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(Think Progress)   Not to be outdone by Pennsylvania, Mississippi institutes its own Voter ID Catch 22   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 147
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2012-07-06 06:28:07 PM  
Haha. I went to high school with the spokeswoman mentioned.

She was a c*nt in high school and she sure seems like a c*nt now.
 
2012-07-06 06:28:41 PM  
Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?

And what makes them all want to come out into the daylight on election day?
 
2012-07-06 06:29:06 PM  
Well, it's Mississippi, is anyone surprised?
 
2012-07-06 06:29:21 PM  
If you can't win a fair fight, cheat!
 
2012-07-06 06:30:49 PM  

cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?

And what makes them all want to come out into the daylight on election day?


The times I needed a photo ID are very few and far between. A better question is what the hell are YOU doing that constantly requires you to identify yourself?
=Smidge=
 
2012-07-06 06:33:06 PM  

cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?

And what makes them all want to come out into the daylight on election day?


Who are all these people that need to show ID all the time?

And what makes them all want to force everyone else to show ID all the time?
 
2012-07-06 06:33:43 PM  
[guinnessbrilliant.jpg]
 
2012-07-06 06:36:24 PM  
Well, that was a waste of tax payer dollars.
 
2012-07-06 06:37:31 PM  
initiative requires voters to have photograph identification, which they can only obtain if they've got a birth certificate to present

If you don't have a copy of your birth certificate then you are a nobody anyways. Or the President, whichever.
 
2012-07-06 06:38:11 PM  
The only thing missing is a grandfather clause that lets white folks skip the pre-requisites.
 
2012-07-06 06:38:27 PM  

cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?

And what makes them all want to come out into the daylight on election day?


1966 cchris_39:

Who are these people who manage to get through life without an extra $2 for the poll tax? And what makes the all want to come out into the daylight on election day?
 
2012-07-06 06:38:56 PM  

cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?


The elderly. They don't drive and no one cards them for alcohol or cigs. Or car-less inner city youths without cardable vices.

Cubansaltyballs: Who are all these people that need to show ID all the time?


Drunks.

Cubansaltyballs: And what makes them all want to force everyone else to show ID all the time?


They don't like the idea of someone being able to vote other than for a straight republican ticket.
 
2012-07-06 06:39:51 PM  
As long as it drives down voter turnout it's doing its job.
 
2012-07-06 06:40:54 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?

And what makes them all want to come out into the daylight on election day?

Who are all these people that need to show ID all the time?

And what makes them all want to force everyone else to show ID all the time?


It is a systematic way to disenfranchise voters (elderly, the youth and minorities) who statistically vote Democrat. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
2012-07-06 06:41:54 PM  

nyseattitude: Cubansaltyballs: cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?

And what makes them all want to come out into the daylight on election day?

Who are all these people that need to show ID all the time?

And what makes them all want to force everyone else to show ID all the time?

It is a systematic way to disenfranchise voters (elderly, the youth and minorities) who statistically vote Democrat. Nothing more, nothing less.


That's just your racism showing.
 
2012-07-06 06:41:55 PM  
Republicans love freedom so much, that they don't want anyone else to have it.
 
2012-07-06 06:42:36 PM  
... all enemies, foreign and domestic.
 
2012-07-06 06:43:25 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: nyseattitude: Cubansaltyballs: cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?

And what makes them all want to come out into the daylight on election day?

Who are all these people that need to show ID all the time?

And what makes them all want to force everyone else to show ID all the time?

It is a systematic way to disenfranchise voters (elderly, the youth and minorities) who statistically vote Democrat. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's just your racism showing.


Lol, ok. Are you trolling me because that's the first time in my life I have been called a racist.
 
2012-07-06 06:45:01 PM  

stewmadness: initiative requires voters to have photograph identification, which they can only obtain if they've got a birth certificate to present

If you don't have a copy of your birth certificate then you are a nobody anyways. Or the President, whichever.


BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

You need a copy of your birth certificate to get a photo ID. So say your parents lost your birth certificate they got from the hospital 18 years ago. You waited until this time to try to get a driver's license. You need to get your birth certificate to apply for a driver's license, but you need a photo ID to get your certificate. The only way you can get the photo ID is to provide a birth certificate.
 
2012-07-06 06:45:20 PM  
Mississippi you stink. That is all.
 
2012-07-06 06:48:18 PM  
Don't you love the consistency of the right?

GET GUBERMENT OUT OUR LIVES!!!!

OH, but you should have to get a government photo ID and use it for everything and be forced to show proof of citizenship on demand.
 
2012-07-06 06:49:05 PM  
ALEC need to be added to an official list of hate groups and domestic terrorists.
 
2012-07-06 06:53:31 PM  

Corvus: Don't you love the consistency of the right?

GET GUBERMENT OUT OUR LIVES!!!!

OH, but you should have to get a government photo ID and use it for everything and be forced to show proof of citizenship on demand.


And not one of them federal national ID's either. Those things would only be good for having a consistent way for police to determine national citizenship or letting The Man track you by your wallet. Only state's rights' approved ID are acceptable.
 
2012-07-06 06:54:08 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: stewmadness: initiative requires voters to have photograph identification, which they can only obtain if they've got a birth certificate to present

If you don't have a copy of your birth certificate then you are a nobody anyways. Or the President, whichever.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

You need a copy of your birth certificate to get a photo ID. So say your parents lost your birth certificate they got from the hospital 18 years ago. You waited until this time to try to get a driver's license. You need to get your birth certificate to apply for a driver's license, but you need a photo ID to get your certificate. The only way you can get the photo ID is to provide a birth certificate.


How does that get resolved normally? Ignoring the whole "Mississippi is a giant bag of dicks" voting thing, if you were in that situation and wanted a driver's license how the hell would you fix that? I'm going outside of the normal Fark snark, I'm just legitimately curious if someone here has navigated that maze in any state.
 
2012-07-06 06:55:02 PM  
Wow, I thought the headline was exaggerating about the catch-22 bit. Then I clicked.

Stupid farking hicks.
 
2012-07-06 06:55:53 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: stewmadness: initiative requires voters to have photograph identification, which they can only obtain if they've got a birth certificate to present

If you don't have a copy of your birth certificate then you are a nobody anyways. Or the President, whichever.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

You need a copy of your birth certificate to get a photo ID. So say your parents lost your birth certificate they got from the hospital 18 years ago. You waited until this time to try to get a driver's license. You need to get your birth certificate to apply for a driver's license, but you need a photo ID to get your certificate. The only way you can get the photo ID is to provide a birth certificate.


The Republican Voting Dream Act:
Any and all non white, non Christian, non conservative "citizens" of the United States of America must present federally certified ancestry records of no less than sixty years, a certified state birth certificate, a certified state birth certificate of each said ancestor and $4500.00 administrative fee to the RNC. Please allow 10-14 years for processing.
 
2012-07-06 06:56:07 PM  

Sarsin: fuhfuhfuh: stewmadness: initiative requires voters to have photograph identification, which they can only obtain if they've got a birth certificate to present

If you don't have a copy of your birth certificate then you are a nobody anyways. Or the President, whichever.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

You need a copy of your birth certificate to get a photo ID. So say your parents lost your birth certificate they got from the hospital 18 years ago. You waited until this time to try to get a driver's license. You need to get your birth certificate to apply for a driver's license, but you need a photo ID to get your certificate. The only way you can get the photo ID is to provide a birth certificate.

How does that get resolved normally? Ignoring the whole "Mississippi is a giant bag of dicks" voting thing, if you were in that situation and wanted a driver's license how the hell would you fix that? I'm going outside of the normal Fark snark, I'm just legitimately curious if someone here has navigated that maze in any state.


Probably through your SSN# i am guessing.
 
2012-07-06 07:00:59 PM  
And where the hell is Mr. Ippi during all of this?
 
2012-07-06 07:04:28 PM  

cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?


I haven't been asked for my id in over a month and that was for a liquor store that cards every living soul who walks in the door because the local DA is running for mayor.

/asking for an ID is rarely about protecting you or the system - its to protect whomever is asking for it
 
2012-07-06 07:04:42 PM  
I'd be more outraged if the ballot opponents hadn't flat out lied in their arguments.

"Implementing Voter ID amounts to a 21st Century poll tax. Those who do not have the documents required to obtain an ID will have to spend money to get documents such as birth certificates. These documents are not free, so some persons will be forced to "pay to vote." The 14th and 24th amendments prohibit any costs or fees associated with voting. In the 1966 case Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, the U.S. Supreme Court prohibited the use of poll taxes as a prerequisite to voting in local and state elections." - Sue Harmon, MoveOn.org

Oops, Ms. Harmon, guess your research area doesn't include Indiana. Perhaps you need to revisit Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, since you seem set on providing SCOTUS cases to attempt to bolster your lies.
 
2012-07-06 07:06:12 PM  
Nice Mississippi either this is some weapons grade stupidity on the writer of this law or the writer is an evil genius.
 
2012-07-06 07:10:49 PM  
Sarsin:

How does that get resolved normally? Ignoring the whole "Mississippi is a giant bag of dicks" voting thing, if you were in that situation and wanted a driver's license how the hell would you fix that? I'm going outside of the normal Fark snark, I'm just legitimately curious if someone here has navigated that maze in any state.

It gets better. Every state has different rules. When we were pulling the birth certificate for my boyfriend so he could get a passport - all it required was his mother and fathers maiden names and the counties they were born in to get a certified copy of his certificate. Other states require you to show up in the fark'n office with the whole damn clan to get a certified copy and navigate a bureaucratic maze.

From Tennesse it appears you have alternatives:

Two items from the following list:
Current pay stub or W2
Vehicle registration with name and current address
Voter Registration card
Military Discharge (DD214)
Utility Bill, Bank Statement or deposit slip with name and current address
Health care coverage card
Medical record
Application page of an insurance policy
Signed Social Security Card
For those person who have had their I.D. stolen, a copy a police report or other official documents which support the theft.


/getting a birth certificate is 8 bucks in Tennessee. So poll tax!
 
2012-07-06 07:11:00 PM  

Smidge204: cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?

And what makes them all want to come out into the daylight on election day?

The times I needed a photo ID are very few and far between. A better question is what the hell are YOU doing that constantly requires you to identify yourself?
=Smidge=


Driving
Having a bank account
Having my signature notarized
Buying alcohol
Buying tobacco
Renting things
Flying
Filling out an I-9 to get a job


People without IDs are somehow not doing any of this stuff.
 
2012-07-06 07:12:56 PM  

stewmadness: Sarsin: fuhfuhfuh: stewmadness: initiative requires voters to have photograph identification, which they can only obtain if they've got a birth certificate to present

If you don't have a copy of your birth certificate then you are a nobody anyways. Or the President, whichever.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

You need a copy of your birth certificate to get a photo ID. So say your parents lost your birth certificate they got from the hospital 18 years ago. You waited until this time to try to get a driver's license. You need to get your birth certificate to apply for a driver's license, but you need a photo ID to get your certificate. The only way you can get the photo ID is to provide a birth certificate.

How does that get resolved normally? Ignoring the whole "Mississippi is a giant bag of dicks" voting thing, if you were in that situation and wanted a driver's license how the hell would you fix that? I'm going outside of the normal Fark snark, I'm just legitimately curious if someone here has navigated that maze in any state.

Probably through your SSN# i am guessing.


Most places require a SSN and possibly signing an affidavit as a minimum in order to get a copy of your birth certificate, no photo ID required. The law being introduced in Mississippi would require you to have a photo ID in order to get a copy of your birth certificate. The law is not just about presenting photo ID to vote, but also changes the requirements for obtaining a birth certificate.
 
2012-07-06 07:16:20 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: stewmadness: Sarsin: fuhfuhfuh: stewmadness: initiative requires voters to have photograph identification, which they can only obtain if they've got a birth certificate to present

If you don't have a copy of your birth certificate then you are a nobody anyways. Or the President, whichever.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

You need a copy of your birth certificate to get a photo ID. So say your parents lost your birth certificate they got from the hospital 18 years ago. You waited until this time to try to get a driver's license. You need to get your birth certificate to apply for a driver's license, but you need a photo ID to get your certificate. The only way you can get the photo ID is to provide a birth certificate.

How does that get resolved normally? Ignoring the whole "Mississippi is a giant bag of dicks" voting thing, if you were in that situation and wanted a driver's license how the hell would you fix that? I'm going outside of the normal Fark snark, I'm just legitimately curious if someone here has navigated that maze in any state.

Probably through your SSN# i am guessing.

Most places require a SSN and possibly signing an affidavit as a minimum in order to get a copy of your birth certificate, no photo ID required. The law being introduced in Mississippi would require you to have a photo ID in order to get a copy of your birth certificate. The law is not just about presenting photo ID to vote, but also changes the requirements for obtaining a birth certificate.


It does not change the requirements for obtaining a birth certificate. It can't possibly change them, as the new law is not yet implemented, yet the MS DPS still shows that a photo ID is required for a BC.

Here is the text of the initiative. Please show the class where it changes requirements to obtain a BC.
 
2012-07-06 07:18:41 PM  

cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?


I don't have a photo ID, haven't for years, and I get through life just fine, thanks.
 
2012-07-06 07:19:40 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: stewmadness: Sarsin: fuhfuhfuh: stewmadness: initiative requires voters to have photograph identification, which they can only obtain if they've got a birth certificate to present

If you don't have a copy of your birth certificate then you are a nobody anyways. Or the President, whichever.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

You need a copy of your birth certificate to get a photo ID. So say your parents lost your birth certificate they got from the hospital 18 years ago. You waited until this time to try to get a driver's license. You need to get your birth certificate to apply for a driver's license, but you need a photo ID to get your certificate. The only way you can get the photo ID is to provide a birth certificate.

How does that get resolved normally? Ignoring the whole "Mississippi is a giant bag of dicks" voting thing, if you were in that situation and wanted a driver's license how the hell would you fix that? I'm going outside of the normal Fark snark, I'm just legitimately curious if someone here has navigated that maze in any state.

Probably through your SSN# i am guessing.

Most places require a SSN and possibly signing an affidavit as a minimum in order to get a copy of your birth certificate, no photo ID required. The law being introduced in Mississippi would require you to have a photo ID in order to get a copy of your birth certificate. The law is not just about presenting photo ID to vote, but also changes the requirements for obtaining a birth certificate.


Oh awesome, I missed that part. So if you had a home birth and your parents forget to send away for your social security card, you're just farked. No drivers license for you.
 
2012-07-06 07:21:28 PM  
i159.photobucket.com

/works for all dumbass voter-ID states, not just Texass
 
2012-07-06 07:22:00 PM  

Sarsin: forget to send away for your social security card, you're just farked. No drivers license for you.


And likely no school either.

Seriously, you think there is a widespread issue of these people being born at home that have never attended any public school, had even a part time job, or has needed medical care?

If you make it to 18 years old without a Social Security Card, slap your parents in their collective mouths for being complete retards.
 
2012-07-06 07:22:06 PM  

Cataholic: Smidge204: cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?

And what makes them all want to come out into the daylight on election day?

The times I needed a photo ID are very few and far between. A better question is what the hell are YOU doing that constantly requires you to identify yourself?
=Smidge=

Driving
Having a bank account
Having my signature notarized
Buying alcohol
Buying tobacco
Renting things
Flying
Filling out an I-9 to get a job


People without IDs are somehow not doing any of this stuff.


If you're young enough to be carded when you buy tobacco, first that explains a lot, second, you're not old enough to participate in this discussion. Go take your bath and get ready for bed. No, you cant' have a glass of water. Don't give me that look. I heard that.
 
2012-07-06 07:23:21 PM  
Exception if you're old and white.
 
2012-07-06 07:23:57 PM  

Lunaville: If you're young enough to be carded when you buy tobacco, first that explains a lot, second, you're not old enough to participate in this discussion.


When did the voting age get raised from 18, in contravention of the US Constitution?

Oh wait, I see. You just wanted to feel superior.

/Still gets carded for smokes
//Is 32
 
2012-07-06 07:24:53 PM  

Cataholic: Smidge204: cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?

And what makes them all want to come out into the daylight on election day?

The times I needed a photo ID are very few and far between. A better question is what the hell are YOU doing that constantly requires you to identify yourself?
=Smidge=

Driving
Having a bank account
Having my signature notarized
Buying alcohol
Buying tobacco
Renting things
Flying
Filling out an I-9 to get a job


People without IDs are somehow not doing any of this stuff.


I work for the Department of Defense. I have a base access pass, clearance to view classified documents, and I don't have driver's license or any other form of picture ID other than my base pass. I had my wallet stolen 4 years ago and never replaced my non-driver's license (I have no depth perception so I don't drive). I don't drink or smoke, and I've never been asked for ID at any of the many places I've rented. I got approved for a car loan without an ID (the non-driver part was by far the most fun on the application, the ID part never even came up). My online bank account doesn't seem to be asking for one either.

I change states often enough that I don't want a State ID. I can go to work, come home and read fark and play games, and live my life without any ID. This will literally be the only thing I've needed an ID for in 5+ years. Maybe if I switch jobs, but I'm not really planning for that either.
 
2012-07-06 07:26:24 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: fuhfuhfuh: stewmadness: Sarsin: fuhfuhfuh: stewmadness: initiative requires voters to have photograph identification, which they can only obtain if they've got a birth certificate to present

If you don't have a copy of your birth certificate then you are a nobody anyways. Or the President, whichever.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

You need a copy of your birth certificate to get a photo ID. So say your parents lost your birth certificate they got from the hospital 18 years ago. You waited until this time to try to get a driver's license. You need to get your birth certificate to apply for a driver's license, but you need a photo ID to get your certificate. The only way you can get the photo ID is to provide a birth certificate.

How does that get resolved normally? Ignoring the whole "Mississippi is a giant bag of dicks" voting thing, if you were in that situation and wanted a driver's license how the hell would you fix that? I'm going outside of the normal Fark snark, I'm just legitimately curious if someone here has navigated that maze in any state.

Probably through your SSN# i am guessing.

Most places require a SSN and possibly signing an affidavit as a minimum in order to get a copy of your birth certificate, no photo ID required. The law being introduced in Mississippi would require you to have a photo ID in order to get a copy of your birth certificate. The law is not just about presenting photo ID to vote, but also changes the requirements for obtaining a birth certificate.

It does not change the requirements for obtaining a birth certificate. It can't possibly change them, as the new law is not yet implemented, yet the MS DPS still shows that a photo ID is required for a BC.

Here is the text of the initiative. Please show the class where it changes requirements to obtain a BC.


My bad, I misread. Instead it is already a requirement to present a photo ID to get a copy of a birth certificate. The law just makes it so that in order to get a voter ID card (due to the fact that you don't have a photo ID) you need to get a copy of your birth certificate... which requires a photo ID to receive.
 
2012-07-06 07:28:09 PM  

Cataholic: Smidge204: cchris_39: Who are these people who manage to get through life without identification and how do they do it?

And what makes them all want to come out into the daylight on election day?

The times I needed a photo ID are very few and far between. A better question is what the hell are YOU doing that constantly requires you to identify yourself?
=Smidge=

Driving
Having a bank account
Having my signature notarized
Buying alcohol
Buying tobacco
Renting things
Flying
Filling out an I-9 to get a job


People without IDs are somehow not doing any of this stuff.


I trade with my credit union all the time with just my membership card.
No problem buying cigs or booze since I am obviously over 40.
I rented a large tent for the 4th and never had to show any type of ID.
I fly (rent) a Cessna 172 most every weekend without showing ID.
My current job only required my SSN to become employed.
 
2012-07-06 07:28:40 PM  
I think there should be a flat poll tax: everyone needs to pay 10% of the MFSR of their registered car(s) to register to vote. No car, free registration.
 
2012-07-06 07:28:41 PM  

Raistlin212: This will literally be the only thing I've needed an ID for in 5+ years.


Except your access pass, or Common Access Card, is a government issued photo ID that you likely use regularly. You know, to access the base.

The cool thing is that it will also work for voting!
 
2012-07-06 07:29:24 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Sarsin: forget to send away for your social security card, you're just farked. No drivers license for you.

And likely no school either.

Seriously, you think there is a widespread issue of these people being born at home that have never attended any public school, had even a part time job, or has needed medical care?

If you make it to 18 years old without a Social Security Card, slap your parents in their collective mouths for being complete retards.


It doesn't matter if it's widespread. If it prevents one person from being able to vote who would otherwise be eligible, then it's disenfranchisement.
 
2012-07-06 07:29:32 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Sarsin: forget to send away for your social security card, you're just farked. No drivers license for you.

And likely no school either.

Seriously, you think there is a widespread issue of these people being born at home that have never attended any public school, had even a part time job, or has needed medical care?

If you make it to 18 years old without a Social Security Card, slap your parents in their collective mouths for being complete retards.


I will concede that my children each have a social security number. When I went to pre-register them for school, however, I refused to provide their social security numbers. If I had known it advance the hell I would catch trying to pre-register one of my children, due to the location listed on the birth certificate, I would have refused to show their birth certificates as well. I gave the school my ID, proof that I lived in the district, and proof that my children were immunized. They really didn't need access to further personal information about my children.
 
2012-07-06 07:30:00 PM  

gingerjet: Sarsin:

How does that get resolved normally? Ignoring the whole "Mississippi is a giant bag of dicks" voting thing, if you were in that situation and wanted a driver's license how the hell would you fix that? I'm going outside of the normal Fark snark, I'm just legitimately curious if someone here has navigated that maze in any state.

It gets better. Every state has different rules. When we were pulling the birth certificate for my boyfriend so he could get a passport - all it required was his mother and fathers maiden names and the counties they were born in to get a certified copy of his certificate. Other states require you to show up in the fark'n office with the whole damn clan to get a certified copy and navigate a bureaucratic maze.

From Tennesse it appears you have alternatives:

Two items from the following list:
Current pay stub or W2
Vehicle registration with name and current address
Voter Registration card
Military Discharge (DD214)
Utility Bill, Bank Statement or deposit slip with name and current address
Health care coverage card
Medical record
Application page of an insurance policy
Signed Social Security Card
For those person who have had their I.D. stolen, a copy a police report or other official documents which support the theft.

/getting a birth certificate is 8 bucks in Tennessee. So poll tax!


If two of those things are good enough to get a birth certificate and a birth certificate is good enough to get a photo ID and the photo ID is good enough to vote, why can't you just show up with two of those items to vote?

I farking hate every single human being that supports this shiat. You are complete farking worthless excuses for Americans. EABODaFUAD
 
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