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(Sun Sentinel)   Scientists insist that toxicologists were wrong and the Florida face-eater was indeed high on bath salts and synthetic marijuana and they lied in order to protect the synthetic drug industry   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 119
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2012-07-07 01:13:21 PM
Which is all a conspiracy to hide the zombie apocalyse.

/Walking Dead Marathon on AMC
//First "Carl stay here" scene
 
2012-07-07 01:33:22 PM
I'm skeptical of their skepticism. He was high on life which is why he couldn't go on livin'.
 
2012-07-07 01:39:17 PM

OtherLittleGuy: /Walking Dead Marathon on AMC
//First "Carl stay here" scene


Yeah, watching.....
 
2012-07-07 02:22:27 PM
It's tough to test for something you don't even know exists.
 
2012-07-07 02:33:25 PM
who farking cares?
 
2012-07-07 02:34:13 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Which is all a conspiracy to hide the zombie apocalyse.

/Walking Dead Marathon on AMC



img839.imageshack.us

*head nod, smirk, squint, smirk, head nod, scratch, smirk, squint*

"Hey, Rick... m'ask you somefin' 'bout dem bath salts, man..."
 
2012-07-07 02:43:12 PM

Jamdug!: It's tough to test for something you don't even know exists.


Word.
It sure as hell wasn't weed that made him behave that way. Do they even have an accurate test for bath salts?
 
2012-07-07 03:03:01 PM

AbbeySomeone: Jamdug!: It's tough to test for something you don't even know exists.

Word.
It sure as hell wasn't weed that made him behave that way. Do they even have an accurate test for bath salts?


No they don't - the street chemists change the psychoactive ingredients so often that authorities don't even know what to look for. By the time there's a test for one, it's already on a third or fourth variation.
 
2012-07-07 03:34:58 PM

AbbeySomeone: It sure as hell wasn't weed that made him behave that way.


Are you sure? Maybe he was hyper sensitive to weed
 
2012-07-07 03:35:46 PM

Jamdug!: No they don't - the street chemists change the psychoactive ingredients so often that authorities don't even know what to look for. By the time there's a test for one, it's already on a third or fourth variation.


There could be other factors too. Like using discount kitchenware made in China that's full of lead to cook up their poison.
 
2012-07-07 03:37:10 PM

basemetal: OtherLittleGuy: /Walking Dead Marathon on AMC
//First "Carl stay here" scene

Yeah, watching.....


I am not, Dish network subscriber....
 
2012-07-07 03:39:05 PM
So our cannibal friend went to his local dealer for some weed and ended up with some bunk ass ragweed that had been treated with bath salts and food coloring. I'm sure it was named purple kushberry or some other such nonsense.
 
2012-07-07 03:39:29 PM
Sounds like a viral marketing campaign for Reefer Madness 2.
 
2012-07-07 03:40:06 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Which is all a conspiracy to hide the zombie apocalyse.

/Walking Dead Marathon on AMC
//First "Carl stay here" scene


"Hey Rick...lemme ask you sumtin..."

encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-07-07 03:40:12 PM

generallyso: Sounds like a viral marketing campaign for Reefer Madness 2.


Bath Salt Madness!
 
2012-07-07 03:40:57 PM
everything about this is like a nexus of potential between funny and scary
 
TKM
2012-07-07 03:43:17 PM
Have any bath salt factories suffered mysterious employee problems yet?

I had a friend who worked in a vitamin plant and they'd get exposed to stuff all of the time.
 
2012-07-07 03:43:35 PM
Wait, back up. BEEP BEEP BEEP.

Is subby implying that marijuana doesn't turn normal people into face eating monsters? Because that goes against everything DARE taught me.
 
2012-07-07 03:43:46 PM
Everybody knows the Devil's weed only makes minorities rape and murder white women, William Randolph Hearst told me so.
 
2012-07-07 03:45:01 PM

mikaloyd: AbbeySomeone: It sure as hell wasn't weed that made him behave that way.

Are you sure? Maybe he was hyper sensitive to weed


Or just the munchies part ?
 
2012-07-07 03:46:29 PM
"trace" amounts of marijuana.. it wasn't the weed that caused him to go all zombie, it was the lack of weed that had him so upset that he beat and rage munchied a homeless person

or maybe it was the bath salts he was smoking
 
2012-07-07 03:48:00 PM
Say what you want about this guy, stoner or bath salt maniac, he took a big old bite out of life.
 
2012-07-07 03:49:12 PM
I'm having trouble reconciling

Article: There are too many types of synthetic drugs and they're constantly changing, so it's impossible to test them all.

with

Subby: They lied in a conspiracy to protect the synthetic drug industry!

Am I misreading something?
 
2012-07-07 03:50:39 PM
I don't believe the industry is powerful enough to hold that much influence. It's more likely they covered it up because people resorting to smoking legal 'bath salts' is the best argument for legalization of harmless old mary jane in a long time.
 
2012-07-07 03:51:30 PM

cretinbob: who farking cares?


There are a lot of people with an interest in keeping marijuana illegal. You have various law enforcement agencies, private prisons and tactical supply companies who have a vested interest in locking users and dealers up. You also have various pharmaceutical companies who see marijuana as a competitor to their own drugs.

These groups want to continue the stigma that marijuana is a dangerous substance that can cause reefer madness as opposed to it being a recreational drug that is in many ways safer than alcohol. Decriminalization and even legalization would be bad business for them. So people do care right now... because there is an active political movement to get it reclassified.
 
2012-07-07 03:52:17 PM

Jamdug!: It's tough to test for something you don't even know exists.


CERN did it.
 
2012-07-07 03:53:00 PM
Bath salts, also known as synthetic amphetamines, are also hard to track for the same reason.

Marijuana, pot, whatever you want to call it is NOT k2 or any type of synthetic anything.
The damn article seems to be intentionally written to confuse the reader.
 
2012-07-07 03:53:15 PM
I'm Going with demon possession. It's equally scientific (zero percent) and even more scary.
 
2012-07-07 03:53:41 PM
And if you tried to track the base chemicals for bath salt from manufacturer to legit endusers the pharma lobby would go nuts

/almost as if they were on bath salts
 
2012-07-07 03:53:47 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Jamdug!: It's tough to test for something you don't even know exists.

CERN did it.


We gonna need a bigger cannibal accelerator
 
2012-07-07 03:56:11 PM

Just another Heartland Weirdass: I'm Going with demon possession. It's equally scientific (zero percent) and even more scary.


The absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence!!!
 
2012-07-07 03:57:31 PM
Just think if bathsalts users were imprisoned it perhaps could solve the overcrowding and double-bunking issue.
 
2012-07-07 03:58:04 PM
Was it lupus?
 
2012-07-07 03:59:34 PM
I'm waiting for a sequel to 'Caged Heat.' Maybe 'Cannibal Prison Sluts.'
 
2012-07-07 04:00:27 PM
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Bath salts, you say? Yes, that sounds delightful!
 
2012-07-07 04:05:13 PM

Oznog: Just another Heartland Weirdass: I'm Going with demon possession. It's equally scientific (zero percent) and even more scary.

The absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence!!!


So the default is that he had all compounds in his system until they prove which ones were not present? Then Im going with oxides of plutonium and mardis gras bead lustre causing this.
 
2012-07-07 04:07:02 PM
Why does he even have to be on anything? Couldn't he just have been nuts? In every mental ward there are a few five point rooms where they just have to chain somone down for a few hours because no drug is going to bring them back.
 
2012-07-07 04:07:12 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again- weed may make you hungry enough to eat a guy, but it will completely rob you of any motivation to track, hunt, kill, and dress your own "dangerous game," and inherently instills far too much empathy in the user to violate natural order in such a way.

Synthetic amphetamines, conversely, rob you of your appetite but make the hunting and killing part seem like a really good idea.

Homey was on bath salts.
 
2012-07-07 04:07:28 PM
I'm going with Occam's razor. He was simply batshiat insane.
 
2012-07-07 04:07:42 PM
www.trbimg.com

YOU GONNA GET ATE
 
2012-07-07 04:08:02 PM
He was high on Jesus. Test for that.
 
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2012-07-07 04:11:49 PM
maybe a bad hit of acid? you know, instead of of "look i can fly!!!" it was more of a " 1,2,3,4, i declare a face eating war!!!!"
 
2012-07-07 04:12:23 PM
Guy smoked some pot that was laced with "a little somethin' extra" and it made him batshiat nutso. Matches the story from people who knew him that he wasn't much of a druggy. And it was the middle of the damn day -- dude was just cruising around town.

If pot was legal, he could have bought a joint at the corner store from a regulated source, and been totally fine. But we've got private prison operators and pharmaceutical companies that need the money, so...
 
2012-07-07 04:13:43 PM
Man, how much must your life suck that you are doing bath salts to escape reality?

Now where is my beer?
 
2012-07-07 04:13:49 PM
There are large possibilities of variation in these substances, but they have commonalities that can be tested for. Case of traditional hallucinogens, the tryptamine arm would be the target of choice. Analysts are not completely in the dark, they get a characteristic spike for typical bonds.
 
2012-07-07 04:18:59 PM

AbbeySomeone: Jamdug!: It's tough to test for something you don't even know exists.

Word.
It sure as hell wasn't weed that made him behave that way. Do they even have an accurate test for bath salts?


are you sure?? one time i wasn't even on weed and went outside naked. maybe weed is the culprit!!
 
2012-07-07 04:25:57 PM
If synthetic marijuana does this to people I can't imagine what the real thing would do.
 
2012-07-07 04:34:04 PM
I arrested a female for DUI and she was really jittery, constantly moving, constantly talking, and generally behaving strangely. In her car, I found a bag of some "potpourri," aka synthetic marijuana known as spice. I made the arrest and she blew as being over the limit and she told me she had smoked some of the stuff. I submitted the spice package for lab testing.

The Miami Dade county medical examiner's lab results came back as negative for any drugs; just like Mr. Eugene's blood reports.

She said it was like smoking burning plastic
 
2012-07-07 04:36:51 PM

Jamdug!: By the time there's a test for one, it's already on a third or fourth variation.


If only there were some natural, organic drugs that could be taxed, regulated and legalized, maybe people wouldn't go mixing drano, cow manure and jujubees, boiling the mixture in rubbing alcohol and then filtering it through a syphilitic hookers wet panties before shooting it in their eyeballs.
 
2012-07-07 04:37:29 PM
Oh, and I call total bullshiat on the synthetic marijuana. It's nothing but a waste of money.
 
2012-07-07 04:53:25 PM

cretinbob: Jamdug!: By the time there's a test for one, it's already on a third or fourth variation.

If only there were some natural, organic drugs that could be taxed, regulated and legalized, maybe people wouldn't go mixing drano, cow manure and jujubees, boiling the mixture in rubbing alcohol and then filtering it through a syphilitic hookers wet panties before shooting it in their eyeballs.


That's a bit harsh. What I do on a Friday night is none of your damn business.
 
2012-07-07 04:58:53 PM

signaljammer: There are large possibilities of variation in these substances, but they have commonalities that can be tested for. Case of traditional hallucinogens, the tryptamine arm would be the target of choice. Analysts are not completely in the dark, they get a characteristic spike for typical bonds.


There are plenty of naturally occurring substances that have the same structures; in the case of the tryptamines, for instance, there is first of all tryptamine itself, DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, all of which are natural metabolic byproducts which can vary in concentration from one individual to another. If it was as easy as you seem to think to identify these new substances they would not be unidentified.
 
2012-07-07 04:58:56 PM
So who's funding Umbrella Corporation so we can do some Retribution before it becomes a full-blown Apocalypse? We've got to do something before this lead to the Extinction of the human race, or we will all join the Afterlife.
 
2012-07-07 05:06:52 PM

cretinbob: Oh, and I call total bullshiat on the synthetic marijuana. It's nothing but a waste of money.


Depends on how you define "waste of money." If you mean it's a bag of oregano, no, it certainly contains chemical that have effects similar to THC. Having said that, practically everyone who tries the stuff finds that it is a pretty shiatty substitute with more adverse side effects.
 
2012-07-07 05:08:06 PM

cretinbob: If only there were some natural, organic drugs that could be taxed, regulated and legalized, maybe people wouldn't go mixing drano, cow manure and jujubees, boiling the mixture in rubbing alcohol and then filtering it through a syphilitic hookers wet panties before shooting it in their eyeballs.


I just sent that to one of my pro-weed friends. I'm sure he'll be carrying it on a picket sign or a tshirt at some point...
 
2012-07-07 05:20:55 PM

Jamdug!: It's tough to test for something you don't even know exists.


Yes--I listened to Dr. Drew talk about this yesterday. He is not a medical marijuana supporter or advocate for weed in any way, but didn't believe for a second weed caused this behavior. He did say the reason bath salts arent illegal is they keep changing the formula. That's the same reason they wouldn't have an accurate test, they don't know exactly what to test for.

/ended on for. Sorry
 
2012-07-07 05:25:34 PM

Oznog: Just another Heartland Weirdass: I'm Going with demon possession. It's equally scientific (zero percent) and even more scary.

The absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence!!!


Actually that's not necessarily true. With some basic Bayesian probability theory(A method of updating the probability you should assign to particular beliefs based on new evidence/experience) you can show that if it is possible to receive supporting evidence for a belief, but you don't, then you should assign a lower(as compared to the point in time before you checked if you received that evidence) probability to that belief being true.

/The more you know...
 
2012-07-07 05:38:50 PM
The absence of evidence is NOT evidence of
absence!!!
www.magiclanterngraphics.com/The more you know...
 
2012-07-07 05:45:48 PM

Boatmech: The absence of evidence is NOT evidence of
absence!!!
[www.magiclanterngraphics.com image 260x260]/The more you know...


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-07-07 05:47:58 PM

Boatmech: Bath salts, also known as synthetic amphetamines, are also hard to track for the same reason.

Marijuana, pot, whatever you want to call it is NOT k2 or any type of synthetic anything.
The damn article seems to be intentionally written to confuse the reader.


Two article topics journalists always seem to fark up: 1) drugs and 2) guns.
 
2012-07-07 06:01:19 PM
One of the strongest arguments for legalization is the fact that, once safely regulated FDA drugs are available, people would drop the street corner drugs like a zombie hooker just for the safety guarantee alone.

After the "Fast and Furious" scandal, though, I'm pretty suspicious of arguments that are just way too picture-perfect to be real. Someone's staging and manipulating these crimes to panic us into doing what they want without thinking about the arguments against it.

/Lenin also thought his ideas were so perfect the entire world needed to be forced to adopt them for their own good
//better pray Obama's ideas really are perfect, because we're all gonna take them up the ass no matter what
///and if there's even the slightest imperfection, the damage will tear the US apart before anyone will admit it exists
 
2012-07-07 06:03:51 PM
""His behavior was consistent with someone who was delusional and hallucinating, which would be consistent with bath salts," Logan said."

Yeah, bath salts and a bunch of other mental illnesses that can be exacerbated by marijuana use. Just ask any M.D. addiction specialist.

These guys are just out to use this guy's sensational case in their war on so called "designer drugs". Certainly these drugs need to be regulated the same as any other dangerous drugs in this country, whether narcotics, chemo drugs, or aspirin.

But when it is "war on drugs" territory some people see it as part of their culture war.
 
2012-07-07 06:12:09 PM

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2012-07-07 06:13:11 PM
Can a muthafarker just be hungry?
 
2012-07-07 06:15:09 PM

Tatterdemalian: One of the strongest arguments for legalization is the fact that, once safely regulated FDA drugs are available, people would drop the street corner drugs like a zombie hooker just for the safety guarantee alone.

After the "Fast and Furious" scandal, though, I'm pretty suspicious of arguments that are just way too picture-perfect to be real. Someone's staging and manipulating these crimes to panic us into doing what they want without thinking about the arguments against it.

/Lenin also thought his ideas were so perfect the entire world needed to be forced to adopt them for their own good
//better pray Obama's ideas really are perfect, because we're all gonna take them up the ass no matter what
///and if there's even the slightest imperfection, the damage will tear the US apart before anyone will admit it exists


Is your derp so strong you have to spew in threads that have nothing to do with it?
 
2012-07-07 06:21:04 PM
Yea I like my weed with 70 compounds in it! The organic stuff is for hippies.
 
2012-07-07 06:25:05 PM
malaktaus :
Nah, I never used the word easy. What you are implicitly proposing is that the recreational drug community can invent useful, but utterly unknown to science, agents more readily than skilled techs can find them even though they have a good idea of their general structure. This is as hard to swallow as a jag-bag of mescaline.

I knew a guy who was heavily into STP(DOM) for awhile. Five years later he tried to be an Air Force pilot. Yup, they sampled him successfully and rejected him.
 
2012-07-07 06:27:13 PM
Furthermore, the analysts stated positively that they found nothing, they did not report that they found something unknown.
 
2012-07-07 06:27:58 PM

Tatterdemalian: One of the strongest arguments for legalization is the fact that, once safely regulated FDA drugs are available, people would drop the street corner drugs like a zombie hooker just for the safety guarantee alone.

After the "Fast and Furious" scandal, though, I'm pretty suspicious of arguments that are just way too picture-perfect to be real. Someone's staging and manipulating these crimes to panic us into doing what they want without thinking about the arguments against it.

/Lenin also thought his ideas were so perfect the entire world needed to be forced to adopt them for their own good
//better pray Obama's ideas really are perfect, because we're all gonna take them up the ass no matter what
///and if there's even the slightest imperfection, the damage will tear the US apart before anyone will admit it exists



This is your brain on spice
 
2012-07-07 06:29:02 PM

J-stroy: Just think if bathsalts users were imprisoned it perhaps could solve the overcrowding and double-bunking issue.


I snorted and laughed at the same time . Now I have Panda Express fried rice up my nose. Thanks!
 
2012-07-07 06:30:10 PM

Tatterdemalian: One of the strongest arguments for legalization is the fact that, once safely regulated FDA drugs are available, people would drop the street corner drugs like a zombie hooker just for the safety guarantee alone.


If that were true cannabis would already be fully decriminalized. The powers that be do not want to allow that because they know that people will simply choose to grow their own at home and bypass the regulation/taxation aspect of the process.

Also, anyone who has taken (and passed) at least high school chemistry/biology should know better than to use any form of amphetamine. It's the closest thing to the old commercials of "this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs." Cannabis overall is one of the safer things you can put in your body, to this day there has never been a death from cannabis intoxication alone.
 
2012-07-07 06:32:51 PM
Have they considered that maybe the guy was just batshiat crazy?

It doesn't always have to be something that caused it. Sometimes people are just plain farked up.
 
2012-07-07 06:33:13 PM

4seasons85!: J-stroy: Just think if bathsalts users were imprisoned it perhaps could solve the overcrowding and double-bunking issue.

I snorted and laughed at the same time . Now I have Panda Express fried rice up my nose. Thanks!


They should sell bath salts in the prison store.
 
2012-07-07 06:34:57 PM

cretinbob: who farking cares?


Look here. If the police are going to be limited to silly things like toxicology reports, how are they expected to defend shooting unarmed people who were "acting like they were on something"?
 
2012-07-07 06:35:44 PM
Weasels (on bath salts) ripped my flesh.
 
2012-07-07 06:38:05 PM

SquiggsIN: Tatterdemalian:

..... to this day there has never been a death from cannabis intoxication alone.


So you're sayin' it'ssquackle.com?
 
2012-07-07 06:38:32 PM

AbbeySomeone: Jamdug!: It's tough to test for something you don't even know exists.

Word.
It sure as hell wasn't weed that made him behave that way. Do they even have an accurate test for bath salts?


Designer drugs are a law enforcement and medical nightmare.
 
2012-07-07 06:50:28 PM

signaljammer: What you are implicitly proposing is that the recreational drug community can invent useful, but utterly unknown to science, agents more readily than skilled techs can find them even though they have a good idea of their general structure. This is as hard to swallow as a jag-bag of mescaline.


And yet this is exactly what has happened. And I don't know what your anecdote has to do with anything, DOM is a known substance with a long history of human use. You show a poor understanding of the problem if you think it's the recreational drug community inventing this stuff, a lot of it is invented by legitimate brain researchers and a lot of the rest is invented by trained chemists, often Chinese, who have no interest in using drugs themselves.
 
2012-07-07 06:52:27 PM

Boatmech: SquiggsIN: Tatterdemalian:

..... to this day there has never been a death from cannabis intoxication alone.

So you're sayin' it's[squackle.com image 498x535]?


all you care about is death.
don't you care about life

how many pothead chicks do u know that actually put out. i rest my case
 
2012-07-07 06:52:46 PM

signaljammer: Furthermore, the analysts stated positively that they found nothing, they did not report that they found something unknown.


Okay, now I can only assume you're trolling. You can't really be this stupid.
 
2012-07-07 06:57:08 PM

malaktaus: signaljammer: Furthermore, the analysts stated positively that they found nothing, they did not report that they found something unknown.

Okay, now I can only assume you're trolling. You can't really be this stupid.


He's confused, for sure. How can you find something unknown?
 
2012-07-07 06:58:11 PM
"His behavior was consistent with someone who was delusional and hallucinating, which would be consistent with bath salts," Logan said.


Or It could be consistent with someone who is just plain batsh*t crazy.
 
2012-07-07 07:01:33 PM

Gyrfalcon: malaktaus: signaljammer: Furthermore, the analysts stated positively that they found nothing, they did not report that they found something unknown.

Okay, now I can only assume you're trolling. You can't really be this stupid.

He's confused, for sure. How can you find something unknown?


You might be able to if that's what you set out to do, but it would be a hell of a lot more complicated than a simple toxicology test.
 
2012-07-07 07:08:49 PM
Toxicologists are at a huge disadvantage with these synthetics. Even when you're testing the pure drug, it can be a pain because it's a total unknown. In human blood or urine, it's effectively looking for a needle in a haystack. Except that you don't know which haystack or even which farm. And none of these are technically controlled substances unless the DEA decides to income the analog rule, which is rare.

The moral of the story is: drink your booze, smoke your weed, eat your mushrooms, and stay the fark away from the synthetics.
 
2012-07-07 07:12:09 PM
malakatus

Your rush to insult me indicates that you probably have frontal-lobe issues--please stay away from recreational drugs.

I presume they perform spectro, I'm not an expert, but my son has been running an NMR at Uni for years and chats with me about it on occasion. It would be a simple matter to test a sample for certain functional groups associated with classes of drugs.

Really, when you consider them as classes, discovery of new drugs is a highly unusual occurrence.
 
2012-07-07 07:15:19 PM
Considering that whenever I smoke pot I usually end up eating Jack-in-the-Box, eating a dog or someone's face isn't really all that far fetched. Atleast the dog is fresh and not fried in month old oil.
 
2012-07-07 07:15:31 PM
Can someone tell me why Americans let corporations test them for drugs in exchange for the privilege of having a job? It's disgraceful.
 
2012-07-07 07:16:55 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Boatmech: SquiggsIN: Tatterdemalian:

..... to this day there has never been a death from cannabis intoxication alone.

So you're sayin' it's[squackle.com image 498x535]?

all you care about is death.
don't you care about life

how many pothead chicks do u know that actually put out. i rest my case


t0.gstatic.com
www.hdherd.com
Your case has been rested.
 
2012-07-07 07:21:10 PM
Certainly I would like to avoid being misconstrewn. I never meant to imply that using drugs would preclude one from designing them, there are plenty of object examples to the contrary.
 
2012-07-07 07:22:27 PM

signaljammer: Your rush to insult me indicates that you probably have frontal-lobe issues--please stay away from recreational drugs.


If you say something stupid and ignorant, I'm going to call it stupid, and I don't apologize. Toxicology tests look for known substances, this shiat isn't CSI: Miami and they are not miracle workers. Furthermore, identifying these new substances is oviously fairly difficult, unless you're saying this is all a big government conspiracy, in which case you should lay off the paint chips.
 
2012-07-07 07:28:40 PM

Jabberwookiee: cretinbob: Jamdug!: By the time there's a test for one, it's already on a third or fourth variation.

If only there were some natural, organic drugs that could be taxed, regulated and legalized, maybe people wouldn't go mixing drano, cow manure and jujubees, boiling the mixture in rubbing alcohol and then filtering it through a syphilitic hookers wet panties before shooting it in their eyeballs.

That's a bit harsh. What I do on a Friday night is none of your damn business.


Welcome to favorites!
 
2012-07-07 08:00:04 PM

Gyrfalcon: malaktaus: signaljammer: Furthermore, the analysts stated positively that they found nothing, they did not report that they found something unknown.

Okay, now I can only assume you're trolling. You can't really be this stupid.

He's confused, for sure. How can you find something unknown?


Ah, how soon people forget Balco. This is the reason why Balco got away with doping athletes for so long. They created compounds that wouldn't be picked up by any test for PEDs because the compounds were unknown. It wasn't until somebody took one of their drugs to one of the governing bodies to be tested that they were found out. This is the same thing that has been going on with these designer drugs for years. Once the law figures one of them out and makes it illegal, they come up with a new compound that won't show up on any test and isn't illegal because it is unknown.
 
2012-07-07 08:37:59 PM

signaljammer: malaktaus :
Nah, I never used the word easy. What you are implicitly proposing is that the recreational drug community can invent useful, but utterly unknown to science, agents more readily than skilled techs can find them even though they have a good idea of their general structure. This is as hard to swallow as a jag-bag of mescaline.

I knew a guy who was heavily into STP(DOM) for awhile. Five years later he tried to be an Air Force pilot. Yup, they sampled him successfully and rejected him.


I would think it's organized crime paying out of work chemists or brilliant immigrant PhDs languishing in a shiatty cab job to cook new variants up. I doubt the "recreational drug community" is behind this. Organized crime is all about R&D when it comes to cooking up new drugs, transport methods, computer scams and all that.

There's probably some freelancer chemists selling formulas online looking to supplement their income as well.
 
2012-07-07 09:05:17 PM

fragMasterFlash: So our cannibal friend went to his local dealer for some weed and ended up with some bunk ass ragweed that had been treated with bath salts and food coloring. I'm sure it was named purple kushberryberry kush or some other such nonsense.



Yes I have some. Yes I'm feeling a bit hungry. You know those munchies that you just can't cure?


/green crack is also a favorite
 
2012-07-07 09:12:29 PM

mikaloyd: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Jamdug!: It's tough to test for something you don't even know exists.

CERN did it.

We gonna need a bigger cannibal accelerator


We could try flinging them from a trébuchet or drop them from altitude...
 
2012-07-07 09:13:15 PM

Chuckus: signaljammer: malaktaus :
Nah, I never used the word easy. What you are implicitly proposing is that the recreational drug community can invent useful, but utterly unknown to science, agents more readily than skilled techs can find them even though they have a good idea of their general structure. This is as hard to swallow as a jag-bag of mescaline.

I knew a guy who was heavily into STP(DOM) for awhile. Five years later he tried to be an Air Force pilot. Yup, they sampled him successfully and rejected him.

I would think it's organized crime paying out of work chemists or brilliant immigrant PhDs languishing in a shiatty cab job to cook new variants up. I doubt the "recreational drug community" is behind this. Organized crime is all about R&D when it comes to cooking up new drugs, transport methods, computer scams and all that.

There's probably some freelancer chemists selling formulas online looking to supplement their income as well.


It is a lot simpler than that. It is just chemist who have figured out that they can make more money making and selling designer drugs than they can working legit. I remember watching one of the news magazine shows years ago were they interviewed this guy who had a PHD in chemistry but was in jail for illegally selling chemicals used to make meth and designer drugs. He said he started out making designer drugs because he could make more money doing that than being a legit chemist, but once the law got all over him he decided to stop and go into the chemical sales business. But he was saying that there are thousands of chemist making designer drugs out there.
 
2012-07-07 09:16:36 PM
Cannibal. Cannabis. Coincidence? I think not!

/ sure this joke has been made but
 
2012-07-07 09:18:12 PM
I think I kinda wanna try me some of them bath salts.
 
2012-07-07 09:31:37 PM

Polyron: Umbrella


I'm outta here
 
2012-07-07 09:39:08 PM
Some entrepreneur will market "Zombie Kush" or something similar....
 
2012-07-07 09:58:41 PM

ongbok: Gyrfalcon: malaktaus: signaljammer: Furthermore, the analysts stated positively that they found nothing, they did not report that they found something unknown.

Okay, now I can only assume you're trolling. You can't really be this stupid.

He's confused, for sure. How can you find something unknown?

Ah, how soon people forget Balco. This is the reason why Balco got away with doping athletes for so long. They created compounds that wouldn't be picked up by any test for PEDs because the compounds were unknown. It wasn't until somebody took one of their drugs to one of the governing bodies to be tested that they were found out. This is the same thing that has been going on with these designer drugs for years. Once the law figures one of them out and makes it illegal, they come up with a new compound that won't show up on any test and isn't illegal because it is unknown.


My point. You have to be looking for something never before seen, and most cop labs are not looking for that. That's what research labs have to do.
 
2012-07-07 10:27:22 PM

Tatterdemalian: One of the strongest arguments for legalization is the fact that, once safely regulated FDA drugs are available, people would drop the street corner drugs like a zombie hooker just for the safety guarantee alone.

After the "Fast and Furious" scandal, though, I'm pretty suspicious of arguments that are just way too picture-perfect to be real. Someone's staging and manipulating these crimes to panic us into doing what they want without thinking about the arguments against it.

/Lenin also thought his ideas were so perfect the entire world needed to be forced to adopt them for their own good
//better pray Obama's ideas really are perfect, because we're all gonna take them up the ass no matter what
///and if there's even the slightest imperfection, the damage will tear the US apart before anyone will admit it exists


I think that one of the largest complicating factors in the Federal legalization of marijuana is that several international treaties would have to be re-worked and signed off on my several nations. Now, whether this constitutes "the" largest complication is arguable but there is this obstacle that would have to be overcome.
 
2012-07-07 10:43:08 PM
"Experts." Ya, right.

The man was clearly possessed by demons. He was seen ripping pages out of his personal bible just before he attacked that man.
 
2012-07-07 11:40:17 PM

SquiggsIN: The powers that be do not want to allow [decriminalization] because they know that people will simply choose to grow their own at home and bypass the regulation/taxation aspect of the process.


Putting a taxation program in place would require some expensive legislation at federal level. You can't have a law that simply defines pot as "Cannabis Sativa is a plant you can smoke that gets you high." For starters, legislators would have to craft specific, legal definitions of what marijuana is -- right down to the percentage of chemical compounds for each variety. And thanks to scientifically minded horticulturalists, new varieties are popping up all the time.

Next, lawmakers decide to limit approval to cannabis that only contains x-amount of y-chemicals, which will likely bring the FDA into play to ensure that commercial producers are only selling pot that contains the approved levels of chemicals. The EPA might come into play to make sure nobody's using environmentally-damaging chemicals/methods of pot production. Meanwhile, rogue horticulturalists are trademarking and lobbying for their new strain of weed to get their plant on the Congressionally-approved list. That's right: more damn lobbyists!

Implementing a fair tax structure broad enough to encompass all approved formulations of marijuana will be difficult (see "damn lobbyists"). Crafting up taxation and tax collection procedures will be expensive, as these also need legislative approval. Then, offices and staff must be legislated into existence for handling weed taxation, regulatory departments to oversee the growth and manufacture, etc...

Just like any corporation, pot-growing corporations will only play by the rules as far as it allows them to profit. Lawsuits will occur as consumers who expected the same "giggles and munchies" experience from the same Brand-X (tm) weed that their friends enjoyed -- only to find to find that Brand-X (tm) gave them temporary paranoia and mild hallucinations instead.

Etc., etc., etc...

IMHO, it'd probably be more practical to allow growing and processing for personal use only, with cash fines put on huge over-the-limit amounts as "intent to distribute." It'd mean income for local governments with a minimum of expense (less legi$lation involved).

TL;DR: Taxing weed = corporate product + taxpayer dollars spend on legislation issues. Just allow a "grow yer own" amount instead.
 
2012-07-07 11:58:26 PM

the_chief: He was high on Jesus. Test for that.


Nah, those guys get their cannibalism done by eating wafers and drinking wine.
 
2012-07-08 12:44:10 AM

SquiggsIN: Tatterdemalian: One of the strongest arguments for legalization is the fact that, once safely regulated FDA drugs are available, people would drop the street corner drugs like a zombie hooker just for the safety guarantee alone.

If that were true cannabis would already be fully decriminalized. The powers that be do not want to allow that because they know that people will simply choose to grow their own at home and bypass the regulation/taxation aspect of the process.

Also, anyone who has taken (and passed) at least high school chemistry/biology should know better than to use any form of amphetamine. It's the closest thing to the old commercials of "this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs." Cannabis overall is one of the safer things you can put in your body, to this day there has never been a death from cannabis intoxication alone.


I'm not sure that's the case. Medical marijuana users can legally grow, yet they more often than not choose to buy it instead.
 
2012-07-08 01:08:45 AM
Any time I hear some dumb cop talk about drugs, impossible not to conclude that Idiocracy was a documentary.

Sometimes, psychotic people do psychotic stuff. It's not necessary to assume that some bogey-drug did it, just because the dominant paradigm in your law enforcement fantasy world is that all crimes come from drugs.

But we don't believe in demonic possession any more, so I guess we have to come up with some other imaginary reason why crazy people might do crazy things.
 
2012-07-08 03:35:13 AM

cepson: Any time I hear some dumb cop talk about drugs, impossible not to conclude that Idiocracy was a documentary.

Sometimes, psychotic people do psychotic stuff. It's not necessary to assume that some bogey-drug did it, just because the dominant paradigm in your law enforcement fantasy world is that all crimes come from drugs.

But we don't believe in demonic possession any more, so I guess we have to come up with some other imaginary reason why crazy people might do crazy things.


You mean A Beautiful Mind isn't a cautionary tale on the dangers of doing math?
 
2012-07-08 03:58:44 AM
Just remember kids, before there were bath salts people were treating weed with embalming fluid. Fiends will always find a way to fark themselves up.

/don't be a fiend
 
2012-07-08 04:51:27 AM

mikaloyd: Oznog: Just another Heartland Weirdass: I'm Going with demon possession. It's equally scientific (zero percent) and even more scary.

The absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence!!!

So the default is that he had all compounds in his system until they prove which ones were not present? Then Im going with oxides of plutonium and mardis gras bead lustre causing this.


content6.flixster.com

Whoa, that's some good plutonium nyborg, man!
 
2012-07-08 05:15:17 AM

caramba421: mikaloyd: Oznog: Just another Heartland Weirdass: I'm Going with demon possession. It's equally scientific (zero percent) and even more scary.

The absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence!!!

So the default is that he had all compounds in his system until they prove which ones were not present? Then Im going with oxides of plutonium and mardis gras bead lustre causing this.

[content6.flixster.com image 462x258]

Whoa, that's some good plutonium nyborg, man!


get the space coke out!
 
2012-07-08 05:21:39 AM
So where are all the "OMG POT WILL KILL YOU ALL, LOOK, THIS GUY ATE SOMEONES FACE AND IT WAS ALL THE FAULT OF POT!" people now?
 
2012-07-08 05:27:12 AM
Prohibition caused this. Just like when the same was done for alchohol, the black market discovers a profit opportunity and manufactures something which it calls `whisky`, `bourbon`, or `marijuana` but which bears no connection to the original product bearing of the name and causes people to get ill mentally and physically. Black market wins, government can`t stop them and the people suffer.

Learn from the last time and get rid of prohibition, it just does not work.
 
2012-07-08 05:41:56 AM

fragMasterFlash: Just remember kids, before there were bath salts people were treating weed with embalming fluid. Fiends will always find a way to fark themselves up.

/don't be a fiend


Yep they were. And dipping cigarettes in it also.

The first ever stories I ever heard of people getting high and eating other people were from a teacher I had in high school who's father was a Chicago Cop. He said his father would come home with and tell them about crimes scenes that he responded to where people high of PCP, either cigarettes or weed treated with embalming fluid, would go crazy and attack their friends and start eating them. Back then I thought those stories were made up either his father, to scare him away from drugs, or him, to scare us away from hard drugs, but know I'm starting to believe that they were real.
 
2012-07-08 07:29:01 AM

Novart: SquiggsIN: Tatterdemalian: One of the strongest arguments for legalization is the fact that, once safely regulated FDA drugs are available, people would drop the street corner drugs like a zombie hooker just for the safety guarantee alone.

If that were true cannabis would already be fully decriminalized. The powers that be do not want to allow that because they know that people will simply choose to grow their own at home and bypass the regulation/taxation aspect of the process.

Also, anyone who has taken (and passed) at least high school chemistry/biology should know better than to use any form of amphetamine. It's the closest thing to the old commercials of "this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs." Cannabis overall is one of the safer things you can put in your body, to this day there has never been a death from cannabis intoxication alone.

I'm not sure that's the case. Medical marijuana users can legally grow, yet they more often than not choose to buy it instead.


Because people are lazy.
Who wants to tend to plants and dry leaves when you can pay a small fee for someone, who's alot better at growing quality, to grow it for you in bulk?

The whole idea of a ban was stupid from the beginning, but don't expect it to change.
All this bath salt fervor will do is get the BATF/DEA/FDA/ETC up in arms to ban something else.

/Its almost as if their budget increases were based on obstructing our personal freedoms....
/FDA I cry shame on the most. Their job was only to answer the question of "Is it safe?", not to become involved in market fixing for big corporations.
 
2012-07-08 07:37:59 AM
if more people bought pot less people would buy food and alcohol. thereby destroying the homefark industry
 
2012-07-08 12:09:54 PM
If he had taken drugs, especially some new unusual stuff, he or his lawyer would definitely be claiming that he had. Good guy tries some new drug that drives him crazy seems like a better defense than "I just felt like it".
 
2012-07-08 01:32:00 PM

caramba421: mikaloyd: Oznog: Just another Heartland Weirdass: I'm Going with demon possession. It's equally scientific (zero percent) and even more scary.

The absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence!!!

So the default is that he had all compounds in his system until they prove which ones were not present? Then Im going with oxides of plutonium and mardis gras bead lustre causing this.

[content6.flixster.com image 462x258]

Whoa, that's some good plutonium nyborg, man!


+1
 
2012-07-08 02:52:26 PM
It would have interesting to see what would have come to light if he hadn't been killed. Can you imagine being a fairly normal person and waking up under arrest in a hospital after that? "Wait, I got high and did what?"
 
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