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(Some Guy)   AP reporter points out State Department spokeswoman's hypocrisy, to which she replies: "Matt, as you have made clear again and again in this room, we are not always consistent"   (mondoweiss.net) divider line 79
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2012-07-07 12:46:30 PM
Step 1: open your mouth
Step 2: place foot inside said mouth
 
2012-07-07 01:04:35 PM
Some countries are simply above criticism

/particularly in election years
 
2012-07-07 01:12:14 PM
When a reporter keeps framing a question with "in other words..." then he's not really asking questions.
 
2012-07-07 01:12:14 PM
It was not meant as a factual statement.

/aka, I lied. So what?
 
2012-07-07 01:12:41 PM
I'm shocked that American allies get a pass on things. Next you'll tell me that Iran and Saudi Arabia are both radical Islamic theocracies.
 
2012-07-07 01:13:00 PM
Oh Goody an Israel thread!

We were overdue for one.
 
2012-07-07 01:14:35 PM
Was the Obvious tag on vacation? When has this never been the case?
 
2012-07-07 01:16:22 PM

Fart_Machine: Was the Obvious tag on vacation? When has this never been the case?


I know, Israel has committed numerous civil rights atrocities the past few decades and they always are brushed aside by the US.

Why am I supposed to be surprised again?
 
2012-07-07 01:19:21 PM

Mrtraveler01: Oh Goody an Israel thread!

We were overdue for one.


Sadly, it's Saturday so we won't be treated to an appearance by Fark's official Likud fellator.
 
2012-07-07 01:19:47 PM

BMulligan: Mrtraveler01: Oh Goody an Israel thread!

We were overdue for one.

Sadly, it's Saturday so we won't be treated to an appearance by Fark's official Likud fellator.


Sadly?
 
2012-07-07 01:24:04 PM
Hey! You got realpolitik in my idealism!
 
2012-07-07 01:24:05 PM

BMulligan: Mrtraveler01: Oh Goody an Israel thread!

We were overdue for one.

Sadly, it's Saturday so we won't be treated to an appearance by Fark's official Likud fellator.


Maybe after sundown?

/in other news, fark needs a blinking Obvious tag for occasions like this
 
2012-07-07 01:26:33 PM

BMulligan: Mrtraveler01: Oh Goody an Israel thread!

We were overdue for one.

Sadly, it's Saturday so we won't be treated to an appearance by Fark's official Likud fellator.


He's like a Jewish vampire on the weekends.
 
2012-07-07 01:30:12 PM
Man, a lot of antisemitism in this thread. Par for the course, ain't it, libs?

/am I doing this right?
 
2012-07-07 01:30:57 PM
The Gentleman Caller:

He's like a Jewish vampire on the weekends.

lawlz
 
2012-07-07 01:31:23 PM

Testiclaw: Man, a lot of antisemitism in this thread. Par for the course, ain't it, libs?

/am I doing this right?


Bravo! It was pretty good for a half-ass attempt. ;)
 
2012-07-07 01:31:46 PM

Testiclaw: Man, a lot of antisemitism in this thread. Par for the course, ain't it, libs?

/am I doing this right?


Being anti-Israel policy is not racism.

Be better than Libs, let them do all the bullshiat "RACISM OMG" yelling.
 
2012-07-07 01:34:07 PM

Fart_Machine: Was the Obvious tag on vacation? When has this never been the case?


The State Department is just the diplomatic arm of the U.S. government. It's a political entity so of course it's going to use information to further the political aims of the U.S. without regard to consistency. Nothing a politician says can be considered a factual statement.
 
2012-07-07 01:35:46 PM
BUT IZRAELZ R TEH CHOZEN ONES!!!1!1!!11
 
2012-07-07 01:35:48 PM
The State department daily briefing is not the right place for "gotcha" questions. I happen to agree with the sentiments motivating the AP guy's questions, but come on, we all know what the briefing is for and it sure as hell isn't this. Especially when it's just the usual spokespeople up there giving the talk.

/hell, it's a 50/50 bet Victoria Nuland sympathizes with his point, too.
 
2012-07-07 01:36:23 PM

cman: Testiclaw: Man, a lot of antisemitism in this thread. Par for the course, ain't it, libs?

/am I doing this right?

Being anti-Israel policy is not racism.

Be better than Libs, let them do all the bullshiat "RACISM OMG" yelling.


Excellent point. Racism no longer exists in this country
 
2012-07-07 01:36:41 PM
Strange, where's all the Republicans? Shouldn't they be filling up this thread with their herp, their derp, and their shiat? Shouldn't they be rushing to join the chorus of criticism against the Obama Administration, since anything that makes him look bad is good? Are you telling me that we've finally found something they won't criticize Obama over?

Amazing. Republicans will criticize Obama over farking goddamn wars, but they won't criticize him over his bias for Israel -- even when it's blatantly pointed out like this, even when they could use it to score political points against him.

Israel has got a strong grip indeed on our country. It's too bad. I frankly would prefer we ditch those Bronze Age motherfarkers.
 
2012-07-07 01:37:07 PM
So who here thinks we should be threatening Israel about their nuclear program like Iran?

Yeah, thought so.
 
2012-07-07 01:39:50 PM

Seth'n'Spectrum: The State department daily briefing is not the right place for "gotcha" questions. I happen to agree with the sentiments motivating the AP guy's questions, but come on, we all know what the briefing is for and it sure as hell isn't this. Especially when it's just the usual spokespeople up there giving the talk.

/hell, it's a 50/50 bet Victoria Nuland sympathizes with his point, too.


apparently no time is right for "gotcha" questions that point out hypocrisy
 
2012-07-07 01:40:21 PM

cman: Testiclaw: Man, a lot of antisemitism in this thread. Par for the course, ain't it, libs?

/am I doing this right?

Being anti-Israel policy is not racism.

Be better than Libs, let them do all the bullshiat "RACISM OMG" yelling.


Hey look Testiclaw! You got a bite!

Nice work!
 
2012-07-07 01:40:51 PM

Mrtraveler01: Oh Goody an Israel thread!


When it comes to Israel, all American politics just go crazy.
 
2012-07-07 01:40:57 PM
Sooo......Sarah Palin is now President?
 
2012-07-07 01:41:12 PM

Mrtraveler01: Bravo! It was pretty good for a half-ass attempt. ;)


www.polyvore.com
 
2012-07-07 01:43:59 PM

wookiee cookie: Seth'n'Spectrum: The State department daily briefing is not the right place for "gotcha" questions. I happen to agree with the sentiments motivating the AP guy's questions, but come on, we all know what the briefing is for and it sure as hell isn't this. Especially when it's just the usual spokespeople up there giving the talk.

/hell, it's a 50/50 bet Victoria Nuland sympathizes with his point, too.

apparently no time is right for "gotcha" questions that point out hypocrisy


Um, it's usually better to go after a policy maker. Going after the routine day-to-day communications guys is inane and unproductive. What's the point of questioning their script when you know it's their job to stick to it even if they have no input into it?
 
2012-07-07 01:44:18 PM

Corvus: So who here thinks we should be threatening Israel about their nuclear program like Iran?

Yeah, thought so.


*raises hand*

And your point is what?
 
2012-07-07 01:47:37 PM
Why can't we just move Israel to North America? Wouldn't that solve everything? It's not anti-Semitic because I'm saying, hey, friend, move out of that bad neighborhood and move next to me.
 
2012-07-07 01:48:09 PM

Corvus: So who here thinks we should be threatening Israel about their nuclear program like Iran?

Yeah, thought so.


I dunno about threats for either, but I don't think Israel deserves nukes. That whole "But we have to have an existential deterrent" doesn't really wash: If all of the Arab nations launched every conventional ballistic at Israel, ain't nothin' a nuke is gonna do to stop them. It's not like suicide bombers show a whole lot of regard for themselves, see? And the more and more Israel shows its arse in the arena of human rights, the less and less they seem the responsible kind of nation that should hold nukes.
 
2012-07-07 01:51:21 PM

Seth'n'Spectrum: wookiee cookie: Seth'n'Spectrum: The State department daily briefing is not the right place for "gotcha" questions. I happen to agree with the sentiments motivating the AP guy's questions, but come on, we all know what the briefing is for and it sure as hell isn't this. Especially when it's just the usual spokespeople up there giving the talk.

/hell, it's a 50/50 bet Victoria Nuland sympathizes with his point, too.

apparently no time is right for "gotcha" questions that point out hypocrisy

Um, it's usually better to go after a policy maker. Going after the routine day-to-day communications guys is inane and unproductive. What's the point of questioning their script when you know it's their job to stick to it even if they have no input into it?


to draw attention to the obvious hypocrisy?

/just guessing here
 
2012-07-07 01:51:23 PM

The Gentleman Caller: BMulligan: Mrtraveler01: Oh Goody an Israel thread!

We were overdue for one.

Sadly, it's Saturday so we won't be treated to an appearance by Fark's official Likud fellator.

He's like a Jewish vampire on the weekends.


I don't think that would work; blood isn't kosher.
 
2012-07-07 01:54:26 PM

wookiee cookie: Seth'n'Spectrum: wookiee cookie: Seth'n'Spectrum: The State department daily briefing is not the right place for "gotcha" questions. I happen to agree with the sentiments motivating the AP guy's questions, but come on, we all know what the briefing is for and it sure as hell isn't this. Especially when it's just the usual spokespeople up there giving the talk.

/hell, it's a 50/50 bet Victoria Nuland sympathizes with his point, too.

apparently no time is right for "gotcha" questions that point out hypocrisy

Um, it's usually better to go after a policy maker. Going after the routine day-to-day communications guys is inane and unproductive. What's the point of questioning their script when you know it's their job to stick to it even if they have no input into it?

to draw attention to the obvious hypocrisy?

/just guessing here


You can do that elsewhere, with more effect. The State department daily briefings are basically just pro forma venues where reporters can get the official line on new developments. It's a necessary part of journalism, not the flashy part. You have to get the government line somewhere, and that's where you get it.
 
2012-07-07 01:56:17 PM

Nem Wan: Why can't we just move Israel to North America? Wouldn't that solve everything? It's not anti-Semitic because I'm saying, hey, friend, move out of that bad neighborhood and move next to me.


Yes, but then the Muslims would control the various "holy" patches of dirt, and the fundamentalist Christians and Jews just can't have that!
 
2012-07-07 01:58:48 PM
And the LORD said "You shall kill your son, Isaacyour blog sucks."
 
2012-07-07 01:59:14 PM

Nem Wan: Why can't we just move Israel to North America?


Been done; did not solve problem.
 
2012-07-07 02:03:29 PM
If I said Tatsuma was not credible on Israel threads but apparently very credible on Iran threads, many FARKers would agree with me (based on not much apart from what they read in FARK threads.)

If I said Human Rights Watch was not credible on Israel threads but possibly credible on Syria threads, many FARKers would say, "huh?"

Wikipedia: Criticism of Human Rights Watch / Allegations of anti-Israel bias

When Matt Lee points out that the State Department's reliance on a third party may depend in part on who at that third party is presenting what, it may be a case of blatant hypocrisy by the State Department, or it may be a question of trying to use an unreliable measuring device to make the best measurements you can. That is, it depends on what you are measuring, when, how, and what alternatives you have.

I would say when Syria has as much media floating around it as freely as Israel does, then perhaps there will be better sources than HRW. But HRW is perhaps the best source at the moment in Syria. In Israel, there are probably better sources than HRW.

This is not a case of using a reliable ruler to measure two sheets of paper.
 
2012-07-07 02:08:49 PM
Goyal.
 
2012-07-07 02:10:29 PM

Seth'n'Spectrum: wookiee cookie: Seth'n'Spectrum: wookiee cookie: Seth'n'Spectrum: The State department daily briefing is not the right place for "gotcha" questions. I happen to agree with the sentiments motivating the AP guy's questions, but come on, we all know what the briefing is for and it sure as hell isn't this. Especially when it's just the usual spokespeople up there giving the talk.

/hell, it's a 50/50 bet Victoria Nuland sympathizes with his point, too.

apparently no time is right for "gotcha" questions that point out hypocrisy

Um, it's usually better to go after a policy maker. Going after the routine day-to-day communications guys is inane and unproductive. What's the point of questioning their script when you know it's their job to stick to it even if they have no input into it?

to draw attention to the obvious hypocrisy?

/just guessing here

You can do that elsewhere, with more effect. The State department daily briefings are basically just pro forma venues where reporters can get the official line on new developments. It's a necessary part of journalism, not the flashy part. You have to get the government line somewhere, and that's where you get it.


and yet attention was drawn, mission accomplished

also, mucky-mucks don't like to be gotchaed directly face-to-face so they will deny access to reporters who will or have called out hypocrisy, ignorance, corruption etc

the spokeperson could've answered a different way, "i'll direct you to blah blah blah or we're here to discuss yada yada", and attention would be less likely to be drawn, but they bungled it, so here we are

sounds like you have a some kind of stake in white knighting the cogs of the apparatus
 
2012-07-07 02:11:04 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Goyal.


I thought she was calling on loyal goyim.
 
2012-07-07 02:39:55 PM
The State Department treats the most recent Human Right's Watch report on Assad's mass arrests/ tortures/ murders as credible and justification for western involvement but dismisses HRW's reports as over stated politically motivated propaganda when Israel or other ostensible American allies are the ones being criticized?

Yeah, that's a problem.

People suggesting that the reporter was out of line for bringing this up in this venue are also a problem.

It's easy to roll one's eyes here and say "same as it ever was".

Too easy.
 
2012-07-07 02:59:56 PM

Dwight_Yeast: The Gentleman Caller: BMulligan: Mrtraveler01: Oh Goody an Israel thread!

We were overdue for one.

Sadly, it's Saturday so we won't be treated to an appearance by Fark's official Likud fellator.

He's like a Jewish vampire on the weekends.

I don't think that would work; blood isn't kosher.


Actually, vampires do have some foundation in Jewish myth. Lilith, Adam's first wife, was supposed to be the mother of all vampires.
 
2012-07-07 03:11:14 PM

LoneWolf343: Adam's first wife, was supposed to be the mother of all vampires.


To be fair, a lot of guys feel that way about their first wives.
 
2012-07-07 03:25:24 PM

RoyBatty: If I said Human Rights Watch was not credible on Israel threads but possibly credible on Syria threads, many FARKers would say, "huh?"

Wikipedia: Criticism of Human Rights Watch / Allegations of anti-Israel bias


Which sums up to "don't you dare criticize Israel or you hate the Israelis" derp. Notice I left out "hate the Jews" but that's stage 2 of the talking points.
 
2012-07-07 03:38:35 PM

Fart_Machine: RoyBatty: If I said Human Rights Watch was not credible on Israel threads but possibly credible on Syria threads, many FARKers would say, "huh?"

Wikipedia: Criticism of Human Rights Watch / Allegations of anti-Israel bias

Which sums up to "don't you dare criticize Israel or you hate the Israelis" derp. Notice I left out "hate the Jews" but that's stage 2 of the talking points.


i.imgur.com

Yes, I can see how you might sum up that wiki page as "don't you dare criticize Israel or you hate the Israelis" derp. Notice I left out "hate the Jews" but that's stage 2 of the talking points.
 
2012-07-07 03:44:02 PM

RoyBatty: Fart_Machine: RoyBatty: If I said Human Rights Watch was not credible on Israel threads but possibly credible on Syria threads, many FARKers would say, "huh?"

Wikipedia: Criticism of Human Rights Watch / Allegations of anti-Israel bias

Which sums up to "don't you dare criticize Israel or you hate the Israelis" derp. Notice I left out "hate the Jews" but that's stage 2 of the talking points.

[i.imgur.com image 443x672]

Yes, I can see how you might sum up that wiki page as "don't you dare criticize Israel or you hate the Israelis" derp. Notice I left out "hate the Jews" but that's stage 2 of the talking points.


What exactly do you think "Anti-Israel bias" is?
 
2012-07-07 03:47:26 PM
Interestingly enough further down your link it states they've been accused of "Pro-Israel bias". So which is it?
 
2012-07-07 03:54:55 PM

Testiclaw: LoneWolf343: Adam's first wife, was supposed to be the mother of all vampires.

To be fair, a lot of guys feel that way about their first wives.


Like Woody Allen said, you only have a wife for the duration of the marriage, but an ex-wife is for life.
 
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