If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Daily Mail)   Not News: Man faces 60 days in jail. Fark: For hosting Bible study in his own home   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 397
    More: Asinine, Bibles, building codes, 3TV, seminaries, Bible study, jail term, Courts of Arizona  
•       •       •

14898 clicks; posted to Main » on 07 Jul 2012 at 12:34 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



397 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | » | Last | Show all
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-07 12:03:49 PM
Where I live churches are exempt from zoning so we don't have this kind of raid. Church leaders and town leaders are expected to negotiate to bring the level of nonconformance to a mutually tolerable level.

Officials said the city has become aware of the meetings after some of Salman's neighbors complained about traffic congestion near his home, although the pastor insists that his guests would always park on his property.

Neighbors will see one car on the street and say they can't get out of their driveways because the street is lined with parked cars all day. I mean that literally. I went to city traffic committee meetings where the city engineer presented reports about resident complaints.
 
2012-07-07 12:07:53 PM
t1.gstatic.com

/Obligatory
 
2012-07-07 12:19:46 PM
'It came down to zoning and proper permitting,' Vicki Hill, the chief assistant city prosecutor, told Fox News Radio. 'Any time you are holding a gathering of people continuously as he does - we have concerns about people being able to exit the facility properly in case there is a fire.'


It's not what happens at the meetings, but the number of people and regularity of the meetings. They could have been meeting to discuss their Fantasy Football picks or have a regular book club meeting, or be playing D&D, and it boils down to use.

Residential areas are exactly that. 15 folks, 3 times a week, that's a LOT of folks parking up and down residential streets, which in the Phoenix area don't come with a lot of street parking. Sub-division streets are NOT parking friendly in the least. You have folks over that often, you aren't just impacting your home, but the flow of traffic that impacts your neighbors as well, and it affects their use as well. He's not zoned for this use, and that's what he's getting hit on. If his neighbors hosted parties three times a week and clogged up the road with vehicles he'd be making complaints as well. Someone in that neighborhood made a complaint--which is why the cops got involved. Otherwise, they wouldn't care. Someone in that neighborhood got tired of cars rolling in and blocking up the streets...

He wants to blame the city? Fine. But he might want to look at the guy whose driveway got crowded with cars every week first...
 
2012-07-07 12:20:00 PM
he built a church in his back yard....
 
2012-07-07 12:26:24 PM
Child abuse should carry a penalty of much more than 60 days.
 
2012-07-07 12:28:23 PM

Weaver95: he built a church in his back yard....


And he owns a restaurant--someplace that WOULD be zoned for heavier use. But I suppose that would cut into his business, so he instead wanted to take evenings off, but still have his meetings, and decided to use his home, as opposed to the space that was better zoned for it.

Cry me a river. Waah. The rules shouldn't apply to ME!
 
2012-07-07 12:34:44 PM

hubiestubert: Cry me a river. Waah. The rules shouldn't apply to ME!


FingTFY:

Cry me a river. Waah. The rules shouldn't apply to ME because JESUS!
 
2012-07-07 12:36:28 PM
Did he try this heinous act within 1000 yards of a school or something?
 
2012-07-07 12:37:16 PM

Weaver95: he built a church in his back yard....


This

hubiestubert: Residential areas are exactly that. 15 folks, 3 times a week, that's a LOT of folks parking up and down residential streets, which in the Phoenix area don't come with a lot of street parking.


And this, as well as good points made by others. The only thing I'll add is that I'm pretty sure a municipality in Arizona isn't discriminating against this guy because he's a Christian.
 
2012-07-07 12:39:02 PM

Weaver95: he built a church in his back yard....


With small doors and no fire extinguishers.
 
2012-07-07 12:39:11 PM

Hoban Washburne: The only thing I'll add is that I'm pretty sure a municipality in Arizona isn't discriminating against this guy because he's a Christian.


true, but you can't drum up fake outrage by saying it like that.
 
2012-07-07 12:39:17 PM
If you manage to piss off ARIZONA authorities through your religious douchebaggery, then you're REALLY doing something special...
 
2012-07-07 12:39:23 PM

hubiestubert: It's not what happens at the meetings, but the number of people and regularity of the meetings. They could have been meeting to discuss their Fantasy Football picks or have a regular book club meeting, or be playing D&D, and it boils down to use.


You know that. I know that. But nothing will stop the persecution angle of the story. Hell, just look at the CAPS lock in the Mail headline. And they're farking British.

One of my chief irritants is with people who knowingly break codes and then cry that they're being singled out. Nowhere is this more prevalent than the homeowner who is suddenly shocked to learn that "no large yard decorations" includes flags. But hey, he's not breaking the very rules he agreed to, his Freedomtm is being assaulted by elite liberals, or whatever.

Not much difference, here. If this guy were having 12-15 cars jammed on his block for BBQs every single week, the same complaint would be made. But hey, Jesus. I guess he's exempt and fark you if you dare suggest otherwise.
 
2012-07-07 12:39:24 PM
You can't run a church in your own backyard, unless you're zoned appropriately. He's not being very neighborly. People like this piss me off.

/Christian.
 
2012-07-07 12:40:41 PM
www.freethunk.net
 
2012-07-07 12:40:41 PM
I'm sure he'd sympathize if a Muslim down the road cobbled a mosque together and jammed up the streets and driveways all the time.
 
2012-07-07 12:40:42 PM
keep trolling, submittroll.
you break zoning rule,
you face consequences, bible study or orgy, does not matter.
 
2012-07-07 12:40:49 PM
Atheism is a Religion.
 
2012-07-07 12:40:51 PM
I was concerned until I saw the sign and the cross in his yard. Its a church.
 
2012-07-07 12:41:26 PM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


Not playing tennis is a sport.
 
2012-07-07 12:41:27 PM
Another entitled Christian douchebag. Big surprise.
 
2012-07-07 12:42:09 PM
Gotdamn HOA.
 
2012-07-07 12:42:18 PM
I would have thrown the book at him. Yes that book. It's has to be good for something other then propaganda.
 
2012-07-07 12:42:23 PM
We need to jail more people for peacably assembling.
 
2012-07-07 12:42:34 PM
So um, what would it take to turn my house (that I don't own) into a church and then not pay property tax on it? Would that work?
 
2012-07-07 12:43:04 PM
He built a GODDAMN CHURCH in his backyard! 40 people (which could mean 40 cars) lining the street...and for the record, I don't want to be woken up on a Sunday morning by hideous hymns. Fark him.
 
2012-07-07 12:43:31 PM
Land of the free.
 
2012-07-07 12:45:29 PM
For the record I think a lot of the Christian hate here is really overblown. That said, dude has purpose-built building. It should conform to the rules of that purpose (being a church.)
 
2012-07-07 12:45:32 PM
Lol, this is too easy.

'That type of enforcement is against the law; it's unconstitutional,' Salman stated in an online video.

Code enforcement is not unconstitutional.

'Just because visitors come to my home three times a week and we discuss the Bible...if that's their definition of a church then so be it,' he said.

church [church]
noun
1.
a building for public Christian worship.
2.
public worship of God or a religious service in such a building: to attend church regularly.

'At what point does the government have the right to state that you cannot have family and friends over at your home three times a week?' Salman asked.

When you built a farking church in your backyard asshole.
 
2012-07-07 12:47:36 PM

mikaloyd: We need to jail more people for peacably assembling.


And misspelling.
 
2012-07-07 12:47:36 PM

mikaloyd: We need to jail more people for peacably assembling.


What are you talking about?! That would spread religion even faster! :O
 
2012-07-07 12:47:43 PM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


Not working is an occupation.
 
2012-07-07 12:48:18 PM
Not News: Man faces 60 days in jail. Fark: For hosting Bible study in his own home building a church in his backyard
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-07 12:49:00 PM
RoyBatty: So um, what would it take to turn my house (that I don't own) into a church and then not pay property tax on it? Would that work?

Around here you would start using it as a church and file an abatement request with the city assessor. If you mostly used it as a house your request would be denied. As the Catholic Church shrinks cities are starting to tax genuine church buildings that are no longer used for worship.

Similarly, if you wanted your new building not to be subject to zoning you would promise it would be used for designated religious and/or educational purposes. The city would not let you treat it as your ordinary house if it had been built under the religious exemption. See "Dover amendment" if you're curious about the law of Massachusetts exempting churches from zoning.
 
2012-07-07 12:49:00 PM

saloman: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Not playing tennis is a sport.


Nice!

/remember, it's letrole with whom you are not conversing...
 
2012-07-07 12:50:43 PM

dickfreckle: hubiestubert: It's not what happens at the meetings, but the number of people and regularity of the meetings. They could have been meeting to discuss their Fantasy Football picks or have a regular book club meeting, or be playing D&D, and it boils down to use.

You know that. I know that. But nothing will stop the persecution angle of the story. Hell, just look at the CAPS lock in the Mail headline. And they're farking British.

One of my chief irritants is with people who knowingly break codes and then cry that they're being singled out. Nowhere is this more prevalent than the homeowner who is suddenly shocked to learn that "no large yard decorations" includes flags. But hey, he's not breaking the very rules he agreed to, his Freedomtm is being assaulted by elite liberals, or whatever.

Not much difference, here. If this guy were having 12-15 cars jammed on his block for BBQs every single week, the same complaint would be made. But hey, Jesus. I guess he's exempt and fark you if you dare suggest otherwise.


I'm almost positive this story has had previous Fark threads about the situation and I'm also almost positive that, as it hints in the article, he has enough parking on his property to accommodate all of his guests. So there is no parking on the street taking place.

This is about government overreach. Pure and simple.
 
2012-07-07 12:50:58 PM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


And therefore atheism is deserving of all the dignified reverence reserved for religion.
 
2012-07-07 12:51:00 PM
Good. We need to get more of these lunatics off the street
 
2012-07-07 12:51:09 PM
When I saw the headline, I was sure it was some "tons of people come to his house and block the streets often" story. I was not expecting the "I built a giant shed on my property and started holding thrice-weekly church services, but it's just a home Bible study" angle. I wonder if his "home Bible study" groups regularly collect offerings. That could lead to an even more interesting legal mashup.
 
2012-07-07 12:51:12 PM

RoyBatty: So um, what would it take to turn my house (that I don't own) into a church and then not pay property tax on it? Would that work?


We'll start with a parking lot, then we'll add enough properly labeled emergency exits. Throw in some fire extinguishers, and you should be fine.
 
2012-07-07 12:51:43 PM

Pharque-it: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Not working is an occupation.


And.. bulimia nervosa is a diet.
 
2012-07-07 12:52:33 PM

ZAZ: RoyBatty: So um, what would it take to turn my house (that I don't own) into a church and then not pay property tax on it? Would that work?

Around here you would start using it as a church and file an abatement request with the city assessor. If you mostly used it as a house your request would be denied. As the Catholic Church shrinks cities are starting to tax genuine church buildings that are no longer used for worship.

Similarly, if you wanted your new building not to be subject to zoning you would promise it would be used for designated religious and/or educational purposes. The city would not let you treat it as your ordinary house if it had been built under the religious exemption. See "Dover amendment" if you're curious about the law of Massachusetts exempting churches from zoning.


Thank you, that was actually pretty interesting.
 
2012-07-07 12:52:39 PM

Allen. The end.: saloman: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Not playing tennis is a sport.

Nice!

/remember, it's letrole with whom you are not conversing...


You seldom see Atennis pros on the internet attacking all things tennis together
 
2012-07-07 12:53:35 PM

Allen. The end.: saloman: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Not playing tennis is a sport.

Nice!

/remember, it's letrole with whom you are not conversing...


it' his surname, he's French.
 
2012-07-07 12:54:08 PM

Allen. The end.: saloman: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Not playing tennis is a sport.

Nice!

/remember, it's letrole with whom you are not conversing...


*face palm

I should have caught that..
 
2012-07-07 12:55:06 PM

i_got_no_strings: When I saw the headline, I was sure it was some "tons of people come to his house and block the streets often" story. I was not expecting the "I built a giant shed on my property and started holding thrice-weekly church services, but it's just a home Bible study" angle. I wonder if his "home Bible study" groups regularly collect offerings. That could lead to an even more interesting legal mashup.


Would it? He's obviously already holding church services without the proper zoning or following any building codes, what more would that even add?
 
2012-07-07 12:55:07 PM

Brubold: dickfreckle: hubiestubert: It's not what happens at the meetings, but the number of people and regularity of the meetings. They could have been meeting to discuss their Fantasy Football picks or have a regular book club meeting, or be playing D&D, and it boils down to use.

You know that. I know that. But nothing will stop the persecution angle of the story. Hell, just look at the CAPS lock in the Mail headline. And they're farking British.

One of my chief irritants is with people who knowingly break codes and then cry that they're being singled out. Nowhere is this more prevalent than the homeowner who is suddenly shocked to learn that "no large yard decorations" includes flags. But hey, he's not breaking the very rules he agreed to, his Freedomtm is being assaulted by elite liberals, or whatever.

Not much difference, here. If this guy were having 12-15 cars jammed on his block for BBQs every single week, the same complaint would be made. But hey, Jesus. I guess he's exempt and fark you if you dare suggest otherwise.

I'm almost positive this story has had previous Fark threads about the situation and I'm also almost positive that, as it hints in the article, he has enough parking on his property to accommodate all of his guests. So there is no parking on the street taking place.

This is about government overreach. Pure and simple.


I'm guessing you've never done investigations for what happens when an building catches fire and people can't get out in time. It's not pretty.
 
2012-07-07 12:55:27 PM

SubBass49: If you manage to piss off ARIZONA authorities through your religious douchebaggery, then you're REALLY doing something special...


Seriously. If you've been repeatedly slapped down by the legal system in freaking phoenix for something like this, let it go man, because it's gone.
 
2012-07-07 12:55:56 PM

mikaloyd: Allen. The end.: saloman: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Not playing tennis is a sport.

Nice!

/remember, it's letrole with whom you are not conversing...

You seldom see Atennis pros on the internet attacking all things tennis together


I make fun of nascar fans all the time. Does that make anascar a religion?
 
2012-07-07 12:56:22 PM
imgc.allpostersimages.com
 
Displayed 50 of 397 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report