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2012-07-06 02:45:33 PM
4 votes:
Yep, the crazy weather patterns of the last few years are just a statistical blip. The fact that they exactly match what concerned climatologists have been predicting for years is pure coincidence.

\\so vote Republican
2012-07-06 03:28:32 PM
2 votes:
Funny how this is a problem NOW that the cold war is over.


Well....not really. The U.S. and former Soviet State's missile bases never really stood down, and only obsolete weapons have been replaced. There still are guys sitting in bunkers out in Kansas cornfields with their launch keys pulled outside of their blouses, while they read paperbacks and do endless tests and whatnot. Brian, the dorky guy who used to be on Ghosthunters was a missile tech in the USAF, and used to go and repair missile systems onsite as less as ten years ago.
2012-07-06 02:07:50 PM
2 votes:

Somacandra: DesertDemonWY: /done in one

Actually, WTF are you posting shiat from the goddamn Dust Bowl era for?


He's trying to suggest that it was worse then so ignore this one. It makes no sense to me, either.
2012-07-07 12:44:05 AM
1 votes:

Stuart Wolfe: ghare: Dr. Mojo PhD: Stuart Wolfe: In the 1970's the big concern was Global Cooling.

Well, other than the fact that that's completely not true and entirely made up, you're right! In your imaginary fantasy world that in no way coincides with reality, the 1970s that exists only in your head had a major global cooling scare.

Thankfully, for those of us not divorced from reality, well, we know you're just lying.

Now now, he might just be willfully ignorant, or have a congenital brain disorder.

Here you go:Link

Don't hurt yourself reading it. It does have big words.


If you linked to that to back up your claim that "In the 1970's the big concern was Global Cooling", you need to try again. Look at the very first line!

Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere along with a posited commencement of glaciation. This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles. In contrast to the global cooling conjecture, the current scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth has not durably cooled, but undergone global warming throughout the twentieth century.[1] (emphasis added)

If you meant to say that in the nineteen seventies, global cooling was a big concern for the scientifically illiterate, you may have had a point.
2012-07-06 11:41:03 PM
1 votes:

Dr. Mojo PhD: dennysgod: So while there wasn't any scientific consensus,

Oh. You mean the talk of another ice in several hundred to several thousand years. (Notice how the "global cooling scare" proponents never point that part out?) Right. So not a big concern, and when I said so I was 100% accurate that it never was and those who purport it to be are pathological liars; just something to explore. "Will it happen, and if so what will its effects be?" as opposed to "It's happening now!" You know. What science is about.


I think you need to switch to decaf. I was merely pointing out that there was indeed real media hype in the 70s about global cooling and that it wasn't made up as you suggested earlier.
2012-07-06 07:35:35 PM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: One year is weather. Hell, several years is weather.

But this summer has been hell on crops. They are talking about "Dust Bowl" levels of crops ruined. They've already started mowing down corn in Missouri and Illinois. Even in Indiana, corn was going gangbusters....knee high by the 4th of July and then some. Then went to seed with tassles popping out...at 3 feet tall. Pretty much a ruined crop.

So...ethanol and corn prices will be skyrocketing. Hell, even wheat is being affected. Beans too.


If the corn supply is going to be limited, we should drop those price supports and let the market take over, right?
2012-07-06 07:35:28 PM
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Here's an animation of observed Gulf stream velocities from 2003-present. I don't see any interruption.


Yeah, checked the site and that appears to be in order. Was just a theory of mine, with all this unusually hot weather localized to the US, and the unusually cold winter some places in Europe where it ends up.
2012-07-06 07:15:07 PM
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Who'd have thought clogging the gulf currents with millions of gallons of oil would stop the warm water from traveling across the Atlantic, making America warmer, while also causing unusually cold weather in Europe, where the warm currents used to go.


Here's an animation of observed Gulf stream velocities from 2003-present. I don't see any interruption.
2012-07-06 06:33:50 PM
1 votes:
One thing I noticed is most cities are officially in the 'mild drought' or lowest category and this leads me to believe there's a little cherry picking going on to justify the rise in water costs.
2012-07-06 05:33:13 PM
1 votes:
Frost killing orchards in the spring is not news.

That has happened in the past and will happen in future

All the orchards in my area have wind machines and smudge pots to try and protect their orchards (Idaho)

I'm assuming Ontario, Canada. Looking at average last frost dates for different cities (Link) (4/25 - 6/8) an April frost for that region would be typical
2012-07-06 04:38:42 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: But now she's becoming Mulholland with that grab into Utah.


Yeah I'm not crazy about that idea either. Las Vegas can still stand to conserve more water. Rip out the lush landscaping, bulldoze those freaking golf courses, and drain The Lakes. Those "lakes" were considered ridiculous and egregiously decadent even when they were being built back in the late '80s.
2012-07-06 04:34:20 PM
1 votes:

make me some tea: And wouldn't you know it, Pat Mulroy has been the target of derision for Southern Nevada conservative talk radio for many years now.


She has done a lot to save Las Vegas ass. But now she's becoming Mulholland with that grab into Utah.
2012-07-06 04:25:48 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: I've Mead and Powell bookmarked. As well as a few others. To listen to Pat Mulroy, Grady Gammage Jr and others, there is a lot of real concern out there. Some say 'get rid of farming' to fix it. I don't think that is a good idea. Better practices? Sure. Absolutely.

Ultimately, we are overpopulating an area that can't support it.


And wouldn't you know it, Pat Mulroy has been the target of derision for Southern Nevada conservative talk radio for many years now.

I don't know how anyone can look at that lake and not get a bad feeling their gut.

This is absolutely the worst I've seen. Holy crap. There's even vegetation now growing where the water once was not too long ago.
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2012-07-06 04:05:49 PM
1 votes:

make me some tea: Ah, here we go. It was lower in 2010 I guess. But still, hovering around critical levels.

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I've Mead and Powell bookmarked. As well as a few others. To listen to Pat Mulroy, Grady Gammage Jr and others, there is a lot of real concern out there. Some say 'get rid of farming' to fix it. I don't think that is a good idea. Better practices? Sure. Absolutely.

Ultimately, we are overpopulating an area that can't support it.
2012-07-06 03:27:34 PM
1 votes:

make me some tea: DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one

I'm not making a climate change argument here, but there were a whole lot less people living in those regions back in 1934...


And fewer water projects in place to hold water.

There are no more places to dam to hold water out West. There were plenty, then.
2012-07-06 03:07:22 PM
1 votes:

Jake Havechek: "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the finger in their face and say you helped this happen."


Their gods are failing. And so they use this to prove their gods are succeeding. Sounds .... par for the course.
2012-07-06 02:59:28 PM
1 votes:
However, I put odds on the Yellowstone caldera erupting, an asteroid or comet fragment impact, or the human race nuking themselves before climate change becomes any kind of real issue.
2012-07-06 02:56:01 PM
1 votes:
Well, deny it or not, the climate has been a bit wonky for the last 20 years. Whether we had anything to do with or can do anything about is academic by this point, because we're going to have to deal with it.
2012-07-06 02:42:51 PM
1 votes:
One year is weather. Hell, several years is weather.

But this summer has been hell on crops. They are talking about "Dust Bowl" levels of crops ruined. They've already started mowing down corn in Missouri and Illinois. Even in Indiana, corn was going gangbusters....knee high by the 4th of July and then some. Then went to seed with tassles popping out...at 3 feet tall. Pretty much a ruined crop.

So...ethanol and corn prices will be skyrocketing. Hell, even wheat is being affected. Beans too.

And for some anecdotal weather...locally it hadn't hit 100 but one day maybe in the last 5 years. This year it's been over 100 at least 10 days. And rain is way below normal. Record levels below normal.
2012-07-06 02:07:15 PM
1 votes:
*sigh*
2012-07-06 02:04:41 PM
1 votes:

DesertDemonWY: /done in one


Actually, WTF are you posting shiat from the goddamn Dust Bowl era for?
2012-07-06 02:02:37 PM
1 votes:

netizencain: DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one

if you ignore snow fall, then ya. okay


Uh no. North Dakota, Minnesota and Iowa barely got any snow this year. My IA friends were mowing their lawns in February in 50 degree weather. My father in law is in Fargo and got very little snow and it didn't stick around.
2012-07-06 12:01:48 PM
1 votes:
wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com

/done in one
 
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