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(KCTV5 Kansas City)   I'd rather take a bullet to the head. Woman describes agony after she passes 63 kidney stones   (kctv5.com) divider line 79
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2012-07-07 09:15:08 AM
My SON had one 2 weeks ago. Woke me up hollering, I thought he was yelling at a video game. "Where's it hurt? Oh, OK, you got a kidney stone. Well, that's going to hurt but it ain't going to kill you."

He passed it in like 3 hours, then was fine.

/Runs in the family. My first one scared the hell out of me, I didn't know what was wrong.
 
2012-07-07 09:36:15 AM
I've only had two in my life, and they were enough. First one in the eighties pissed out after two days in hospital. The recent second one kicked me in the balls in October, then hung out in the bladder until last month, where it took a painfully slow trip through little Lenny which was made easier by some Flomax and generic antibiotics, but it was enough to make me start to drink lots more water every day.
 
2012-07-07 09:40:45 AM
Gawdzila: Man, couldn't they just load her into the lithotripsy chamber and start firing away? Blow those f*ckers up!
*pew pew pewpew*!


The problem then becomes shrapnel.
 
2012-07-07 09:41:33 AM
Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Just tell 'em your pain is getting unmanageable and you want them to do a urethral removal under general.

This. The last time I had stones (I've had them a number of times), they were in both kidneys and too large to pass, and I had the removal done over three visits, including having the stents put in/removed - they tried ESWL, but the stones weren't breaking up. I didn't get the post-op drugs, as I was discharged after I'd woken up and verified that I could in fact pass urine, but I did get the prescriptions I needed to handle things when I got home. It kind of sucked for the next couple of days afterwards, but it was a hell of a lot better than having the stones themselves.

What *really* sucks is if you end up with staghorn stones. Don't look that up on Google if you want to have lunch today.
 
2012-07-07 09:57:12 AM
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2012-07-07 10:44:09 AM
I've passed two kidney stones that I know of. One went undiagnosed while I was pregnant, and I think it was lodged in my urethra when they put the catheter in for the C-section. The b*****s didn't care about my pain. I think they knocked me out just to shut me up. The thing popped out months later. I'd wondered what those weird little pinchy pains were.

The second one I could feel moving downward, and it did not hurt that much. It lasted maybe five minutes. I've had an entire baby unmedicated, and the pain was *much* worse. I guess I've been really lucky when it comes to kidney stones.

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2012-07-07 11:11:43 AM
platedlizard: FTFA: "He pulled the stint and it felt like I had five kids because, what he didn't know, is there were five calcified kidney stones that had formed to the stint," Calderon said.

And Calderon said removing the stint essentially opened the flood gates. By her count, she said she passed 63 stones over the next three days in the hospital.

"It's just one after another, after another, after another, and I was just holding on to my hospital chair like 'oh my gosh,'" she said.

I'm cringing.


Silly woman...you're supposed to have sand in your *vagina*.
 
2012-07-07 11:16:37 AM
lenfromak: I've only had two in my life, and they were enough. First one in the eighties pissed out after two days in hospital. The recent second one kicked me in the balls in October, then hung out in the bladder until last month, where it took a painfully slow trip through little Lenny which was made easier by some Flomax and generic antibiotics, but it was enough to make me start to drink lots more water every day.

The one thing the failed to mention about Flomax is a little detail called "retrograde ejaculation".

I was attempting to rid the world of another kitten and at the final meow there was no...um...stuff.

Scared the Fark out of me. I thought Little Lohphat pulled a Lehman Brothers on me.
 
2012-07-07 11:23:23 AM
Nidiot: fusillade762: lohphat: Women who've had them and who have kids prefer the pain of childbirth.

Yeah, but babies are way uglier.

...and you don't get arrested for throwing out the kidney stones.


But seriously, what is the good of all our advanced medical care if dealing with kidney stones is still compared unfavourably to childbirth? I've heard so many stories of how it is the worst pain ever, so I don't know why there are no standard procedures available yet that can deal with it and render those stories as belonging to the group that begin with "back in my day..." Sometimes I think doctors must simply be sadists.


The IV Toradol removed my pain in about 20 minutes. I went from fetal position with the feeling that Rosanne Barr was standing on my testicle with a stiletto to "I don't think death is a way out of this".

It never passed that I could tell. I had to go through a bilateral endoscopy to make sure there was nothing left so that I could get my flight medical certificate renewed.

The apparent cause was me eating Tums to treat undiagnosed EE. Now I'm on Prilosec as needed. No more stones.

DRINK MOAR WATER.
 
2012-07-07 12:21:18 PM
lohphat: One had me in the ER wishing for death after I got one during a commercial flight.

Women who've had them and who have kids prefer the pain of childbirth.

Yay Toradol IV FTW!

/do I really have to pee through a coffee filter for a week?


Better to be put into a coma than go through that stuff.
 
2012-07-07 01:11:22 PM
As I see, FARK-ers have had their share of kidney stones. Add me to the roster of that club.

When the pain hit, I thought I was going to die -- then later I was afraid I might NOT die. After what I considered the longest wait in ER history, trying not to scream, the Dr.s confirmed I was in genuine pain and shot me full of some stuff that quickly eased it down to nothing.

I suspect it was my starting to bend the rails on the examination bed with my bare hands that tipped them off.

After tests, they confirmed I had kidney stones. I think getting shot would have been less painful. I once had an impatient dentist try to pull a stubborn tooth that would NOT numb up and apparently had roots going down to my toes.

THAT was a walk in the park in comparison to the pain of kidney stones.

I learned all about the wonderful painkiller Oxycontin as I took a week to pass the darn things -- and discovered that this magical drug usually wears off about an hour before the next dose allowing the pain to jump right back in there with full force.

I also discovered it's NOT wise to take the painkiller too early. Makes you feel real good real fast -- and has some interesting side effects as well and you develop a mild case of withdrawal when you don't need it anymore.

Wonderful stuff for pain, but I can see why so many get addicted to it.

Never saw my stones because, even though you need to pee through a coffee filter like thing, there are times when you can't use it. I figure my stones slipped out that way.

I drink a lot more fluid now. I'm alert to changes in urine color and even mild twinges of pain around my kidneys draw my attention like never before.

They DO HAVE fast acting pain killers that they administer in the ER, but lately, with congress getting it's arse packed up all around it's head, it's becoming risky and complicated for Dr.s to do so. Like in the article, the lady could have passed the stones with no pain but obviously the Dr. declined to give her something powerful enough.

That's because his arse is on the line now. He needs to explain in detail his decision to use a major pain killer and if he does it too many times, he can fall under investigation for being a pill mill.
The government feels it's best for 100 people to scream in agony than two abuse the drugs and one get hooked.

I hope I never have another kidney stone.

The way new regulations are being churned out, you might go into the ER with a limb hanging off and discover how they did surgery during the civil war because Congress has decided using any pain killers feed the drug cartels and all Dr.s haven't the brains to know how to dispense them.
 
2012-07-07 02:46:19 PM
Gyrfalcon: ybishop: If she was in a hospital why was she not on opioid analgesics? Doc said to tough it out?

They don't work. My stepfather passed a kidney stone once, and they couldn't give him enough morphine to even dull the pain. The nurse told me at the time she'd seen men given a nearly lethal dosage and they were still screaming and begging for more.

She may well have been on painkillers, but only death can cure that pain.


Trust me, the opiates DO temper the pain a lot. They don't eliminate it but you just don't care.

/My largest was 3mm x 6mm and I passed it. At work.
 
2012-07-07 03:10:40 PM
Ananku: STENT the word is STENT.

But MS Word didn't show any squiggly, colored lines under that word so it must be correct!

/EX: After the stent was removed, the patient endured a 3-day stint of of passing kidney stones.
 
2012-07-07 03:17:30 PM
I could tell you stories of passing kidney stones. Horrible stories. First timers, just know it gets easier. Scar tissue baby! It's your friend!
 
2012-07-07 03:42:22 PM
I've got Medullary Sponge Kidneys. I am constantly producing and passing stones. Weekly. And they aren't small. On average from 5-10mm. I've passed over 100, and had twelve rounds of lithotripsy, multiple surgical removals and retrievals.

I typically have over 15 in each kidney. I'm a walking time bomb.

Even after I have a transplant, the new kidney will eventually start producing, although not as many, not as fast and hopefully not as large. It farking sucks.

And, BTW, my stones are calcium oxalate. Think about giant pieces of Grape-Nuts, but with even more spines.

I noticed that some people commented on why she wasn't on pain meds. Many times the pain is never really controlled.
 
2012-07-07 03:43:09 PM
Rik01: They DO HAVE fast acting pain killers that they administer in the ER, but lately, with congress getting it's arse packed up all around it's head, it's becoming risky and complicated for Dr.s to do so. Like in the article, the lady could have passed the stones with no pain but obviously the Dr. declined to give her something powerful enough.

That's because his arse is on the line now. He needs to explain in detail his decision to use a major pain killer and if he does it too many times, he can fall under investigation for being a pill mill.
The government feels it's best for 100 people to scream in agony than two abuse the drugs and one get hooked.

I hope I never have another kidney stone.

The way new regulations are being churned out, you might go into the ER with a limb hanging off and discover how they did surgery during the civil war because Congress has decided using any pain killers feed the drug cartels and all Dr.s haven't the brains to know how to dispense them.


Contrary to popular belief around here, snowing someone with a kidney stone would be malpractice.

Unless you are already on a shiat-ton of pain meds, 2mg morphine IV is enough medicine to start with and see how the patient does from there. You don't need several mg of Dilaudid - this would kill most narcotic-naive patients.

We'd rather not have our patients come into the hospital with a non-lifethreatening, albeit extremely painful, condition, and end up being discharged in a hearse over to the OME because their heart and lungs failed due to a narcotic OD.
 
2012-07-07 03:44:09 PM
jbb: no, no, no,no, no...... please take back this article!

Got a number of small kidney stones and been in some pain, not agonizing but pretty bad... Going to see the specialist on tuesday about possible surgery.

I did NOT want to read this article right now!
/scared


Trust me, surgery is better. You don't want to become septic, or have one hit you when you're by yourself. Lithotripsy is no big deal. If you're making a lot of them, go see a nephrologist.
 
2012-07-07 03:47:35 PM
haemaker: Gyrfalcon: ybishop: If she was in a hospital why was she not on opioid analgesics? Doc said to tough it out?

They don't work. My stepfather passed a kidney stone once, and they couldn't give him enough morphine to even dull the pain. The nurse told me at the time she'd seen men given a nearly lethal dosage and they were still screaming and begging for more.

She may well have been on painkillers, but only death can cure that pain.

Ok then, general anesthesia and cut them out!


The can only "cut them out" if they are in the kidney. And kidney access is unbelievably painful. They have to cut through your back. It's a serious surgery, because they have to open the kidney. If they're in the kidney, they can do litho., but only if they aren't near the opening. If they're in the ureter, they have to go up the urethra, through the bladder and grab it. Either way, it's painful as hell.
 
2012-07-07 03:51:03 PM
Sublime_Influence: I'm 23, I have a low sodium/low calcium diet and I've still had 4 kidney stones. I drink over a liter of water a day. Some people just get them. Morphine doesn't usually help much, just end up begging for more and looking like a junkie or something.

You should go to a Dr. that specializes in Medullary Sponge. I was with two doctors for years and they never diagnosed me. Finally went to a Nephrologist and they found it.
 
2012-07-07 04:04:46 PM
Never had a kidney stone but did have gall stones causing 4 attacks til I evicted that piece of bilious gristle about 6 weeks back. Best decision ever but I have to say, having been given two scripts for Oxy, I don't see the fuss over that crap. I took a grand total of three after the surgery and then gave up cause it wasn't doing anything other than helping me sleep at night (made me not feel the staples so much when lying down).

Killing pain though? The bourbon did a better job.
 
2012-07-07 04:13:22 PM
On another note, I work for a soda company and the joke has always been that I needed to stop drinking them.

Caffeine is not the major factor, as far as calcium oxalate stones are concerned. Dark beverages are bad for you, but your diet has a lot to do with it.

My problem is that I get severe migraines, which require weeks of hospitalization, AND kidney stones. The problem? The items I'm supposed to eat/drink to help prevent migraines, are the items that cause more stones. And visa versa.

It's an endless cycle that has almost caused me to end my life. (No, that's not a cry for help or attention, just to let you know how severe it is...)

I wouldn't wish stones on my worst enemies.
 
2012-07-07 04:14:59 PM
One last thing...

This is how you know your kidneys are failing... That was a fun day!

http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0090009/gp/melschmidt76/Qw56X3
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-07 06:38:26 PM
10 stones passed in the past 13 years. To be honest, only two had the "only death can bring relief to this" feeling. The rest were painful, and certainly annoying, but I just learned to live with them.

The only - ONLY - thing "experts" agree on as to how to prevent future stones (or more realisticly, keep them moving through your system before they get excruciatingly large) is to drink plenty of water. Other than that, there's no conconclusive evidence that diet modification does anything except be incredibly annoying to maintain.
 
2012-07-07 07:08:08 PM
highwayrun: I have never before or since felt anything as hateful. I went in ninety minutes from "gosh I wonder what that mild back twinge is" to writhing and vomiting on the ER waiting room floor. They gave me morphine in the ER and Toradol to take home, and when that infinitesimal black grainlet finally made its bloody way out it's the only event I remember from those drug-hazed four days--seriously, this happened on a Wednesday and I passed the stone finally on Saturday evening-- and all I can remember thinking in that time is "Must drink more. Drink half juice, half water. Must drink more." and looking in that paper cone at that terrifying, barely visible speck.

It took a while, but I finally figured out that that weird back twinge means "if you drink a quart or two RIGHT NOW, you might avoid a trip to the ER in an hour." Not 100% effective, but the feeling when that twinge does get pissed away is priceless.

/dilaudid >>> morphine
 
cjo [TotalFark]
2012-07-07 07:19:24 PM
Here is my bladder stone that I had removed in February: www.chris-olson.com

It didn't hurt at all (I'm a quadriplegic), but caused nasty infections.
 
2012-07-07 07:55:58 PM
The only time I've ever rode in an ambulance was when I had my first kidney stone. Puking sick, pain in my abdomen, and scared I was going to die. Got to the hospital, and they left me in a wheelchair for what felt like an eternity until I finally passed out from the pain. They did a scan, found it was a kidney stone, and sent me home with pain pills and a pee strainer. About four or five days later, I finally passed it. It was the size of a large watermelon seed made of jagged crystal.

I've had another one since then, and it still hurt like Hell, but I at least knew what to expect.
 
2012-07-07 09:02:32 PM
3 bouts in my past:

1st time - passed "naturally". Pain was unbearable.

2nd time, I had a ESWL. While not a lot of fun, pain was minimal, and passing the fragments wasn't too bad.

3rd time was a laser lithotripsy. Under no circumstances will I ever have that procedure again. The pain from the stent was so unbearable, I was longing for the 1st time where I passed a rather large stone naturally. Next time I need a procedure (hopefully never, but I am a pessimist), ESWL or nothing at all.
 
2012-07-07 09:14:43 PM
I had Kidney stones while I was eight months pregnant. In the hospital one week for one on one side and the next week one on the other. Good times.
If I had to put a positive spin on it, I lost the extra baby weight before I even had the baby. I could barely eat at all. What a nightmare!
 
2012-07-08 01:28:33 AM
cgremlin: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Just tell 'em your pain is getting unmanageable and you want them to do a urethral removal under general.

This. The last time I had stones (I've had them a number of times), they were in both kidneys and too large to pass, and I had the removal done over three visits, including having the stents put in/removed - they tried ESWL, but the stones weren't breaking up. I didn't get the post-op drugs, as I was discharged after I'd woken up and verified that I could in fact pass urine, but I did get the prescriptions I needed to handle things when I got home. It kind of sucked for the next couple of days afterwards, but it was a hell of a lot better than having the stones themselves.

What *really* sucks is if you end up with staghorn stones. Don't look that up on Google if you want to have lunch today.


www.lithostat.com

/couldn't resist
//What? It looks like a jack, or a black snowflake! :D
 
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