Liberal activist law professor says liberal activist justice who wrote liberal activist opinion upholding overreaching tyrannical liberal law is okay, and the GOP is "goofy."

Now, how is this different from any other day of the week? Why is this news?

lordofwar7777: Liberal activist law professor says liberal activist justice who wrote liberal activist opinion upholding overreaching tyrannical liberal law is okay, and the GOP is "goofy."

Now, how is this different from any other day of the week? Why is this news?

What a nice shiny new alt. Does it still have that new alt smell?

devek: Serious Black: Hobodeluxe: [snip]

Good detailing of Scalia's hypocrisy, but I hope you don't expect Mr. Tiny Penis to read through all of that and put together anything remotely resembling a cogent response.

That is why conservatism works, it can be reduced to twitter length sentences such as "Keep government out of my Medicare!".

Liberalism is based off reality, and reality can't fit in 140 characters or lessPeople are intellectually lazy.

ftfy

NateAsbestos: Ed Finnerty: [dtdstudios.com image 519x599]

Great, now I'm laughing like a psychopath at work, and if my coworkers ask why I'd have to explain that it's because a Disney character is about to rape and/or beat a child. Thanks.

Sorry, man. Tell HR I said "Hi".

Sabyen91: lordofwar7777: Liberal activist law professor says liberal activist justice who wrote liberal activist opinion upholding overreaching tyrannical liberal law is okay, and the GOP is "goofy."

Now, how is this different from any other day of the week? Why is this news?

What a nice shiny new alt. Does it still have that new alt smell?

You're on drugs.

srsly, gooby? pls

lordofwar7777: Liberal activist law professor says liberal activist justice who wrote liberal activist opinion upholding overreaching tyrannical liberal law is okay, and the GOP is "goofy."

Now, how is this different from any other day of the week? Why is this news?

You here this, everyone? John Roberts and Richard Posner are liberal activists.

This is why the Republican party is less than a generation away from death or irrelevance.

lordofwar7777: Sabyen91: lordofwar7777: Liberal activist law professor says liberal activist justice who wrote liberal activist opinion upholding overreaching tyrannical liberal law is okay, and the GOP is "goofy."

Now, how is this different from any other day of the week? Why is this news?

What a nice shiny new alt. Does it still have that new alt smell?

You're on drugs.

You live in the armpit of Missouri. What's your point?

TrollingForColumbine: Sabyen91: lordofwar7777: Liberal activist law professor says liberal activist justice who wrote liberal activist opinion upholding overreaching tyrannical liberal law is okay, and the GOP is "goofy."

Now, how is this different from any other day of the week? Why is this news?

What a nice shiny new alt. Does it still have that new alt smell?

GIS for "new alt smell"
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Kinky!

lordofwar7777: Liberal activist law professor says liberal activist justice who wrote liberal activist opinion upholding overreaching tyrannical liberal law is okay, and the GOP is "goofy."

/not sure if serious or really dumb.

Serious Black: lordofwar7777: Sabyen91: lordofwar7777: Liberal activist law professor says liberal activist justice who wrote liberal activist opinion upholding overreaching tyrannical liberal law is okay, and the GOP is "goofy."

Now, how is this different from any other day of the week? Why is this news?

What a nice shiny new alt. Does it still have that new alt smell?

You're on drugs.

You live in the armpit of Missouri. What's your point?

First off, Lee's Summit is a nice place to raise kids. Second off, what, please, are you talking about?

Sabyen91: TrollingForColumbine: Sabyen91: lordofwar7777: Liberal activist law professor says liberal activist justice who wrote liberal activist opinion upholding overreaching tyrannical liberal law is okay, and the GOP is "goofy."

Now, how is this different from any other day of the week? Why is this news?

What a nice shiny new alt. Does it still have that new alt smell?

GIS for "new alt smell"
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Kinky!

You, sir, are the President of the North American Professional Understaters and Downplayers Association.

/those are downright bestial. do they talk?

Boudica's War Tampon: Sabyen91: TrollingForColumbine: Sabyen91: lordofwar7777: Liberal activist law professor says liberal activist justice who wrote liberal activist opinion upholding overreaching tyrannical liberal law is okay, and the GOP is "goofy."

Now, how is this different from any other day of the week? Why is this news?

What a nice shiny new alt. Does it still have that new alt smell?

GIS for "new alt smell"
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Kinky!

You, sir, are the President of the North American Professional Understaters and Downplayers Association.

/those are downright bestial. do they talk?

I am actually hoping they are merely salt shakers.

Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Sabyen91: TrollingForColumbine: Sabyen91: lordofwar7777: Liberal activist law professor says liberal activist justice who wrote liberal activist opinion upholding overreaching tyrannical liberal law is okay, and the GOP is "goofy."

Now, how is this different from any other day of the week? Why is this news?

What a nice shiny new alt. Does it still have that new alt smell?

GIS for "new alt smell"
[farm4.static.flickr.com image 500x403]

Kinky!

You, sir, are the President of the North American Professional Understaters and Downplayers Association.

/those are downright bestial. do they talk?

I am actually hoping they are merely salt shakers.

I was betting on pepper grinders.

Coco LaFemme: You know that comment Reagan made about how he didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left him? Well, there's a whole lot of folk out there for whom the same statement is true, just replace Democratic with Republican. The problem is, those people are a very, very silent minority, and as such, the whackaloons are the ones getting elected to, and running for, public office.

When was the last true conservative we had in the White House? Eisenhower? I don't remember much of Bush the Elder's term, but was he batshiat insane? I feel like in my lifetime, which is 1982 to the present, there's been moderate Democrats and quasi-fascists....and not much else.

I always considered Daddy Bush to be almost apolitical. That is, he liked the trappings of the office (getting to live in a nice White House, play tennis with famous people, travel around the world, meet royalty, etc.) more than the actual policy BS and therefore was mostly benign.

Quite different than Bush Junior, although Dubya didn't really care about whether or not a policy made sense in the real world, and could easily be convinced that one plus one equals applesauce by his advisors (Cheney, Rumsfeld).

Boudica's War Tampon: I was betting on pepper grinders.

Is that a euphemism? Are we back to torture-dildos?

Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: I was betting on pepper grinders.

Is that a euphemism? Are we back to torture-dildos?

My attention span is too short. I left those a long time ago.

contrapunctus: Lost Thought 00: It's not a deterioration so much as the logical conclusion derived from conservatism's core principles

SO. MUCH. THIS.

Conservatives have been running their playbook for a lot longer than most people realize. Ever read some of the criticisms of Roosevelt's New Deal when it was being implemented? The hysteria back then was no different than the bile spewed by Savage, Limbaugh, or Beck on the AM radio waves these days. Critics of FDR charged that he was an incognito socialist, that he was going to ruin our way of life, that he was anti-business. Sound familiar?

At its core, conservatism is an ideology of fear. Fear of change. Fear of other lifestyles. Fear of other people who don't look like members of 'the tribe'. Everything you find repulsive about the GOP flows from this simple fact.

This is partly correct. But although in its current incarnation it has gone off the deep end, conservatism was more about ensuring that social changes did not leave parts of the nation behind, and leave them feeling disenfranchised. Think about the major differences between big cities, and small towns. Ideas in big cities spread like wild fire, and things that you may have once thought unacceptable, gain wide currency. Integration, civil rights, were such ideas. In many towns, because of their limited interaction with cities and the various people you meet and interact with, take a lot longer to arrive at the same point. Conservatism, as its name implies was about ensuring that if changes happened, they did not do so too fast for them to be acceptable to the community at large. So, in essence, Democrats pushed for social change, and acceptance, while Republicans pushed to slow these changes down. The engine can't move faster than the caboose, as it were.

The flip side of this came within the economic sphere. There, the Republicans were the engine, to some extent, pushing for risky changes to generate more wealth. The Democrats were the break, pushing for more equitable distribution, caring for the disadvantaged and ensuring that as more wealth was created for the top, the bottom was not left without a means to climb the economic ladder. In essence, they became the caboose.

This formula has worked on various issues, for decades, once party being caboose or engine for an issue or another, ensuring that we got buy in from a majority of the populace prior to moving forward. That arrangement, has now, run its course, and we are in an age where the whole is being redefined. Unfortunately, thanks to the GOP flying off the handle in more ways than one, and running the country to the ground under George W. Bush, Jr. They now have to make President Obama seem foreign and outside of the main stream, by pushing the center further to the right, so as to be able to regain power. That is why they call him a socialist, suggest he was not American born, or does not share "our" values. They know they screwed up, big time, but the only way to get back into power is to double down on radicalism. All of a sudden, to downplay their own failures, Obama's "failures" however small, are magnified and vocalized in such a way as to undermine his presidency. Otherwise, they fear a post-WWII outcome, where Democrats were able to control the Presidency for more than a decade. Obama fanned their fears by voicing his desire to be a transformational President, as Reagan and Roosevelt had been before him. This is what they sought to prevent most of all, while also pinning much of the blame for their own mistakes and economic mismanagement on him, thus ensuring that they could reclaim the White House once again.

Interesting... Only problem with TFA is that they never ask him when he personally thinks things went off the rails. That would be enlightening. My best is somewhere in the last 10 years or so, quite possibly the last 5.

maudibjr: Pretty much mirrors my thoughts.

I lean toward some of the more basic conservative tenants, especially fiscal, but man, many of today's 'conservatives' are knuckle dragging idiots. And there so farking loud and prissy.

Yeah, I tend to think of myself as an Independent. I can see both sides of many issues, and can support issues on both sides. The problem is that the Right has gotten so ridiculously out of control, I have nothing to balance out the Left. I'm stuck at supporting them, or voting 'nobody', because there are almost no decent conservative candidates or platforms now.

deadcrickets: Corvus: So when are conservatives going to make a stand and say they are not going to support these crazy teatards anymore?

The only way it will change is by voting for Gary Johnson (or Obama) instead of Romney. If they know you are going to vote for them anyways no matter how crazy they are it will never change.

It's going to happen sooner or later, there will be a big split, the question is when.

I've already got a plan to sabotage Romney locally. My area is pure Southern Baptist. Not once in the past 50 years has it gone Democratic or otherwise on any level. I plan to deliver to every mailbox in the area a letter supporting Romney where he talks about his Mormonism and how he feels it's the only true Christianity. The day after I do that I plan to deliver another one with a cd that shows him on video talking about his support of gay rights and him increasing taxes in Taxachusetts. This will all happen within days of the election.

I hope you have a raincoat because the splatter from all the heads exploding will be very messy.

gilgigamesh: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Heh... I would give nearly anything to hear what William F. Buckley would have to say about "conservatives" today

/of course, he was one of them innullekshul eeleats
//I did admire that man

Here you go: "Ship of fools".



Thanks for that, it was a fun read. It read like Hunter Thomson with less sex and drugs.

Mikey1969: Interesting... Only problem with TFA is that they never ask him when he personally thinks things went off the rails. That would be enlightening. My best is somewhere in the last 10 years or so, quite possibly the last 5.

I think the start was the Bush v. Gore Supreme Court decision. The divisiveness and the rancor from BOTH parties got cranked up to around 10 about that point and things have started to slide. Democrats seem to have gotten over it, but the Republicans have become very polarizing. I think seeing Obama in the White House made a lot of the GOP flip out, so this past 5 years is when it's truly gotten bad.

I'll continue to be a card-carrying Republican in hopes that the party will take itself back from the Fundies and Teabaggers, but it's going to be at least 12 years before they recover from the damage they're doing. In the meantime, I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

Mikey1969: somewhere in the last 10 years or so,

Yes.

From audio clip where Belittles Reagan's intellect, supports Friedman, call Carter a flop and said firing the air controllers was a good thing.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Shrugging Atlas: I'd be real curious to have William F. Buckley, Jr.'s thoughts on this were he still alive today.

Look upthread. gilgigamesh posted a link to an interesting National Review article in response to that same query

Behold the power of Fark! Thanks for pointing that out.

Mikey1969: Interesting... Only problem with TFA is that they never ask him when he personally thinks things went off the rails. That would be enlightening. My best is somewhere in the last 10 years or so, quite possibly the last 5.

I can pinpoint the moment of derailment with almost excruciating accuracy. Everything before it was just build up.

The moment McCain conceded to Obama.

ox45tallboy: Dog Welder: think the start was the Bush v. Gore Supreme Court decision. The divisiveness and the rancor from BOTH parties got cranked up to around 10 about that point and things have started to slide. Democrats seem to have gotten over it, but the Republicans have become very polarizing. I think seeing Obama in the White House made a lot of the GOP flip out, so this past 5 years is when it's truly gotten bad.

I'll continue to be a card-carrying Republican in hopes that the party will take itself back from the Fundies and Teabaggers, but it's going to be at least 12 years before they recover from the damage they're doing. In the meantime, I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

Regardless of the (well-deserved) butt-hurt on the left from the Bush v. Gore decision, on the day of Bush's SOTU address following 9/11, Americans as a whole accepted Bush as their leader. Many still didn't like it, but they accepted it. Obama hasn't had the same opportunity for a transformational incident which helps a nation to coalesce behind its leaders. This is why you still have birthers and "Kenyan mooslim Socialist"-ers and "FW:FW:FW: IMPORTANT FW: What the MSM isn't telling you" e-mails in your inbox.

If, God forbid, a 9/11 type attack happened today, the Republicans will be moving for the impeachment of Obama. You can bank on it.

HellRaisingHoosier: I'm a Millennial. A crazy Republican is the only Republican I know. Think about it for a moment. My generation is really only familiar with 3 groups of Republicans:


1) The Republicans who shut down the government under Clinton
*followed by*
2) The Republicans who ran the country into the ground under the Bush Administration
*followed by*
3) The Republicans who are currently run by the Tea Party

When old people talk about the good old days ... I have no farking clue what they're talking about. It's like there is this bully that beats you up every day and calls you a pussy; then some new person comes along saying that bully used to help old women across the road and was nice so they still must be that way. But because you're currently getting beat up all the time by the bully, you can't help but think that the new person is farking crazy.

National leadership sure. But hell, I remember when McCain was against torture. Those were the days...

So damn thankful that my state also has a not crazy Republican governor. Don't like him all the time but at least he vetoes stupid crap like the voter ID law and environmental rollbacks. And is ostensibly the only state Republican who isn't in the pocket of the douchebag who owns the Detroit-Canada bridge.

I often meet honestly decent fiscal conservatives at my work. We usually end up agreeing to disagree over a handshake after a great conversation. THAT IS WHAT WE NEED BACK DAMMIT. If you are one of them I implore you to get involved. Because we need two - or more - political parties who can compromise LIKE ADULTS.

/Still, I don't blame Snowe for leaving

Ned Stark: Coco LaFemme: You know that comment Reagan made about how he didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left him? Well, there's a whole lot of folk out there for whom the same statement is true, just replace Democratic with Republican. The problem is, those people are a very, very silent minority, and as such, the whackaloons are the ones getting elected to, and running for, public office.

When was the last true conservative we had in the White House? Eisenhower? I don't remember much of Bush the Elder's term, but was he batshiat insane? I feel like in my lifetime, which is 1982 to the present, there's been moderate Democrats and quasi-fascists....and not much else.

We have a conservative president right now.

Bush 1 was actually a pretty decent president. He was saddled with a nasty recession coming off the market crash from the snl scandals and shiate from the end of reagan's run, and Clinton was a charismatic guy. Otherwise he probably would have seen a second term, and Republicans probably wouldn't be quite as crazy as they are today. Seems like they lost it during the Clinton years and just haven't recovered.

ox45tallboy: Dog Welder: think the start was the Bush v. Gore Supreme Court decision. The divisiveness and the rancor from BOTH parties got cranked up to around 10 about that point and things have started to slide. Democrats seem to have gotten over it, but the Republicans have become very polarizing. I think seeing Obama in the White House made a lot of the GOP flip out, so this past 5 years is when it's truly gotten bad.

I'll continue to be a card-carrying Republican in hopes that the party will take itself back from the Fundies and Teabaggers, but it's going to be at least 12 years before they recover from the damage they're doing. In the meantime, I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

Regardless of the (well-deserved) butt-hurt on the left from the Bush v. Gore decision, on the day of Bush's SOTU address following 9/11, Americans as a whole accepted Bush as their leader. Many still didn't like it, but they accepted it. Obama hasn't had the same opportunity for a transformational incident which helps a nation to coalesce behind its leaders. This is why you still have birthers and "Kenyan mooslim Socialist"-ers and "FW:FW:FW: IMPORTANT FW: What the MSM isn't telling you" e-mails in your inbox.

I remember really hoping that would have made Dubya, well, grow up.

Christ, I was just starting school at one of the most liberal cities in the state on 9/11 and until Iraq broke the camels back most people I knew were tentatively supportive and aware of the enormity of what he was facing. Then came yellowcake...

kasmel: Ned Stark: Coco LaFemme: You know that comment Reagan made about how he didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left him? Well, there's a whole lot of folk out there for whom the same statement is true, just replace Democratic with Republican. The problem is, those people are a very, very silent minority, and as such, the whackaloons are the ones getting elected to, and running for, public office.

When was the last true conservative we had in the White House? Eisenhower? I don't remember much of Bush the Elder's term, but was he batshiat insane? I feel like in my lifetime, which is 1982 to the present, there's been moderate Democrats and quasi-fascists....and not much else.

We have a conservative president right now.

Bush 1 was actually a pretty decent president. He was saddled with a nasty recession coming off the market crash from the snl scandals and shiate from the end of reagan's run, and Clinton was a charismatic guy. Otherwise he probably would have seen a second term, and Republicans probably wouldn't be quite as crazy as they are today. Seems like they lost it during the Clinton years and just haven't recovered.

Really reaching into the memory core here (I remember our class having mock presidential debates with troll dolls) but did Perot end up pulling support away as well?

I remember my family not particularly liking Senior but he didn't rile them up, they simply prefered Clinton. Whereas my dad actually got actively involved in 04 and 08 for the first time in probably ever. Always voted but kept quiet til then.

/shrug

Serious Black: AliceBToklasLives: It's simple.

Posner is a conservative.

The lunatics running the Republican Party asylum are not conservatives.

Good point. I need to stop using the word "conservative" and start exclusively calling them reactionary or regressive. Not sure which is the better term.

Split the difference and call it regressivary?

Dr Dreidel: I was a liberal-turned-conservative-turned-liberal before it was cool.

Farking Posneurs.

Thank you, you just made the money I poured into a new fuel injector today hurt less.

HellRaisingHoosier: I'm a Millennial. A crazy Republican is the only Republican I know. Think about it for a moment. My generation is really only familiar with 3 groups of Republicans:


1) The Republicans who shut down the government under Clinton
*followed by*
2) The Republicans who ran the country into the ground under the Bush Administration
*followed by*
3) The Republicans who are currently run by the Tea Party

When old people talk about the good old days ... I have no farking clue what they're talking about. It's like there is this bully that beats you up every day and calls you a pussy; then some new person comes along saying that bully used to help old women across the road and was nice so they still must be that way. But because you're currently getting beat up all the time by the bully, you can't help but think that the new person is farking crazy.

All of ^THIS^

The republicans have lost our entire generation. We're jobless or under employed, we have seen our brothers, sisters, and friends maimed and killed in a pointless war, we have seen the republican's face of pure greed and we're not going to forget it.

And just a tip for republicans out there...socialist isn't an insult anymore. We like the idea of helping those less fortunate, even if that means a bit more in taxes. Oh, and we don't care if gays get married, we understand the horrible neccessity of abortion and support real sex ed, not abstinence.

Sorry old timers, but we watched you destroy our future. No way in hell we support you corporatist farkers.

ox45tallboy: Dog Welder: think the start was the Bush v. Gore Supreme Court decision. The divisiveness and the rancor from BOTH parties got cranked up to around 10 about that point and things have started to slide. Democrats seem to have gotten over it, but the Republicans have become very polarizing. I think seeing Obama in the White House made a lot of the GOP flip out, so this past 5 years is when it's truly gotten bad.

I'll continue to be a card-carrying Republican in hopes that the party will take itself back from the Fundies and Teabaggers, but it's going to be at least 12 years before they recover from the damage they're doing. In the meantime, I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

Regardless of the (well-deserved) butt-hurt on the left from the Bush v. Gore decision, on the day of Bush's SOTU address following 9/11, Americans as a whole accepted Bush as their leader. Many still didn't like it, but they accepted it. Obama hasn't had the same opportunity for a transformational incident which helps a nation to coalesce behind its leaders. This is why you still have birthers and "Kenyan mooslim Socialist"-ers and "FW:FW:FW: IMPORTANT FW: What the MSM isn't telling you" e-mails in your inbox.

True. (And thankfully we haven't recently had a transformational event like 9/11. I think we can all agree on that.) But, keep in mind that what followed 9/11 was the Truthers, who were largely left wing, and who thought a complete idiot like George W. Bush was somehow able to instigate the largest criminal conspiracy ever known to mankind.

I still maintain Bush v. Gore got the ball rolling, but the real divisiveness manifested with Obama's election and the rise of the Tea Party. At its outset, the ideas of the Tea Party were easy to get behind (lower taxes, responsibility in government spending), but their movement was very quickly compromised by the extreme radical right wing movement. Couple that with the rise of the Religious Right in the GOP, and you have a pretty serious disaster in Congress.