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2012-07-06 02:29:26 PM  
Zombie Ted Knight!

thenewcivilrightsmovement.com
 
2012-07-06 02:31:58 PM  
Interesting point. Now allow me to retort:

www.theantiliberalzone.com
 
2012-07-06 02:34:48 PM  
Bryan Fischer yesterday decided the government should mandate that all Americans attend church (not temple or any other house of worship) and if they refuse the government should tax them for "endangering their physical health."

Oh, you're making a health care analogy. Well, you see the problem is that health care actually takes care of your health while religion mostly takes care of itself. And I suppose your spiritual health, but you try prayer and I'll try a bone marrow transplant and we'll see which one of us survives the longest, ok?
 
2012-07-06 02:35:22 PM  
I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional.
 
2012-07-06 02:38:19 PM  

SundaesChild: I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional.


Gee, do you think?
 
2012-07-06 02:38:44 PM  
I imagine most Christians, hearing this guy say this crap, feel the same way I do when I hear about some atheist guy trying to keep a local business from giving a church-bulletin discount.
 
2012-07-06 02:40:15 PM  
 
2012-07-06 02:41:44 PM  

vartian: Bryan Fischer yesterday decided the government should mandate that all Americans attend church (not temple or any other house of worship) and if they refuse the government should tax them for "endangering their physical health."

Oh, you're making a health care analogy. Well, you see the problem is that health care actually takes care of your health while religion mostly takes care of itself. And I suppose your spiritual health, but you try prayer and I'll try a bone marrow transplant and we'll see which one of us survives the longest, ok?


Each one of these retarded "analogies" gets more short bus than the last. I thought they topped it with the "make every lib buy a gun for self defense or tax them" idea, but I was wrong. This is dumber.

The obvious intention is to rile liberals with these comparisons, but all it serves to do is prove the point that an insurance mandate is a unique circumstance. Oh, and these people are still whining over their achy butts. That too.

So by all means, keep it up, geniuses.
 
2012-07-06 02:42:12 PM  
Fine, as long as the government can remove the tax exemption afforded houses of worship (churches, synagogues, temples, etc.).
 
2012-07-06 02:45:13 PM  
Damn.. the retard is turned up to 22 today

/that SCOTUS decision really drove these shiatstains right over the edge, didn't it?
 
2012-07-06 02:45:18 PM  
We're already subsidizing these non-charitable delusions
 
2012-07-06 02:45:20 PM  
Can I count watching football on Sundays to be attending mass if it's in praise of Breesus?
 
2012-07-06 02:47:02 PM  
img1.fark.net Total idiot says something stupid
 
2012-07-06 02:47:58 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /that SCOTUS decision really drove these shiatstains right over the edge, didn't it?


Yup. Right over the edge of our nation's underwear, and now they're on our pants.
 
2012-07-06 02:49:14 PM  

Chameleon: [img1.fark.net image 54x11] Total idiot says something stupid


That pretty much sums it up, yeah.

/move along, nothing to see here...
 
2012-07-06 02:50:32 PM  
unless everyone will consume religion at some point in their lives, and unless this forces the rest of us to subsidize their faith monetarily, then this analogy is just farking stupid.
 
2012-07-06 02:51:59 PM  

FlashHarry: unless everyone will consume religion at some point in their lives, and unless this forces the rest of us to subsidize their faith monetarily, then this analogy is just farking stupid.


Since they don't pay taxes, I'd say we already subsidize religion with taxpayer money
 
2012-07-06 02:55:03 PM  
The important thing is that institutions of faith remain exempt

www.openheaven.com
 
2012-07-06 02:55:45 PM  
i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-06 02:58:13 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /that SCOTUS decision really drove these shiatstains right over the edge, didn't it?

Yup. Right over the edge of our nation's underwear, and now they're on our pants.


Hey, I've been there. Who hasn't.

But when it happens to me I discretely go home and change, as opposed to parading up and down the street to show it to the world.
 
2012-07-06 03:02:56 PM  
Sorry, I'm a founding member of the Church of Monday Night Football, and as such I am immune to religious taxes.
 
2012-07-06 03:08:33 PM  
Christians fighting people being able to afford health insurance.

Its what Jesus would have wanted.
 
2012-07-06 03:09:12 PM  
Fark needs to stop giving this guy attention.

One can keep up with him here... http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/bryan-fischer
 
2012-07-06 03:19:49 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Let me recap for the people who don't know who Brian Fisher's dumb ass is.

Kill all bears
Obama wants Indians to be our overlords
Muslims are inbred
Muslims have no 1st Amendment rights
The medal of honor has become 'feminized' because we gave it to someone for a reason other than killing people

Plus plenty more.


That is hilarious. Now I know where Stephen Colbert got that shtick
 
2012-07-06 03:23:01 PM  
Sounds muslimy. And as well all know, muslims are terrorists. So then that makes these guys terrorists. Why do they hate america?
 
2012-07-06 03:23:37 PM  
Did you know you have to pay a tax for being atheist in the middle east as well? So glad the American Family Association is implementing Sharia law!
 
2012-07-06 03:24:02 PM  

teto85: Sorry, I'm a founding member of the Church of Monday Night Football, and as such I am immune to religious taxes.


I came here to say something similar...let them have their stupid law, and we atheists will create our own churches to stay in compliance with it. :)
 
2012-07-06 03:24:40 PM  

vartian: Bryan Fischer yesterday decided the government should mandate that all Americans attend church (not temple or any other house of worship) and if they refuse the government should tax them for "endangering their physical health."

Oh, you're making a health care analogy. Well, you see the problem is that health care actually takes care of your health while religion mostly takes care of itself. And I suppose your spiritual health, but you try prayer and I'll try a bone marrow transplant and we'll see which one of us survives the longest, ok?


Not worshipping god endangers my PHYSICAL health?

Wow, I want to see that study!
 
2012-07-06 03:24:43 PM  
Go and die you farking shriv!! No one but you and a few desparate others want to live in the regressive, stupid, ugly world you would like to be in. You are archaic, ill informed and a pox on forward thinking and progress. Seriously, kill yourself you douchebag!
 
2012-07-06 03:25:18 PM  
It honestly seems like sarcasm to me. He knows forcing people to go to church is illegal, and he thinks that forcing people to get health insurance is illegal as well, so in his mind the two are comparable.
 
2012-07-06 03:25:42 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Not worshipping god endangers my PHYSICAL health?

Wow, I want to see that study!


If you don't worship their god, they will kill you.
 
2012-07-06 03:25:42 PM  
butts are frustrated
 
2012-07-06 03:26:10 PM  

rudemix: Go and die you farking shriv!! No one but you and a few desparate others want to live in the regressive, stupid, ugly world you would like to be in. You are archaic, ill informed and a pox on forward thinking and progress. Seriously, kill yourself you douchebag!


this guy is a confirmed douchecanoe, but you really should try the decaffeinated crystal meth.
 
2012-07-06 03:26:40 PM  
Churches need to have skin in the game, if you know what I mean
 
2012-07-06 03:26:45 PM  
What a true American.
 
2012-07-06 03:27:49 PM  

heap: rudemix: Go and die you farking shriv!! No one but you and a few desparate others want to live in the regressive, stupid, ugly world you would like to be in. You are archaic, ill informed and a pox on forward thinking and progress. Seriously, kill yourself you douchebag!

this guy is a confirmed douchecanoe, but you really should try the decaffeinated crystal meth.


Decaffeinated meth? Like this is Monday or something.
 
2012-07-06 03:28:05 PM  

FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 481x343]


...Gomez Aadams?
 
2012-07-06 03:28:36 PM  
We already do that by subsidizing all the tithes that are received by tax exempt churches. What they don't pay, we have to pay
 
2012-07-06 03:28:42 PM  
It's not often that somebody suggests a policy that would violate both the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause at the exact same time. Good work, sir! I tip my hat to you.
 
2012-07-06 03:29:22 PM  

Aarontology: Can I count watching football on Sundays to be attending mass if it's in praise of Breesus?


Yes. I love the Bible verses about Breesus the best.

i27.photobucket.com

/football hijack?
//story's stupid anyway
 
2012-07-06 03:30:31 PM  

Di Atribe: Yes. I love the Bible verses about Breesus the best.


Breesus throws spirals for our sins.
 
2012-07-06 03:30:56 PM  
lavistachurchofchrist.org

#11: Thou shall not derp
 
2012-07-06 03:31:23 PM  
Cool! I'm off to join up with my local Church of Satan grotto then.
 
2012-07-06 03:31:37 PM  

Osomatic: I imagine most Christians, hearing this guy say this crap, feel the same way I do when I hear about some atheist guy trying to keep a local business from giving a church-bulletin discount.


The article did not state as much, so I am now curious; please identify the nationally known and politically influential organization of which Mr. John Wolff is a public spokesman.
 
2012-07-06 03:32:11 PM  
Of course, lost on Fischer are issues like the separation of church and state, and the fact that just walking into a building labeled a church does not improve anyone's health.

ha!
 
2012-07-06 03:33:45 PM  
Why do people like this even get air time?
 
2012-07-06 03:33:51 PM  

Aarontology: Di Atribe: Yes. I love the Bible verses about Breesus the best.

Breesus throws spirals for our sins.


We need robsul82 to come in and regale us with his scripture
 
2012-07-06 03:33:56 PM  

busy chillin': [lavistachurchofchrist.org image 530x640]

#11: Thou shall not derp


lavistachurchofchrist.org

"You know, I just hate those athiest guys so much that it should cost them money. Yeah! yeah! That's a great idea! I should make one of the holy men who represent me on earth promote such a thing! Man, being jesus is AWESOME!"
 
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2012-07-06 03:34:10 PM  

Chameleon: [img1.fark.net image 54x11] Total idiot says something stupid


You forgot
img69.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-06 03:34:11 PM  

gilgigamesh: The obvious intention is to rile liberals with these comparisons, but all it serves to do is prove the point that an insurance mandate is a unique circumstance. Oh, and these people are still whining over their achy butts. That too.


I had thought that such individuals opposed such behaviour.
 
2012-07-06 03:34:17 PM  
If the AFA is seeking to bring more people into the flock, they're doing it REALLY wrong.

I love that the AFA has the same acronym as the AFA.

My Nelson Muntz...let me show you it.
 
2012-07-06 03:35:02 PM  
Anyone want to bet that this guy is a regular at the bus depot's men's room (Stall #3)?
 
2012-07-06 03:35:13 PM  
All the more reason for me to remain agnostic.

Tax that, assholes.
 
2012-07-06 03:36:10 PM  

karnal: Why do people like this even get air time?


That's kind of where I was going. This guy is a spokesman. And as far as I can tell he's only preaching to the converted. What is his purpose other than to make extreme and outlandish statements? And if that's all he does, what does that accomplish?
 
2012-07-06 03:36:10 PM  

deadcrickets: Did you know you have to pay a tax for being atheist in the middle east as well? So glad the American Family Association is implementing Sharia law!


sarcasm
But this is Christian Sharia law, which makes it ok. After all it's what the founding fathers and god intended.
/sarcasm
 
2012-07-06 03:36:24 PM  
Fun fact - the federal government is explicitly forbidden from establishing an official/state religion.

Another fun fact: there is no explicit restrictions against taxes in the constitution other than poll taxes (the 16th Amendment resolved the method limits in Article I).

You tell me the difference.
 
2012-07-06 03:36:32 PM  
He's not serious. He's just trollin'.
 
2012-07-06 03:36:36 PM  

SilentStrider: All the more reason for me to remain agnostic.

Tax that, assholes.


They either will or they won't. Who's to know?
 
2012-07-06 03:37:40 PM  
Fark this guy.

Seriously, fark him.

Fark him, his whore of a mother, and his molesting father.
 
2012-07-06 03:39:42 PM  
t(^^t)
 
2012-07-06 03:40:06 PM  
Notice how before the court ruling on health care, the cons. were all "let's be nice "when" the libs. lose". They were all certain they were going to "win" (translated-the poor, and middle class lose...again). But wait: Now , they are all, "you cheated", and "you guys suck". It's like High School all over again, only I'm not the geek who gets his head stuck in the trash can. Kind of a cool feeling, however; I'm not stupid enough to get used to it.
 
2012-07-06 03:40:25 PM  
Man, the whirlwind of Derper Head A Splosions is starting to really spin into high gear, isn't it?
 
2012-07-06 03:40:40 PM  
Sweet farking Jesus.

I know we joke about the American Taliban, but this is literally an Islamic concept: Link

Jizya is a tax that non-Muslims in a Muslim state pay. There are a few rationales, but the main is that on a Muslim state, Muslims are already tithing which is essentially a tax since the religion is the state. Jizya is a non-muslim's contribution to the state for both charity and the protection the government provides.

It's telling that a centuries old Muslim concept of taxation is more coherent than a modern Evangelical one.
 
2012-07-06 03:41:00 PM  
B-Fisch should be careful what he wishes for. If atheists had to attend the local megachurch they'd launch into Bible study classes with gusto, pointing out contradictions and inconsistencies, asking about changes in textual history, discussing the ways in which God acts like a monstrous, murderous, insane person throughout the book, etc. They'd be paying us to leave eventually.
 
2012-07-06 03:41:03 PM  
Jamestown already tried this... It didn't work out too well.
 
2012-07-06 03:41:32 PM  

Dimensio: Osomatic: I imagine most Christians, hearing this guy say this crap, feel the same way I do when I hear about some atheist guy trying to keep a local business from giving a church-bulletin discount.

The article did not state as much, so I am now curious; please identify the nationally known and politically influential organization of which Mr. John Wolff is a public spokesman.


The organization of Oh Cut It Out Already, that's what.
 
2012-07-06 03:41:46 PM  
I already pay a tax for being an atheist -- I help subsidize everyone's tax deductions they receive from the donations they make to religious institutions.
 
2012-07-06 03:42:32 PM  

Aarontology: Can I count watching football on Sundays to be attending mass if it's in praise of Breesus?


Only if you're watching the game Tebow is in.
 
2012-07-06 03:43:25 PM  

Diogenes: karnal: Why do people like this even get air time?

That's kind of where I was going. This guy is a spokesman. And as far as I can tell he's only preaching to the converted. What is his purpose other than to make extreme and outlandish statements? And if that's all he does, what does that accomplish?


Rile the troops. Demonize the enemy. Ramp up loyalty.
 
2012-07-06 03:44:26 PM  

Renart: B-Fisch should be careful what he wishes for. If atheists had to attend the local megachurch they'd launch into Bible study classes with gusto, pointing out contradictions and inconsistencies, asking about changes in textual history, discussing the ways in which God acts like a monstrous, murderous, insane person throughout the book, etc. They'd be paying us to leave eventually.


We just need Jesus in our lives.

Lettuce pray.
 
2012-07-06 03:44:46 PM  
I know what I want to say, but I don't feel like trying to explain what I said to a couple of federal officials who have better things to do.
 
2012-07-06 03:44:58 PM  

Epoch_Zero: SilentStrider: All the more reason for me to remain agnostic.

Tax that, assholes.

They either will or they won't. Who's to know?


Schrodinger's Tax?
 
2012-07-06 03:45:13 PM  

Osomatic: Dimensio: Osomatic: I imagine most Christians, hearing this guy say this crap, feel the same way I do when I hear about some atheist guy trying to keep a local business from giving a church-bulletin discount.

The article did not state as much, so I am now curious; please identify the nationally known and politically influential organization of which Mr. John Wolff is a public spokesman.

The organization of Oh Cut It Out Already, that's what.


I am unable to locate any information regarding such an organization. Have you a reference to a website, or to documentation of their tax exempt status? Obviously, such information must be available if your original analogy was valid.
 
2012-07-06 03:45:32 PM  

gilgigamesh: Each one of these retarded "analogies" gets more short bus than the last. I thought they topped it with the "make every lib buy a gun for self defense or tax them" idea, but I was wrong. This is dumber.


There used to be a rebate for a small business to buy an SUV, so in effect everyone who didn't buy an SUV was taxed.

I am also being taxed for not having children.

Luckily I have a mortgage, so I don't have to pay the not-paying-mortgage-interest tax.

Furthermore, charitable giving is tax deductible, so as an athiest I am already getting the no-tithe tax.
 
2012-07-06 03:46:17 PM  

thornhill: I already pay a tax for being an atheist -- I help subsidize everyone's tax deductions they receive from the donations they make to religious institutions.


Same here. In fact, I think we should make churches pay for their 'donations' because it's quite a scam they have going.
 
2012-07-06 03:46:57 PM  

Diogenes: karnal: Why do people like this even get air time?

That's kind of where I was going. This guy is a spokesman. And as far as I can tell he's only preaching to the converted. What is his purpose other than to make extreme and outlandish statements? And if that's all he does, what does that accomplish?


The Evangelical base requires redder and redder meat to feed the outrage. He's not there to convert, or convince; he's there to keep the anger stoked.
 
2012-07-06 03:47:44 PM  

Osomatic: Dimensio: Osomatic: I imagine most Christians, hearing this guy say this crap, feel the same way I do when I hear about some atheist guy trying to keep a local business from giving a church-bulletin discount.

The article did not state as much, so I am now curious; please identify the nationally known and politically influential organization of which Mr. John Wolff is a public spokesman.

The organization of Oh Cut It Out Already, that's what.


And its local chapter, Now Have a Drink and Calm the fark Down.
 
2012-07-06 03:50:11 PM  

lawboy87: Anyone want to bet that this guy is a regular at the bus depot's men's room (Stall #3)?



Came in to say this. How long before his gay lover of 11 years comes out to talk about their meth-fueled man-love sessions.
 
2012-07-06 03:51:45 PM  
A Catholic demands non-Catholics surrender their loot?

THIS IS MY SHOCKED FACE.

// come take it, shiatheel
 
2012-07-06 03:52:07 PM  
Diogenes

karnal: Why do people like this even get air time?

That's kind of where I was going. This guy is a spokesman. And as far as I can tell he's only preaching to the converted. What is his purpose other than to make extreme and outlandish statements? And if that's all he does, what does that accomplish?




For some reason people follow this guy....just like that nutjob Fred Phelps. I think all it accomplishes is it fires up their base....put them into the limelight. And then it gets into the news and here we are talking about them.
 
2012-07-06 03:52:11 PM  
Oh, so you want to tax religion, or lack of it?

Time to pay up, assholes. You owe US Taxpayers about 236 years worth of back taxes, plus interest.

Keep religion the fark out of politics.

/not an atheist
//might become one if this BS keeps up
 
2012-07-06 03:52:52 PM  

ArgusRun: Sweet farking Jesus.

I know we joke about the American Taliban, but this is literally an Islamic concept: Link

Jizya is a tax that non-Muslims in a Muslim state pay. There are a few rationales, but the main is that on a Muslim state, Muslims are already tithing which is essentially a tax since the religion is the state. Jizya is a non-muslim's contribution to the state for both charity and the protection the government provides.

It's telling that a centuries old Muslim concept of taxation is more coherent than a modern Evangelical one.


Damn! Who knew that Islamic Sharia law was infecting not just our secular government, but our Christian theocratic governments too? Is nobody safe from the terrorists anymore?
 
2012-07-06 03:53:30 PM  
That's why I started the "First Holy Church of Not Giving a Flying Fark".

Meetings are in my basement.

May be confused with certain aspects of Rastafarian culture.
 
2012-07-06 03:53:37 PM  

karnal: Diogenes

karnal: Why do people like this even get air time?

That's kind of where I was going. This guy is a spokesman. And as far as I can tell he's only preaching to the converted. What is his purpose other than to make extreme and outlandish statements? And if that's all he does, what does that accomplish?



For some reason people follow this guy....just like that nutjob Fred Phelps. I think all it accomplishes is it fires up their base....put them into the limelight. And then it gets into the news and here we are talking about them.


Except these douchebags actually have members in Congress. Who listen to their recommendations.
 
2012-07-06 03:54:17 PM  
lj1330


Notice how before the court ruling on health care, the cons. were all "let's be nice "when" the libs. lose". They were all certain they were going to "win" (translated-the poor, and middle class lose...again). But wait: Now , they are all, "you cheated", and "you guys suck". It's like High School all over again, only I'm not the geek who gets his head stuck in the trash can. Kind of a cool feeling, however; I'm not stupid enough to get used to it.



Sure you are - you got to give yourself a little more credit.
 
2012-07-06 03:54:24 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Damn.. the retard is turned up to 22 today

/that SCOTUS decision really drove these shiatstains right over the edge, didn't it?


Good. Maybe they'll finally shut up about Roe Vs. Wade. Especially since the ACA was argued in front of a conservative court, whose majority was put on the bench my Reagan and two Bushes
 
2012-07-06 03:54:51 PM  

mainstreet62: Oh, so you want to tax religion, or lack of it?

Time to pay up, assholes. You owe US Taxpayers about 236 years worth of back taxes, plus interest.

Keep religion the fark out of politics.

/not an atheist
//might become one if this BS keeps up


We have cookies.
 
2012-07-06 03:56:03 PM  
I actually (kind of) appreciate the point he's trying to make, my guess is he has no idea he's comparing apples to oranges.

Uninsured people that end up at - say - the ER because they can't be turned away costs all of us more in the end, so these costs are socialized anyway. I'm not aware of any way that atheism imposes a societal cost, aside from atheists generally being unbearably smug and over-estimating their own intelligence.
 
2012-07-06 03:56:17 PM  
I'm up for a 'spiritual release' mandate if we can remove the ability to tax religious institutions. I feel the government sending me to some relaxing Buddhist sessions would probably help lower my stress levels.
 
2012-07-06 03:56:21 PM  
Somebody should flood his email inbox with the studies that prove prayer doesn't change the outcome of hospital patients' illnesses. I just don't have the time.
 
2012-07-06 03:56:44 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Churches need to have skin in the game, if you know what I mean


As opposed to skin in the alter boy?
 
2012-07-06 03:58:04 PM  

SpectroBoy: That's why I started the "First Holy Church of Not Giving a Flying Fark".

Meetings are in my basement.

May be confused with certain aspects of Rastafarian culture.


This Sunday I will be attending the Tyrion Church of Tits and Wine. Who wants to come and pray with me?
 
2012-07-06 03:58:49 PM  
how about no, but what we can do is to start taxing religious organizations just as any other organizations are taxed.
 
2012-07-06 03:58:52 PM  
Where'd they say this, Iran?

/Checks article


Yep, pretty much might as well be Iran. The Christian Taliban is out in full force today. I wish their HQ in Colorado would have torched instead of some family homes. That would have been justice.
 
2012-07-06 03:59:01 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-06 03:59:04 PM  
Gyrfalcon

karnal: Diogenes

karnal: Why do people like this even get air time?

That's kind of where I was going. This guy is a spokesman. And as far as I can tell he's only preaching to the converted. What is his purpose other than to make extreme and outlandish statements? And if that's all he does, what does that accomplish?



For some reason people follow this guy....just like that nutjob Fred Phelps. I think all it accomplishes is it fires up their base....put them into the limelight. And then it gets into the news and here we are talking about them.

Except these douchebags actually have members in Congress. Who listen to their recommendations.



I don't see any member of Congress listening to his "tax the atheist" nonsense, do you?
 
2012-07-06 04:00:32 PM  

Osomatic: I imagine most Christians, hearing this guy say this crap, feel the same way I do when I hear about some atheist guy trying to keep a local business from giving a church-bulletin discount.


This
 
2012-07-06 04:03:43 PM  

BSABSVR: Diogenes: karnal: Why do people like this even get air time?

That's kind of where I was going. This guy is a spokesman. And as far as I can tell he's only preaching to the converted. What is his purpose other than to make extreme and outlandish statements? And if that's all he does, what does that accomplish?

The Evangelical base requires redder and redder meat to feed the outrage. He's not there to convert, or convince; he's there to keep the anger stoked.


At the rate they are going they will have to start tearing flesh off of a living creature they are in the process of both coverting to Christianity and raping anally at the same time.

Marquis DeSade would be proud!
 
Ehh
2012-07-06 04:03:59 PM  
It could worth it for the lulz to see if this idea gets made into a law in Oklahoma and see if Scalia can figure out a way not to strike it down.

It could be.

/He is Catholic, after all, and to the evangelical crowd, no Christian.
 
2012-07-06 04:11:26 PM  
As a church going, God fearing American who is the Senior Warden of his Episcopal church, allow me to say this:

FOAD AFA
 
2012-07-06 04:14:21 PM  

SundaesChild: I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional.


Gee, it sounds like a completely valid exercise of Congress' taxing power to me. Next: the Abortion Provider Tax.
 
2012-07-06 04:19:22 PM  
This idea won't make the goverment rich in the U S of A, that's for sure.

/4-10% atheists/agnostics LOL
// European, sorry
 
2012-07-06 04:21:26 PM  
enry

As a church going, God fearing American who is the Senior Warden of his Episcopal church, allow me to say this:

FOAD AFA



Your church needs a warden? That can't be good.
 
2012-07-06 04:22:39 PM  
Why is it that any group with the word "Family" in the name has to be made up of completely horrible people?
 
2012-07-06 04:22:40 PM  
These people really are just children, aren't they? It's amazing!
 
2012-07-06 04:23:29 PM  

SpectroBoy: That's why I started the "First Holy Church of Not Giving a Flying Fark".

Meetings are in my basement.

May be confused with certain aspects of Rastafarian culture.


When are services?
 
2012-07-06 04:24:11 PM  
Man, that guy is full of some grade "A" bullshiat
 
2012-07-06 04:24:22 PM  

deschinc: SpectroBoy: That's why I started the "First Holy Church of Not Giving a Flying Fark".

Meetings are in my basement.

May be confused with certain aspects of Rastafarian culture.

When are services?


You were 3:29 late for this round, my man. Only 12 more hours 'til the next sacraments.
 
2012-07-06 04:26:32 PM  

balloot: Why is it that any group with the word "Family" in the name has to be made up of completely horrible people?


www.museum.tv

No shiate
 
2012-07-06 04:28:25 PM  
vernonFL

balloot: Why is it that any group with the word "Family" in the name has to be made up of completely horrible people?



No shiate


Come On - Get Happy!
 
2012-07-06 04:28:38 PM  
Who gives a sh*t what that guy says or does.
 
2012-07-06 04:28:38 PM  
We already do. By giving your churches a tax exemption, we're forced to supplement the taxes that they don't have to pay.

So, um, yeah... you can stick your analogy in the abyss and then go gaze at it.
 
2012-07-06 04:30:34 PM  
So to the fark agnostics on here, if I say "I don't like this idea." That makes me just as bad as this guy, right?
 
2012-07-06 04:30:49 PM  

Di Atribe: Renart: B-Fisch should be careful what he wishes for. If atheists had to attend the local megachurch they'd launch into Bible study classes with gusto, pointing out contradictions and inconsistencies, asking about changes in textual history, discussing the ways in which God acts like a monstrous, murderous, insane person throughout the book, etc. They'd be paying us to leave eventually.

We just need Jesus in our lives.

Lettuce pray.


Yeah, if people like Fischer were in charge of everything I'm sure the atheists would be bound and gagged during Bible study until they accepted Jesus, and if they didn't they'd be sent off to some redneck variation on the Spanish Inquisition dungeons.
 
2012-07-06 04:32:37 PM  

Ayn Rand's Cervix: So to the fark agnostics on here, if I say "I don't like this idea." That makes me just as bad as this guy, right?


Do you want to tax the agnostics?
 
2012-07-06 04:34:18 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/bryan-fischer


From your link: "Obama Will Use 'Medical Nazis' to Force Doctors to Provide Treatment"

wiki.teamfortress.com

I'm okay with this
 
2012-07-06 04:36:51 PM  

Aarontology: Can I count watching football on Sundays to be attending mass if it's in praise of Breesus?


Yes, yes you can.

/Geaux Saints!
 
2012-07-06 04:38:30 PM  

Osomatic: I imagine most Christians, hearing this guy say this crap, feel the same way I do when I hear about some atheist guy trying to keep a local business from giving a church-bulletin discount.


Probably.

/raised by an awesome atheist dad
//didn't know until I asked him as a teen (figured agnostic). He let my brother and I figure stuff out on our own (Mom raised us Catholic in the social justice sense) but raised us to be well read and questioning
///thanks Dad
////f--k off AFA
 
2012-07-06 04:47:03 PM  
You know what? Fine. I'll pay that tax, and gladly.

It's worth it to maintain my dignity and ability to think freely and critically. Plus I won't be obligated to hate the gays.
 
2012-07-06 04:51:34 PM  
At the very least, every atheist should have to work on Christmas. Put your money where your no god is! Pitch in for the economy while we celebrate our myths!
 
2012-07-06 04:52:24 PM  

Lorelle: If you don't worship their god, they will kill you.


the catch is that if you do follow their god... they still kill you.

/oldest scam of all time: religion
 
2012-07-06 04:53:44 PM  

urban.derelict: /oldest scam of all time: religion


I'm pretty sure the oldest scam is "Look over there!"
 
2012-07-06 04:54:07 PM  

s2s2s2: At the very least, every atheist should have to work on Christmas. Put your money where your no god is! Pitch in for the economy while we celebrate our myths!


For what reason should I be required to work on my birthday? How, exactly, could I work when the organization for whom I am employed does not operate during the last week of the year?
 
2012-07-06 04:54:40 PM  

s2s2s2: urban.derelict: /oldest scam of all time: religion

I'm pretty sure the oldest scam is "Look over there!"


I thought it was "Of course you're the father."?
 
2012-07-06 04:54:50 PM  

s2s2s2: At the very least, every atheist should have to work on Christmas. Put your money where your no god is! Pitch in for the economy while we celebrate our myths!


Right, because Christmas has anything to do with religion except for the devout. Put it this way, everyone report to either all day church or work. Put your money where your God is.
 
2012-07-06 04:55:01 PM  
Bryan Fischer
BF
you know who also likes to BF?

/methinks the lady doth protest too much
 
2012-07-06 04:59:16 PM  

ArgusRun: Sweet farking Jesus.

I know we joke about the American Taliban, but this is literally an Islamic concept: Link

Jizya is a tax that non-Muslims in a Muslim state pay. There are a few rationales, but the main is that on a Muslim state, Muslims are already tithing which is essentially a tax since the religion is the state. Jizya is a non-muslim's contribution to the state for both charity and the protection the government provides.

It's telling that a centuries old Muslim concept of taxation is more coherent than a modern Evangelical one.


Act of Uniformity (1558) - I don't think Muslims were running Anglican theology in England under E1
 
2012-07-06 05:00:16 PM  
Interesting ads on that site. o_O
 
2012-07-06 05:02:22 PM  

karnal: Gyrfalcon

karnal: Diogenes

karnal: Why do people like this even get air time?

That's kind of where I was going. This guy is a spokesman. And as far as I can tell he's only preaching to the converted. What is his purpose other than to make extreme and outlandish statements? And if that's all he does, what does that accomplish?



For some reason people follow this guy....just like that nutjob Fred Phelps. I think all it accomplishes is it fires up their base....put them into the limelight. And then it gets into the news and here we are talking about them.

Except these douchebags actually have members in Congress. Who listen to their recommendations.


I don't see any member of Congress listening to his "tax the atheist" nonsense, do you?



Give it a few weeks.
 
2012-07-06 05:02:38 PM  
I do go to church every couple of days. They know my name and let me use my debit card.

I'm going there right now for my friday absolution of nachos and pitcher of beer.
 
2012-07-06 05:04:51 PM  
img338.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-06 05:07:02 PM  

s2s2s2: At the very least, every atheist should have to work on Christmas. Put your money where your no god is! Pitch in for the economy while we celebrate our myths!


Why? Christmas hasn't been about religion in quite some time. You should probably choose a holiday that hasn't been turned into a monument to commercialism.
 
2012-07-06 05:10:42 PM  
"I don't know about you, but I have just about had it with these farking church people. You know what I say we should do with these churches? Tax them! If they're so interested in politics and government and public policy let them pay their farking admission price like everyone else!" -George Carlin
 
2012-07-06 05:10:43 PM  

Dimensio: For what reason should I be required to work on my birthday? How, exactly, could I work when the organization for whom I am employed does not operate during the last week of the year?


1) Depends on your employment arrangements.
2) Volunteer

Mugato: Right, because Christmas has anything to do with religion except for the devout. Put it this way, everyone report to either all day church or work. Put your money where your God is.


1) What?
2) Sorry, doesn't work that way.
 
2012-07-06 05:11:43 PM  
No freaking way can I agree with this person. if for no other reason than the lame food atheist will bring to our pot luck dinners.
 
2012-07-06 05:13:34 PM  
What if that church teaches me that rich people are evil, I need to love my enemies, and society should be taking care of the sickest and poorest among us?

Didn't realize this guy had such a boner for social justice.
 
2012-07-06 05:13:46 PM  

TimSTP: [img338.imageshack.us image 640x306]


What kind of websites do you frequent?
 
2012-07-06 05:14:42 PM  
fark this guy.
 
2012-07-06 05:18:02 PM  

Aarontology: Can I count watching football on Sundays to be attending mass if it's in praise of Breesus?


Keep your Breesus. I will stick with the real thing.

www.tshirtsiwant.com

Also, praise Lombardi.

beargoggleson.com
 
2012-07-06 05:19:46 PM  
It seems, at times, their thoughts are lax.
They can't seem to marshal the facts.
Though his thoughts seem strewn
Bryan Fischer's a loon:
He says "Go to church or be taxed."

Link
 
2012-07-06 05:20:18 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Let me recap for the people who don't know who Brian Fisher's dumb ass is.

Kill all bears
Obama wants Indians to be our overlords
Muslims are inbred
Muslims have no 1st Amendment rights
The medal of honor has become 'feminized' because we gave it to someone for a reason other than killing people

Plus plenty more.


LOL, they referenced the grizzly bear stuff in every single one of those articles.

I can't believe he biatched about the Medal of Honor thing. God forbid somebody risks their own safety to rescue someone else. What a douche.
 
2012-07-06 05:21:43 PM  

ArgusRun: Sweet farking Jesus.

I know we joke about the American Taliban, but this is literally an Islamic concept: Link

Jizya is a tax that non-Muslims in a Muslim state pay. There are a few rationales, but the main is that on a Muslim state, Muslims are already tithing which is essentially a tax since the religion is the state. Jizya is a non-muslim's contribution to the state for both charity and the protection the government provides.

It's telling that a centuries old Muslim concept of taxation is more coherent than a modern Evangelical one.



The article on Tolerance Tax that the one you posted links to is more interesting. Basically it was a tax on the Jews in the Holy Roman Empire to be Jewish and allowed to stay. If you're not familiar with where the HRE used to be just take a wild guess at it. Guessed yet? Okay, yes you are correct, its exactly where you thought it was.
 
2012-07-06 05:21:44 PM  
Kill all bears

So he's a twink?
 
2012-07-06 05:32:00 PM  

Dimensio: Osomatic: Dimensio: Osomatic: I imagine most Christians, hearing this guy say this crap, feel the same way I do when I hear about some atheist guy trying to keep a local business from giving a church-bulletin discount.

The article did not state as much, so I am now curious; please identify the nationally known and politically influential organization of which Mr. John Wolff is a public spokesman.

The organization of Oh Cut It Out Already, that's what.

I am unable to locate any information regarding such an organization. Have you a reference to a website, or to documentation of their tax exempt status? Obviously, such information must be available if your original analogy was valid.


I get it, but still, lighten up a bit there, Champ.
 
2012-07-06 05:32:56 PM  

mongbiohazard: karnal: Why do people like this even get air time?


they take money that people mindlessly donate to buy air time so they can continue to propagate their lies.
 
2012-07-06 05:35:49 PM  
Well, you'd certainly see a lot of member registration for "Jedi" and "Pastafarianism" in the near future. Blessed be His noodly appendages.
 
2012-07-06 05:43:19 PM  
Message to christians (all Pagans, muslms, jews, etc, talk amongst yourselves for a moment).

Ahem.

Christians, listen up: JESUS IS DEAD. The answer to any"What would Jesus do?" is "nothing," because JESUS IS DEAD

That is all.
.
 
2012-07-06 05:50:51 PM  
How about we yank your non-profit status for churches and what not instead, since you idiots won't stay out of politics?
 
2012-07-06 05:52:13 PM  

ArgusRun: Jizya is a tax that non-Muslims in a Muslim state pay.


"Jizya?" That's hilarious. People will die for their faith, but they really don't want to be jizzed on, so that's how we'll get them to convert.

/Yes, I am in seventh grade. Why do you ask?
 
2012-07-06 05:55:31 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: (Mom raised us Catholic in the social justice sense)


Excuse me, it's going to take me quite a while to stop laughing at the ridiculousness of that concept.
 
2012-07-06 05:57:46 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: StreetlightInTheGhetto: (Mom raised us Catholic in the social justice sense)

Excuse me, it's going to take me quite a while to stop laughing at the ridiculousness of that concept.


It happens.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-06 05:58:26 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Fine, as long as the government can remove the tax exemption afforded houses of worship (churches, synagogues, temples, etc.).


Exactly what I was thinking.
 
2012-07-06 05:59:31 PM  
Isn't this the guy that predicted the revelation to have came recently

yea....

i'm thinking he's not really the biblical scholar he thinks he is
 
2012-07-06 06:01:14 PM  

Sabyen91: It happens.


Yeah, it happens because quite a lot of Nuns are quite decent people, who've decided to treat people well and have actually considered some of the stuff that Jesus taught.

It happens in spite of what the Catholic church teaches them, not because of it.
 
2012-07-06 06:02:58 PM  
Nah just let the atheists show up at the emergency room in hell.
 
2012-07-06 06:03:22 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Sabyen91: It happens.

Yeah, it happens because quite a lot of Nuns are quite decent people, who've decided to treat people well and have actually considered some of the stuff that Jesus taught.

It happens in spite of what the Catholic church teaches them, not because of it.


Agreed. The Vatican coming down on them for following the teachings of Jesus is really quite telling.
 
2012-07-06 06:03:41 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: StreetlightInTheGhetto: (Mom raised us Catholic in the social justice sense)

Excuse me, it's going to take me quite a while to stop laughing at the ridiculousness of that concept.


The RCC hierarchy has not always been (not usually been) very good at following the social justice aspects of their teachings, but there have been social justice advocates within Catholicism for as long as there has been Catholicism. So there is a tradition within the church to which Streetlight is referring. It's not the majority, but it is present.
 
2012-07-06 06:03:44 PM  
I grew up under the Jewish faith, I actually liked the Temple. Mine was not about being religious, it was about being a good person first, and to remember our shared heritage. Very little hellfire, brimstone, or hatred of "them."
 
2012-07-06 06:05:38 PM  

Gato Blanco: Well, you'd certainly see a lot of member registration for "Jedi" and "Pastafarianism" in the near future. Blessed be His noodly appendages.


I certainly hope you were wearing the proper sacraments of a proper Pastafarian while typing that, especially on this, the most holy day, Friday. Enjoy your pasta.
www.piratemerch.com
/Ramen
 
2012-07-06 06:09:14 PM  

Sabyen91: It happens.


2nuns1cup?

/so sorry --> (NFSW NSFPC)
//found by total accident whilst searching for image of Voltaire's infamous quote
/it's a good image, just being fark-compliant (no blood, stool, etc)
//1nun1highlysculptedbeaver.jpg
 
2012-07-06 06:10:35 PM  

Osomatic: I imagine most Christians, hearing this guy say this crap, feel the same way I do when I hear about some atheist guy trying to keep a local business from giving a church-bulletin discount.


Can't defend the indefensible? Reflect! Reflect like a Goddamn disco ball! That's the Christian way.

/[help_we're_being_oppressed.jpg]
//If we hooked the Founding Fathers up to a generator, we could use their spinning to power the country.
 
2012-07-06 06:13:43 PM  
bonkbonk.files.wordpress.com

/people think they're so important
//guess what
 
2012-07-06 06:28:16 PM  
Great. Then I'm a druid, and I need someone to burn. It's a sacrifice for the gods so what... you know what? You don't need to know why. First volunteer gets hit over the head first so it doesn't hurt as much.
 
2012-07-06 06:45:23 PM  
The two would be comparable provided:

1) Churches were mandated by the government to assist anyone seeking their help
2) Churches charged for their services
3) The services provided by churches were objectively necessary and effective
4) Taxpayer money would cover any costs that people were unable to cover themselves
 
2012-07-06 07:08:56 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk: Since they don't pay taxes, I'd say we already subsidize religion with taxpayer money

Let's not water this down unnecessarily.
 
2012-07-06 07:10:36 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Since they don't pay taxes, I'd say we already subsidize religion with taxpayer money

Let's not water this down unnecessarily.


Even more interesting is the lack of stomach of the IRS to tax nominally "religious" institutions which behave in an overtly political fashion.
 
2012-07-06 07:19:44 PM  
And if you support ObamaCare the only thing that makes this different is that it would violate the First Amendment.

If you made the required meetings not religious they would apparently be completely legal and valid.
 
2012-07-06 07:21:16 PM  
^^^
It is a pity you can't tax stupid.
 
2012-07-06 07:21:23 PM  

busy chillin': #11: Thou shall not derp


Is that a paint-by-number? My grandpa had those things everywhere.
 
2012-07-06 07:27:53 PM  

Harry_Seldon: Barricaded Gunman: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Since they don't pay taxes, I'd say we already subsidize religion with taxpayer money

Let's not water this down unnecessarily.

Even more interesting is the lack of stomach of the IRS to tax nominally "religious" institutions which behave in an overtly political fashion.


it would be hard seeing as a lot of black churches are used by politicians to promote their causes

I honestly don't like it when politicians speak from the pulpit or when pastors use the pulpit for political purposes, I don't mind when my pastors throws out a little barb now and then even if I don't agree.

but if the IRS starts going after the major infractions soon they will go after the little ones and it will become a huge issue.
 
2012-07-06 07:51:30 PM  

randomjsa: And if you support ObamaCare the only thing that makes this different is that it would violate the First Amendment.

If you made the required meetings not religious they would apparently be completely legal and valid.


Let me start by saying that I feel dirty for biting.

Now, the difference is the difference between allowed and required. The Supreme Court has said that the healthcare stuff is allowed. It may be that it isn't good, but that's a question for the people and their elected representatives in Congress and the President. You know, the folks who said yes the first time. So while the precedent might have been set to allow your meetings (free assembly or being imprisoned without cause type issues notwithstanding) that's not something that would happen.

Put in a simpler way, a 99% income tax is constitutional, but only a crazy person would worry about something that won't happen.
 
2012-07-06 08:03:51 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Damn.. the retard is turned up to 22 today

/that SCOTUS decision really drove these shiatstains right over the edge, didn't it?


Yep, they were all set to cheer the destruction of that blah non-American super-sekret Socialist Muslim non-white non-Republican's greatest political coup by the SCrOTUmS, and then Chief Justice Roberts pulled a WTF moment out of his arse, and their entire world suddenly took off for the Twilight Zone, and they haven't recovered.
 
2012-07-06 08:04:12 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: randomjsa: And if you support ObamaCare the only thing that makes this different is that it would violate the First Amendment.

If you made the required meetings not religious they would apparently be completely legal and valid.

Let me start by saying that I feel dirty for biting.

Now, the difference is the difference between allowed and required. The Supreme Court has said that the healthcare stuff is allowed. It may be that it isn't good, but that's a question for the people and their elected representatives in Congress and the President. You know, the folks who said yes the first time. So while the precedent might have been set to allow your meetings (free assembly or being imprisoned without cause type issues notwithstanding) that's not something that would happen.

Put in a simpler way, a 99% income tax is constitutional, but only a crazy person would worry about something that won't happen.


After Kelo v. New London, vindictive right wingers got it on the ballot in Breyer's home town to exercise eminent domain on his house, and turn it over to a private corporation.

The measure failed.

It's almost like there's something about the way people vote that keeps these preposterous fantasies righties dream up from coming to pass in real life.
 
2012-07-06 08:07:33 PM  
Oromë on an Oreo, that's... I don't have a proper adjective for how bad an idea that is.

I wouldn't be surprised if having to attend church (again) would actually be harmful to my health. When our city council passed an anti-discrimination ordinance, all the Catholic churches in town (including the one my parents go to) collected signatures on a petition to block it/force it to a public vote.

/Fortunately, my parents love their gay daughter enough that they refused to sign the petition.
//Unfortunately, the damn thing still got all the signatures it needed.
 
2012-07-06 08:33:43 PM  
God almighty asswipe, just come outta closet already! Sheesh!
 
2012-07-06 08:34:58 PM  
Q: What's the best thing about a randomjsa post?

A: You know you won't be seeing him in that thread again.
 
2012-07-06 09:06:02 PM  
They're just pissed that we get to sleep in on Sundays.
 
2012-07-06 09:13:12 PM  
The day I have to pay a tax for not going to jesus church is the day I just start burning down churches in my spare time. Preferably with the backwards cave dwelling, ignorant neoliths that worship ghosts and spirits inside of it.
 
2012-07-06 09:38:39 PM  
I think we should pass this law immediately. I would also like to invite all of you to join me for worship at my soon-to-be-opening sports bar "Third Baptist Church of the Immaculate Reception", which will be opening at 10 am Sunday morning for a happy worship service hour.
 
2012-07-06 09:41:53 PM  
We already tried that, jackass. Read Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience".
 
2012-07-06 09:52:27 PM  

lilbjorn: We already tried that, jackass. Read Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience".


Your fancy shmancy book learning has no place in Republican politics, hippy.
 
2012-07-06 09:58:33 PM  

pion: I think we should pass this law immediately. I would also like to invite all of you to join me for worship at my soon-to-be-opening sports bar "Third Baptist Church of the Immaculate Reception", which will be opening at 10 am Sunday morning for a happy worship service hour.


Do you offer Saturday services during the holy season of fall? I might be interested.
 
2012-07-06 10:02:41 PM  

Epoch_Zero: SilentStrider: All the more reason for me to remain agnostic.

Tax that, assholes.

They either will or they won't. Who's to know?


I'm an apathiest. I wonder how that works out for me? Do I get to not care about the tax?
 
2012-07-06 10:11:27 PM  
He realizes that declaring things churches is entirely arbitrary, and the US government has to take your word for it unless you're actually applying for a tax exemption, right?

I can declare my cellar the church of the Jesus the potato, and inform the census or whatever that I go to church three times a day, and that'd be completely legal.

So even if his suggestion wasn't stupid to begin with it wouldn't work.
 
2012-07-06 10:16:06 PM  

karnal: Gyrfalcon

karnal: Diogenes

karnal: Why do people like this even get air time?

That's kind of where I was going. This guy is a spokesman. And as far as I can tell he's only preaching to the converted. What is his purpose other than to make extreme and outlandish statements? And if that's all he does, what does that accomplish?



For some reason people follow this guy....just like that nutjob Fred Phelps. I think all it accomplishes is it fires up their base....put them into the limelight. And then it gets into the news and here we are talking about them.

Except these douchebags actually have members in Congress. Who listen to their recommendations.


I don't see any member of Congress listening to his "tax the atheist" nonsense, do you?


No. Not YET.
[ominous music]
 
2012-07-06 10:34:09 PM  
Hmm, interesting point. Let me take a moment to respond with the fact that the 1st Amendment allows me to tell you that YOUR GOD IS A farkING C*NT, AND THE BELIEF SYSTEM YOU CLAIM TO, BUT FAIL TO FOLLOW, IS A LOAD OF BULLSHIAT THAT SERVES AS A CRUTCH FOR THE WEAK-MINDED WHO NEED TO LOOK FOR MOB MENTALITY TO SERVE AS THEIR GUIDING PRINCIPLES BECAUSE YOU ARE F*CKING WEAK.

/F*ck you and f*ck your god.
 
2012-07-06 11:11:15 PM  

Lorelle: teto85: Sorry, I'm a founding member of the Church of Monday Night Football, and as such I am immune to religious taxes.

I came here to say something similar...let them have their stupid law, and we atheists will create our own churches to stay in compliance with it. :)


I actually think some Pagans might get in on it. I think I'll go with joining or founding the Official Sith Church. Of course, I personally think that the last line of the Sith Code shows perfectly that the way of the Sith is the way of freedom, and we must strive for freedom and equality for all...

/The next Sith'ari. Hmm. I could get used to that.
 
2012-07-06 11:14:55 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Not worshipping god endangers my PHYSICAL health?

Wow, I want to see that study!


Well then you should pray to see the study and wait for the lord to move in mysterious ways.
 
2012-07-06 11:32:07 PM  

Rann Xerox: SpectroBoy: That's why I started the "First Holy Church of Not Giving a Flying Fark".

Meetings are in my basement.

May be confused with certain aspects of Rastafarian culture.

This Sunday I will be attending the Tyrion Church of Tits and Wine. Who wants to come and pray with me?


What kind of wine?
 
2012-07-06 11:38:52 PM  

Selena Luna: This Sunday I will be attending the Tyrion Church of Tits and Wine. Who wants to come and pray with me?

What kind of wine?


"The Lord of Light wants his enemies burned, the Drowned God wants them drowned. Why are gods such vicious c*nts? Where's the god of tits and wine?" -Herve Villechaize --> SFW, NSFF language
 
2012-07-06 11:52:06 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Q: What's the best thing about a randomjsa post?

A: You know you won't be seeing him in that thread again.


If you guys wouldn't quote him, I wouldn't see him at all.
 
2012-07-06 11:57:31 PM  

urban.derelict: Selena Luna: This Sunday I will be attending the Tyrion Church of Tits and Wine. Who wants to come and pray with me?

What kind of wine?

"The Lord of Light wants his enemies burned, the Drowned God wants them drowned. Why are gods such vicious c*nts? Where's the god of tits and wine?" -Herve Villechaize --> SFW, NSFF language


That didn't answer my question, but thanks.
 
2012-07-07 12:58:34 AM  
 
2012-07-07 01:09:56 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Not worshipping god endangers my PHYSICAL health?
Wow, I want to see that study!


Too close to bedtime to find the multiple studies involved. As I recall, the results appear to be less straightforward than that. US studies show a trend one way; European, another. It's possibly due to stress differences or level of community; alternately, it may be that there's a "bathtub curve", with relatively low religion for the US tending nigh-par with high religion for Europe, and just the lukewarm middle-ground that's crappy.

However, I suspect a few hours with Google Scholar would indeed turn up some religiosity/health correlations.

CtrlAltDelete: Who gives a sh*t what that guy says or does.


A lot of stupid voters; and, as a second order effect, a lot MORE people who worry about that lot of stupid voters.

FloydA: So there is a tradition within the church to which Streetlight is referring. It's not the majority, but it is present.


Try the GSS for SPHLTH against (say) year for RELIG(2)? Though that's only one such question, and it definitely doesn't seem the majority of the Heirarchy's political focus.

Ringshadow: I'm an apathiest. I wonder how that works out for me?


Depends on whether you really are apathier than everyone else.
How loud do you say "meh"?
 
2012-07-07 01:13:52 AM  
Connecticut and, I believe, Massachusetts collected taxes from all citizens that were then handed over to the churches for several years after the constitution was adopted. Colonial Massachusetts used to arrest Quakers and drag them into court for attending the wrong church services. In fact they executed more Quakers than they did witches.
 
2012-07-07 02:03:47 AM  
Pure stupidity. This country is founded on the principle of religious freedom.

If you want to worship a head of iceberg lettuce, as long as you do not harm others, knock yourself out.

This freedom also means that if a lettuce worshiper want to offer a discount at his steakhouse to this fellow believers then that is also his right.
 
2012-07-07 02:16:49 AM  

MindStalker: It honestly seems like sarcasm to me. He knows forcing people to go to church is illegal, and he thinks that forcing people to get health insurance is illegal as well, so in his mind the two are comparable.


That's kind of what I was thinking. I mean, he wasn't SERIOUSLY serious, was he?
 
2012-07-07 02:23:17 AM  

SundaesChild: I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional.


Sorry, bub. Congress has the power to lay and collect taxes.
 
2012-07-07 03:00:16 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Fark needs to stop giving this guy attention.

One can keep up with him here... http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/bryan-fischer


Right Wing Watch is far too respectful. I keep up on youaredumb.net
 
2012-07-07 03:01:03 AM  

urban.derelict: Selena Luna: This Sunday I will be attending the Tyrion Church of Tits and Wine. Who wants to come and pray with me?

What kind of wine?

"The Lord of Light wants his enemies burned, the Drowned God wants them drowned. Why are gods such vicious c*nts? Where's the god of tits and wine?" -Herve Villechaize --> SFW, NSFF language


Dionysis went out with the Romans.
/ It's pretty interesting. Our technology is way more advanced, but the way we treat ourselves and each other; our civilization, has only marginally improved in the last 2000 years.
 
2012-07-07 04:37:49 AM  

jigger: SundaesChild: I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional.

Sorry, bub. Congress has the power to lay and collect taxes.


Taxes are a nasty lay...
 
2012-07-07 06:11:57 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Hmm, interesting point. Let me take a moment to respond with the fact that the 1st Amendment allows me to tell you that YOUR GOD IS A farkING C*NT, AND THE BELIEF SYSTEM YOU CLAIM TO, BUT FAIL TO FOLLOW, IS A LOAD OF BULLSHIAT THAT SERVES AS A CRUTCH FOR THE WEAK-MINDED WHO NEED TO LOOK FOR MOB MENTALITY TO SERVE AS THEIR GUIDING PRINCIPLES BECAUSE YOU ARE F*CKING WEAK.

/F*ck you and f*ck your god.



Don't worry, God hates them too
 
2012-07-07 08:06:31 AM  

teto85: Sorry, I'm a founding member of the Church of Monday Night Football, and as such I am immune to religious taxes.


But I founded the First Authorized Church of MNF (reformed). You're a heretic, and therefor yours doesn't count.
 
2012-07-07 09:42:19 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: teto85: Sorry, I'm a founding member of the Church of Monday Night Football, and as such I am immune to religious taxes.

But I founded the First Authorized Church of MNF (reformed). You're a heretic, and therefor yours doesn't count.


SPLITTERS!
 
2012-07-07 09:43:55 AM  
F*cking fundies :/
 
2012-07-07 10:20:29 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Fine, as long as the government can remove the tax exemption afforded houses of worship (churches, synagogues, temples, etc.).


No. I agree with the removal of those exemptions, as churches are nothing more than private social clubs, but even that would not make such a law right, good, just, or acceptable.

Lorelle: teto85: Sorry, I'm a founding member of the Church of Monday Night Football, and as such I am immune to religious taxes.

I came here to say something similar...let them have their stupid law, and we atheists will create our own churches to stay in compliance with it. :)


No. They don't get to have their stupid law, and I will not jump through hoops to avoid it.

//Pascal was a coward and a fool.
 
2012-07-07 10:45:50 AM  

abb3w: Gyrfalcon: Not worshipping god endangers my PHYSICAL health?
Wow, I want to see that study!

Too close to bedtime to find the multiple studies involved. As I recall, the results appear to be less straightforward than that. US studies show a trend one way; European, another. It's possibly due to stress differences or level of community; alternately, it may be that there's a "bathtub curve", with relatively low religion for the US tending nigh-par with high religion for Europe, and just the lukewarm middle-ground that's crappy.

However, I suspect a few hours with Google Scholar would indeed turn up some religiosity/health correlations.


There will be some correlation, but a deeper examination that the improved health has nothing to do with the religious aspect- it's about the societal/community aspect. As in, old people who attend regular weekly social functions live longer, because each week they have something to look forward to at the end of the week, where they get to see everyone again. The sense of community that can be found in a church can give people something to live for, but church isn't the only place that can be found.
 
2012-07-07 11:00:23 AM  
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,-and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
--John Adams

This also applies to pretty much any faith. Separation of church and State is there to protect those of faith from the tyranny of the majority...
 
2012-07-07 11:20:43 AM  

Jorn the Younger: //Pascal was a coward and a fool.


Would you care to elaborate on that?

/difficulty: You cannot falsify belief, less so to a supposedly omniscient being. You either believe or you do not.
 
2012-07-07 11:27:13 AM  

Jorn the Younger: There will be some correlation, but a deeper examination that the improved health has nothing to do with the religious aspect- it's about the societal/community aspect.


That's plausible, but I don't think the studies are in to nail that down to within a jellybean.

hubiestubert: Separation of church and State is there to protect those of faith from the tyranny of the majority...


Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?

Answer: these days, it seems to be an awful lot of folk.
 
2012-07-07 11:47:23 AM  

SundaesChild: I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional.


In a last minute change of heart, though, SCOTUS would uphold it.
 
2012-07-07 12:06:35 PM  
I'd just keep going to the UU church. Great for anyone who hates the restrictions of the organized Christian churches. :) Welcoming, civil rights oriented and just hella fun to go to on jazz Sundays.
 
2012-07-07 04:16:04 PM  

jjorsett: SundaesChild: I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional.

Gee, it sounds like a completely valid exercise of Congress' taxing power to me. Next: the Abortion Provider Tax.


Except for the part where there's an amendment specifically to prevent it.
 
2012-07-07 04:23:41 PM  

TsukasaK: Jorn the Younger: //Pascal was a coward and a fool.

Would you care to elaborate on that?

/difficulty: You cannot falsify belief, less so to a supposedly omniscient being. You either believe or you do not.


Pascal presupposes you can. His wager requires that one be able to believe in God simply on the basis that belief in god is a preferable option, which requires either the ability to falsify belief or a remarkable capacity for self-delusion. That is what makes him, as Jorn put it, a fool.
 
2012-07-07 04:51:29 PM  

HeartBurnKid: which requires either the ability to falsify belief or a remarkable capacity for self-delusion.


Depending on your views, 'belief' is self-delusion anyways. What's one over the other?

You can't falisfy belief though. Every religion out there claims that god is all-knowing, and would know that you're full of it as you go through the motions. That isn't belief. (Ask any atheist about going to church to stay in their family's good graces).

You either believe, or you do not. It's that simple.
 
2012-07-07 05:08:32 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Pascal presupposes you can. His wager requires that one be able to believe in God simply on the basis that belief in god is a preferable option, which requires either the ability to falsify belief or a remarkable capacity for self-delusion. That is what makes him, as Jorn put it, a fool.


much less, it's founded on an unfounded assumption - that there's only 1 possible god to put in that 'be on the safe side and get jiggy with god' side of the equation.

do you think zeus would be satisfied that you believed in jehova? or any of a near-infinity of other options you could put in that position.

at least going by the guidelines of pascal's wager as it is laid out, you're no more on the 'safe' side of the equation than a non-believer...if you believe the wrong thing.
 
2012-07-07 05:15:16 PM  

TsukasaK: HeartBurnKid: which requires either the ability to falsify belief or a remarkable capacity for self-delusion.

Depending on your views, 'belief' is self-delusion anyways. What's one over the other?

You can't falisfy belief though. Every religion out there claims that god is all-knowing, and would know that you're full of it as you go through the motions. That isn't belief. (Ask any atheist about going to church to stay in their family's good graces).

You either believe, or you do not. It's that simple.


Perhaps, but most believers come by their "delusion" the old-fashioned way -- either through indoctrination, or through a hallucination/spiritual experience/whatever. Being able to convince yourself that something is so simply because you wish it to be so is a whole other level of delusion.
 
2012-07-07 06:53:37 PM  

abb3w: Jorn the Younger: There will be some correlation, but a deeper examination that the improved health has nothing to do with the religious aspect- it's about the societal/community aspect.

That's plausible, but I don't think the studies are in to nail that down to within a jellybean.

hubiestubert: Separation of church and State is there to protect those of faith from the tyranny of the majority...

Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?

Answer: these days, it seems to be an awful lot of folk.


I'll just leave this here:

Link
 
2012-07-07 09:08:38 PM  

karnal: vernonFL

balloot: Why is it that any group with the word "Family" in the name has to be made up of completely horrible people?

[patridgefamily.jpg]

No shiate

Come On ― Get Happy!


I'll just leave this here...
 
2012-07-07 09:46:53 PM  
Perhaps, but most believers come by their "delusion" the old-fashioned way -

fc05.deviantart.net

- either through indoctrination, or through a hallucination/spiritual experience/whatever.

www.blogcdn.com

Being able to convince yourself that something is so simply because you wish it to be so is a whole other level of delusion.
 
2012-07-07 10:11:18 PM  

Gyrfalcon: abb3w: Jorn the Younger: There will be some correlation, but a deeper examination that the improved health has nothing to do with the religious aspect- it's about the societal/community aspect.

That's plausible, but I don't think the studies are in to nail that down to within a jellybean.

hubiestubert: Separation of church and State is there to protect those of faith from the tyranny of the majority...

Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?

Answer: these days, it seems to be an awful lot of folk.

I'll just leave this here:

Link


Yeah. She is a frippin' idiot.
 
2012-07-07 11:56:19 PM  

TsukasaK: Jorn the Younger: //Pascal was a coward and a fool.

Would you care to elaborate on that?

/difficulty: You cannot falsify belief, less so to a supposedly omniscient being. You either believe or you do not.


As others have said, there is the difficulty of which deity you're going to choose to believe in, but also Pascal said that it cost nothing to believe, which is patently untrue. Belief requires contemplation, which requires time- costs time. Not to mention the countless hours lost to the trappings of the faith- time spent in services, perfoming sacrements, and thats not even getting into tithing. A great deal of cost, indeed. This is why I call him a fool.

As to his cowardice, it lies thus: He reached through reason the understanding that God is not real, but lacked the courage to stand by that realization in the face of disagreement, and he developed his "wager" to rationalize his own unwillingness to stand with rationality.

Besides, if God exists, and created everything, and created me, then I am as that God wished me to be. If that God chooses to punish me for being what he created me to be, well that's not a God I'd choose to worship anyhow.

/The ability to self-determine, aka 'free will', I have it.
/would rather burn for an eternity in Hell than bow before a god who gives himself the right to put me there.
 
2012-07-08 01:56:48 AM  

Jorn the Younger: costs time.


It costs time to contemplate anything. That's rather pedantic.

Jorn the Younger: Not to mention the countless hours lost to the trappings of the faith- time spent in services, perfoming sacrements, and thats not even getting into tithing.


Depends on the particulars of the faith.

Jorn the Younger: /would rather burn for an eternity in Hell than bow before a god who gives himself the right to put me there.


Somehow I get the feeling that immediately after arriving in 'hell' you would regret this decision.
 
2012-07-08 02:01:16 AM  

Jorn the Younger: Besides, if God exists, and created everything, and created me, then I am as that God wished me to be. If that God chooses to punish me for being what he created me to be, well that's not a God I'd choose to worship anyhow.

/The ability to self-determine, aka 'free will', I have it.


These two sentences contradict each other, don't you think?
 
2012-07-08 02:16:53 AM  

TsukasaK: Somehow I get the feeling that immediately after arriving in 'hell' you would regret this decision.


Thor doesn't know what this 'hell' is. Hel he knows. Hell, not so much.
 
2012-07-08 02:23:18 AM  
you don't even have to get into the idea that there are a million conceptions of 'god' to choose from - limit yourself to abrahamic tradition, and you've got 3 main options that, if chosen poorly among them leads you to a supposed bad end. that's a 1 in 3 chance of failure. that isn't a safe wager.

go even narrower, and just stick with jesus and his posse - is believing in god alone worth salvation/heaven/a triple scoop of ice cream? or is it your works and what you do with your life? denominations abound with different concepts on just this one single issue, and are positive that choosing poorly will lead you to hell.

it's just a pisspoor philosophical statement based on closing your eyes and ignoring what people actually do believe, in favor of acting like there are only 2 possible options.
 
2012-07-08 07:09:37 AM  

TsukasaK: Jorn the Younger: Besides, if God exists, and created everything, and created me, then I am as that God wished me to be. If that God chooses to punish me for being what he created me to be, well that's not a God I'd choose to worship anyhow.

/The ability to self-determine, aka 'free will', I have it.

These two sentences contradict each other, don't you think?


Only if you assume the first statement evaluates to true, and don't bother to think about it at all- Firstly, God isn't actually real (just to clear that up) but if God were real and created me with free will, then chose to punish me for excersizing the free will he granted me, that would be an unjust God, not worthy of praise or worship.
 
2012-07-08 07:34:24 AM  

TsukasaK: Jorn the Younger: costs time.

It costs time to contemplate anything. That's rather pedantic.

No it's not- I could waste time contemplating a fictional deity, or I could utilize time contemplating something productive. Or I could be doing literally anything else that I preferred to do.

Jorn the Younger: Not to mention the countless hours lost to the trappings of the faith- time spent in services, perfoming sacrements, and thats not even getting into tithing.

Depends on the particulars of the faith.

Well duh, the particulars of the cost required by varied faiths are themselves varied. Thank you Captain Obvious!

Jorn the Younger: /would rather burn for an eternity in Hell than bow before a god who gives himself the right to put me there.

Somehow I get the feeling that immediately after arriving in 'hell' you would regret this decision.


Well, I can't speak to your "feelings" but no, I would not change my mind that such a petty, cruel, and vindictive god such as would condemn a soul to an eternity of torment because it excersized the free will given to it by that very god would be unworthy of worship simply because he proved himself to be so.

Really the whole idea of eternal damnation is a dead giveaway that the whole thing is malarky. I mean, really, you're born, you live three months, three years, thirty years, 50 years, 80 years or so, after which you're either punished or rewarded for eternity? Can you even wrap your mind around the concept of eternity? That's a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time. Forever long, in fact. That's your 80 year lifespan times a million times a billion times infinity- the ratio between these two timespans is absurd. It's irrational.

But then, the whole thing is just irrational.

We're all on a ball of rock hurtling through the universe at unfathomable velocities1. There were chemical reactions that led to chemical reactions that created life. (Improbable? Sure! Just look at all the places it didn't happen) That life grew, developed, evolved, and a few hundred million years or so later, here we are, walking talking breathing thinking (well, some of us) life forms aware of the universe in which we find ourselves, and able to reshape it to our desires. That's where we came from. I don't need "God did it" to answer the question of where we came from2, because I know enough of it, and because frankly, I'm not too worried about it. We're here, we exist. I for one am far more interested in the future we can build, together.

I've embraced The Future.
Have you?

1 Which, by the way, is AWESOME
2 also because God did it doesn't answer the question, it just kicks it down the road a bit
 
2012-07-08 12:20:08 PM  

Jorn the Younger: Well, I can't speak to your "feelings"


Oh get off your farking high horse.
 
2012-07-08 03:19:43 PM  

TsukasaK: Jorn the Younger: Well, I can't speak to your "feelings"

Oh get off your farking high horse.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-08 10:47:08 PM  
I would gladly pay the atheism tax if the churches would pay back the 70 billion dollars or so that they suck off America's teat every year.
 
2012-07-08 11:53:28 PM  

TsukasaK: Jorn the Younger: Well, I can't speak to your "feelings"

Oh get off your farking high horse.


You're the one who decided to use "Somehow I get the feeling" as evidence of your assertion; I can't refute your feelings, you're feeling them. All I can do is share the reasoning that has lead me to my conclusions.

I'm sorry* if you feel small standing next to me, but for the record, rationality is a tall horse, not a high horse.

*But not surprised, since I am quite tall
 
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