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2012-07-07 02:18:24 AM
11 votes:
STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-06 08:25:32 PM
3 votes:
Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.
2012-07-07 04:08:45 AM
2 votes:

batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed


Using silly, perhaps worn out jokes does not make you either a troll or a misogynist. I'd be willing to bet that most people, when they make a sandwich comment or whatever are really only trying to get a mild chuckle from someone else.

Not every post in an internet forum is some window into a person's soul.

Lighten up, Francis.
2012-07-07 03:40:38 AM
2 votes:

batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.


Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.
2012-07-07 03:39:59 AM
2 votes:
The obvious solution is to make abortion mandatory unless you can prove financially and intellectually responsible enough to be a parent.

/Problem solved. They are not people anyway until they are old enough to pay taxes, right?
2012-07-07 03:29:19 AM
2 votes:

ladyfortuna: david_gaithersburg: AverageAmericanGuy: I hate to be the one to point out the obvious here, but it was a woman driving. I'm surprised she only rolled it.

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Yet another reason women should not be allowed to drive. Perhaps the Saudis are way more progressive than us on this topic.

I mentioned how my car was rear-ended a few posts back. The only person responsible was a white man in his 50s, driving a 99 Ford pickup, totaled MY car, hurt me badly enough I couldn't work that week. Yet women shouldn't drive? Please.


Well we could quote statistics all day about how male drivers cause the vast majority of traffic fatalities, but then you would be giving credence to people that haven't had new comedic material since the 1950s. Much like the "make me a sandwhich" crowd, you shouldn't give them the attention they're trying so desperately to get. There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.
2012-07-07 03:17:55 AM
2 votes:

TsukasaK: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.


Birth is a nice hard limit.
2012-07-07 02:14:20 AM
2 votes:

GGracie: My daughter is in her 72 trimester and


No fair. I need a calculator.
2012-07-06 09:56:52 PM
2 votes:
I'm sure the conservatives will be demanding that fetus be tried for attempted murder ... as an adult.
2012-07-07 09:36:23 PM
1 votes:

TsukasaK: voodoolady: I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.

Killing a fetus at 8 months might be a lot of things, but 'reasonable' is not one of them.


So you think it's reasonable to force a woman to risk her life delivering a baby, who may only survive for a few hours outside the womb, because she had the misfortune of relying on modern medical science which could not discover the defect until 8 months? Got it.
2012-07-07 08:36:05 PM
1 votes:

werekoala: batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.

It is indeed all a matter of perspective. But I'm a psychologist, and more than that my concentration in my studies was on forensic psychology, and for most of my life I've studied serial killers and violent pathology, so I guess I don't find humor in misogyny when I see how often it leads to someone being chopped up and thrown in a dumpster...

Did they cover confirmation bias in Wymyn's Studies Psychology?


I've seen a lot of things on Fark that could be construed as offensive, but accusing me of EVER taking a "women's studies" course is the worst. You're on the list, buddy.
2012-07-07 08:34:05 PM
1 votes:

ace in your face: WordyGrrl: Day_Old_Dutchie: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.

Yep. I'll believe they're really "pro-life" when I see the same bunch protesting outside a Texas prison when Ol' Sparky gets fired up.

Catholics are against the death penalty, abortion and war(and assisted suicide).


Now if they could just stop enabling pedophiles, they'd have a lot better image.
2012-07-07 05:41:46 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


For instance: are they also anti-death penalty?
2012-07-07 03:06:43 PM
1 votes:

Day_Old_Dutchie: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.


Yep. I'll believe they're really "pro-life" when I see the same bunch protesting outside a Texas prison when Ol' Sparky gets fired up.
2012-07-07 11:54:06 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.
2012-07-07 10:13:01 AM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

DERP. I'm as pro abortion as any of you, if not more so. But I still recognize the fact that MOST anti abortioners are that way because of concern for the life of the fetus/baby. They're not full of shiat. They view abortion as killing a human, and worse than bringing an unwanted baby into the world.


I suppose that they do, in their own simple-minded way.

But from any objective criteria, if the same people spend their days trying to stop programs that have been repeatedly shown to lower pregnancy and abortion rates, because they can't bear the thought that teenagers might get it on, you have to realize they aren't anti abortion so much as they are anti sex.

For example, I think cancer is gawd awful horrible. And furries ick me right out. But if you told me that there was a way to lower cancer cases by 25%, at the cost of a few kids deciding to become furries, I would buy them their costumes myself.

See, that's what actual urgency looks like. Anything else is just feel-good slogans and bullshiat posturing. And it is time we stopped letting them get away with it.
2012-07-07 10:02:37 AM
1 votes:

batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.

It is indeed all a matter of perspective. But I'm a psychologist, and more than that my concentration in my studies was on forensic psychology, and for most of my life I've studied serial killers and violent pathology, so I guess I don't find humor in misogyny when I see how often it leads to someone being chopped up and thrown in a dumpster...


Did they cover confirmation bias in Wymyn's Studies Psychology?
2012-07-07 08:17:47 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


I'll stop calling them "pro-life" when you start calling "pro-abortion" anti-life.

/"When blood enters the embryo on the 18th day after conception and the heart begins to beat, it becomes alive"
2012-07-07 07:37:07 AM
1 votes:

Animatronik: voodoolady: TsukasaK: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.

I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.

Really?

That's unscientific. If you want to be rational about it, base it on the baby's stage of development, not whether it is outside the womb. Based on that, you could argue the first trimester as a logical place to draw the line.


I qualified my original post with two adjectives for a reason.
2012-07-07 07:10:13 AM
1 votes:
serial_crusher: I always did think "anti-abortion" and "pro-abortion" were more accurate terms. Obviously everybody likes life, and there's only a small number of choices that anti-abortion folks have a problem with. But every time I try to slip them into a conversation, some pro-abortion nancypants goes off topic with some butthurt rant about how nobody is "pro-abortion" because he thinks I'm trying to cast his group as being in favor of and encouraging abortion. So I just stick to the accepted terms. You'll get over it one day too.

But, you don't understand. I'm Pro-Abortion. I think they're great. I think if more people had abortions, the world would be in less trouble than we are today.
2012-07-07 07:07:24 AM
1 votes:

TsukasaK: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.


I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.
2012-07-07 06:56:29 AM
1 votes:
randomjsa: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

"You're making me angry when you don't cater to my preconceptions!"


Please explain to the class how people who are anti-abortion are pro-life. For added credit, explain your personal feelings on such topics as universal, free healthcare, taxpayer funded education, government assistance to low income families for nutrition and housing, and the death penalty.
2012-07-07 06:15:40 AM
1 votes:

Yes this is dog: batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.


It is indeed all a matter of perspective. But I'm a psychologist, and more than that my concentration in my studies was on forensic psychology, and for most of my life I've studied serial killers and violent pathology, so I guess I don't find humor in misogyny when I see how often it leads to someone being chopped up and thrown in a dumpster...
2012-07-07 05:10:54 AM
1 votes:

batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.
2012-07-07 04:48:01 AM
1 votes:

Yes this is dog: batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed

Using silly, perhaps worn out jokes does not make you either a troll or a misogynist. I'd be willing to bet that most people, when they make a sandwich comment or whatever are really only trying to get a mild chuckle from someone else.

Not every post in an internet forum is some window into a person's soul.

Lighten up, Francis.


And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.

Dokushin: batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed

If you not thinking I'm funny makes me an ACTUAL MISOGYNIST, my SO must have permanent black eyes and a PhD in sandwiches.


*rolls eyes* That's between you and her. I don't care if you're a misogynist or not, I was pointing out to the other person that she should ignore jokes like that rather than take them seriously. She seemed honestly offended that someone made a women drivers joke, so I was telling her that the motivations behind the jokes are generally stupid ones in one way or another so she should ignore them rather than letting them get to her. But I suppose you'd rather she be super offended and report your or something?
2012-07-07 04:02:28 AM
1 votes:

batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed


If you not thinking I'm funny makes me an ACTUAL MISOGYNIST, my SO must have permanent black eyes and a PhD in sandwiches.
2012-07-07 03:52:06 AM
1 votes:

Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.


... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed
2012-07-07 03:09:28 AM
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: AverageAmericanGuy: I hate to be the one to point out the obvious here, but it was a woman driving. I'm surprised she only rolled it.

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Yet another reason women should not be allowed to drive. Perhaps the Saudis are way more progressive than us on this topic.


I mentioned how my car was rear-ended a few posts back. The only person responsible was a white man in his 50s, driving a 99 Ford pickup, totaled MY car, hurt me badly enough I couldn't work that week. Yet women shouldn't drive? Please.
2012-07-07 03:00:41 AM
1 votes:
bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Considering proprioception and the ability to sense pain doesn't develop until around week 22 of gestation, pretty much this.

ShawnDoc: Look, you can't execute them or lock them in prison if you abort them first.

Point exactly!

Calling people who oppose legalized abortion, be it for moral, ethical, or religious reasons, "Pro-Life" implies that they would be anti-unnatural death by any means human-initiated or preventable. It's rather clear that, based on the overlapping beliefs of many who espouse to hold a "Pro-Life" viewpoint, they don't.

It's just a way to poison the argument and paint your opponent as someone who must obviously be "Pro-Death" if they disagree with you.
2012-07-07 02:50:38 AM
1 votes:
I find it hard to believe a baby's kick could hurt worse than when my car was rear-ended and I got a neck sprain out of it (aka Whiplash). And yet somehow I still managed to steer it away from the oncoming vehicle and park on the shoulder.
2012-07-07 02:50:23 AM
1 votes:

ZAZ: Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.


And yet, it's an entirely possible thing. Sounds like you're just desperate to blame the woman herself because you're uncomfortable with Subby's little jokey joke. Please, if you're going to quell your anxiety using baseless assumptions, can't you just stick to the politics tab with the rest of the self-deluded people? Had you ANY evidence that it was the woman's fault, I'd at least give you SOME respect, but you not liking his fetus joke and deciding for yourself that pregnancy kicks aren't that bad (which they definitely can be) does not count.
2012-07-07 02:45:43 AM
1 votes:

bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.


Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.
2012-07-07 02:38:35 AM
1 votes:

TsukasaK: bingethinker: I snicker every time I see "pro-life" and "facts" in the same sentence.

Sort-of pro-lifer here, I oppose killing a fetus past about 4 months or so, as at that point, the fetus is likely to be sentient.

"Killing" a clump of cells with no consciousness - don't care. No different than smashing an acorn or cracking a chicken's egg.
Killing a sentient being - Can't have. Not yours.


I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.
2012-07-07 02:34:05 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


Look, you can't execute them or lock them in prison if you abort them first.
2012-07-07 02:31:05 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


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2012-07-07 02:12:35 AM
1 votes:

doglover: ZAZ: Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.

Fact pro lifers don't want you to know: ALL car wrecks are caused by former fetuses.

2012-07-07 02:11:59 AM
1 votes:
I snicker every time I see "pro-life" and "facts" in the same sentence.
 
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