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2012-07-06 08:13:14 PM  
Look people. It's the fetuses or us.

Now, everyone grab a coat hanger and fight for your lives!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-06 08:25:32 PM  
Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.
 
2012-07-06 09:56:52 PM  
I'm sure the conservatives will be demanding that fetus be tried for attempted murder ... as an adult.
 
2012-07-06 10:09:33 PM  

edmo: I'm sure the conservatives will be demanding that fetus be tried for attempted murder ... as an adult.


It is a female fetus, so that seems likely
 
2012-07-06 10:23:00 PM  

edmo: I'm sure the conservatives will be demanding that fetus be tried for attempted murder ... as an adult.


/thread
 
2012-07-06 11:15:55 PM  
My daughter is in her 72 trimester and I don't think she could kick me hard enough now to cause me to have that kind of car accident. I agree with ZAZ that the mom-to-be was probably on her cell phone.
 
2012-07-07 12:49:28 AM  
Who the Hell let fetuses drive?

/DNRTFA
 
2012-07-07 01:15:29 AM  

ZAZ: Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.


Or started cooing over the kick. Then again, she is pregnant so it could be assumed that most of her energy that would normally go towards higher thinking is going toward growing a fetus. I know my SIL turned into the biggest idiot in the world when she was carrying one.
 
2012-07-07 01:39:02 AM  

ZAZ: Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.


Fact pro lifers don't want you to know: ALL car wrecks are caused by fetuses.
 
2012-07-07 02:09:37 AM  
Abortion is self-defense.
 
2012-07-07 02:11:59 AM  
I snicker every time I see "pro-life" and "facts" in the same sentence.
 
2012-07-07 02:12:35 AM  

doglover: ZAZ: Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.

Fact pro lifers don't want you to know: ALL car wrecks are caused by former fetuses.

 
2012-07-07 02:14:20 AM  

GGracie: My daughter is in her 72 trimester and


No fair. I need a calculator.
 
2012-07-07 02:18:24 AM  
STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
 
2012-07-07 02:22:26 AM  
Having dealt with a pregnant woman for the last 7 and a half months, I can believe it could happen. It'd be a bit of a one in a million shot, but there have been kicks lately that came as enough of a surprise to startle her, and in painful spots. A lot depends on the size of the woman, too. My friend is tiny, so the fetus can line up and field goal just about anything it feels like. someone larger with more padding I have my doubts.
 
2012-07-07 02:24:29 AM  

Ed Finnerty: Look people. It's the fetuses or us.

Now, everyone grab a coat hanger and fight for your lives!


I totally read this as fajitas. I would probably side with fajitas.

/may sound fat
 
2012-07-07 02:25:16 AM  

bingethinker: I snicker every time I see "pro-life" and "facts" in the same sentence.


Sort-of pro-lifer here, I oppose killing a fetus past about 4 months or so, as at that point, the fetus is likely to be sentient.

"Killing" a clump of cells with no consciousness - don't care. No different than smashing an acorn or cracking a chicken's egg.
Killing a sentient being - Can't have. Not yours.
 
2012-07-07 02:26:33 AM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


Well, a fetus is "alive" in the same way a cow or a carrot is, but it certainly doesn't qualify as a person.
 
2012-07-07 02:27:04 AM  

GGracie: My daughter is in her 72 trimester.


I dunno, I think an 18-year-old could kick you hard enough to lose control of your vehicle.

/ and they say pregnancy ruins your cognitive skills for the duration
 
2012-07-07 02:31:05 AM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


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Agrees
 
2012-07-07 02:34:05 AM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


Look, you can't execute them or lock them in prison if you abort them first.
 
2012-07-07 02:38:35 AM  

TsukasaK: bingethinker: I snicker every time I see "pro-life" and "facts" in the same sentence.

Sort-of pro-lifer here, I oppose killing a fetus past about 4 months or so, as at that point, the fetus is likely to be sentient.

"Killing" a clump of cells with no consciousness - don't care. No different than smashing an acorn or cracking a chicken's egg.
Killing a sentient being - Can't have. Not yours.


I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.
 
2012-07-07 02:45:43 AM  

bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.


Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.
 
2012-07-07 02:50:23 AM  

ZAZ: Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.


And yet, it's an entirely possible thing. Sounds like you're just desperate to blame the woman herself because you're uncomfortable with Subby's little jokey joke. Please, if you're going to quell your anxiety using baseless assumptions, can't you just stick to the politics tab with the rest of the self-deluded people? Had you ANY evidence that it was the woman's fault, I'd at least give you SOME respect, but you not liking his fetus joke and deciding for yourself that pregnancy kicks aren't that bad (which they definitely can be) does not count.
 
2012-07-07 02:50:38 AM  
I find it hard to believe a baby's kick could hurt worse than when my car was rear-ended and I got a neck sprain out of it (aka Whiplash). And yet somehow I still managed to steer it away from the oncoming vehicle and park on the shoulder.
 
2012-07-07 02:59:29 AM  
I hate to be the one to point out the obvious here, but it was a woman driving. I'm surprised she only rolled it.
 
2012-07-07 03:00:41 AM  
bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Considering proprioception and the ability to sense pain doesn't develop until around week 22 of gestation, pretty much this.

ShawnDoc: Look, you can't execute them or lock them in prison if you abort them first.

Point exactly!

Calling people who oppose legalized abortion, be it for moral, ethical, or religious reasons, "Pro-Life" implies that they would be anti-unnatural death by any means human-initiated or preventable. It's rather clear that, based on the overlapping beliefs of many who espouse to hold a "Pro-Life" viewpoint, they don't.

It's just a way to poison the argument and paint your opponent as someone who must obviously be "Pro-Death" if they disagree with you.
 
2012-07-07 03:01:50 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I hate to be the one to point out the obvious here, but it was a woman driving. I'm surprised she only rolled it.


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Yet another reason women should not be allowed to drive. Perhaps the Saudis are way more progressive than us on this topic.
 
2012-07-07 03:09:28 AM  

david_gaithersburg: AverageAmericanGuy: I hate to be the one to point out the obvious here, but it was a woman driving. I'm surprised she only rolled it.

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Yet another reason women should not be allowed to drive. Perhaps the Saudis are way more progressive than us on this topic.


I mentioned how my car was rear-ended a few posts back. The only person responsible was a white man in his 50s, driving a 99 Ford pickup, totaled MY car, hurt me badly enough I couldn't work that week. Yet women shouldn't drive? Please.
 
2012-07-07 03:09:52 AM  

xip_80: Abortion is self-defense.


STAND YOUR GROUND!!!
 
2012-07-07 03:14:20 AM  
I had the remote on my belly and the kidlet in there kicked hard enough to send it flying, but I am having a hard time imaging how a kicking baby can cause a car crash.
 
2012-07-07 03:14:50 AM  

BronyMedic: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Considering proprioception and the ability to sense pain doesn't develop until around week 22 of gestation, pretty much this.

ShawnDoc: Look, you can't execute them or lock them in prison if you abort them first.

Point exactly!

Calling people who oppose legalized abortion, be it for moral, ethical, or religious reasons, "Pro-Life" implies that they would be anti-unnatural death by any means human-initiated or preventable. It's rather clear that, based on the overlapping beliefs of many who espouse to hold a "Pro-Life" viewpoint, they don't.

It's just a way to poison the argument and paint your opponent as someone who must obviously be "Pro-Death" if they disagree with you.


Uh...shouldn't we all be "pro-life" under that definition?

Shouldn't we all be for anti-unnatural death (human initiated or preventable)?

Isn't cheering for the death of living beings, regardless of sentience, twisted and sick?

Things die in life, things die to feed us, things die because we perceive them as a threat (in the case of bugs and plants, sometimes an annoyance, although we should consider those impulses as carefully as we are able.)

All things require the death of all or some of a living being in order to live. Thus, we all have to "take life" in order to live.

But that doesn't mean we should take it lightly.
 
2012-07-07 03:17:55 AM  

TsukasaK: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.


Birth is a nice hard limit.
 
2012-07-07 03:18:10 AM  
Women drivers!


/amitire?
 
2012-07-07 03:19:05 AM  
Yay! My first ever post on FARK is about an ass-kicking fetus! Is the father Chuck Norris? Or maybe Tom Cruise? Need more information...
 
2012-07-07 03:29:19 AM  

ladyfortuna: david_gaithersburg: AverageAmericanGuy: I hate to be the one to point out the obvious here, but it was a woman driving. I'm surprised she only rolled it.

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Yet another reason women should not be allowed to drive. Perhaps the Saudis are way more progressive than us on this topic.

I mentioned how my car was rear-ended a few posts back. The only person responsible was a white man in his 50s, driving a 99 Ford pickup, totaled MY car, hurt me badly enough I couldn't work that week. Yet women shouldn't drive? Please.


Well we could quote statistics all day about how male drivers cause the vast majority of traffic fatalities, but then you would be giving credence to people that haven't had new comedic material since the 1950s. Much like the "make me a sandwhich" crowd, you shouldn't give them the attention they're trying so desperately to get. There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.
 
2012-07-07 03:30:41 AM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


WELL I'M CONVINCED!!!
 
2012-07-07 03:39:59 AM  
The obvious solution is to make abortion mandatory unless you can prove financially and intellectually responsible enough to be a parent.

/Problem solved. They are not people anyway until they are old enough to pay taxes, right?
 
2012-07-07 03:40:38 AM  

batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.


Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.
 
2012-07-07 03:52:06 AM  

Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.


... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed
 
2012-07-07 04:01:00 AM  

LoneWolf343: TsukasaK: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.

Birth is a nice hard limit.


I'd put the limit at when they can ask me not to kill them.
 
2012-07-07 04:02:28 AM  

batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed


If you not thinking I'm funny makes me an ACTUAL MISOGYNIST, my SO must have permanent black eyes and a PhD in sandwiches.
 
2012-07-07 04:08:45 AM  

batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed


Using silly, perhaps worn out jokes does not make you either a troll or a misogynist. I'd be willing to bet that most people, when they make a sandwich comment or whatever are really only trying to get a mild chuckle from someone else.

Not every post in an internet forum is some window into a person's soul.

Lighten up, Francis.
 
2012-07-07 04:11:51 AM  

ZAZ: Facts pro-choicers don't want you to know: While that easily-aborted fetus seems like a threat to your car insurance rates, the woman in the article was probably talking on a cell phone but blamed the wreck on somebody who couldn't deny responsibility.


woo, touchy response to an obvious joke. were you touched badlyas a fetus or something? You are not alone. I had to share the womb with an IUD and my mom got carbon monoxide poisioning twice.

It is okay to let these experiences go. Life is not so bad now, is it? Smile and enjoy a joke now and then.
 
2012-07-07 04:15:51 AM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


Wow, another touchy one. in GIANT BOLD LETTERS no less.

if you get to rename them to "anti abortion", they get to call you "pro-unborn children mutilation". cool?

/pro choice, so don't even go down that road on me.
 
2012-07-07 04:30:10 AM  
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Look at the underbody of that car... I sure could use one of these in Michigan winters...
 
2012-07-07 04:33:52 AM  

GGracie: My daughter is in her 72 trimester and I don't think she could kick me hard enough now to cause me to have that kind of car accident. I agree with ZAZ that the mom-to-be was probably on her cell phone.


Maybe not. My sister was in mortal agony for the last trimester of her second, because he had his little heels braced under her lower rib. I knew another woman who'd had a rib broken by her in utero fetus, he kicked her so hard.

It's entirely possible. Those little f*ckers want OUT.
 
2012-07-07 04:48:01 AM  

Yes this is dog: batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed

Using silly, perhaps worn out jokes does not make you either a troll or a misogynist. I'd be willing to bet that most people, when they make a sandwich comment or whatever are really only trying to get a mild chuckle from someone else.

Not every post in an internet forum is some window into a person's soul.

Lighten up, Francis.


And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.

Dokushin: batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie: There are two possibilities: they're actual misogynists and should probably be shunned from society completely, or they're trolls and your reaction is their victory. Either way, ignore them.

Possibility number three: They are just telling a silly, harmless joke.

... My point was they haven't been funny since the 50s, so if you're still using them you either have a really stupid sense of humor or one of the two reasons I listed

If you not thinking I'm funny makes me an ACTUAL MISOGYNIST, my SO must have permanent black eyes and a PhD in sandwiches.


*rolls eyes* That's between you and her. I don't care if you're a misogynist or not, I was pointing out to the other person that she should ignore jokes like that rather than take them seriously. She seemed honestly offended that someone made a women drivers joke, so I was telling her that the motivations behind the jokes are generally stupid ones in one way or another so she should ignore them rather than letting them get to her. But I suppose you'd rather she be super offended and report your or something?
 
2012-07-07 04:50:42 AM  
What about the foetuses that began as accidents in cars?
 
2012-07-07 05:00:35 AM  

cuzsis: Isn't cheering for the death of living beings, regardless of sentience, twisted and sick?


Nope, historically and biologically it ranges from normal to outright commendable. The one things the hippies got right is that life isn't isolated organisms capable of existing independently, killing each other off is entirely necessary for the larger functioning of the biosphere, species that don't are terrible plagues upon existence that make everything unbearably shiatty for everything else.

Even religion is largely pro-killing-people. Yes, including yours.
 
2012-07-07 05:04:19 AM  

Jim_Callahan: cuzsis: Isn't cheering for the death of living beings, regardless of sentience, twisted and sick?

Nope, historically and biologically it ranges from normal to outright commendable. The one things the hippies got right is that life isn't isolated organisms capable of existing independently, killing each other off is entirely necessary for the larger functioning of the biosphere, species that don't are terrible plagues upon existence that make everything unbearably shiatty for everything else.

Even religion is largely pro-killing-people. Yes, including yours.

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I wonder what the world would be like today if the hippies hadn't invaded Vietnam.
 
2012-07-07 05:10:54 AM  

batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.
 
2012-07-07 05:27:18 AM  
We don't know the gender of the kid, it could be a boy. He may have kicked mom to get her to put the cell phone down. Instead get blamed for the accident. That kid has it rough already.
 
2012-07-07 05:43:32 AM  

batcookie: *rolls eyes* That's between you and her. I don't care if you're a misogynist or not, I was pointing out to the other person that she should ignore jokes like that rather than take them seriously. She seemed honestly offended that someone made a women drivers joke, so I was telling her that the motivations behind the jokes are generally stupid ones in one way or another so she should ignore them rather than letting them get to her. But I suppose you'd rather she be super offended and report your or something?


Peace, friend. I'd rather people take the things people say with good faith, and assume something that could be a harmless, lightweight joke be nothing otherwise unless necessary. The original comment was (slightly) amusing, just because of the unexpected juxtaposition -- not at all because any thinking person honestly thinks women make poor drivers. (I may be speaking too broadly, here, but again... *grin* good faith.)
 
2012-07-07 06:15:40 AM  

Yes this is dog: batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.


It is indeed all a matter of perspective. But I'm a psychologist, and more than that my concentration in my studies was on forensic psychology, and for most of my life I've studied serial killers and violent pathology, so I guess I don't find humor in misogyny when I see how often it leads to someone being chopped up and thrown in a dumpster...
 
2012-07-07 06:19:18 AM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


"You're making me angry when you don't cater to my preconceptions!"
 
2012-07-07 06:19:25 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Jim_Callahan: cuzsis: Isn't cheering for the death of living beings, regardless of sentience, twisted and sick?

Nope, historically and biologically it ranges from normal to outright commendable. The one things the hippies got right is that life isn't isolated organisms capable of existing independently, killing each other off is entirely necessary for the larger functioning of the biosphere, species that don't are terrible plagues upon existence that make everything unbearably shiatty for everything else.

Even religion is largely pro-killing-people. Yes, including yours.
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I wonder what the world would be like today if the hippies hadn't invaded Vietnam.


How did this thread go awesome so quickly?
 
2012-07-07 06:56:29 AM  
randomjsa: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

"You're making me angry when you don't cater to my preconceptions!"


Please explain to the class how people who are anti-abortion are pro-life. For added credit, explain your personal feelings on such topics as universal, free healthcare, taxpayer funded education, government assistance to low income families for nutrition and housing, and the death penalty.
 
2012-07-07 07:05:36 AM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


I always did think "anti-abortion" and "pro-abortion" were more accurate terms. Obviously everybody likes life, and there's only a small number of choices that anti-abortion folks have a problem with. But every time I try to slip them into a conversation, some pro-abortion nancypants goes off topic with some butthurt rant about how nobody is "pro-abortion" because he thinks I'm trying to cast his group as being in favor of and encouraging abortion. So I just stick to the accepted terms. You'll get over it one day too.
 
2012-07-07 07:07:24 AM  

TsukasaK: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.


I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.
 
2012-07-07 07:10:13 AM  
serial_crusher: I always did think "anti-abortion" and "pro-abortion" were more accurate terms. Obviously everybody likes life, and there's only a small number of choices that anti-abortion folks have a problem with. But every time I try to slip them into a conversation, some pro-abortion nancypants goes off topic with some butthurt rant about how nobody is "pro-abortion" because he thinks I'm trying to cast his group as being in favor of and encouraging abortion. So I just stick to the accepted terms. You'll get over it one day too.

But, you don't understand. I'm Pro-Abortion. I think they're great. I think if more people had abortions, the world would be in less trouble than we are today.
 
2012-07-07 07:34:51 AM  

voodoolady: TsukasaK: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.

I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.


Really?

That's unscientific. If you want to be rational about it, base it on the baby's stage of development, not whether it is outside the womb. Based on that, you could argue the first trimester as a logical place to draw the line.
 
2012-07-07 07:37:07 AM  

Animatronik: voodoolady: TsukasaK: bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Works in the converse, too. The longer you go, the more likely you're killing a sentient, living being. Line has to be drawn somewhere. Where is a question of debate.

I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.

Really?

That's unscientific. If you want to be rational about it, base it on the baby's stage of development, not whether it is outside the womb. Based on that, you could argue the first trimester as a logical place to draw the line.


I qualified my original post with two adjectives for a reason.
 
2012-07-07 07:39:02 AM  
Abortion is Murder.
 
2012-07-07 07:52:35 AM  

letrole: Abortion is Murder.


your face is murder.
 
2012-07-07 07:53:57 AM  

bingethinker: I agree, except you'd have trouble proving a four-month fetus is sentient. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.


The scientific consensus now is that sentience begins somewhere between 25 to 30 years of age.
 
2012-07-07 07:57:24 AM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


DERP. I'm as pro abortion as any of you, if not more so. But I still recognize the fact that MOST anti abortioners are that way because of concern for the life of the fetus/baby. They're not full of shiat. They view abortion as killing a human, and worse than bringing an unwanted baby into the world.
 
2012-07-07 08:17:47 AM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


I'll stop calling them "pro-life" when you start calling "pro-abortion" anti-life.

/"When blood enters the embryo on the 18th day after conception and the heart begins to beat, it becomes alive"
 
2012-07-07 09:27:01 AM  

voodoolady: I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.


Killing a fetus at 8 months might be a lot of things, but 'reasonable' is not one of them.
 
2012-07-07 09:46:03 AM  
When I was in the womb, my mother was hit by a 18 wheeler, so I'm getting a kick... or I gave my Mother one?
 
2012-07-07 09:49:30 AM  

ladyfortuna: david_gaithersburg: AverageAmericanGuy: I hate to be the one to point out the obvious here, but it was a woman driving. I'm surprised she only rolled it.

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Yet another reason women should not be allowed to drive. Perhaps the Saudis are way more progressive than us on this topic.

I mentioned how my car was rear-ended a few posts back. The only person responsible was a white man in his 50s, driving a 99 Ford pickup, totaled MY car, hurt me badly enough I couldn't work that week. Yet women shouldn't drive? Please.



why do you hate the elderly?
 
2012-07-07 10:02:37 AM  

batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.

It is indeed all a matter of perspective. But I'm a psychologist, and more than that my concentration in my studies was on forensic psychology, and for most of my life I've studied serial killers and violent pathology, so I guess I don't find humor in misogyny when I see how often it leads to someone being chopped up and thrown in a dumpster...


Did they cover confirmation bias in Wymyn's Studies Psychology?
 
2012-07-07 10:13:01 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

DERP. I'm as pro abortion as any of you, if not more so. But I still recognize the fact that MOST anti abortioners are that way because of concern for the life of the fetus/baby. They're not full of shiat. They view abortion as killing a human, and worse than bringing an unwanted baby into the world.


I suppose that they do, in their own simple-minded way.

But from any objective criteria, if the same people spend their days trying to stop programs that have been repeatedly shown to lower pregnancy and abortion rates, because they can't bear the thought that teenagers might get it on, you have to realize they aren't anti abortion so much as they are anti sex.

For example, I think cancer is gawd awful horrible. And furries ick me right out. But if you told me that there was a way to lower cancer cases by 25%, at the cost of a few kids deciding to become furries, I would buy them their costumes myself.

See, that's what actual urgency looks like. Anything else is just feel-good slogans and bullshiat posturing. And it is time we stopped letting them get away with it.
 
2012-07-07 10:26:58 AM  

werekoala: But from any objective criteria, if the same people spend their days trying to stop programs that have been repeatedly shown to lower pregnancy and abortion rates, because they can't bear the thought that teenagers might get it on, you have to realize they aren't anti abortion so much as they are anti sex.

For example, I think cancer is gawd awful horrible. And furries ick me right out. But if you told me that there was a way to lower cancer cases by 25%, at the cost of a few kids deciding to become furries, I would buy them their costumes myself.


You're making an apples to oranges comparison there. Well, I'm assuming you don't have some big moral objection to furries. Thinking they're weird and thinking they're immoral are two different things.

If somebody is both anti-abortion and anti-sex, they're not going to see sex ed as a viable option. Even if it does lead to fewer abortions, they see it as a bad compromise. More appropriate analogy would be if I suggested that we fight breast cancer by removing everyone's breasts, and fight testicular cancer by removing everyone's testicles. I doubt you'd be ok with either of those options.

/ You're also conveniently forgetting about those of us who are anti-abortion but don't really give two shiats about sex ed.
 
2012-07-07 10:33:01 AM  
I know someone who had her rib broken by strong kicking when she was pregnant so I believe it.
 
2012-07-07 11:01:19 AM  
female driver trifecta in play!
 
2012-07-07 11:32:58 AM  

fusillade762: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Well, a fetus is "alive" in the same way a cow or a carrot is, but it certainly doesn't qualify as a person.


I like how you gave 2 examples that had zero implication on the point you were trying to make.
 
2012-07-07 11:34:54 AM  
You're making an apples to oranges comparison there. Well, I'm assuming you don't have some big moral objection to furries. Thinking they're weird and thinking they're immoral are two different things.

If somebody is both anti-abortion and anti-sex, they're not going to see sex ed as a viable option. Even if it does lead to fewer abortions, they see it as a bad compromise. More appropriate analogy would be if I suggested that we fight breast cancer by removing everyone's breasts, and fight testicular cancer by removing everyone's testicles. I doubt you'd be ok with either of those options.

/ You're also conveniently forgetting about those of us who are anti-abortion but don't really give two shiats about sex ed.


And an even better analogy would be if these Dominionist twits were fighting against teaching our kids to do self-exams of their breasts/testicles for feast it would lead to impure thoughts and self-abuse.

But the fact is anyone can sound like a saint when talking about their imagined Utopia. A person's character is more accurately determined by the choices they make in the imperfect world we live in.

So when a person supports a philosophy that does not "give kids ideas" over one that had been proven to reduce rates of pregnancy and abortion, you can safely conclude that (at least on an unconscious level) they view teen sex as worse than abortion.

Yeah, I get that they may think both options are immoral, but the world is full of shiatty choices. It's how you navigate those that makes you an adult; any child can pick between bad and good.

And if you personally are not one of those people who think kids farking is worse than babies dying, more power to you, I'm sorry for you, because it must be awful lonely...
 
2012-07-07 11:54:06 AM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.
 
2012-07-07 12:09:24 PM  

gravebayne2: letrole: Abortion is Murder.

your face is murder.


Le Troll's mom murdered millions of babies when she sucked my dick last night. She doesn't just suck and swallow, she gargles.
 
2012-07-07 03:06:43 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.


Yep. I'll believe they're really "pro-life" when I see the same bunch protesting outside a Texas prison when Ol' Sparky gets fired up.
 
2012-07-07 04:00:23 PM  

WordyGrrl: Day_Old_Dutchie: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.

Yep. I'll believe they're really "pro-life" when I see the same bunch protesting outside a Texas prison when Ol' Sparky gets fired up.


Catholics are against the death penalty, abortion and war(and assisted suicide).
 
2012-07-07 04:58:22 PM  
For fun tell this story to a pregnate woman. I did and she stared at me like I made it up and was trying to make a joke.
 
2012-07-07 05:41:46 PM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


For instance: are they also anti-death penalty?
 
2012-07-07 06:43:31 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: gravebayne2: letrole: Abortion is Murder.

your face is murder.

Le Troll's mom murdered millions of babies when she sucked my dick last night. She doesn't just suck and swallow, she gargles.


I'm always sorry when I check these threads the next day...
 
2012-07-07 08:34:05 PM  

ace in your face: WordyGrrl: Day_Old_Dutchie: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.

Yep. I'll believe they're really "pro-life" when I see the same bunch protesting outside a Texas prison when Ol' Sparky gets fired up.

Catholics are against the death penalty, abortion and war(and assisted suicide).


Now if they could just stop enabling pedophiles, they'd have a lot better image.
 
2012-07-07 08:36:05 PM  

werekoala: batcookie: Yes this is dog: batcookie:
And yet a surprising number of them are just that, more so than the poster might realize. I guess a psychologist leopard can't change her psychoologist spots.


Maybe... and if that is where you were coming from, that's fine, I guess. I just hate seeing words like misogynist, racist, and homophobe just thrown around all willy nilly. It tends to cheapen them. Not everyone who tells a joke is a -ist.

/Pro-female, libby, myself.
//I just think sometimes a joke is nothing more than a joke.

It is indeed all a matter of perspective. But I'm a psychologist, and more than that my concentration in my studies was on forensic psychology, and for most of my life I've studied serial killers and violent pathology, so I guess I don't find humor in misogyny when I see how often it leads to someone being chopped up and thrown in a dumpster...

Did they cover confirmation bias in Wymyn's Studies Psychology?


I've seen a lot of things on Fark that could be construed as offensive, but accusing me of EVER taking a "women's studies" course is the worst. You're on the list, buddy.
 
2012-07-07 09:17:38 PM  
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2012-07-07 09:36:23 PM  

TsukasaK: voodoolady: I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.

Killing a fetus at 8 months might be a lot of things, but 'reasonable' is not one of them.


So you think it's reasonable to force a woman to risk her life delivering a baby, who may only survive for a few hours outside the womb, because she had the misfortune of relying on modern medical science which could not discover the defect until 8 months? Got it.
 
2012-07-07 11:47:14 PM  

TsukasaK: voodoolady: I agree. Birth seems like the only reasonable, non-arbitrary line.

Killing a fetus at 8 months might be a lot of things, but 'reasonable' is not one of them.


You don't get to decide that though, thank goodness.
 
2012-07-07 11:49:14 PM  

ace in your face: WordyGrrl: Day_Old_Dutchie: BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

Especially since the odds are that a "pro-life" individual is pro-war and capital punishment, and wants the government out of their lives and the church into yours.

Yep. I'll believe they're really "pro-life" when I see the same bunch protesting outside a Texas prison when Ol' Sparky gets fired up.

Catholics are against the death penalty, abortion and war(and assisted suicide).


Yes, but they're also pro-alter boy rape.
 
2012-07-08 12:28:39 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: You don't get to decide that though, thank goodness.


Neither do you, thank goodness.
 
2012-07-08 09:21:47 AM  

BronyMedic: STOP CALLING THEM PRO LIFE. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ANTI-ABORTION. PRO-LIFE IMPLIES SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.


Actually, the term you're looking for is anti-choice.
 
2012-07-08 09:58:57 AM  

Dokushin: batcookie: *rolls eyes* That's between you and her. I don't care if you're a misogynist or not, I was pointing out to the other person that she should ignore jokes like that rather than take them seriously. She seemed honestly offended that someone made a women drivers joke, so I was telling her that the motivations behind the jokes are generally stupid ones in one way or another so she should ignore them rather than letting them get to her. But I suppose you'd rather she be super offended and report your or something?

Peace, friend. I'd rather people take the things people say with good faith, and assume something that could be a harmless, lightweight joke be nothing otherwise unless necessary. The original comment was (slightly) amusing, just because of the unexpected juxtaposition -- not at all because any thinking person honestly thinks women make poor drivers. (I may be speaking too broadly, here, but again... *grin* good faith.)


Actually, I just like yelling at AAG.
 
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