Six_By_Nine: Why do I have to be on her side OR Scientology's side?

Yes, why?

Six_By_Nine: I'm convinced all of this is just due to a bitter Katie Holmes.

A few days ago, thanks to the Cruise/Holmes divorce fallout, I saw a video of a former scientologist, Marty Rathbun, being harassed by 'squirrel hunters'.

From what I've read, Rathbun is still practising the weird cult stuff, only now outside the 'church', so he's free-range or something, but still crazy and it does take away some of the sympathy. But it's still creepy.

The video in question is half-way through the link provided.

Squirrel hunters

L. Ron Hubbard was a secret mormon.

macadamnut: L. Ron Hubbard was a secret mormon.

They probably baptized him after he died.

Mugato: Unsung_Hero: It'd be nice to see the Americans pass a law that says legal recognition as a religion requires that your religious texts be available free of charge to the public.

I'm pretty sure Christians, Muslims, and Buddhists wouldn't have a problem with that.

That's actually not at all unreasonable. I think I'm going to write my congressman abou

***NO CARRIER***

I was sort of joking, but on reflection I think it's actually a good, solid policy. If you're really concerned about your fellow Americans being pulled into a cult that hides its ugly side until it's too late, legislation requiring freely available documentation of doctrine and religious texts to qualify as a recognized religion is a good idea. You SHOULD write your representative about it - it's a law they can't possibly look bad for pushing, it's win-win except with the cultists who don't number enough to affect an election. It makes them look good for protecting the vulnerable.

It is, in fact, the kind of thing that you could honestly claim a patriotic, freedom-loving American would demand.

I'd do it, but I'm Canadian so it's unlikely an American politician would listen to me.

SOOooo... has anybody assembled a links list to the articles that 'spread false datum, rumors and defame poor lil Danny-Thetans religion' so that Farkers may conveniently bombard those comments pages with more "rumors and defame (their) religion it became a matter that does affect (his) Dynamics"...


/ AAAaaHHHHHhhhh... My inner Grammar Nazi just wants to kick his lying Thetan-ass...

Scientology is a cult! Real religions worship a hippie on a stick.

bloobeary: Rann Xerox: Are there any Scientologists that are poor?

Yes, quite a few. Scientology has a Slave Labor force.

And some scientologists commit suicide after being financially wiped out by the cult, such as Noah_Lottick, an American student who committed suicide by jumping from a 10th-floor hotel window, clutching his only remaining money.

Reading the Noah Lottick link: ""A Sea Org staffer ... was taken along to do personal cooking for Tom Cruise and [David] Miscavige at the expense of Scientology not for profit religious organizations. This left only 3 cooks at Gold [Base] to cook for 800 people three times a day ... apartment cottages were built for the use of John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, Edgar Winter, Priscilla Presley and other Scientology celebrities who are carefully prevented from finding out the real truth about the Scientology organization ... Miscavige decided to redo the meadow in beautiful flowers; Tens of thousands of dollars were spent on the project so that [Tom] Cruise and [Nicole] Kidman could romp there. However, Miscavige inspected the project and didn't like it. So the whole meadow was plowed up, destroyed, replowed and sown with plain grass."[61]

Tabayoyon's account of the planting of the meadow was supported by another former Scientologist, Maureen Bolstad, who said that a couple of dozen Scientologists including herself were put to work on a rainy night through dawn on the project. "We were told that we needed to plant a field and that it was to help Tom impress Nicole ... but for some mysterious reason it wasn't considered acceptable by Mr. Miscavige. So the project was rejected and they redid it."[62]"

- those wildflowers were for Cruise from Miscavige, not for Kidman, not for Kidman and Cruise
- Miscavige had an awfully strong attraction to Cruise
- Cruise's ego was such that he allowed Miscavige to worship the ground he (Cruise) walked on
- Is it true Kidman was trying to get Cruise out of Scientology, and Miscavige was jealous of Kidman?
- Was the wildflowers story a cover to punish those Scientology folks for whatever, or did Miscavige get a straight streak and realize how homo that looked to do that after Cruise allegedly made the comment about running through wildflowers with Kidman?

Finally, I don't buy at ALL that the celebrities didn't know what was going on. I think that not only did they know what was going on, but that they didn't care. We've already seen how folks will rationlize that 'they must have deserved it'. Since celebrities are just people with more money/media, I don't think they're any different from non-celebrities. I think all those celebrities -- including Cruise - believed that anyone doing all those punishments and crapped, getting excommunicated, getting killed, deserved it.


P.S. Was Shelly involved in hooking Katie up with Tommy?

clkeagle: Unsung_Hero: Mugato: Guntram Shatterhand: It's very easy to get the literature on most of the major religions along with criticism thereof. Scientology does not offer that

That's one of the differences, a major one. And you don't see the farking Pope threaten the entire internet community for talking about the Church's shadiness.

It'd be nice to see the Americans pass a law that says legal recognition as a religion requires that your religious texts be available free of charge to the public.

I'm pretty sure Christians, Muslims, and Buddhists wouldn't have a problem with that.

That... might actually work!

Nah, then they'd just ask for a mandatory 'donation'. Kind of like how Mormons force the tithing issue through tax returns.

Waldo Pepper:
or maybe, Once she had a baby she realized that the care, growth and safety of her child is more important than anything else and her husband and his cult is dangerous to Her and her daughter's well being.

Haha, of course not. Don't you know that every single marriage break-up is caused by a man "getting sick of her shiat?" Even if she files for divorce. Welcome to Fark.

Hetfield: Six_By_Nine: Why do I have to be on her side OR Scientology's side?

Yes, why?

Six_By_Nine: I'm convinced all of this is just due to a bitter Katie Holmes.


How about you read what I wrote again?

So, by your view, because I think Katie Holmes was not entirely the sweet and innocent girl next door she always presented herself as, it means I think that Scientology is somehow innocent of anything?

I didn't say they were. I merely made a tongue-and-cheek statement about how Hollywood actually kinda works (admittedly, she's got a better PR game right now than Tom has).

And I didn't say the Church ain't got it coming (I'll be the first to laugh when that empire comes crumbling down), but I'm not someone who sees life as 'for every bad side, the opposing side is pure sweetness and light'.

Sorry, but life isn't binary. Every side's got an angle. She's just working hers better at this point. But if you want to paint me as someone who's somehow sympathetic to Scientology because I'm not buying that one side is particularly good, go right ahead and cherry-pick your facts.

thenewmissus: jmr61: thenewmissus: I didn't RTA, but I will say this: I knew a couple who were the nicest people. I was very good friends with their daughter. He was an architect and she was a VP of some company. They made very, very, good money. They were always kind to me (we are different races in the south) and I always thought very highly of them. I found out that they were Scientologists. No bid deal to me other than I thought it was interesting (we're talking '80's people). The husband died about 2 years of knowing Lisa and the wife died soon after (they were pretty young too). I just found out that they left their entire estate to the church and left their girls out of the will. I realize that it is their right to do so, but they loved their children, but the kids still got nothing. I suspect that Scientology wants to make sure that they get their share of the Tom Cruise pie. Tom's kids better get what they can now cuz they may not get crap later.


So who's Lisa again?

Sorry for the name drop without explanation. Lisa was my friend.

Forgive, but I'm with jmr61. why is knowing Lisa, your friend, important when discussing the death of this dude soon after this dude met Lisa? it is a very confusing post. did Lisa cause his death, or did knowing Lisa cause his death, or what?

Or is this a troll?

I think it's time, as a species, to carefully examine Religion, what it's done for us and how it's hurt us, take the quality bits of how-to-get-along-with-others, incorporate that into our culture, and jettison the crazy mythologies that surround those bits of gold like the dirt and dung it is.

\Do I win the longest sentence award?

hinten: Scientologists peed in my breakfast.

Why?

you got your breakfast all over my thetans

Abox: Scientology is a cult! Real religions worship a hippie on a stick.

The hippie on a stick has shiatty followers, but he himself (no matter how many of 'him' there actually were at the same time) was a pretty cool dude, anybody would want to roll with. Dude was sincere, he wasn't trying to scam people out of money, out of sex, out of power. He just wanted people to love one another and live righteous, moral lives.

Scientology was a scam from the beginning, and its creator knew it was a scam, got off on it being a scam, and enjoyed the fruits of it being a scam. L. Ron is the Nigerian Prince of religious cults. Then again, so is Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

L. Ron is NO better than Jim Jones, it's just that Jim Jones worked the poor, and L. Ron is working the rich.

"Do yous haves a problems with how I writes my f-*guitar riff* emails!?"

Rann Xerox: Are there any Scientologists that are poor?

The literal RPF slaves are poor and often working off "freeloader debt."

Unsung_Hero: Mugato: Unsung_Hero: It'd be nice to see the Americans pass a law that says legal recognition as a religion requires that your religious texts be available free of charge to the public.

I'm pretty sure Christians, Muslims, and Buddhists wouldn't have a problem with that.

That's actually not at all unreasonable. I think I'm going to write my congressman abou

***NO CARRIER***

I was sort of joking, but on reflection I think it's actually a good, solid policy. If you're really concerned about your fellow Americans being pulled into a cult that hides its ugly side until it's too late, legislation requiring freely available documentation of doctrine and religious texts to qualify as a recognized religion is a good idea. You SHOULD write your representative about it - it's a law they can't possibly look bad for pushing, it's win-win except with the cultists who don't number enough to affect an election. It makes them look good for protecting the vulnerable.

It is, in fact, the kind of thing that you could honestly claim a patriotic, freedom-loving American would demand.

I'd do it, but I'm Canadian so it's unlikely an American politician would listen to me.

I still want to know what Xenu has on our government that allowed for their tax free status. After all these years shouldn't the freedom act have allowed some of this to be released.

I also think this email is a troll email sent out to avert the media from what Katie's people are doing.

I don't understand why some crazy person out there hasn't carried out some violent attack on these folks or their buildings.

Six_By_Nine: So, by your view, because I think Katie Holmes was not entirely the sweet and innocent girl next door she always presented herself as, it means I think that Scientology is somehow innocent of anything?

It was the "it's all due to Katie" part of your "theory" that seemed to clear Scientology and Tom Cruise of any wrongdoing. And seeing as your entire "theory" is based on weak speculation and reads like gossip, I'm left wondering what exactly it is that has you so "convinced" of your "theory".

On a side note, yes, it was a bad idea to get involved with Tom Cruise at this advanced stage of his Scientology career, and she should have foreseen all kinds of trouble down the road, but simply saying "Cult followers and the religious are just stupid" is missing the big picture, in my opinion. Cults/religions prey on the weak, on the insecure, on those who have psychological problems and people who are scared. Saying "They are stupid to do so" is placing the blame solely on the victims, and I think that's focusing on the wrong end of the problem as it diverts attention from the predators. That's why I took issue with your "theory".

Religion rots your brain.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: thenewmissus: jmr61: thenewmissus: I didn't RTA, but I will say this: I knew a couple who were the nicest people. I was very good friends with their daughter. He was an architect and she was a VP of some company. They made very, very, good money. They were always kind to me (we are different races in the south) and I always thought very highly of them. I found out that they were Scientologists. No bid deal to me other than I thought it was interesting (we're talking '80's people). The husband died about 2 years of knowing Lisa and the wife died soon after (they were pretty young too). I just found out that they left their entire estate to the church and left their girls out of the will. I realize that it is their right to do so, but they loved their children, but the kids still got nothing. I suspect that Scientology wants to make sure that they get their share of the Tom Cruise pie. Tom's kids better get what they can now cuz they may not get crap later.


So who's Lisa again?

Sorry for the name drop without explanation. Lisa was my friend.

Forgive, but I'm with jmr61. why is knowing Lisa, your friend, important when discussing the death of this dude soon after this dude met Lisa? it is a very confusing post. did Lisa cause his death, or did knowing Lisa cause his death, or what?

Or is this a troll?

Ok. Maybe I didn't explain this properly. (I will change the names of the parents to protect Lisa). My friend, Lisa had parents who were Scientologists. We will call them Bob and Tina. Bob died (fairly young, around 55 or 60) and Tina died approximately a year later. Their children were around 22 (Lisa's sister) and 18 (Lisa) at the time. Bob and Tina left their entire worth to the Church of Scientology. End of story. I thought highly of them while they were alive, but I kinda felt like leaving their children with nothing was a big F U.

Any more questions

Saberus Terras: Why do I have a sneaking suspicion we will be hearing about Katie Holmes disappearing in the next few weeks?

I also suspect she will resurface a few months later, saying the divorce was all a mistake and TomKat will live on... but she'll have this odd new scar on her head.

thenewmissus: ExperianScaresCthulhu: thenewmissus: jmr61: thenewmissus: I didn't RTA, but I will say this: I knew a couple who were the nicest people. I was very good friends with their daughter. He was an architect and she was a VP of some company. They made very, very, good money. They were always kind to me (we are different races in the south) and I always thought very highly of them. I found out that they were Scientologists. No bid deal to me other than I thought it was interesting (we're talking '80's people). The husband died about 2 years of knowing Lisa and the wife died soon after (they were pretty young too). I just found out that they left their entire estate to the church and left their girls out of the will. I realize that it is their right to do so, but they loved their children, but the kids still got nothing. I suspect that Scientology wants to make sure that they get their share of the Tom Cruise pie. Tom's kids better get what they can now cuz they may not get crap later.


So who's Lisa again?

Sorry for the name drop without explanation. Lisa was my friend.

Forgive, but I'm with jmr61. why is knowing Lisa, your friend, important when discussing the death of this dude soon after this dude met Lisa? it is a very confusing post. did Lisa cause his death, or did knowing Lisa cause his death, or what?

Or is this a troll?

Ok. Maybe I didn't explain this properly. (I will change the names of the parents to protect Lisa). My friend, Lisa had parents who were Scientologists. We will call them Bob and Tina. Bob died (fairly young, around 55 or 60) and Tina died approximately a year later. Their children were around 22 (Lisa's sister) and 18 (Lisa) at the time. Bob and Tina left their entire worth to the Church of Scientology. End of story. I thought highly of them while they were alive, but I kinda felt like leaving their children with nothing was a big F U.

Any more questions

Is Lisa hot?

Waldo Pepper: thenewmissus: ExperianScaresCthulhu: thenewmissus: jmr61: thenewmissus: I didn't RTA, but I will say this: I knew a couple who were the nicest people. I was very good friends with their daughter. He was an architect and she was a VP of some company. They made very, very, good money. They were always kind to me (we are different races in the south) and I always thought very highly of them. I found out that they were Scientologists. No bid deal to me other than I thought it was interesting (we're talking '80's people). The husband died about 2 years of knowing Lisa and the wife died soon after (they were pretty young too). I just found out that they left their entire estate to the church and left their girls out of the will. I realize that it is their right to do so, but they loved their children, but the kids still got nothing. I suspect that Scientology wants to make sure that they get their share of the Tom Cruise pie. Tom's kids better get what they can now cuz they may not get crap later.


So who's Lisa again?

Sorry for the name drop without explanation. Lisa was my friend.

Forgive, but I'm with jmr61. why is knowing Lisa, your friend, important when discussing the death of this dude soon after this dude met Lisa? it is a very confusing post. did Lisa cause his death, or did knowing Lisa cause his death, or what?

Or is this a troll?

Ok. Maybe I didn't explain this properly. (I will change the names of the parents to protect Lisa). My friend, Lisa had parents who were Scientologists. We will call them Bob and Tina. Bob died (fairly young, around 55 or 60) and Tina died approximately a year later. Their children were around 22 (Lisa's sister) and 18 (Lisa) at the time. Bob and Tina left their entire worth to the Church of Scientology. End of story. I thought highly of them while they were alive, but I kinda felt like leaving their children with nothing was a big F U.

Any more questions

Is Lisa hot?

Yes. She was hot. And her parents had some deep pockets. Not a bad combination when you're a teenager huh?

badhatharry: Just to let all you SP's know. This letter is not their secret plan. Reporting TOS violations is not the extent of their endeavors. Scientologists are not a joke.

what is an "SP"?

DrBenway: Does anyone know anything else about this "David Miscavige's wife missing since 2006" story they link to? That's a new one for me.

She found out he was banging some other chick, so he either a)sent her to the rehabilitation project force (a scientology hard labor camp for people who piss off "COB" also known as David Miscavige) or b)murdered her and had his cronies cover it up, which wouldn't be that hard when he controls everything and has his own compound and security force.

I lean towards b because it seems Shelly's mother was shot and killed also back in 1985, and even L. Ron's death seems to be shady.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Abox: Scientology is a cult! Real religions worship a hippie on a stick.

The hippie on a stick has shiatty followers, but he himself (no matter how many of 'him' there actually were at the same time) was a pretty cool dude, anybody would want to roll with. Dude was sincere, he wasn't trying to scam people out of money, out of sex, out of power. He just wanted people to love one another and live righteous, moral lives.


And if they don't do what he wants they get to burn in hell for eternity? Yeah he's real cool. If he wants to roll with me then he can make me omnipotent too, or give up his magic powers and we can roll as equals.

Also, I meant that after I had known Lisa for two years, her father died. I should have previewed the comment before posting. Sorry for the confusion.

thenewmissus: She was hot.

And now she's a poor orphan, scared and desperate, and probably not very picky. No wonder Farkers have started salivating like there's no tomorrow.

Apos: I don't know about the rest of you,but I've bookmarked this for further enjoyment. Such unrestrained butchery of grammar deserves no less.

I hear she also creates protest signs for Teabaggers in her spare time.

kingdd: It's a good thing Fark doesn't have a code of conduct that prevents you from defaming others or most comments sections would be empty.

Depends on who you defame.

Anyone have some pancakes?

Hetfield: Gawdzila: I can't wait until this farking cult implodes. It has to happen one day, it is too ridiculously stupid not to.

I have little hope of this happening anytime soon.


I don't know about that. They've been hemmorhaging members, and not just the obscure ones no one cares about; David Miscavige's own father and L. Ron Hubbard's granddaughter have both left recently, and rumor has it even Lisa Marie Presley is fed up with their shiat. They've been spending more money than ever even as they've lost donors, putting more pressure on those that remain, and they're so well known and have such a bad reputation that recruiting new members is practically impossible.

Hetfield: thenewmissus: She was hot.

And now she's a poor orphan, scared and desperate, and probably not very picky. No wonder Farkers have started salivating like there's no tomorrow.

Thats not hot, its just sad.

malaktaus: I don't know about that. They've been hemmorhaging members, and not just the obscure ones no one cares about; David Miscavige's own father and L. Ron Hubbard's granddaughter have both left recently, and rumor has it even Lisa Marie Presley is fed up with their shiat. They've been spending more money than ever even as they've lost donors, putting more pressure on those that remain, and they're so well known and have such a bad reputation that recruiting new members is practically impossible.

If that's true, that's welcome news indeed. Thanks!

Evil Mackerel: Hetfield: thenewmissus: She was hot.

And now she's a poor orphan, scared and desperate, and probably not very picky. No wonder Farkers have started salivating like there's no tomorrow.

Thats not hot, its just sad.

Yes, it is.

The thing about Scientology is that it's more destructive of members' lives than most longer-lived religions are.

Look at Mormonism. It separates believers from family members who aren't Mormon, in the sense that, for example, if you get married in the Temple, family members who aren't Mormon can't go to your wedding. Various things like that. It does put up barriers. It enforces members tithing to the church as tightly as if it were an income tax.

But it stops itself with that tithe. It doesn't try to insist you leave all your money to the church instead of your family. It doesn't get way too greedy above your tithe--not way, way grabby about it. Sure, it's not going to turn it down, and it's gonna guilt you to give more, but not super-grabby.

It doesn't go for big slave labor. Sure, it'll try to get you for a missionary year, maybe more time doing missionary work if it can, but there's an understanding that you've gotta make a living and it's okay if you make money and live well and profit and leave money to your kids. You don't have to be super high up in the church for it to be okay for you to live well.

The Amish are exclude-y if you're not one of them, but they don't get all grabby of each other's stuff. They're more on the neighborly side and less on the top down control. They work together.

Scientology is: Top down control, they want your money, they cut you off from outside people, they punish leaving, they're secretive about their internal doctrines, they're paranoid (in the looking over their shoulder way of people who are up to something), they work lower-social-value adherents as slave labor, they're very aggressive and passive-aggressive about negative publicity, they have a history of an "ends justify the means" attitude towards dealing with what they perceive as threats.

Scientology has all the attributes of religious organizations through history that have not lasted. Generally, these organizations will last for some length of time--maybe a few decades or centuries--before their self-isolating and loose-cannon traits lead them to do something that goes too far and really pisses off the local Powers That Be in too many places at once. Or they'll accumulate too much wealth and become a tempting target. Or they'll finally outrage too many of the surrounding villagers with pitchforks and torches.

And then they get taken down.

One example is the Knights Templar. Whether they were good or bad, they were top down, secretive, made a point of concentrating wealth at the top, isolated themselves very much from the Powers That Be. Had their own religious rituals, again that were secretive. They got eaten.

Waco. Jonestown. Another fresh-sprouted set of repeats of extremist Islam every handful of generations. (The Koran and holy writings teach Islam is going to take over the whole entire world before Judgment Day, but doesn't specify when that is. Every few generations, some charismatic religious nutjob decides The End Is Near and that, therefore, Allah is On Our Side to Take Over the World, Right Now, Fellas, We Just Can't Lose! Then the rest of the world has to kick the new crop of nutjobs in the nuts over and over again until they finally get it, "Okay, okay. Judgment day not now. Inshallah," and go back to daily life. Which holds for a couple generations until the next charismatic nutjob gets squirrely again.)

Warren Jeffs' Fundamentalist LDS child-molesting polygamists are another example of a "religion" that goes on for awhile until the people around it just finally get outraged enough that their outrage outweighs their fear that the "shutting down religions" morality police will come for them, next. And then they go ahead and shut people like Jeffs and his crew of inbred idiots down.

There's all kinds of cults or religions that used to be religions and aren't now. Religions die all the time. Inflexible ones that make a goddamned nuisance of themselves to the neighbors are the ones that tend to die. Religions just take long enough to die (or massively mutate) that they (falsely) think they're immortal. Kind of like corporations think they're immortal, even though most corporations have shorter lifespans than most human people.

Sometimes religions evolve (massively mutate) when a top-down leader gets sick and dies-- Church Universal and Triumphant. Without E.C. Prophet's convincing doomsday predictions driving shelter-building and preparedness accumulations, the rest of the focus of their theology turns out fairly benign.

Scientology could undergo a life-saving (for it) revolution when Miscavige dies. If it lives that long. Or it could get more of the same.

What I see as the most likely end for Scientology is that it will do something outrageous, take the offending evidence or people to sea thinking the international waters and Scientology's ships will effectively make it its own country--which is the point behind its sea org thing--and will then be very surprised when its ships get surrounded, boarded, and taken into port (or sunk) with the perfectly international law legal agreement of the actual nation behind whatever flag of convenience they happen to be flying.

Alternately, somebody is just going to sink them, and they're going to be saying, "Huh? What? You can't do that! No fair!" But their shipping will be sunk and their assets and people gone, irreplaceable, permanently.

That's pretty much what happened to the Knights Templar. What happened to them was pretty much totally illegal. It happened fast, it happened in a single stroke, and dead men can't take it to court. So one day they were this huge international power with lots of money and men and a real force to be reckoned with, and the next day they were mostly dead and their assets confiscated and the ones that were left to be mopped up weren't enough to really do any major contesting of the matter. How can you contest dead and destroyed?

If I was Scientology, I'd really watch out for pissing off France. If France just decided to send special ops people, sink Sea Org, and deny the whole damned thing (come to think about it, it was France that did in the KT), none of the rest of the international community would be motivated to look too hard for alternate explanations.

"Oh, how sad. Well, mishaps at sea do happen. What a [sob] tragedy. Where should we send the wreath of carnations and mums?"

Just a few rambling thoughts this morning. Been without power for three days. Kinda writing off the top of my head.

Organizations like Scientology change or they die. They're like a disease that kills its host--not a successful model. They either become milder and learn to play nice in the sandbox with society, or society gets pissed off and kills the organization.

Kind of like smallpox, or polio.

If Scientology wants to quit getting hit with societal broad-spectrum antibiotics, it needs to quit acting like social syphilis.

kingdd: It's a good thing Fark doesn't have a code of conduct that prevents you from defaming others or most comments sections would be empty.

Fark? The entire Internet would be blank if this 'code of conduct' existed.

badhatharry: jaytkay: badhatharry: Just to let all you SP's know. This letter is not their secret plan. Reporting TOS violations is not the extent of their endeavors. Scientologists are not a joke.

what is an "SP"?

Suppressive Person. Negative people who impede the positive influence of Scientology.

Hubbard told his followers that SPs are "fair game." What does this mean?

May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.

Remember, folks. Scientology is not at all a dangerous cult. What would make you think that in the first place?