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2012-07-06 02:07:54 PM  
People should control their emotions and stop being a slave to them. No excuse for behaving like a brat.
 
2012-07-06 02:10:53 PM  
I would have thought Harvard Medical School was above publishing sketchy studies that pretend like mood swings are something new.
 
2012-07-06 02:11:36 PM  
Sounds like what I get after I eat Mexican food.
 
2012-07-06 02:12:06 PM  
I am shocked that unstable little bags of hormones are, in fact, unstable. Next thing you'll tell me is they want to screw ALL THE TIME.
 
2012-07-06 02:13:59 PM  
I blame video games.
 
2012-07-06 02:23:24 PM  
When teachers are getting taken out by IEDs in school, there's a big problem in this country.
 
2012-07-06 02:28:47 PM  
FARK YOU SUBBY. I WAS GOING TO SUBMIT THIS WITH A BETTER HEADLINE BUT YOU AND YOUR COCK-SUCKING MODMIN FRIENDS STOLE ANOTHER GREENLIGHT FROM ME. FARK YOU, YOU FARKING FARKNUT!
 
2012-07-06 02:33:38 PM  
I had this when I was teenager, my father cured my with BackhandiaTM. Just a few simple applications of BackhandiaTM to my mouthy, petulant, immature ass taught me to control my anger, act with maturity and respect. BackhandiaTMa is for external use only, and is recommended for all children above thirteen. Side of effects of BackhandiaTMa include ringing ears, minor swelling and reddening of the skin and crying. Only you can decide to BackhandiaTM is right for you, but with your shiatty kid, it probably would do a world of good.
 
2012-07-06 02:34:41 PM  
I seemed to have picked up an extra vowel in that post, probably a latent side effect of the drug.
 
2012-07-06 02:53:03 PM  
Well, my grandmother on my mother's side was half Vulcan, so I have no problem suppressing my emotions.
 
2012-07-06 03:05:54 PM  
And lice!
 
2012-07-06 03:12:51 PM  
They'll get over it

/one way or another
 
2012-07-06 03:33:38 PM  
Punch my wall, and you're gonna get a thorough lesson in the art of sheet rock repair.
 
2012-07-06 03:36:53 PM  
Explosive lice.

I'll call DARPA!
 
2012-07-06 03:39:05 PM  
They weren't home.

:(
 
2012-07-06 03:48:53 PM  
Everything went to hell after we stopped enforcing the Hays Code. I blame that episode of the Uncle Buck TV show where a girl said "this sucks".
 
2012-07-06 03:49:31 PM  
Bad Parenting affects more children than ever before.
 
2012-07-06 03:50:37 PM  

Ed Finnerty: FARK YOU SUBBY. I WAS GOING TO SUBMIT THIS WITH A BETTER HEADLINE BUT YOU AND YOUR COCK-SUCKING MODMIN FRIENDS STOLE ANOTHER GREENLIGHT FROM ME. FARK YOU, YOU FARKING FARKNUT!


Am I....Am I playing Call of Duty right now?
 
2012-07-06 03:50:58 PM  

serial_crusher: Sounds like what I get after I eat Mexican food.


Yeah but I wouldn't describe it as "intermittent".
 
2012-07-06 03:51:45 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-06 03:52:09 PM  

Ed Finnerty: FARK YOU SUBBY. I WAS GOING TO SUBMIT THIS WITH A BETTER HEADLINE BUT YOU AND YOUR COCK-SUCKING MODMIN FRIENDS STOLE ANOTHER GREENLIGHT FROM ME. FARK YOU, YOU FARKING FARKNUT!


*that* was clever.
 
2012-07-06 03:53:05 PM  
Internet Tough Guy syndrome has made it's way into the real world?
 
2012-07-06 03:53:15 PM  

Ed Finnerty: FARK YOU SUBBY. I WAS GOING TO SUBMIT THIS WITH A BETTER HEADLINE BUT YOU AND YOUR COCK-SUCKING MODMIN FRIENDS STOLE ANOTHER GREENLIGHT FROM ME. FARK YOU, YOU FARKING FARKNUT!


I submitted this post with a more outraged tone.
 
2012-07-06 03:53:18 PM  
My father never punished me. instead we would just go and do some martial arts training everytime I did something rude and/or stupid. Its not abuse if you frame it around the martial arts. After back talking a lady in church we went and trained throws and breakfalls for an hour. Prior to that lesson i didnt know so much about falling. It worked on me and it will work on my nephew/nice/children when the time comes.
 
2012-07-06 03:53:20 PM  
Go for it bra,
I got "treats people with the latest farking disorder like a farking speedbag on steroids" disorder.
And I've had it for a long time.
 
2012-07-06 03:54:00 PM  
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www.cartoonstock.com
 
2012-07-06 03:54:03 PM  
Having dealt with an awful temper my entire life, I don't think anything beyond strong parenting and hard work is needed to get past this sort of thing. I was a real tool as a teen, and now I'm slightly less of one, but at least I don't flip out and punch people now.
 
2012-07-06 03:54:18 PM  
Just another bullsh*t excuse for people to not be responsible for their own actions.
 
2012-07-06 03:54:47 PM  
Any excuse that will lessen the responsibility of parents raising their children.
 
2012-07-06 03:56:06 PM  

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: My father never punished me. instead we would just go and do some martial arts training everytime I did something rude and/or stupid. Its not abuse if you frame it around the martial arts. After back talking a lady in church we went and trained throws and breakfalls for an hour. Prior to that lesson i didnt know so much about falling. It worked on me and it will work on my nephew/nice/children when the time comes.


I have an almost 5 year old and have the same plan for when he's older. "I'm not punishing him - we're training."
 
2012-07-06 03:56:10 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Unavailable for comment due to suspension.

/yes, this was the first thing I thought of
//stupid storyline was stupid
 
2012-07-06 03:56:11 PM  
I thought they were just going to dry up, like raisins in the sun.
 
2012-07-06 03:56:25 PM  
Scientists have started calling it "U MAD BRO" Disorder.

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-07-06 03:56:29 PM  
"Intermittent explosive BOWEL disorder"

Fixed.
 
2012-07-06 03:56:32 PM  
globetribune.info

Only happens once.
 
2012-07-06 03:57:41 PM  
It's all them damn vidya games they play, with the killing and raping and pillaging and all.
 
2012-07-06 03:57:44 PM  

Surool: Just another bullsh*t excuse for people to not be responsible for their own actions.


Came here to say THIS.
 
2012-07-06 03:58:08 PM  
rlv.zcache.com
 
2012-07-06 03:58:37 PM  
Sounds like......being 15-19 years old. Before I was yelling at kids to get off my lawn, my dad applied 'The Belt'. It immediately stopped the behavior, and you didn't need to wait 8 hours to apply another dose.
 
2012-07-06 03:58:59 PM  
"The father could not be reached for comment."
 
2012-07-06 03:59:33 PM  
What sort of POS article is this,subby?!

*Punches through dining room wall*
 
2012-07-06 03:59:36 PM  

MadSkillz: People Diabetics should control their sugar levelsemotions and stop being a slave to them. No excuse for behaving like a brat.


FTFY.

Oh, and I do for the most part, but it ain't easy.

/IED sufferer
//Also Exploding Head Syndrome
 
2012-07-06 04:00:07 PM  
Oh don't be so sentimental, things explode every day.
 
2012-07-06 04:00:20 PM  

MadSkillz


People should control their emotions and stop being a slave to them. No excuse for behaving like a brat.


If they want to behave like brats, treat them like brats: throw them on the grill and leave them there until they become more palatable.
 
2012-07-06 04:00:45 PM  
The "instant gratification" generation does not understand that anger is hot, but revenge is a dish best served cold.
 
2012-07-06 04:01:25 PM  

macadamnut


Oh don't be so sentimental, things explode every day.


Of course I can talk. I'm Minister for Overseas Development.
 
2012-07-06 04:02:04 PM  
I am not so sure this is complete balogna. I was an angry and violent kid that dealt with bursts of energy and emotion with rough housing and bike rides and setting paper airplanes on fire. How much outside time to young people get to just play? To goof off in uncontrolled enviroments? It seems to me that the reason these youngsters (boys especially) are running into this problem is because we are so over protective that we stunt their development somewhat and remove natural coping and venting.
I have for a long time felt that medication was a bad answer- but we cannot discount that this new world we live in isnt breaking us in new ways.

Christ I miss setting paper airplanes on fire.
 
2012-07-06 04:02:38 PM  
www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net

annnnnnddddd


thechive.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-06 04:04:03 PM  

kobrakai: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: My father never punished me. instead we would just go and do some martial arts training everytime I did something rude and/or stupid. Its not abuse if you frame it around the martial arts. After back talking a lady in church we went and trained throws and breakfalls for an hour. Prior to that lesson i didnt know so much about falling. It worked on me and it will work on my nephew/nice/children when the time comes.

I have an almost 5 year old and have the same plan for when he's older. "I'm not punishing him - we're training."


Please tell me you'll teach your kid to Sweep The Leg.

/STRIKE FIRST
//STRIKE HARD
///NO MERCY
 
2012-07-06 04:04:13 PM  

kokomo61: Sounds like......being 15-19 years old. Before I was yelling at kids to get off my lawn, my dad applied 'The Belt'. It immediately stopped the behavior, and you didn't need to wait 8 hours to apply another dose.


There's also the simple question - at what are these kids getting angry/frustrated? There are legitimate causes and expressions of anger, and there are unacceptable ones. Does IED account for any of that?

Because I flew into a rage or two during my teenage years (and one in college). I'd say they were all justified and I physically hurt no one (other than another kid I choked senior year of HS, but he walked away from that) though I did break a garbage can and dent a wall (and hurt the shiat out of my hands).

There's "prone to anger" and there's "Katie Kaboom". Which are we talking about here?
 
2012-07-06 04:04:38 PM  

Ennuipoet: I had this when I was teenager, my father cured my with BackhandiaTM. Just a few simple applications of BackhandiaTM to my mouthy, petulant, immature ass taught me to control my anger, act with maturity and respect. BackhandiaTMa is for external use only, and is recommended for all children above thirteen. Side of effects of BackhandiaTMa include ringing ears, minor swelling and reddening of the skin and crying. Only you can decide to BackhandiaTM is right for you, but with your shiatty kid, it probably would do a world of good.


Fundamental attribution error is fundamental. Not that I can blame your pops for smackIng you. I'd like to do the same thing. But I know that physical violence against people who are smaller and dumber than me is wrong. I matter how right it feels.
 
2012-07-06 04:04:50 PM  

Ed Finnerty: FARK YOU SUBBY. I WAS GOING TO SUBMIT THIS WITH A BETTER HEADLINE BUT YOU AND YOUR COCK-SUCKING MODMIN FRIENDS STOLE ANOTHER GREENLIGHT FROM ME. FARK YOU, YOU FARKING FARKNUT!


This reminds me of the mail that Landoverbastist.com " gets, funny stuff.
 
2012-07-06 04:04:50 PM  
Ahhh, internets babies are reaching adulthood, whom can't have what they want instantly irl get really angry? I think 1/12 is rather low.
 
2012-07-06 04:05:23 PM  

Ennuipoet: I had this when I was teenager, my father cured my with BackhandiaTM. Just a few simple applications of BackhandiaTM to my mouthy, petulant, immature ass taught me to control my anger, act with maturity and respect. BackhandiaTMa is for external use only, and is recommended for all children above thirteen. Side of effects of BackhandiaTMa include ringing ears, minor swelling and reddening of the skin and crying. Only you can decide to BackhandiaTM is right for you, but with your shiatty kid, it probably would do a world of good.


Hahahaha, ok that made me laugh.
 
2012-07-06 04:06:09 PM  
Step 1: Classify normal behavior as a disorder.
Step 2: Sell drug to "fix" the new disorder.
Step 3: Profit!
 
2012-07-06 04:06:45 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: I blame video games.


No no no, it's that darn music they listen to.
 
2012-07-06 04:06:56 PM  

Cataholic: [rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]


j.wigflip.com

/ftfy
 
2012-07-06 04:07:36 PM  

InfrasonicTom: TheHighlandHowler: I blame video games.

No no no, it's that darn music they listen to.




Don't be stupid, it's comic books.
 
2012-07-06 04:10:21 PM  

FarkinHostile: InfrasonicTom: TheHighlandHowler: I blame video games.

No no no, it's that darn music they listen to.



Don't be stupid, it's comic books.




And Bugs Bunny and Tom and Jerry cartoons.
 
2012-07-06 04:10:29 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: But I know that physical violence against people who are smaller and dumber than me is wrong


Finally, one "wrong" the world will never have to worry about!
 
2012-07-06 04:12:09 PM  
Calling things like this a "Disorder" seems a lot less helpful than just saying "you're being a dick, and need to stop doing that shiat"?
 
2012-07-06 04:12:23 PM  
creativestudios.com
 
2012-07-06 04:12:32 PM  

kobrakai: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: My father never punished me. instead we would just go and do some martial arts training everytime I did something rude and/or stupid. Its not abuse if you frame it around the martial arts. After back talking a lady in church we went and trained throws and breakfalls for an hour. Prior to that lesson i didnt know so much about falling. It worked on me and it will work on my nephew/nice/children when the time comes.

I have an almost 5 year old and have the same plan for when he's older. "I'm not punishing him - we're training."


I love your fark handle and sweeping the leg will do your child good
 
2012-07-06 04:13:02 PM  
I hate it when teenagers act like a bunch of damn teenagers.
 
2012-07-06 04:13:16 PM  
They used to call this "Discipline Deficiency Disorder" and it's cure was a smack in the head.
 
2012-07-06 04:16:10 PM  
So, tantrums?
 
2012-07-06 04:16:33 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [creativestudios.com image 191x231]


Is that the WOW rage kid?? I watched that again and wondered why if angry you would try to jam a TV remote up your ass.
WOW is RIGHT!!!
/still FUNNYYY
//Would LAUGH Again ++++
 
2012-07-06 04:18:38 PM  
My guess is:

~1% have an actual mental illness at the root of the disorder.
~99% also have "parents did not know how to parent" disorder.
 
2012-07-06 04:19:42 PM  

Ennuipoet: mouthy, petulant, immature ass


fap
 
2012-07-06 04:20:03 PM  
In other news, researchers have discovered that 1 in 5 teenagers suffer from "intermittent nutritive consumption disorder", where the adolescent becomes so hungry they consume entire large pizzas in one sitting. More than 2/3 of teenagers surveyed admitted doing this on at least one occasion.

Good lord, what will we do?
 
2012-07-06 04:20:10 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-06 04:20:18 PM  
Obvious troll headline is obvious
 
2012-07-06 04:21:44 PM  

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: kobrakai: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: My father never punished me. instead we would just go and do some martial arts training everytime I did something rude and/or stupid. Its not abuse if you frame it around the martial arts. After back talking a lady in church we went and trained throws and breakfalls for an hour. Prior to that lesson i didnt know so much about falling. It worked on me and it will work on my nephew/nice/children when the time comes.

I have an almost 5 year old and have the same plan for when he's older. "I'm not punishing him - we're training."

I love your fark handle and sweeping the leg will do your child good


Thanks. Yours is pretty good as well.

I hope people know that I'm kidding. When I was taking martial arts (shotokan), the most effective punishment for little ones was simply taking their belts away. You could just see the goofing off drain from them and their little faces go all weepy but man did they pay attention for the rest of the class.
 
2012-07-06 04:21:57 PM  
This anger should be channeled at the dimwit researchers that continue to "identify" and label these disorders. It amounts to nothing more than providing a partially acceptable excuse for a person's behavior. Parents want to avoid the stigma of having an odd child as well as performing any actual parenting. By explaining that their child's behavior is due to a medical disorder they can disassociate themselves from any blame in said child's behavior as well as garner large amounts of sympathy. Expect other BS disorders and sizable grants to follow.
 
2012-07-06 04:23:48 PM  
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All of you are going to make me lose control of my mercurial temper in this very establishment, in this very establishment.
 
2012-07-06 04:24:20 PM  

kobrakai: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: kobrakai: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: My father never punished me. instead we would just go and do some martial arts training everytime I did something rude and/or stupid. Its not abuse if you frame it around the martial arts. After back talking a lady in church we went and trained throws and breakfalls for an hour. Prior to that lesson i didnt know so much about falling. It worked on me and it will work on my nephew/nice/children when the time comes.

I have an almost 5 year old and have the same plan for when he's older. "I'm not punishing him - we're training."

I love your fark handle and sweeping the leg will do your child good

Thanks. Yours is pretty good as well.

I hope people know that I'm kidding. When I was taking martial arts (shotokan), the most effective punishment for little ones was simply taking their belts away. You could just see the goofing off drain from them and their little faces go all weepy but man did they pay attention for the rest of the class.


I would too if I had my pants around *MY* ankles....sheesh......embarrassing.
 
2012-07-06 04:24:38 PM  

Ennuipoet: I had this when I was teenager, my father cured my with BackhandiaTM. Just a few simple applications of BackhandiaTM to my mouthy, petulant, immature ass taught me to control my anger, act with maturity and respect. BackhandiaTMa is for external use only, and is recommended for all children above thirteen. Side of effects of BackhandiaTMa include ringing ears, minor swelling and reddening of the skin and crying. Only you can decide to BackhandiaTM is right for you, but with your shiatty kid, it probably would do a world of good.


In honor of the first part of your name, I gave you a light gray color on my favorites.

/no prescription needed?
 
2012-07-06 04:24:48 PM  

Ennuipoet: I had this when I was teenager, my father cured my with BackhandiaTM. Just a few simple applications of BackhandiaTM to my mouthy, petulant, immature ass taught me to control my anger, act with maturity and respect. BackhandiaTMa is for external use only, and is recommended for all children above thirteen. Side of effects of BackhandiaTMa include ringing ears, minor swelling and reddening of the skin and crying. Only you can decide to BackhandiaTM is right for you, but with your shiatty kid, it probably would do a world of good.


If you keep that up, I may have to favorite you.

/Backhandia should not be used at least 20 minutes after swimming
//Footintheassia also come in many different sizes and shapes
 
2012-07-06 04:25:56 PM  
Also known as "Being an Asshole."
 
2012-07-06 04:26:36 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 200x192]


I am not over-reacting! I'm a teenager!
 
2012-07-06 04:28:22 PM  

farm machine: This anger should be channeled at the dimwit researchers that continue to "identify" and label these disorders. It amounts to nothing more than providing a partially acceptable excuse for a person's behavior. Parents want to avoid the stigma of having an odd child as well as performing any actual parenting. By explaining that their child's behavior is due to a medical disorder they can disassociate themselves from any blame in said child's behavior as well as garner large amounts of sympathy. Expect other BS disorders and sizable grants to follow.


Not to belabor the point, but I would expect these studies are funded (through intermediaries) by pharma companies that will benefit when the doctors "find" that it's acceptable for parents to drug their kids rather than deal with them.
 
2012-07-06 04:30:29 PM  

bhcompy: PC LOAD LETTER: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 200x192]

I am not over-reacting! I'm a teenager!


We (me, my fiance, and his uncle's girlfriend) call my fiance's sister Ms. Kaboom. It would be funnier if she wasn't 23 and still acting this way. Bonus: She broke 3 mirrors in the house during one tirade, and her mother responded with, "Well, she's having a difficult time at school." My fiance responded: "How can she be having a hard time? You do all her homework for her."

*sigh*
 
2012-07-06 04:31:28 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Just another Heartland Weirdass: But I know that physical violence against people who are smaller and dumber than me is wrong

Finally, one "wrong" the world will never have to worry about!


Hopefully not anymore. I've been on both the administration and receiving end of a few ass kickings. But I never lied to myself and pretended some kind of meaningful lesson was being taught.
 
2012-07-06 04:32:26 PM  

farm machine: This anger should be channeled at the dimwit researchers that continue to "identify" and label these disorders. It amounts to nothing more than providing a partially acceptable excuse for a person's behavior. Parents want to avoid the stigma of having an odd child as well as performing any actual parenting. By explaining that their child's behavior is due to a medical disorder they can disassociate themselves from any blame in said child's behavior as well as garner large amounts of sympathy. Expect other BS disorders and sizable grants to follow.


What about the shiatty "journalists" who sensationalize this crap? Often the research is legitimate, but the research doesn't say anything like the Dr. Phils and the sensationalistic rags like this say that it does, or the "journalists" exaggerate.

Now I ain't no doctor or scientician, but even I know that mainstream journalism's knowledge of, and writing about, any type of science or medicine is laughable. Everything should be taken with several huge dump trucks full of salt
 
2012-07-06 04:37:17 PM  
I had "intermittent explosive disorder" from 12 til about 14, when I learned how to control it.

Then it became "daily multiple explosive disorder."
 
2012-07-06 04:39:44 PM  

Ennuipoet: I had this when I was teenager, my father cured my with BackhandiaTM. Just a few simple applications of BackhandiaTM to my mouthy, petulant, immature ass taught me to control my anger, act with maturity and respect. BackhandiaTMa is for external use only, and is recommended for all children above thirteen. Side of effects of BackhandiaTMa include ringing ears, minor swelling and reddening of the skin and crying. Only you can decide to BackhandiaTM is right for you, but with your shiatty kid, it probably would do a world of good.


Yeah, my Dad used Backhandia on all of us until I was old enough to let him see how it tasted. Then he had to use Doctoria and we never heard about Bachandia again.
 
2012-07-06 04:41:16 PM  
And so marches on the continued medicalization of growing up.
 
2012-07-06 04:41:24 PM  

El Freak: farm machine: This anger should be channeled at the dimwit researchers that continue to "identify" and label these disorders. It amounts to nothing more than providing a partially acceptable excuse for a person's behavior. Parents want to avoid the stigma of having an odd child as well as performing any actual parenting. By explaining that their child's behavior is due to a medical disorder they can disassociate themselves from any blame in said child's behavior as well as garner large amounts of sympathy. Expect other BS disorders and sizable grants to follow.

What about the shiatty "journalists" who sensationalize this crap? Often the research is legitimate, but the research doesn't say anything like the Dr. Phils and the sensationalistic rags like this say that it does, or the "journalists" exaggerate.

Now I ain't no doctor or scientician, but even I know that mainstream journalism's knowledge of, and writing about, any type of science or medicine is laughable. Everything should be taken with several huge dump trucks full of salt


It will be, only those dump truck loads of salt will be by prescription only and made available by Pfizer.
 
2012-07-06 04:43:28 PM  

El Freak: What about the shiatty "journalists" who sensationalize this crap? Often the research is legitimate, but the research doesn't say anything like the Dr. Phils and the sensationalistic rags like this say that it does, or the "journalists" exaggerate.


Their business is to attract eyeballs, not report the news. If any news gets reported, it was entirely unintentional and the management apologizes. The journalist reporting actual news has been sacked.
 
2012-07-06 04:44:31 PM  

InfrasonicTom: It will be, only those dump truck loads of salt will be by prescription only and made available by Pfizer.


Only until the patent runs out, then you'll be able to get the generic version by prescription.
 
2012-07-06 04:46:22 PM  
"Intermittent explosive disorder" is all the rage with young people nowadays from time to time

tried to ftfy.
 
2012-07-06 04:47:04 PM  
Attitude Adjustment
- Hank Williams Jr.

When I first met the kid that would become my stepson he was a problem child. One quickraff up alongside his head and his attitude was adjusted immediately. Nearly 2 1/2 years later it's still adjusted.
 
2012-07-06 04:52:21 PM  

Ennuipoet: I had this when I was teenager, my father cured my with BackhandiaTM. Just a few simple applications of BackhandiaTM to my mouthy, petulant, immature ass taught me to control my anger, act with maturity and respect. BackhandiaTMa is for external use only, and is recommended for all children above thirteen. Side of effects of BackhandiaTMa include ringing ears, minor swelling and reddening of the skin and crying. Only you can decide to BackhandiaTM is right for you, but with your shiatty kid, it probably would do a world of good.


Warning: excessive use may result in a shiv in the spine. Long term misuse can result in parent being assigned a rat infested nursing home as early as possible.
 
2012-07-06 04:54:03 PM  
No Itchy & Scratchy references?
 
2012-07-06 04:54:20 PM  
My stepdaughter sufferered from this. Correct, I sufferered from it. The layman term for it is "farking little biatch from hell." The cure was readily available. Her mother needed grow a farking backbone and smack the little shiat across the face. Doing that just once probably would have cured her and prevented years of far worse problems.
 
2012-07-06 04:54:34 PM  

bluorangefyre: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x311]
Unavailable for comment due to suspension.

/yes, this was the first thing I thought of
//stupid storyline was stupid


Damn it, I was hoping to hold it in, but now I really have to take an Orton now.

/Runs off to the bathroom.
 
2012-07-06 04:55:21 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: When I first met the kid that would become my stepson he was a problem child. One quickraff up alongside his head and his attitude was adjusted immediately. Nearly 2 1/2 years later it's still adjusted.


Let me guess, he's been in a box 10 feet under for "nearly" 2 1/2 years now.

Amirite???
 
2012-07-06 04:55:55 PM  

Surool: Just another bullsh*t excuse for people to not be responsible for their own actions.

to be sold more drugs that only work short-term and really fark them up long term.

/and make lots of money for Big Pharma
 
2012-07-06 04:59:31 PM  
www.draftdaysuit.com

"Where are all the fire exstinguishers at?"
 
2012-07-06 05:01:04 PM  
Snowflakes get mad when things don't go their way every time.
 
2012-07-06 05:02:39 PM  

kokomo61: Sounds like......being 15-19 years old. Before I was yelling at kids to get off my lawn, my dad applied 'The Belt'. It immediately stopped the behavior, and you didn't need to wait 8 hours to apply another dose.


Apparently, one day my father turned 14 and almost strangled his own father using 'the belt'.

I guess that's why I was restricted to simply never being good enough for the old man's favor o.0

/it's funny too
//Grandpa is almost deaf, completely senile, and really chill.
 
2012-07-06 05:03:04 PM  
Nearly two-thirds of adolescents said that at some point in their life they had gotten so angry they destroyed things, threatened violence or became violent.

In other news, one-third of adolescents are already dead on the inside.
 
2012-07-06 05:06:31 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Nearly two-thirds of adolescents said that at some point in their life they had gotten so angry they destroyed things, threatened violence or became violent.

In other news, one-third of adolescents are already dead on the inside.


Just because they lied?
 
2012-07-06 05:06:36 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Nearly two-thirds of adolescents said that at some point in their life they had gotten so angry they destroyed things, threatened violence or became violent.

In other news, one-third of adolescents are already dead on the inside.


Who hasn't punched a hole through drywall?
 
2012-07-06 05:07:04 PM  

ProfessorOhki: In other news, one-third of adolescents are already dead on the inside.

on medication.
 
2012-07-06 05:10:08 PM  
I thought I had intermittent explosive disorder when I was a teen. Turns out I was just lactose intolerant
 
2012-07-06 05:11:53 PM  
The key is to let your children know early that you're crazier than they are. My sn knows I don't give a fark about being embarassed. I'll move some furniture wherever it needs to happen. I see parents trying to whisper discipline into their kids ears in public and I just shake my head. They will find out that you're more worried about what people think than they are and they eventually push the limits until your ass is sitting in a waiting room trying to find a drug that will "calm them down". STOP negotiating with kids. STOP giving their opinions equal weight when you're making a decision. STOP allowing them to sass you and get away with rolled eyes and talking shiat. STOP ASKING them to behave and DEMAND it.
 
2012-07-06 05:16:36 PM  
This isn't about diarrhea?
 
2012-07-06 05:17:35 PM  
Send them to the robot looney bin!

images.wikia.com
 
2012-07-06 05:22:37 PM  
Ah, another bullshiat "mental disorder" made up to explain kids being kids.

My brother was diagnosed with "Oppositional Personality Disorder" in high school about 15 years ago. He exhibited every. single. one. of the symptoms that are described for "Intermittent Explosive Disorder." Same "disorder," different name (the marketing department said the OPD was getting a little stale, ya know?)

They gave him Paxil. He took ONE and hated the way it made him feel (was like speed, and only made him angrier), so he quit taking it. He palmed every pill for the next 60 days and kept them in a little bottle. After the 60 days had passed and he went in with my mom and the doctor for a checkup, my mom explained to the doctor how much better he's been doing. She explained how much calmer he was, how much less confrontational. The Doctor praised him for doing so well, and praised the medication for being the answer.

My brother then handed the doctor the pill bottle with all the paxil in it and (calmly) told him to fark off, before promptly leaving the exam room.

We still laugh about that at the dinner table every other holiday or so.

/farking doctors. Do more harm than good when it comes to a lot of kids.
//who'da thought that telling a misbehaving little shiat that if they don't settle down you're going to medicate them to the point they turn into a happy-go-lucky zombie would actually make them want to act right?
///I think "no consequences" and "too much entitlement" parenting are to blame for most children's "mental disorders" (although admittedly there are still some, though VERY FEW, that have real problems)
////"Intermittent Explosive Disorder." I'm pretty sure I have that every time I eat at Chipotle.
//CSB
//SLASHIES!!!
 
2012-07-06 05:22:51 PM  

Leeds: Smeggy Smurf: When I first met the kid that would become my stepson he was a problem child. One quickraff up alongside his head and his attitude was adjusted immediately. Nearly 2 1/2 years later it's still adjusted.

Let me guess, he's been in a box 10 feet under for "nearly" 2 1/2 years now.

Amirite???


Nope, you lose. Bad cop, no donut
 
2012-07-06 05:25:39 PM  
"To our surprise, it turns out to be one of the most common mental health disorders in adolescents,"

But only because extreme naivete and willful stupidity are not considered mental health disorders.
 
2012-07-06 05:26:42 PM  

bunner: So, tantrums?


More or less. This is what happens when you don't teach a kid basic emotional control starting at an early age: the same tantrums they had back then, only now they're a lot bigger and stronger (and have enough hangups about their voices that they can't pull off the eardrum-shattering toddler scream anymore).
 
2012-07-06 05:27:20 PM  
Well it's obvious that younger people these days would have anger problems with the pussified parenting we have nowadays. As kids or young teens, of course it would be hard to control emotions. You need a guiding hand (or a guiding punishment) to make you see why your actions are wrong or disadvantageous in a society where violence can be punished by law. Without anyone punishing or hurting their pride or knocking then off of their "I'm Master of the Universe" high horse, they'd just continue being the asses that they are. Eventually, it'll lead to them getting killed by other people with anger issues or the police.

Hit your children, spank them, discipline them, yell at them when needed. Slap them when they disrespect you or anyone, especially their teachers or the elders who have done nothing wrong. Don't give them allowance or punish them in some effective way if you catch them wasting money and their health on destructive drugs. This is different from beating them up out of your own anger. You're not supposed to kill or maim your kids, just hurt them enough to snap them back into reality.

You might not feel good hitting your own kids or punishing them, but if they won't listen to logical explanations and they continue to cause trouble to themselves and everyone, then you'll have to try this out. Don't be scared if they threaten you that they'll report you for child abuse, that's what kids these days use often. Go ahead and call the police for them and show them evidence that your kid is the one that's wrong and you're just trying to set your child on the safe path in life away from drugs, gangs, and teenage pregnancy.

You'll feel bad punishing them, but this is better than seeing them dead someday because they got into a fight with people with knives or guns.
 
2012-07-06 05:28:39 PM  

OgreMagi: My stepdaughter sufferered from this. Correct, I sufferered from it. The layman term for it is "farking little biatch from hell." The cure was readily available. Her mother needed grow a farking backbone and smack the little shiat across the face. Doing that just once probably would have cured her and prevented years of far worse problems.

i.qkme.me

In my world, the only ones who should get shiat-kicked are the ones who believe violence is justified. Eventually it should just be one guy kicking his own ass ad infinitum.
 
2012-07-06 05:30:53 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The key is to let your children know early that you're crazier than they are. My sn knows I don't give a fark about being embarassed. I'll move some furniture wherever it needs to happen. I see parents trying to whisper discipline into their kids ears in public and I just shake my head. They will find out that you're more worried about what people think than they are and they eventually push the limits until your ass is sitting in a waiting room trying to find a drug that will "calm them down". STOP negotiating with kids. STOP giving their opinions equal weight when you're making a decision. STOP allowing them to sass you and get away with rolled eyes and talking shiat. STOP ASKING them to behave and DEMAND it.


Agree totally. Next time you son is acting all macho and angry in front of his friends just tell him this.. Yo son I see you are angry why don't you take a time out and go finger bang that Teddy bear while wearing your sisters dress like you did last week to calm down. Take the anger right out of you it will. Oh by the way you left your dirty dildo on the dresser again, mom washed it for you and put it in you top dresser drawer where it belongs. And hey I am going to the drug store, you need me to pick you up some more KY jelly?
He will calm down quickly
 
2012-07-06 05:32:29 PM  

BSABSVR: Everything went to hell after we stopped enforcing the Hays Code. I blame that episode of the Uncle Buck TV show where a girl said "this sucks".


the one that got me was little Drew Barrymore in E.T.:TET when she chides at her brother "penis breath!".
 
2012-07-06 05:33:26 PM  

fruitbatnt: OgreMagi: My stepdaughter sufferered from this. Correct, I sufferered from it. The layman term for it is "farking little biatch from hell." The cure was readily available. Her mother needed grow a farking backbone and smack the little shiat across the face. Doing that just once probably would have cured her and prevented years of far worse problems.
[i.qkme.me image 400x400]

In my world, the only ones who should get shiat-kicked are the ones who believe violence is justified. Eventually it should just be one guy kicking his own ass ad infinitum.


Spoken like someone who's never had to deal with a teenager who thinks no rules apply to her. Also, there's a huge difference between a slap and beating the shiat out of someone.
 
2012-07-06 05:37:58 PM  

fruitbatnt: In my world, the only ones who should get shiat-kicked are the ones who believe violence is justified


You would kick the shiat out of someone for their beliefs?
 
2012-07-06 05:40:57 PM  
The only way I disciplined my teenage daughter involved turning her cell off and changing the router key. Far more effective than any physical means.
 
2012-07-06 05:46:18 PM  
When I can't quit fiddlin'
I just take my Ridilin
I'm Poppin' & Sailin' Man!
 
2012-07-06 05:47:52 PM  
They had a different name for this when I was a kid; temper tantrum. Parents who do not put an end to it at 2 or 3 will be dealing with it when their brats are teenagers. When they are little and throwing a tantrum just ignore them completely. When the realize it is not getting them what they want they will stop doing it.
 
2012-07-06 05:57:47 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: "To our surprise, it turns out to be one of the most common mental health disorders in adolescents,"

But only because extreme naivete and willful stupidity are not considered mental health disorders.


Yet.
 
2012-07-06 05:59:25 PM  
[uncool story, mom]
About 10 years ago my son had this diagnosis for about 5 minutes. Seriously, we went through about 12 different diagnoses from self-appointed experts in his suburban school district before he had a "fit" in front of a school nurse (he never had one at home) and she asked us if we had a family history of migraines (which is what he was eventually diagnosed with, including confusional migraines, which are very scary but get better with a pill and/or a nap) On a different day the same 'expert' told me that kids with bipolar disorder have bad attitudes that last 2-3 hours every few months and are fine the rest of the time, too. (I have someone in my family with BPD, and no, it is not being angry or sad for a few hours a month!)

I literally sat there with the DSM-IV on my lap in the parent teacher conference pointing out he didn't meet the required criteria for a diagnosis of IED or bipolar disorder while this 'expert' explained that the school HAD ITS OWN criteria for both. I nearly manifested a few criteria for both right then and there.

[/uncool story, Mom]
 
2012-07-06 06:01:31 PM  
If you can't parent with a "look" you have failed.

/doesn't apply to truly imbalanced kids.
 
2012-07-06 06:02:51 PM  
LAY OFF THE TACO BELL.
 
2012-07-06 06:10:00 PM  
This is great news for defense attorneys. Any bets on how long before this is used as a defense because some douche goes on a destructive rampage or without real provocation whips someone's ass?
 
2012-07-06 06:16:34 PM  
I guess they thought it would sound bad if they called it Lack of Consequences for Acting Like a Little Bastard Disorder.
 
2012-07-06 06:17:01 PM  
When were temper tantrums renamed "intermittent explosive disorder"? It's like calling a used car "pre-owned".
 
2012-07-06 06:19:22 PM  

pounddawg: If you can't parent with a "look" you have failed.

/doesn't apply to truly imbalanced kids.


My fiancee is a HS teacher, and I believe that the "look" has an almost 100% effective rate in the classroom. On her daughter, not so much. On the son, who is 16 and is a typical 16-yo, it is quite useful. But he's a momma's boy/pleaser, thank God. The "look" gets brought up by past students who have matured and now understand why the "look" was used.
 
2012-07-06 06:20:18 PM  
shadesofcaruso.files.wordpress.com

"You have two emotions: silence and rage."
 
2012-07-06 06:25:06 PM  
In a completely unrelated study, 1 in 12 parents have an 'anger disorder'.

/fark you
 
2012-07-06 06:29:15 PM  
"Which kids grow out of it and which kids don't?"

Haven't RTFT yet, though this seems to be the prominent question in my mind.

A little bit of background: I grew up with my abuser; had known him for 17 years before we started dating; throughout our entire adolescence. It was obvious in those early years he had ADHD (growing up in the Tipper Gore age of 'let's put all of our kids on psychotropic medication') I had honestly never believed that ADHD existed until I met my ex when he was 14 and I 15, but he was textbook. His outbursts back then involved him getting frustrated because he had a hard time keeping up wit our conversations, would get quite and sulk out of our presence... then it grew to frustration that he wasn't performing correctly a couple years later and he started to take his frustrations out on inanimate objects such as walls or doors, or beer bottles against walls or doors. He'd spend his energy, blow off some steam then he'd be himself again.

All the sudden out of nowhere, he dropped off the face of the planet, as far as we were concerned. No one could get a hold of him, nor did he try to get in touch with anyone else, for four years. He was simply gone. He shows back up, out of the blue, gets in touch with me (we were reeeally close friends), we hang out and started dating. A few months later, from my eyes, he went from taking his aggression out on inanimate objects onto animate objects; i.e., me. At that point I was kind of stuck. Got out, he's been convicted of DV assault, place on house arrest and probation, I've got a restraining order.... against. my. best. friend.

When I was a teen, I had my moments, we all did. At least most of us have. I've felt that urging and uncontrollable rage before; but, I was a kid. It never went further than breaking something real quick and then feeling incredibly remorseful over it afterwards. What exactly could the difference between my own teenage angst and his? Yes, he, during those four years absence from our lives had been diagnosed with bi-polar and had started taking medication... but I wonder. He had a temper, he had some angst, yes; but until he had been diagnosed and placed on medication he had not harmed another human being... keeps my wheels running... in multiple ways.

/sorry for the wall of text
 
2012-07-06 06:42:51 PM  

simplicimus: The only way I disciplined my teenage daughter involved turning her cell off and changing the router key. Far more effective than any physical means.


I tried blocking her favorite websites, but it didn't result in any behavioral changes. Her mother refused to take away cell phone privileges. One day I finally got sick of the shiat and cancelled the cell account entirely. My ex-wife, of course, threw a hissy fit over that. "What if there's an emergency!?" You mean like the last dozen emergencies when your daughter simply turned off her phone or refused to answer when she disappeared for three days to get drunk?

There's a reason I am now single (apart from me being an asshole).
 
2012-07-06 06:43:49 PM  
who cares what teenagers think(?) . . . . . . obvious TROLL here!!!!
 
2012-07-06 06:44:13 PM  

MoronLessOff: ProfessorOhki: Nearly two-thirds of adolescents said that at some point in their life they had gotten so angry they destroyed things, threatened violence or became violent.

In other news, one-third of adolescents are already dead on the inside.

Who hasn't punched a hole through drywall?


I did that once after I lost a hand in sheephead.

/alcohol may have been a factor
 
2012-07-06 06:49:17 PM  
Problem child?

Put them down like the dogs they are.

/Only in extreme cases, ya know.
 
2012-07-06 06:58:06 PM  
Jesus Article got so much wrong. One intermittent explosive disorder is not an adolescence disease. Adults have it to. Two it's not "regularly throwing temper tantrums." It where you flip the fark out for the stupidest things, start punching things followed by deep remorse. Some people report that up to 30 minutes before they snap there is a buzzing inside of their heads. So there is something physically wrong with them. Also the trigger is anything unlike most cases of anger. Like the guy a few weeks ago that beat a man into a coma for complementing his rims. Or a guy here in the Twin Cities that randomly started to beat up a woman and then started shooting randomly when told to stop by a bystander. He cried like a little girl when arrested and was apologizing.
 
2012-07-06 07:08:03 PM  
MoronLessOff
Who hasn't punched a hole through drywall?

*raises hand*

I've been truly angry only a handful of times in my entire life, and all of them involved ex-girlfriends. I never raised a hand to any of them, but there's a popcan that was never the same again. Actually, that's not true. After repeatedly having my personal space violated in an intimate manner, and after repeated ignored verbal warnings to stop this behaviour, I grasped an ex by the shoulders and firmly (but not roughly) pushed her against a wall. If I were any other male on the planet, that would have been a black eye, but I'm not prone to violence (and even if I was, I'm not very good at it). Apparently I have low testosterone, and if having normal testosterone means douchey agressive behaviour (and hairloss), then I'm quite happy to be lacking it.

My most recent ex, though, left numerous holes in the wall and a mark on my cheek from flipping from calm straight to blinding rage at the slightest provocation (and even when there wasn't a provocation, she invented one). She didn't have any touchy-feely disorder, she was batshiat crazy, verbally and physically abusive, and actually kinda scary.

/CSB
 
2012-07-06 07:08:26 PM  

Morpheses: Surool: Just another bullsh*t excuse for people to not be responsible for their own actions.

Came here to say THIS.


My late brother had this disorder his whole life, until he had a breakdown and got help. It wasn't really until after he died that I finally found a small part of what the fark was wrong with him, via the web. It isn't fun to live with a 6'4 230lbs man who goes all ragey over little shiat. His brain was not wired properly and I learned ALOT about mental illness,the stigma and genetics from my family.

My friends , who never met him because I feared his behavior around them, always wondered a) why they never came over to my house b) why i never talked about my family ( depressives or street corner prophet type...whooo) c) why I never flinched in dealing with aholes . C) was because they were nothing compared to dealing with a 230 pound man who was a foot taller, ten years older than me, screaming at me an inch from my face.

My mother still makes excuses for his behavior and he's been dead since 2001. She was a huge part of the problem.
 
2012-07-06 07:18:37 PM  
One of my brothers had it when he was younger. He's mellowed out now, but he did enjoy busting heads for no reason in his youth.
 
2012-07-06 07:32:17 PM  
Kids who weren't disciplined for throwing temper tantrums when they were little, keep throwing temper tantrums when they're older?

www.myfacewhen.net
 
2012-07-06 07:39:15 PM  

MasterYong: Ah, another bullshiat "mental disorder" made up to explain kids being kids.

My brother was diagnosed with "Oppositional Personality Disorder" in high school about 15 years ago. He exhibited every. single. one. of the symptoms that are described for "Intermittent Explosive Disorder." Same "disorder," different name (the marketing department said the OPD was getting a little stale, ya know?)

They gave him Paxil. He took ONE and hated the way it made him feel (was like speed, and only made him angrier), so he quit taking it. He palmed every pill for the next 60 days and kept them in a little bottle. After the 60 days had passed and he went in with my mom and the doctor for a checkup, my mom explained to the doctor how much better he's been doing. She explained how much calmer he was, how much less confrontational. The Doctor praised him for doing so well, and praised the medication for being the answer.

My brother then handed the doctor the pill bottle with all the paxil in it and (calmly) told him to fark off, before promptly leaving the exam room.

We still laugh about that at the dinner table every other holiday or so.

/farking doctors. Do more harm than good when it comes to a lot of kids.
//who'da thought that telling a misbehaving little shiat that if they don't settle down you're going to medicate them to the point they turn into a happy-go-lucky zombie would actually make them want to act right?
///I think "no consequences" and "too much entitlement" parenting are to blame for most children's "mental disorders" (although admittedly there are still some, though VERY FEW, that have real problems)
////"Intermittent Explosive Disorder." I'm pretty sure I have that every time I eat at Chipotle.
//CSB
//SLASHIES!!!


Ah, classic case of Patient Defiance Disorder (formerly Physician Denial Disorder, but it was unclear who was denying whom).

We can control that with medication.
 
2012-07-06 07:46:53 PM  
images.wikia.com

Also called the "Credible Hulk Disorder".
 
2012-07-06 08:01:49 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: InfrasonicTom: It will be, only those dump truck loads of salt will be by prescription only and made available by Pfizer.

Only until the patent runs out, then you'll be able to get the generic version by prescription.


Which is why they have to keep coming up with new "diseases".
 
2012-07-06 08:10:44 PM  
I remember kids like this in high school. It was a lot of fun throwing balls of paper at the backs of their heads until they exploded with rage.
 
2012-07-06 08:31:38 PM  
That's what firearms are for.

/defending yourself against said douchebags, with the least effort on your part
 
2012-07-06 09:40:27 PM  

Beauf: They had a different name for this when I was a kid; temper tantrum. Parents who do not put an end to it at 2 or 3 will be dealing with it when their brats are teenagers. When they are little and throwing a tantrum just ignore them completely. When the realize it is not getting them what they want they will stop doing it.


Actually, speaking from experience with real children, the age-two\-three temper tantrums are because, at two or three, children have the neurological growth of all of puberty compressed into a few years. They stop on their own.

If they're having repeat temper tantrums as teenagers, with no previous issues, it is in fact a real live symptom of a disorder. I have a feeling a lot of these teens also have previous issues.

/Lives with a brother with pre-existing issues, and not even he would qualify for this disorder.
//Sure, it's fun to keep claiming the problem is that you haven't smacked them enough, but do you want to solve the real problem, or some imaginary one?
 
2012-07-06 09:51:54 PM  
"We know not that much about the course of the disorder," study author Katie McLaughlin told CNN. "Which kids grow out of it and which kids don't?"

Geez! 99% of the time, it's a combination of the hormonal surge and home environment.

When their balls kick in and their wieners do more than just stand up -- the flood of testosterone does more than turn them into pricks with ears, it also increases their aggressive tendencies. Already competitive, the males start to have shorter tempers and begin getting into more fights. Plus, the normal 'boyish comrade' becomes more aggressive also, with guys pushing each other to test their limits and to gain social status.

After subtracting a percentage of boys who have krappy home lives, live in aggressive environments -- like ghettoes or disgruntled minority settlements -- there will be roughly 1 or 2 % who will have a serious anger problem that can be classified as a mental illness. Roughly .01% will have organic brain damage. Maybe .50% will have a genetic propensity.

Plus you need to factor in the ever increasing and confusing rules and regulations of modern society, where assorted laws seem to pop up after being written by morons. Not to mention adapting to new challenges created by steadily advancing technology which creates previously undiscovered problems -- like cyber bullies, hackers, Face Book snobbism and a whole new world of sexual experiences and exploitation.

Plus, Mom and Dad can't help there, because the majority grew up before cell phones or when cell phones just did one thing: made calls and computers didn't have hard drives -- just floppies.

Things can be rather confusing and challenging for adolescents these days.
 
2012-07-06 09:51:55 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: "Which kids grow out of it and which kids don't?"

Haven't RTFT yet, though this seems to be the prominent question in my mind.

A little bit of background: I grew up with my abuser; had known him for 17 years before we started dating; throughout our entire adolescence. It was obvious in those early years he had ADHD (growing up in the Tipper Gore age of 'let's put all of our kids on psychotropic medication') I had honestly never believed that ADHD existed until I met my ex when he was 14 and I 15, but he was textbook. His outbursts back then involved him getting frustrated because he had a hard time keeping up wit our conversations, would get quite and sulk out of our presence... then it grew to frustration that he wasn't performing correctly a couple years later and he started to take his frustrations out on inanimate objects such as walls or doors, or beer bottles against walls or doors. He'd spend his energy, blow off some steam then he'd be himself again.

All the sudden out of nowhere, he dropped off the face of the planet, as far as we were concerned. No one could get a hold of him, nor did he try to get in touch with anyone else, for four years. He was simply gone. He shows back up, out of the blue, gets in touch with me (we were reeeally close friends), we hang out and started dating. A few months later, from my eyes, he went from taking his aggression out on inanimate objects onto animate objects; i.e., me. At that point I was kind of stuck. Got out, he's been convicted of DV assault, place on house arrest and probation, I've got a restraining order.... against. my. best. friend.

When I was a teen, I had my moments, we all did. At least most of us have. I've felt that urging and uncontrollable rage before; but, I was a kid. It never went further than breaking something real quick and then feeling incredibly remorseful over it afterwards. What exactly could the difference between my own teenage angst and his? Yes, he, during those four years absence from ...


You knew he was unstable at 15 and you started dating him years later. Sounds like he wasn't the only farked up one.

/no excuse for the abuse but look in the mirror too
//sane people don't start dating someone they already know is unstable
 
2012-07-06 10:02:48 PM  

my lip balm addiction: You knew he was unstable at 15 and you started dating him years later. Sounds like he wasn't the only farked up one.

/no excuse for the abuse but look in the mirror too
//sane people don't start dating someone they already know is unstable


ADHD does not equate unstable.



But, sure, it's all my fault. I pushed him. I shouldn't have dressed that way, goddammitsomuch!
 
2012-07-06 10:19:52 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: my lip balm addiction: You knew he was unstable at 15 and you started dating him years later. Sounds like he wasn't the only farked up one.

/no excuse for the abuse but look in the mirror too
//sane people don't start dating someone they already know is unstable

ADHD does not equate unstable.


No, everything else in your post "equates" unstable

But, sure, it's all my fault. I pushed him. I shouldn't have dressed that way, goddammitsomuch!

It must be so exhausting playing the victim all day long. Get some rest, Sweetie, you're not responsible for anything, ever.
 
2012-07-06 10:45:13 PM  

Precision Boobery: CapeFearCadaver: my lip balm addiction: You knew he was unstable at 15 and you started dating him years later. Sounds like he wasn't the only farked up one.

/no excuse for the abuse but look in the mirror too
//sane people don't start dating someone they already know is unstable

ADHD does not equate unstable.

No, everything else in your post "equates" unstable

But, sure, it's all my fault. I pushed him. I shouldn't have dressed that way, goddammitsomuch!

It must be so exhausting playing the victim all day long. Get some rest, Sweetie, you're not responsible for anything, ever.


Aw, you're sweet. I am responsible for my own self, and that is all. No one else. Per such, I have not allowed myself to be a victim. That seems to piss you off almost as much as it pissed him off... But, if you need to apply such to a stranger to make your own life feel less miserable, be my guest. I truly don't mind.
 
2012-07-06 11:11:57 PM  
The first thing I have to wonder about this study is if they screened out the teenagers who had other disorders before counting this "8%" or whatever?

Because about 4% of the population will end up being sociopaths, and about 4% will end up being narcissists. That's DSM IV TR. They really don't like to classify anyone with either of those diagnoses until the patient is solidly adult.

But anyway, the angry, raging, violent temper tantrum is a lovely, endearing feature you can get with both narcissists and sociopaths. So it is entirely possible that what this study is effectively saying is, "Hey, these whack jobs that we don't want to stick this nasty, permanent, adult, abnormal label on until they're fully adult? They're some pretty darned obnoxious gits as kids, too."

However, you can also get explosive, violent, raging behavior with some other mental health problems, so it matters how the study was designed and what methods they used to try to exclude people who had other mental illnesses.


/DSM V mostly rolls sociopathy and some of the worst behavior of narcissists into "psychopathy" but because they change the criteria for the personality disorders all around, across the whole manual, the "incidence" numbers will all change at the edges. It's going to be a right mess. And it's going to be expensive as hell to do all the studies to get good population statistics numbers for the new diagnostic categories.
 
2012-07-06 11:15:40 PM  
I think I get this sometimes, especially when I haven't eaten recently or haven't gotten enough sleep. A little thing will just make me incredibly angry and I'll start to boil over. I've learned to recognize it and just walk away to avoid doing anything stupid. It honestly kind of scares me since I'm not normally like that.

/It's really a problem since I don't always get hungry but I'll get headaches and be irritable if I haven't eaten
 
2012-07-06 11:44:12 PM  
heh.. try getting through the DHS at an airport when the little booger goes off

"ma'am, please controll your child"

" i can't, he's got a medical condition. He's got IED"

TSA hears"blablabalbablab no balbabla IED"

"ON THE FLOOR NOW LADY!"(sounds of tazers being applied to unruly crochfruit and helicopter parent)
 
2012-07-06 11:46:29 PM  

Julie Cochrane:
/DSM V mostly rolls sociopathy and some of the worst behavior of narcissists into "psychopathy" but because they change the criteria for the personality disorders all around, across the whole manual, the "incidence" numbers will all change at the edges. It's going to be a right mess. And it's going to be expensive as hell to do all the studies to get good population statistics numbers for the new diagnostic categories.


Well of course.
1) Who gets paid for the studies? The same people making the distinction.
2) If it's too common it's normal human behavior, not a disorder. This, of course, is the huge problem with ADHD diagnoses
 
2012-07-07 12:54:55 AM  

bhcompy: Julie Cochrane:
/DSM V mostly rolls sociopathy and some of the worst behavior of narcissists into "psychopathy" but because they change the criteria for the personality disorders all around, across the whole manual, the "incidence" numbers will all change at the edges. It's going to be a right mess. And it's going to be expensive as hell to do all the studies to get good population statistics numbers for the new diagnostic categories.

Well of course.
1) Who gets paid for the studies? The same people making the distinction.
2) If it's too common it's normal human behavior, not a disorder. This, of course, is the huge problem with ADHD diagnoses


Yeah. The other problem with the ADHD diagnosis, sort of, and with the whole pathologizing of behavior, is that if we call a biologically-based behavior that is just dammit how people are a "disorder" we can force schools and workplaces---but primarily schools---to set their policies so that the expectations for the people in question are actually humanly possible for those people to achieve.

We have a harder time telling schools, "You have to let the little boys run around like wild maniacs for fifteen minutes after lunch so that they can settle down and learn in the afternoon because they're human little boys. They're not robots, and they're not little girls, and you can't just wave a magic wand and make them how you wish them to be."

So yeah, instead we say, "Johnny is an especially human-little-boy-like boy and can't settle down and learn worth a crap in the afternoon unless you let him run around for a few minutes and get the excess energy out of his system. You have to let him go to the gym and run laps until he can settle down. He has ADHD and it's in his IEP."

When, really, probably all the little boys in Johnny's class could use a few laps around the gym after lunch to work a few lumps of lard off their poor, obese, out-of-shape, couch-parked asses.

But the school has a corncob up its collective arse and wants all the kids' butts in chairs at desks, all the time, doing classwork--as if that's going to help their standardized test scores. Dumbass bureaucrats.
 
2012-07-07 01:47:02 AM  
Came for Randy Orton references. Only saw one, leaves disappointed to punt my dog and give and RKO to my cat!
 
2012-07-07 02:07:20 AM  

Julie Cochrane: The first thing I have to wonder about this study is if they screened out the teenagers who had other disorders before counting this "8%" or whatever?

Because about 4% of the population will end up being sociopaths, and about 4% will end up being narcissists. That's DSM IV TR. They really don't like to classify anyone with either of those diagnoses until the patient is solidly adult.

But anyway, the angry, raging, violent temper tantrum is a lovely, endearing feature you can get with both narcissists and sociopaths. So it is entirely possible that what this study is effectively saying is, "Hey, these whack jobs that we don't want to stick this nasty, permanent, adult, abnormal label on until they're fully adult? They're some pretty darned obnoxious gits as kids, too."

However, you can also get explosive, violent, raging behavior with some other mental health problems, so it matters how the study was designed and what methods they used to try to exclude people who had other mental illnesses.


/DSM V mostly rolls sociopathy and some of the worst behavior of narcissists into "psychopathy" but because they change the criteria for the personality disorders all around, across the whole manual, the "incidence" numbers will all change at the edges. It's going to be a right mess. And it's going to be expensive as hell to do all the studies to get good population statistics numbers for the new diagnostic categories.


Well for one thing, you're forgetting that the DSM criteria for IED specifies that these anger attacks AREN'T the result of another disorder or substance abuse. Upon reading the actual study, their methods weren't too bad, honestly (though I'll admit I always find it sketchy when they use a P
 
2012-07-07 02:16:52 AM  
Oh my god, I just typed out that whole response and Fark made it go bye bye all because I didn't add a space between P
... (though I'll admit I always find it sketchy when they use a P
 
2012-07-07 02:17:33 AM  

batcookie: Oh my god, I just typed out that whole response and Fark made it go bye bye all because I didn't add a space between P
... (though I'll admit I always find it sketchy when they use a P


FARK IT, I'M DONE. YOU SUCK FARK FILTERS. I'm taking my psychologist brain elsewhere. :-P
 
2012-07-07 02:23:47 AM  
Anything anyone doesn't like about someone else is now a disorder and must be cured by expensive mind-altering drugs and/or therapy. We used to deal with these things through a concept called "controlling yourself".
 
2012-07-07 02:30:26 AM  

Assimilate This: Anything anyone doesn't like about someone else is now a disorder and must be cured by expensive mind-altering drugs and/or therapy. We used to deal with these things through a concept called "controlling yourself".


Right because there's no such thing as an "impulse control disorder," which is what this is. Next you gonna start telling people with depression to just get over it and cheer up? Or even better, tell people with cancer to stop their cancerous cells from dividing! Come on man, we can't do EVERYTHING for you! *rolls eyes* I mean, honestly, are there cases where it's learned? Yes, which is what I was TRYING to get at in the post Fark kept insisted on not letting me post (thanks filters... grrr), but to say there aren't people that honestly CAN'T control it is stupid. There ARE different shortcomings in the brain that some people have. Would you argue that a schizophrenic person should just "stop seeing things" by using self-control? So why is this different?
 
2012-07-07 04:11:05 AM  
So basically, lack of getting their asses whipped is a mental disorder?
 
2012-07-07 04:59:46 AM  

Slappajo: So basically, lack of getting their asses whipped is a mental disorder?


Yes, because hitting is guaranteed to create a well-adjusted and non-violent adult...
 
2012-07-07 06:59:53 AM  

cuzsis: Kids who weren't disciplined for throwing temper tantrums when they were little, keep throwing temper tantrums when they're older?

[www.myfacewhen.net image 493x349]


There's just as many kids who continue to throw tantrums when they're older even when they are disciplined.

In general, punishment teaches people to avoid the behavior when they can't get away with it, it doesn't necessarily condition them to behave in acceptable ways. They just act like morons again once they don't have to worry about punishment. Sure, it works for some people, depending on who they are and who their parents are, but for every anecdote about how getting smacked helped them become responsible adults, there's at least one other person who just ends up being an a-hole who hates his parents. Punishment for bad behavior is just not the best way to ensure that people grow up as reasonable, well-adjusted adults.
 
2012-07-07 07:18:48 AM  

batcookie: There ARE different shortcomings in the brain that some people have. Would you argue that a schizophrenic person should just "stop seeing things" by using self-control? So why is this different?


I agree with you. However....

People are (rightly, I think) concerned that it will end up being overdiagnosed and overmedicated like other disorders have become (ADHD is a good example). When that happens, not only do you have the problem of kids spending their developmental years under the influence of mood-altering drugs, you end up with two overarching camps that are both problematic -- one group of people who repeatedly try to convince their kid's therapists (often successfully) to give them drugs so they'll be easier to handle instead of actually undergoing therapy, and another group which refuses to believe that the disorder even exists because so many fairly normal kids are diagnosed with it. And that doesn't even mention the hordes of people that end up thinking that practically every psychological disorder is a "big pharma" conspiracy that is actually treatable by "sucking it up", in large part because so many relatively normal people are suddenly given the "I'm sick" excuse for poor behavior.

I believe ADHD is absolutely real, and I'd wouldn't deny the existence of this one, either. The brain can malfunction in any number of odd ways. But it is important also to realize that these symptoms exist in almost ALL kids to some degree. Impulse control is done in significant part in the frontal lobe, which is one of the parts of the brain that is latest to develop. Kids and teenagers are notoriously impulsive and emotional, for very good biological reason! This is not something that needs to be medicated in the vast majority of cases, even if it IS disruptive on some level. If it is TRULY a problem, they should do sit-down therapy FIRST, and be medicated only as a very last resort.

Unfortunately, many therapists (AND parents) are all to happy to simply pop pills because it is so very much easier to do.
 
2012-07-07 09:39:56 AM  

Gawdzila: batcookie: There ARE different shortcomings in the brain that some people have. Would you argue that a schizophrenic person should just "stop seeing things" by using self-control? So why is this different?

I agree with you. However....

People are (rightly, I think) concerned that it will end up being overdiagnosed and overmedicated like other disorders have become (ADHD is a good example). When that happens, not only do you have the problem of kids spending their developmental years under the influence of mood-altering drugs, you end up with two overarching camps that are both problematic -- one group of people who repeatedly try to convince their kid's therapists (often successfully) to give them drugs so they'll be easier to handle instead of actually undergoing therapy, and another group which refuses to believe that the disorder even exists because so many fairly normal kids are diagnosed with it. And that doesn't even mention the hordes of people that end up thinking that practically every psychological disorder is a "big pharma" conspiracy that is actually treatable by "sucking it up", in large part because so many relatively normal people are suddenly given the "I'm sick" excuse for poor behavior.

I believe ADHD is absolutely real, and I'd wouldn't deny the existence of this one, either. The brain can malfunction in any number of odd ways. But it is important also to realize that these symptoms exist in almost ALL kids to some degree. Impulse control is done in significant part in the frontal lobe, which is one of the parts of the brain that is latest to develop. Kids and teenagers are notoriously impulsive and emotional, for very good biological reason! This is not something that needs to be medicated in the vast majority of cases, even if it IS disruptive on some level. If it is TRULY a problem, they should do sit-down therapy FIRST, and be medicated only as a very last resort.

Unfortunately, many therapists (AND parents) are all to happy to si ...


It kind of sucks that it's so very expensive to do SPECT scans. Those suckers can give hard, visual data about little Johnny's or little Suzie's brain that people won't believe if you diagnose it some other way. And, frankly, it can do a lot to rule out or rule in what you think you're seeing about a patient and the details about a particular patient's damages.

It's a lot easier to deal with family, schools, etc., when you have a very visually convincing and understandable set of brain scans in hand and can show them, "This is a normal brain. This is Johnny's brain. This is the area that makes the difference in behavior."

"Oooooh. Aaaaaahhhh."

"This is Johnny's brain on drugs. See how it looks more like the normal brain?"

"Oooooh. Aaaaaahhh."

Or, variously, "These are the befores and afters of someone with Johnny's same diagnosis after TalkFixO (TM) Brand Therapy."

"Ooooh. Aaaaahh."

Personally, I'm a fan of DBT--it's not just for Borderlines anymore.
 
2012-07-07 10:34:49 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: "Which kids grow out of it and which kids don't?"

Haven't RTFT yet, though this seems to be the prominent question in my mind.

A little bit of background: I grew up with my abuser; had known him for 17 years before we started dating; throughout our entire adolescence. It was obvious in those early years he had ADHD (growing up in the Tipper Gore age of 'let's put all of our kids on psychotropic medication') I had honestly never believed that ADHD existed until I met my ex when he was 14 and I 15, but he was textbook. His outbursts back then involved him getting frustrated because he had a hard time keeping up wit our conversations, would get quite and sulk out of our presence... then it grew to frustration that he wasn't performing correctly a couple years later and he started to take his frustrations out on inanimate objects such as walls or doors, or beer bottles against walls or doors. He'd spend his energy, blow off some steam then he'd be himself again.

All the sudden out of nowhere, he dropped off the face of the planet, as far as we were concerned. No one could get a hold of him, nor did he try to get in touch with anyone else, for four years. He was simply gone. He shows back up, out of the blue, gets in touch with me (we were reeeally close friends), we hang out and started dating. A few months later, from my eyes, he went from taking his aggression out on inanimate objects onto animate objects; i.e., me. At that point I was kind of stuck. Got out, he's been convicted of DV assault, place on house arrest and probation, I've got a restraining order.... against. my. best. friend.

When I was a teen, I had my moments, we all did. At least most of us have. I've felt that urging and uncontrollable rage before; but, I was a kid. It never went further than breaking something real quick and then feeling incredibly remorseful over it afterwards. What exactly could the difference between my own teenage angst and his? Yes, he, during those four years absence from ...


Sad story, sis.
 
2012-07-07 11:49:55 AM  
Sounds like something you'd get from eating too much Taco Bell.
 
2012-07-07 08:39:21 PM  

Gawdzila: batcookie: There ARE different shortcomings in the brain that some people have. Would you argue that a schizophrenic person should just "stop seeing things" by using self-control? So why is this different?

I agree with you. However....

People are (rightly, I think) concerned that it will end up being overdiagnosed and overmedicated like other disorders have become (ADHD is a good example). When that happens, not only do you have the problem of kids spending their developmental years under the influence of mood-altering drugs, you end up with two overarching camps that are both problematic -- one group of people who repeatedly try to convince their kid's therapists (often successfully) to give them drugs so they'll be easier to handle instead of actually undergoing therapy, and another group which refuses to believe that the disorder even exists because so many fairly normal kids are diagnosed with it. And that doesn't even mention the hordes of people that end up thinking that practically every psychological disorder is a "big pharma" conspiracy that is actually treatable by "sucking it up", in large part because so many relatively normal people are suddenly given the "I'm sick" excuse for poor behavior.

I believe ADHD is absolutely real, and I'd wouldn't deny the existence of this one, either. The brain can malfunction in any number of odd ways. But it is important also to realize that these symptoms exist in almost ALL kids to some degree. Impulse control is done in significant part in the frontal lobe, which is one of the parts of the brain that is latest to develop. Kids and teenagers are notoriously impulsive and emotional, for very good biological reason! This is not something that needs to be medicated in the vast majority of cases, even if it IS disruptive on some level. If it is TRULY a problem, they should do sit-down therapy FIRST, and be medicated only as a very last resort.

Unfortunately, many therapists (AND parents) are all to happy to si ...


Haha these are most of the points I was trying to make when the Fark html filters wouldn't let me get past trying to type P (less than symbol) .05.
 
2012-07-07 08:48:30 PM  

batcookie: Assimilate This: Anything anyone doesn't like about someone else is now a disorder and must be cured by expensive mind-altering drugs and/or therapy. We used to deal with these things through a concept called "controlling yourself".

Right because there's no such thing as an "impulse control disorder," which is what this is. Next you gonna start telling people with depression to just get over it and cheer up? Or even better, tell people with cancer to stop their cancerous cells from dividing! Come on man, we can't do EVERYTHING for you! *rolls eyes* I mean, honestly, are there cases where it's learned? Yes, which is what I was TRYING to get at in the post Fark kept insisted on not letting me post (thanks filters... grrr), but to say there aren't people that honestly CAN'T control it is stupid. There ARE different shortcomings in the brain that some people have. Would you argue that a schizophrenic person should just "stop seeing things" by using self-control? So why is this different?


No I'm saying these legitimate problems are over-diagnosed solely to line the pockets of psychiatrists and pharmacists.
 
2012-07-07 09:54:01 PM  

Assimilate This:
No I'm saying these legitimate problems are over-diagnosed solely to line the pockets of psychiatrists and pharmacists.


I'm reading this book right now. It's really hair raising about this topic.
 
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