it from AM General).


It grossed me out to such a degree that I seriously can't go back to being an assistant, or anything close to working corporate anymore. All four companies burned, all employees involved under said crazy nutters were consumed and left unemployed.

You're either seen as something that doesn't matter, or something that sometimes might bite back, and therefore has to be mildly appeased otherwise it might ruin the fun of their game. Romney as a sociopath? You better believe all the symptoms are there.

You get to the point where you're so tired of showing that it'd be bad to try to be farked with you get burned out. And only then do you realize just how much what you do or don't do doesn't really matter; the true Psycho/Sociopath wouldn't think twice of shooting an obstructive individual in front of them, the only thing stopping them might be the thought that 'well, the parents invested a lot into that, and they'd lose all that money'.

Psychopaths and Sociopaths truly d ...


That's what I have been thinking as well except I find it odd that someone like that would implement a healthcare system that is designed to help people. But almost everything else about him screams sociopath.
 
2012-07-09 06:10:37 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: mrlewish: JasonOfOrillia: mrlewish:
Ummm has anybody pointed out to you that people that can turn on and off their rage and empathy at will is the very definition of a psychopath/sociopath?

No, it isn't.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x360]

psy·cho·path/ˈsīkəˌpaTH/
Noun:
A person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.
Synonyms:
psycho

No it isn't.


Dr Robert Hare is considered the leading authority on psychopaths and sociopaths. His criteria for diagnosis include:

Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)
Callousness; lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Poor behavioral control
Lack of realistic long-term goals
Impulsivity
Irresponsibility
Juvenile delinquency
Early behavior problems
Revocation of conditional release

Promiscuous sexual behavior
Many short-term marital relationships
Criminal versatility
Acquired behavioural sociopathy/sociological conditioning (Item 21: a newly identified trait i.e. a person relying on sociological strategies and tricks to deceive)

A candidate does not need to meet each of these criteria to be diagnosed but the one essential is a lack of empathy. In other words a true psychopath / sociopath has no conscience at all.
 
2012-07-09 06:15:25 AM  

IlGreven: Mugato: I actually think sociopath is closer. Zero conscious, zero empathy, no real emotional capacity but an ability to emulate human emotion if necessary.

We are a nation of sociopaths, if that is the definition.


If you really think that poorly of your country and its population why do you not pack up and leave?

Apart from that you are completely and indefensibly wrong - the rate of sociopathy in the US is about 1 in 100. And that is similar to other countries.
 
2012-07-09 06:33:18 AM  

kg2095: IlGreven: Mugato: I actually think sociopath is closer. Zero conscious, zero empathy, no real emotional capacity but an ability to emulate human emotion if necessary.

We are a nation of sociopaths, if that is the definition.

If you really think that poorly of your country and its population why do you not pack up and leave?

Apart from that you are completely and indefensibly wrong - the rate of sociopathy in the US is about 1 in 100. And that is similar to other countries.


the problem is they're concentrated in positions of power and policy influence.

Only sociopaths would find our healthcare system functional.
 
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