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2012-07-06 12:01:48 PM
wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com

/done in one
 
2012-07-06 12:38:07 PM

DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one


If you say so, I guess.
 
2012-07-06 01:06:55 PM

DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one


if you ignore snow fall, then ya. okay
 
2012-07-06 01:18:36 PM

netizencain: if you ignore snow fall, then ya. okay


Snowfall ignored us this past winter. Yeah I'm about 3 hours from Chicago in the 'Extreme Drought' area
 
2012-07-06 01:28:36 PM

netizencain: DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one

if you ignore snow fall, then ya. okay


From the Drought Monitor explanation page: " Indices used primarily during the snow season and in the West include snow water content, river basin precipitation, and the Surface Water Supply Index (SWSI)."

As this is not the "snow season," they ignored it too
 
2012-07-06 02:02:37 PM

netizencain: DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one

if you ignore snow fall, then ya. okay


Uh no. North Dakota, Minnesota and Iowa barely got any snow this year. My IA friends were mowing their lawns in February in 50 degree weather. My father in law is in Fargo and got very little snow and it didn't stick around.
 
2012-07-06 02:04:41 PM

DesertDemonWY: /done in one


Actually, WTF are you posting shiat from the goddamn Dust Bowl era for?
 
2012-07-06 02:07:15 PM
*sigh*
 
2012-07-06 02:07:50 PM

Somacandra: DesertDemonWY: /done in one

Actually, WTF are you posting shiat from the goddamn Dust Bowl era for?


He's trying to suggest that it was worse then so ignore this one. It makes no sense to me, either.
 
2012-07-06 02:25:12 PM
Uh, subby? It rained all over the east coast this past weekend. Maybe you heard about it? Violent storm, some latino name. Dooraycho or something like that, who knows how you spell that nonsense.
 
2012-07-06 02:32:35 PM

DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one


So we've picked two specific years. 1934 (conveniently) and this year. Not saying any specific theory is true or untrue... but I think it would be fair to see a progression from as far back as we can get to the beginning of the industrial revolution through today.
 
2012-07-06 02:39:14 PM
Oh hell. That's not gonna be good for the Colorado River watershed.
 
2012-07-06 02:42:51 PM
One year is weather. Hell, several years is weather.

But this summer has been hell on crops. They are talking about "Dust Bowl" levels of crops ruined. They've already started mowing down corn in Missouri and Illinois. Even in Indiana, corn was going gangbusters....knee high by the 4th of July and then some. Then went to seed with tassles popping out...at 3 feet tall. Pretty much a ruined crop.

So...ethanol and corn prices will be skyrocketing. Hell, even wheat is being affected. Beans too.

And for some anecdotal weather...locally it hadn't hit 100 but one day maybe in the last 5 years. This year it's been over 100 at least 10 days. And rain is way below normal. Record levels below normal.
 
2012-07-06 02:45:33 PM
Yep, the crazy weather patterns of the last few years are just a statistical blip. The fact that they exactly match what concerned climatologists have been predicting for years is pure coincidence.

\\so vote Republican
 
2012-07-06 02:46:59 PM
submittard.. you're just as dumb as the deniers
 
2012-07-06 02:48:25 PM
"The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the finger in their face and say you helped this happen."
 
2012-07-06 02:49:28 PM
www.ncdc.noaa.gov

June isn't up yet.
 
2012-07-06 02:51:33 PM

Jake Havechek: "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the finger in their face and say you helped this happen."


Well, there's Bobby Taylor sittin' there and seven times he's asked me for a date
Mrs. Taylor sure seems to use a lot of ice whenever he's away
And Mr. Baker, can you tell us why your secretary had to leave this town?
And shouldn't widow Jones be told to keep her window shades all pulled completely down?

Well, Mr. Harper couldn't be here 'cause he stayed too long at Kelly's Bar again
And if you smell Shirley Thompson's breath, you'll find she's had a little nip of gin
Then you have the nerve to tell me you think that as a mother I'm not fit
Well, this is just a little Peyton Place and you're all Harper Valley hypocrites
 
2012-07-06 02:52:45 PM

downstairs: DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one

So we've picked two specific years. 1934 (conveniently) and this year. Not saying any specific theory is true or untrue... but I think it would be fair to see a progression from as far back as we can get to the beginning of the industrial revolution through today.


The new index has an animation thingy on it's page, but it only goes back 12 years. NOAA's drought index goes back to 1900
 
2012-07-06 02:53:57 PM

I_C_Weener: [www.ncdc.noaa.gov image 640x525]

June isn't up yet.


yes it is
 
2012-07-06 02:56:01 PM
Well, deny it or not, the climate has been a bit wonky for the last 20 years. Whether we had anything to do with or can do anything about is academic by this point, because we're going to have to deal with it.
 
2012-07-06 02:57:38 PM

DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one


thank you sir (ma'am, thing)
you are my fark hero of the year

This is the dumbest story I have read in the last 12 minutes.
 
2012-07-06 02:59:28 PM
However, I put odds on the Yellowstone caldera erupting, an asteroid or comet fragment impact, or the human race nuking themselves before climate change becomes any kind of real issue.
 
2012-07-06 03:05:13 PM

DesertDemonWY: downstairs: DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one

So we've picked two specific years. 1934 (conveniently) and this year. Not saying any specific theory is true or untrue... but I think it would be fair to see a progression from as far back as we can get to the beginning of the industrial revolution through today.

The new index has an animation thingy on it's page, but it only goes back 12 years. NOAA's drought index goes back to 1900


Cool thanks. Pretty much as I expected: random.
 
2012-07-06 03:07:22 PM

Jake Havechek: "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the finger in their face and say you helped this happen."


Their gods are failing. And so they use this to prove their gods are succeeding. Sounds .... par for the course.
 
2012-07-06 03:09:48 PM

Jake Havechek: Well, deny it or not, the climate has been a bit wonky for the last 20 years. Whether we had anything to do with or can do anything about is academic by this point, because we're going to have to deal with it.


WONKY is a technical term for normal.
You are aware that a "stable" climate is abnormal? That the last 2000 years have been freakishly stable as the climate goes?

You are aware that the word climate is used for long periods of time and weather is used for short periods of time? That few or no scientists use the word climate when talking about 10-20 years??

Has the climate actually changed? Maybe. (Whether we are responsible is a different, less interesting question. Unless you really think we can control the climate.)
Was it ever rational to assume that the climate would never change? no

bah
 
2012-07-06 03:18:56 PM

downstairs: DesertDemonWY: downstairs: DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one

So we've picked two specific years. 1934 (conveniently) and this year. Not saying any specific theory is true or untrue... but I think it would be fair to see a progression from as far back as we can get to the beginning of the industrial revolution through today.

The new index has an animation thingy on it's page, but it only goes back 12 years. NOAA's drought index goes back to 1900

Cool thanks. Pretty much as I expected: random.


MUCH WORSE THAN RANDOM!!!
Sometimes it is TOO WET!!!!
ROFL

The idea that one extreme or the other is a new phenomenon is so funny.
 
2012-07-06 03:23:14 PM

namatad: Jake Havechek: Well, deny it or not, the climate has been a bit wonky for the last 20 years. Whether we had anything to do with or can do anything about is academic by this point, because we're going to have to deal with it.

WONKY is a technical term for normal.
You are aware that a "stable" climate is abnormal? That the last 2000 years have been freakishly stable as the climate goes?

You are aware that the word climate is used for long periods of time and weather is used for short periods of time? That few or no scientists use the word climate when talking about 10-20 years??

Has the climate actually changed? Maybe. (Whether we are responsible is a different, less interesting question. Unless you really think we can control the climate.)
Was it ever rational to assume that the climate would never change? no

bah


what we should really be worried about is Global Norming
 
2012-07-06 03:23:40 PM

Jake Havechek: However, I put odds on the Yellowstone caldera erupting, an asteroid or comet fragment impact, or the human race nuking themselves before climate change becomes any kind of real issue.


Strangely enough, the first 3 are the only real threats to wiping out the species. Nuclear war? meh. global warming? double meh.

Funny how this is a problem NOW that the cold war is over. These are the same people who have been predicting that we will run out of oil since 1910 and run out of food and that we will have fusion power plants within 20 years.

It is strange to watch their extremes: over optimistic about some things (recycling will save the unverse!! green energy! hydrogen economy!!!) and over pessimistic about other things (population bomb!!!)

They all have the same underlying aspect: the predictors will be dead before they are proven wrong.
 
2012-07-06 03:25:48 PM

DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one


I'm not making a climate change argument here, but there were a whole lot less people living in those regions back in 1934...
 
2012-07-06 03:27:34 PM

make me some tea: DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one

I'm not making a climate change argument here, but there were a whole lot less people living in those regions back in 1934...


And fewer water projects in place to hold water.

There are no more places to dam to hold water out West. There were plenty, then.
 
2012-07-06 03:28:32 PM
Funny how this is a problem NOW that the cold war is over.


Well....not really. The U.S. and former Soviet State's missile bases never really stood down, and only obsolete weapons have been replaced. There still are guys sitting in bunkers out in Kansas cornfields with their launch keys pulled outside of their blouses, while they read paperbacks and do endless tests and whatnot. Brian, the dorky guy who used to be on Ghosthunters was a missile tech in the USAF, and used to go and repair missile systems onsite as less as ten years ago.
 
2012-07-06 03:35:35 PM

DesertDemonWY: what we should really be worried about is Global Norming


LOL
not sure we should worry about anything.
Should we have implement conservation to save species? yes. but only from a aesthetic point of view. Whales, eagles and polar bears are cool. But, if they go extinct, NOT will happen from an ecological point of view. Those niches have already been filled. Plus species come and go all the time.

Should we have worried about air and water pollution? hell yes. And to some degree the EPA has solved that problem. (dont get me started on the cheney loophole)

Should we panic about running out of water, food, energy, wood, animals, climate change, resources and all the other crap? hell no. We will continue to do what we have always done. Adapt.

/Julian Simon is god.
 
2012-07-06 03:38:24 PM

Jake Havechek: Funny how this is a problem NOW that the cold war is over.


Well....not really. The U.S. and former Soviet State's missile bases never really stood down, and only obsolete weapons have been replaced. There still are guys sitting in bunkers out in Kansas cornfields with their launch keys pulled outside of their blouses, while they read paperbacks and do endless tests and whatnot. Brian, the dorky guy who used to be on Ghosthunters was a missile tech in the USAF, and used to go and repair missile systems onsite as less as ten years ago.


I didnt say that we didnt still have the remains, nor the debt to pay off. But the active game of MAD has pretty much gone away. Ask someone who is 45+ and they will tell you about the fear of the cold war. Ask someone who is less than 25 and they will possibly remember what they learned in history class. but fear? nope
 
2012-07-06 03:44:47 PM
Barely got any snow this year. Only 15 inches and our average is 90 inches.
We've had 4 inches of rain this week but the grass is still brown.. very weird year!
 
2012-07-06 03:48:46 PM
Climate Change is whooping the USAs ass. Last year with the 600+ tornado deaths. The wildfires, heatwaves, droughts, derechoes this year. And yet its still not nearly as bad as Summer 2003 in Europe where 70 000 people died from that summers heat.
 
2012-07-06 03:51:10 PM

Nadie_AZ: make me some tea: DesertDemonWY: [wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 550x500]

/done in one

I'm not making a climate change argument here, but there were a whole lot less people living in those regions back in 1934...

And fewer water projects in place to hold water.

There are no more places to dam to hold water out West. There were plenty, then.


I'm really concerned about the Colorado Plateau/Rockies snowpack. I wonder what the level of Lake Mead is right now?

/off to find a site that reports that
 
2012-07-06 03:57:10 PM
Ah, here we go. It was lower in 2010 I guess. But still, hovering around critical levels.

(click for full page)
www.arachnoid.com
 
2012-07-06 04:05:49 PM

make me some tea: Ah, here we go. It was lower in 2010 I guess. But still, hovering around critical levels.

(click for full page)
[www.arachnoid.com image 640x320]


I've Mead and Powell bookmarked. As well as a few others. To listen to Pat Mulroy, Grady Gammage Jr and others, there is a lot of real concern out there. Some say 'get rid of farming' to fix it. I don't think that is a good idea. Better practices? Sure. Absolutely.

Ultimately, we are overpopulating an area that can't support it.
 
2012-07-06 04:22:12 PM
Moist.
 
2012-07-06 04:25:48 PM

Nadie_AZ: I've Mead and Powell bookmarked. As well as a few others. To listen to Pat Mulroy, Grady Gammage Jr and others, there is a lot of real concern out there. Some say 'get rid of farming' to fix it. I don't think that is a good idea. Better practices? Sure. Absolutely.

Ultimately, we are overpopulating an area that can't support it.


And wouldn't you know it, Pat Mulroy has been the target of derision for Southern Nevada conservative talk radio for many years now.

I don't know how anyone can look at that lake and not get a bad feeling their gut.

This is absolutely the worst I've seen. Holy crap. There's even vegetation now growing where the water once was not too long ago.
futuretimeline.net
 
2012-07-06 04:34:20 PM

make me some tea: And wouldn't you know it, Pat Mulroy has been the target of derision for Southern Nevada conservative talk radio for many years now.


She has done a lot to save Las Vegas ass. But now she's becoming Mulholland with that grab into Utah.
 
2012-07-06 04:38:11 PM

Calmamity: Moist.


pichars.org
 
2012-07-06 04:38:42 PM

Nadie_AZ: But now she's becoming Mulholland with that grab into Utah.


Yeah I'm not crazy about that idea either. Las Vegas can still stand to conserve more water. Rip out the lush landscaping, bulldoze those freaking golf courses, and drain The Lakes. Those "lakes" were considered ridiculous and egregiously decadent even when they were being built back in the late '80s.
 
2012-07-06 04:39:11 PM
It's China. They proved it at their Olympics. They control the weather, they control the universe.
 
2012-07-06 04:40:22 PM
Can't wait for all the corn to die. Food should be fun to buy this fall.
 
2012-07-06 04:46:11 PM
www.hnsa.org

R.I.P. USS Monitor
 
2012-07-06 04:59:08 PM
Doggerland - "We have speculated for years on the lost land's existence from bones dredged by fishermen all over the North Sea, but it's only since working with oil companies in the last few years that we have been able to re-create what this lost land looked like"

Thats a double bonus answer Al.
 
2012-07-06 05:00:05 PM
So this winter will probably suck ass then.
 
2012-07-06 05:02:09 PM

Pocket Ninja: Uh, subby? It rained all over the east coast this past weekend. Maybe you heard about it? Violent storm, some latino name. Dooraycho or something like that, who knows how you spell that nonsense.


Well this has been the wettest year in about 10 for us in the south and I don't see how they can claim extreme drought for us.

And nobody except stupid people deny climate change, what people argue is the man made part of it, but then any evidence that supports anything other than man causing it is ignored.
 
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