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2012-07-07 05:04:19 AM

Jim_Callahan: cuzsis: Isn't cheering for the death of living beings, regardless of sentience, twisted and sick?

Nope, historically and biologically it ranges from normal to outright commendable. The one things the hippies got right is that life isn't isolated organisms capable of existing independently, killing each other off is entirely necessary for the larger functioning of the biosphere, species that don't are terrible plagues upon existence that make everything unbearably shiatty for everything else.

Even religion is largely pro-killing-people. Yes, including yours.

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I wonder what the world would be like today if the hippies hadn't invaded Vietnam.
 
2012-07-07 05:10:54 AM

batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.
 
2012-07-07 05:27:18 AM
We don't know the gender of the kid, it could be a boy. He may have kicked mom to get her to put the cell phone down. Instead get blamed for the accident. That kid has it rough already.
 
2012-07-07 05:43:32 AM

batcookie: *rolls eyes* That's between you and her. I don't care if you're a misogynist or not, I was pointing out to the other person that she should ignore jokes like that rather than take them seriously. She seemed honestly offended that someone made a women drivers joke, so I was telling her that the motivations behind the jokes are generally stupid ones in one way or another so she should ignore them rather than letting them get to her. But I suppose you'd rather she be super offended and report your or something?


Peace, friend. I'd rather people take the things people say with good faith, and assume something that could be a harmless, lightweight joke be nothing otherwise unless necessary. The original comment was (slightly) amusing, just because of the unexpected juxtaposition -- not at all because any thinking person honestly thinks women make poor drivers. (I may be speaking too broadly, here, but again... *grin* good faith.)
 
2012-07-07 06:15:40 AM

Yes this is dog: batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.


It is indeed all a matter of perspective. But I'm a psychologist, and more than that my concentration in my studies was on forensic psychology, and for most of my life I've studied serial killers and violent pathology, so I guess I don't find humor in misogyny when I see how often it leads to someone being chopped up and thrown in a dumpster...
 
2012-07-07 06:19:18 AM

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


"You're making me angry when you don't cater to my preconceptions!"
 
2012-07-07 06:19:25 AM

david_gaithersburg: Jim_Callahan: cuzsis: Isn't cheering for the death of living beings, regardless of sentience, twisted and sick?

Nope, historically and biologically it ranges from normal to outright commendable. The one things the hippies got right is that life isn't isolated organisms capable of existing independently, killing each other off is entirely necessary for the larger functioning of the biosphere, species that don't are terrible plagues upon existence that make everything unbearably shiatty for everything else.

Even religion is largely pro-killing-people. Yes, including yours.
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I wonder what the world would be like today if the hippies hadn't invaded Vietnam.


How did this thread go awesome so quickly?
 
2012-07-07 06:56:29 AM
randomjsa: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

"You're making me angry when you don't cater to my preconceptions!"


Please explain to the class how people who are anti-abortion are pro-life. For added credit, explain your personal feelings on such topics as universal, free healthcare, taxpayer funded education, government assistance to low income families for nutrition and housing, and the death penalty.
 
2012-07-07 07:05:36 AM

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


I always did think "anti-abortion" and "pro-abortion" were more accurate terms. Obviously everybody likes life, and there's only a small number of choices that anti-abortion folks have a problem with. But every time I try to slip them into a conversation, some pro-abortion nancypants goes off topic with some butthurt rant about how nobody is "pro-abortion" because he thinks I'm trying to cast his group as being in favor of and encouraging abortion. So I just stick to the accepted terms. You'll get over it one day too.
 
2012-07-07 07:07:24 AM

TsukasaK: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.


I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.
 
2012-07-07 07:10:13 AM
serial_crusher: I always did think "anti-abortion" and "pro-abortion" were more accurate terms. Obviously everybody likes life, and there's only a small number of choices that anti-abortion folks have a problem with. But every time I try to slip them into a conversation, some pro-abortion nancypants goes off topic with some butthurt rant about how nobody is "pro-abortion" because he thinks I'm trying to cast his group as being in favor of and encouraging abortion. So I just stick to the accepted terms. You'll get over it one day too.

But, you don't understand. I'm Pro-Abortion. I think they're great. I think if more people had abortions, the world would be in less trouble than we are today.
 
2012-07-07 07:34:51 AM

voodoolady: TsukasaK: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.

I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.


Really?

That's unscientific. If you want to be rational about it, base it on the baby's stage of development, not whether it is outside the womb. Based on that, you could argue the first trimester as a logical place to draw the line.
 
2012-07-07 07:37:07 AM

Animatronik: voodoolady: TsukasaK: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.

I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.

Really?

That's unscientific. If you want to be rational about it, base it on the baby's stage of development, not whether it is outside the womb. Based on that, you could argue the first trimester as a logical place to draw the line.


I qualified my original post with two adjectives for a reason.
 
2012-07-07 07:39:02 AM
Abortion is Murder.
 
2012-07-07 07:52:35 AM

letrole: Abortion is Murder.


your face is murder.
 
2012-07-07 07:53:57 AM

bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.


The scientific consensus now is that sentience begins somewhere between 25 to 30 years of age.
 
2012-07-07 07:57:24 AM

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


DERP. I'm as pro abortion as any of you, if not more so. But I still recognize the fact that MOST anti abortioners are that way because of concern for the life of the fetus/baby. They're not full of shiat. They view abortion as killing a human, and worse than bringing an unwanted baby into the world.
 
2012-07-07 08:17:47 AM

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


I'll stop calling them "pro-life" when you start calling "pro-abortion" anti-life.

/"When blood enters the embryo on the 18th day after conception and the heart begins to beat, it becomes alive"
 
2012-07-07 09:27:01 AM

voodoolady: I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.


Killing a fetus at 8 months might be a lot of things, but 'reasonable' is not one of them.
 
2012-07-07 09:46:03 AM
When I was in the womb, my mother was hit by a 18 wheeler, so I'm getting a kick... or I gave my Mother one?
 
2012-07-07 09:49:30 AM

ladyfortuna: david_gaithersburg: AverageAmericanGuy: I hate to be the one to point out the obvious here, but it was a woman driving. I'm surprised she only rolled it.

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Yet another reason women should not be allowed to drive. Perhaps the Saudis are way more progressive than us on this topic.

I mentioned how my car was rear-ended a few posts back. The only person responsible was a white man in his 50s, driving a 99 Ford pickup, totaled MY car, hurt me badly enough I couldn't work that week. Yet women shouldn't drive? Please.



why do you hate the elderly?
 
2012-07-07 10:02:37 AM

batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.

It is indeed all a matter of perspective. But I'm a psychologist, and more than that my concentration in my studies was on forensic psychology, and for most of my life I've studied serial killers and violent pathology, so I guess I don't find humor in misogyny when I see how often it leads to someone being chopped up and thrown in a dumpster...


Did they cover confirmation bias in Wymyn's Studies Psychology?
 
2012-07-07 10:13:01 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

DERP. I'm as pro abortion as any of you, if not more so. But I still recognize the fact that MOST anti abortioners are that way because of concern for the life of the fetus/baby. They're not full of shiat. They view abortion as killing a human, and worse than bringing an unwanted baby into the world.


I suppose that they do, in their own simple-minded way.

But from any objective criteria, if the same people spend their days trying to stop programs that have been repeatedly shown to lower pregnancy and abortion rates, because they can't bear the thought that teenagers might get it on, you have to realize they aren't anti abortion so much as they are anti sex.

For example, I think cancer is gawd awful horrible. And furries ick me right out. But if you told me that there was a way to lower cancer cases by 25%, at the cost of a few kids deciding to become furries, I would buy them their costumes myself.

See, that's what actual urgency looks like. Anything else is just feel-good slogans and bullshiat posturing. And it is time we stopped letting them get away with it.
 
2012-07-07 10:26:58 AM

werekoala: But from any objective criteria, if the same people spend their days trying to stop programs that have been repeatedly shown to lower pregnancy and abortion rates, because they can't bear the thought that teenagers might get it on, you have to realize they aren't anti abortion so much as they are anti sex.

For example, I think cancer is gawd awful horrible. And furries ick me right out. But if you told me that there was a way to lower cancer cases by 25%, at the cost of a few kids deciding to become furries, I would buy them their costumes myself.


You're making an apples to oranges comparison there. Well, I'm assuming you don't have some big moral objection to furries. Thinking they're weird and thinking they're immoral are two different things.

If somebody is both anti-abortion and anti-sex, they're not going to see sex ed as a viable option. Even if it does lead to fewer abortions, they see it as a bad compromise. More appropriate analogy would be if I suggested that we fight breast cancer by removing everyone's breasts, and fight testicular cancer by removing everyone's testicles. I doubt you'd be ok with either of those options.

/ You're also conveniently forgetting about those of us who are anti-abortion but don't really give two shiats about sex ed.
 
2012-07-07 10:33:01 AM
I know someone who had her rib broken by strong kicking when she was pregnant so I believe it.
 
2012-07-07 11:01:19 AM
female driver trifecta in play!
 
2012-07-07 11:32:58 AM

fusillade762: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Well, a fetus is "alive" in the same way a cow or a carrot is, but it certainly doesn't qualify as a person.


I like how you gave 2 examples that had zero implication on the point you were trying to make.
 
2012-07-07 11:34:54 AM
You're making an apples to oranges comparison there. Well, I'm assuming you don't have some big moral objection to furries. Thinking they're weird and thinking they're immoral are two different things.

If somebody is both anti-abortion and anti-sex, they're not going to see sex ed as a viable option. Even if it does lead to fewer abortions, they see it as a bad compromise. More appropriate analogy would be if I suggested that we fight breast cancer by removing everyone's breasts, and fight testicular cancer by removing everyone's testicles. I doubt you'd be ok with either of those options.

/ You're also conveniently forgetting about those of us who are anti-abortion but don't really give two shiats about sex ed.


And an even better analogy would be if these Dominionist twits were fighting against teaching our kids to do self-exams of their breasts/testicles for feast it would lead to impure thoughts and self-abuse.

But the fact is anyone can sound like a saint when talking about their imagined Utopia. A person's character is more accurately determined by the choices they make in the imperfect world we live in.

So when a person supports a philosophy that does not "give kids ideas" over one that had been proven to reduce rates of pregnancy and abortion, you can safely conclude that (at least on an unconscious level) they view teen sex as worse than abortion.

Yeah, I get that they may think both options are immoral, but the world is full of shiatty choices. It's how you navigate those that makes you an adult; any child can pick between bad and good.

And if you personally are not one of those people who think kids farking is worse than babies dying, more power to you, I'm sorry for you, because it must be awful lonely...
 
2012-07-07 11:54:06 AM

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.
 
2012-07-07 12:09:24 PM

gravebayne2: letrole: Abortion is Murder.

your face is murder.


Le Troll's mom murdered millions of babies when she sucked my dick last night. She doesn't just suck and swallow, she gargles.
 
2012-07-07 03:06:43 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.


Yep. I'll believe they're really "pro-life" when I see the same bunch protesting outside a Texas prison when Ol' Sparky gets fired up.
 
2012-07-07 04:00:23 PM

WordyGrrl: Day_Old_Dutchie: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.

Yep. I'll believe they're really "pro-life" when I see the same bunch protesting outside a Texas prison when Ol' Sparky gets fired up.


Catholics are against the death penalty, abortion and war(and assisted suicide).
 
2012-07-07 04:58:22 PM
For fun tell this story to a pregnate woman. I did and she stared at me like I made it up and was trying to make a joke.
 
2012-07-07 05:41:46 PM

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


For instance: are they also anti-death penalty?
 
2012-07-07 06:43:31 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: gravebayne2: letrole: Abortion is Murder.

your face is murder.

Le Troll's mom murdered millions of babies when she sucked my dick last night. She doesn't just suck and swallow, she gargles.


I'm always sorry when I check these threads the next day...
 
2012-07-07 08:34:05 PM

ace in your face: WordyGrrl: Day_Old_Dutchie: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.

Yep. I'll believe they're really "pro-life" when I see the same bunch protesting outside a Texas prison when Ol' Sparky gets fired up.

Catholics are against the death penalty, abortion and war(and assisted suicide).


Now if they could just stop enabling pedophiles, they'd have a lot better image.
 
2012-07-07 08:36:05 PM

werekoala: batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.

It is indeed all a matter of perspective. But I'm a psychologist, and more than that my concentration in my studies was on forensic psychology, and for most of my life I've studied serial killers and violent pathology, so I guess I don't find humor in misogyny when I see how often it leads to someone being chopped up and thrown in a dumpster...

Did they cover confirmation bias in Wymyn's Studies Psychology?


I've seen a lot of things on Fark that could be construed as offensive, but accusing me of EVER taking a "women's studies" course is the worst. You're on the list, buddy.
 
2012-07-07 09:17:38 PM
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2012-07-07 09:36:23 PM

TsukasaK: voodoolady: I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.

Killing a fetus at 8 months might be a lot of things, but 'reasonable' is not one of them.


So you think it's reasonable to force a woman to risk her life delivering a baby, who may only survive for a few hours outside the womb, because she had the misfortune of relying on modern medical science which could not discover the defect until 8 months? Got it.
 
2012-07-07 11:47:14 PM

TsukasaK: voodoolady: I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.

Killing a fetus at 8 months might be a lot of things, but 'reasonable' is not one of them.


You don't get to decide that though, thank goodness.
 
2012-07-07 11:49:14 PM

ace in your face: WordyGrrl: Day_Old_Dutchie: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.

Yep. I'll believe they're really "pro-life" when I see the same bunch protesting outside a Texas prison when Ol' Sparky gets fired up.

Catholics are against the death penalty, abortion and war(and assisted suicide).


Yes, but they're also pro-alter boy rape.
 
2012-07-08 12:28:39 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: You don't get to decide that though, thank goodness.


Neither do you, thank goodness.
 
2012-07-08 09:21:47 AM

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


Actually, the term you're looking for is anti-choice.
 
2012-07-08 09:58:57 AM

Dokushin: batcookie: *rolls eyes* That's between you and her. I don't care if you're a misogynist or not, I was pointing out to the other person that she should ignore jokes like that rather than take them seriously. She seemed honestly offended that someone made a women drivers joke, so I was telling her that the motivations behind the jokes are generally stupid ones in one way or another so she should ignore them rather than letting them get to her. But I suppose you'd rather she be super offended and report your or something?

Peace, friend. I'd rather people take the things people say with good faith, and assume something that could be a harmless, lightweight joke be nothing otherwise unless necessary. The original comment was (slightly) amusing, just because of the unexpected juxtaposition -- not at all because any thinking person honestly thinks women make poor drivers. (I may be speaking too broadly, here, but again... *grin* good faith.)


Actually, I just like yelling at AAG.
 
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