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2012-07-06 10:44:19 AM
FTFACould this dinosaur fossil be millions of years old? ("No! The earth is just thousands of years old, so the fossils cannot be millions of years old.")

You can't beat that logic.
 
2012-07-06 11:16:04 AM
Mkay....with televangelists living in mansions, and TBN running a mulit-million dollar media empire...how could an entity like the Creation Museum possibly have funding problems??
 
2012-07-06 11:16:05 AM
Yeh, but everyone knows the UN un-nazi'd the world and took Charlie Chaplin from power.
 
2012-07-06 11:16:43 AM
these people freak me out, fingers in the ears crazy
 
2012-07-06 11:16:57 AM
"Fundraising is really tough," Zovath said, blaming the recession. "It's not moving so fast as we hoped."

But I thought it was easy to part fools with their money. Or is that the problem, someone else got there first?
 
2012-07-06 11:17:06 AM
Okay, who else read that as "fundie troubles"?
 
2012-07-06 11:17:19 AM
Last fiscal year, 280,000 people visited, compared to 404,000 the first year it opened in 2007.

That shocks me. Hundreds of thousands of idiots, and that's only the ones who were motivated enough to travel to KY. Scary as shiat.
 
2012-07-06 11:18:11 AM
So they want to build an ark, but they can't convince anyone of how important it is or get enough help in building it?

The story seems familiar somehow but I can't quite place it.
 
2012-07-06 11:18:28 AM

Jument: Last fiscal year, 280,000 people visited, compared to 404,000 the first year it opened in 2007.

That shocks me. Hundreds of thousands of idiots, and that's only the ones who were motivated enough to travel to KY. Scary as shiat.


To be honest, most of them were already nearby.
 
2012-07-06 11:19:06 AM
well to be fair they ARE trying to buld a "full-sized" replica of Noah's Ark, and coming up with enough money to build a boat capable of holding 2 specimens each of the roughly 8.7 million species on earth, plus feed for 40 days for all of the above, to say nothing of waste prcoessing facilties? Well that's a pretty expensive proposition.

Still let's not discourage them, maybe we can figure out a way to strap rocket engines on it and point it towards Alpha Centuari when they are done
 
2012-07-06 11:22:53 AM

Thorak: So they want to build an ark, but they can't convince anyone of how important it is or get enough help in building it?

The story seems familiar somehow but I can't quite place it.


snerk
 
2012-07-06 11:23:35 AM
I guess i won't be opening that unicorn petting zoo across to road then.
 
2012-07-06 11:23:46 AM

BurnShrike: "Fundraising is really tough," Zovath said, blaming the recession. "It's not moving so fast as we hoped."

But I thought it was easy to part fools with their money. Or is that the problem, someone else got there first?


many, if not most, of the people who believe in this "idea" do not have a lot of money.
 
2012-07-06 11:24:54 AM

Magorn: well to be fair they ARE trying to buld a "full-sized" replica of Noah's Ark, and coming up with enough money to build a boat capable of holding 2 specimens each of the roughly 8.7 million species on earth, plus feed for 40 days for all of the above, to say nothing of waste prcoessing facilties? Well that's a pretty expensive proposition.

Still let's not discourage them, maybe we can figure out a way to strap rocket engines on it and point it towards Alpha Centuari when they are done



Here's a great breakdown with real BIBLICAL FACTS:

Although there are about 668 names of dinosaurs, there are perhaps only 55 different "kinds" of dinosaurs. Furthermore, not all dinosaurs were huge like the brachiosaurus, and even those dinosaurs on the Ark were probably "teenagers" or young adults.

Creationist researcher John Woodmorappe has calculated that Noah had on board with him representatives from about 8,000 animal genera (including some now-extinct animals), or around 16,000 individual animals as a maximum number. When you realize that horses, zebras, and donkeys are probably descended from the horse-like "kind," Noah did not have to carry two sets of each such animal. Also, dogs, wolves, and coyotes are probably from a single canine "kind," so hundreds of different dogs were not needed.

According to Genesis 6:15 , the Ark measured 300 x 50 x 30 cubits, which is about 510 x 85 x 51 feet, with a volume of about 2.21 million cubic feet. Researchers have shown that this is the equivalent volume of over 500 semitrailers of space. 1

Without getting into all the math, the 16,000-plus animals would have occupied much less than half the space in the Ark (even allowing them some moving-around space).


See. it's quite easy.
 
2012-07-06 11:25:12 AM

Magorn: well to be fair they ARE trying to buld a "full-sized" replica of Noah's Ark, and coming up with enough money to build a boat capable of holding 2 specimens each of the roughly 8.7 million species on earth, plus feed for 40 days for all of the above, to say nothing of waste prcoessing facilties? Well that's a pretty expensive proposition.

Still let's not discourage them, maybe we can figure out a way to strap rocket engines on it and point it towards Alpha Centuari when they are done


By their logic if they launch at night the boat won't burn.
 
2012-07-06 11:26:02 AM

Jument: Last fiscal year, 280,000 people visited, compared to 404,000 the first year it opened in 2007.

That shocks me. Hundreds of thousands of idiots, and that's only the ones who were motivated enough to travel to KY. Scary as shiat.


I've had some friends stop by just to gawk at it.
 
2012-07-06 11:26:25 AM
The visitor logs of this place would be a great starting point for people we want to put on B Ark along with the telephone sanitizers and account executives, hairdressers, tired TV producers, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, public relations executives, management consultants and probably lawyers.
 
2012-07-06 11:26:53 AM

netizencain: Creationist researcher John Woodmorappe has calculated that Noah had on board with him representatives from about 8,000 animal genera (including some now-extinct animals), or around 16,000 individual animals as a maximum number. When you realize that horses, zebras, and donkeys are probably descended from the horse-like "kind," Noah did not have to carry two sets of each such animal. Also, dogs, wolves, and coyotes are probably from a single canine "kind," so hundreds of different dogs were not needed.


Waiiiit a minute. Are they saying that horses zebras and donkeys evolved from a common ancestor that was on the ark?
 
2012-07-06 11:28:24 AM
How is this not business fraud?
 
2012-07-06 11:28:39 AM
 
2012-07-06 11:29:42 AM

Jument: Last fiscal year, 280,000 people visited, compared to 404,000 the first year it opened in 2007.

That shocks me. Hundreds of thousands of idiots, and that's only the ones who were motivated enough to travel to KY. Scary as shiat.


Well, they're not all idiots. When I was at Xavier for undergrad (and at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio, for two-year terminal masters, before going on for a full PhD elsewhere), a group of fellow physics majors wanted to go, just to take in the sheer stupidity. It was, in their mind, like having a slow-motion train wreck within driving distance!

I didn't go myself, admittedly. (Willful ignorance is one of the few things that really works me up into a frothy anger. Ignorance is fine. Wilful ignorance, just.. why would you DO that?!)

/CSB
 
2012-07-06 11:30:01 AM
I hate the way it sounds, but seriously, Thank God they're running into funding problems. That thing is an embarrassment. The less of it that exists the better.
 
2012-07-06 11:31:27 AM

BurnShrike: netizencain: Creationist researcher John Woodmorappe has calculated that Noah had on board with him representatives from about 8,000 animal genera (including some now-extinct animals), or around 16,000 individual animals as a maximum number. When you realize that horses, zebras, and donkeys are probably descended from the horse-like "kind," Noah did not have to carry two sets of each such animal. Also, dogs, wolves, and coyotes are probably from a single canine "kind," so hundreds of different dogs were not needed.

Waiiiit a minute. Are they saying that horses zebras and donkeys evolved from a common ancestor that was on the ark?


Yes and that some animals ended up thousands of miles away from each other on islands all to themselves by pure luck I guess or God carried them there.
 
2012-07-06 11:32:13 AM

netizencain: When you realize that horses, zebras, and donkeys are probably descended from the horse-like "kind," Noah did not have to carry two sets of each such animal. Also, dogs, wolves, and coyotes are probably from a single canine "kind," so hundreds of different dogs were not needed.


So he's saying that we have all these different animals now because of some sort of long term change that maybe favors some mutations over others. Dammit, the term for it is on the tip of my tailbone.
 
2012-07-06 11:32:19 AM
Pray.
 
2012-07-06 11:32:43 AM
I laughed my way through most of the article, but the last lines gave me a sad:

Her mother jerked her head around and walked up behind the girl. "You know what, honey? Those are just other animals that are designed to fly," she said, pointing at the exhibit's description.

"Oh," the little girl said, embarrassed she'd gotten it wrong.


Poor kid is probably doomed.
 
2012-07-06 11:34:37 AM
Somebody needs to question them about the Dodo Bird. And how Noah was able to drop off this flightless bird in the Indian ocean without the other creatures on the ark eating it.
 
2012-07-06 11:36:15 AM

Magorn: Still let's not discourage them, maybe we can figure out a way to strap rocket engines on it and point it towards Alpha Centuari when they are done


But that might ensure that Sister Miriam Godwinson's faction may have the edge when we get there!

/"I have developed Laser Troopers! Give me your research on Chaos Weaponry, or I will be forced to crush you!"
//"fark OFF MIRIAM!"
 
2012-07-06 11:36:34 AM
FTA: "Fundraising is really tough," Zovath said, blaming the recession. "It's not moving so fast as we hoped."

They could just apply for an NSF grant.
 
2012-07-06 11:36:36 AM

neversubmit: How is this not business fraud?


Because Jesus, that's why.

Seriously, no prosecutor or police official who wants to keep their job in Kentucky is going to prosecute this.
 
2012-07-06 11:36:44 AM
When I visited in June, a girl who looked about 10 years old rushed up to an exhibit that showed a giant hummingbird. Next to it, in shadow, were three other creatures-a pterodactyl, a bat and a small finch. "Look, this is evolution!" she said, pointing at the four creatures.

Her mother jerked her head around and walked up behind the girl. "You know what, honey? Those are just other animals that are designed to fly," she said, pointing at the exhibit's description.

"Oh," the little girl said, embarrassed she'd gotten it wrong.


Child abuse.
 
2012-07-06 11:37:01 AM

neversubmit: How is this not business fraud?


how is it?
 
2012-07-06 11:37:40 AM

netizencain: According to Genesis 6:15 , the Ark measured 300 x 50 x 30 cubits, which is about 510 x 85 x 51 feet, with a volume of about 2.21 million cubic feet. Researchers have shown that this is the equivalent volume of over 500 semitrailers of space. 1


I don't know why, but I love the "Researchers have shown"

"Researchers have shown that (20/12)^3 x 300 x 50 x 30 / (52 x 8 x 8.5) = 589".

Wow, where's my grant?
 
2012-07-06 11:38:52 AM

netizencain: Magorn: well to be fair they ARE trying to buld a "full-sized" replica of Noah's Ark, and coming up with enough money to build a boat capable of holding 2 specimens each of the roughly 8.7 million species on earth, plus feed for 40 days for all of the above, to say nothing of waste prcoessing facilties? Well that's a pretty expensive proposition.

Still let's not discourage them, maybe we can figure out a way to strap rocket engines on it and point it towards Alpha Centuari when they are done


Here's a great breakdown with real BIBLICAL FACTS:

Although there are about 668 names of dinosaurs, there are perhaps only 55 different "kinds" of dinosaurs. Furthermore, not all dinosaurs were huge like the brachiosaurus, and even those dinosaurs on the Ark were probably "teenagers" or young adults.

Creationist researcher John Woodmorappe has calculated that Noah had on board with him representatives from about 8,000 animal genera (including some now-extinct animals), or around 16,000 individual animals as a maximum number. When you realize that horses, zebras, and donkeys are probably descended from the horse-like "kind," Noah did not have to carry two sets of each such animal. Also, dogs, wolves, and coyotes are probably from a single canine "kind," so hundreds of different dogs were not needed.

According to Genesis 6:15 , the Ark measured 300 x 50 x 30 cubits, which is about 510 x 85 x 51 feet, with a volume of about 2.21 million cubic feet. Researchers have shown that this is the equivalent volume of over 500 semitrailers of space. 1

Without getting into all the math, the 16,000-plus animals would have occupied much less than half the space in the Ark (even allowing them some moving-around space).

See. it's quite easy.


And what sort of biological process explains that, hmmmm....?
 
2012-07-06 11:39:27 AM
Subby. You dangled.
 
2012-07-06 11:41:13 AM
He added: "We have a message we want people to see, and the only way they'll see it is if they come to the museum."

Really? Creationists have made up the majority of people in the country and world since forever. So people have been getting your message loud and clear even without your existence.
 
2012-07-06 11:42:20 AM

jake_lex: neversubmit: How is this not business fraud?

Because Jesus, that's why.

Seriously, no prosecutor or police official who wants to keep their job in Kentucky is going to prosecute this.


Okay then.

chuckufarlie: neversubmit: How is this not business fraud?

how is it?


I am the one asking questions here. You wanta questions make your own post. :)
 
2012-07-06 11:44:13 AM

006deluxe: netizencain: Magorn: well to be fair they ARE trying to buld a "full-sized" replica of Noah's Ark, and coming up with enough money to build a boat capable of holding 2 specimens each of the roughly 8.7 million species on earth, plus feed for 40 days for all of the above, to say nothing of waste prcoessing facilties? Well that's a pretty expensive proposition.

Still let's not discourage them, maybe we can figure out a way to strap rocket engines on it and point it towards Alpha Centuari when they are done


Here's a great breakdown with real BIBLICAL FACTS:

Although there are about 668 names of dinosaurs, there are perhaps only 55 different "kinds" of dinosaurs. Furthermore, not all dinosaurs were huge like the brachiosaurus, and even those dinosaurs on the Ark were probably "teenagers" or young adults.

Creationist researcher John Woodmorappe has calculated that Noah had on board with him representatives from about 8,000 animal genera (including some now-extinct animals), or around 16,000 individual animals as a maximum number. When you realize that horses, zebras, and donkeys are probably descended from the horse-like "kind," Noah did not have to carry two sets of each such animal. Also, dogs, wolves, and coyotes are probably from a single canine "kind," so hundreds of different dogs were not needed.

According to Genesis 6:15 , the Ark measured 300 x 50 x 30 cubits, which is about 510 x 85 x 51 feet, with a volume of about 2.21 million cubic feet. Researchers have shown that this is the equivalent volume of over 500 semitrailers of space. 1

Without getting into all the math, the 16,000-plus animals would have occupied much less than half the space in the Ark (even allowing them some moving-around space).

See. it's quite easy.

And what sort of biological process explains that, hmmmm....?


That's the funniest part of YEC to me: for it to be real, evolution not only needs to happen, but it needs to happen on a scale so great that within an average human lifespan, entire taxonomic classifications would be rendered obsolete to make way for the millions of countless new species that emerge from extant kinds. Creationists disbelieve in evolution, but believe in super-evolution.
 
2012-07-06 11:44:20 AM

Franco: Somebody needs to question them about the Dodo Bird. And how Noah was able to drop off this flightless bird in the Indian ocean without the other creatures on the ark eating it.


or the kangaroo, koala, platypus, tasmanian devil and all the other 'kinds' of animals that originated only in Australia, New Zealand.
 
2012-07-06 11:45:28 AM
 
2012-07-06 11:48:23 AM
two only of every species. say hello to fatal recessive genes..
 
2012-07-06 11:50:04 AM
A museum for the stupid and gullible?

Approves

www.museumoffamilyhistory.com
 
2012-07-06 11:51:00 AM
What these idiots are describing when they talk about "kinds" of animals is Baraminology. If you think what they are describing is evolution, then you just got trolled.
 
2012-07-06 11:51:29 AM

Jument: Last fiscal year, 280,000 people visited, compared to 404,000 the first year it opened in 2007..


Once you've gone once, there's no reason to go back. A real science museum can present new discoveries and theories, illustrate new concepts, etc., in their exhibits. The Creation Museum only teaches one lesson and its "science" was set in stone thousands of years ago. What can they possibly offer to repeat customers? A new dinosaur in the Adam and Eve diorama?
 
2012-07-06 11:53:22 AM

GoodyearPimp: Yeh, but everyone knows the UN un-nazi'd the world and took Charlie Chaplin from power.


I like money. We should hang out.
 
2012-07-06 11:55:26 AM

Magorn: well to be fair they ARE trying to buld a "full-sized" replica of Noah's Ark, and coming up with enough money to build a boat capable of holding 2 specimens each of the roughly 8.7 million species on earth


You don't need to have 2 of every species. You get 2 of every 'kind' and let evolution take it's course. It's just not that hard to understand.
 
2012-07-06 11:55:43 AM

Thorak: So they want to build an ark, but they can't convince anyone of how important it is or get enough help in building it?

The story seems familiar somehow but I can't quite place it.


What's a cubit?
 
2012-07-06 11:56:11 AM
Creation Museum runs into funding troubles. If only there were a group of people who believed in donating their money to an omnipotent being they could affiliate themselves with

You mean taxpayers subby? Because that's who funds this shiat in Kentucky. No, really, look it up.
 
2012-07-06 11:58:23 AM

netizencain: Magorn: well to be fair they ARE trying to buld a "full-sized" replica of Noah's Ark, and coming up with enough money to build a boat capable of holding 2 specimens each of the roughly 8.7 million species on earth, plus feed for 40 days for all of the above, to say nothing of waste prcoessing facilties? Well that's a pretty expensive proposition.

Still let's not discourage them, maybe we can figure out a way to strap rocket engines on it and point it towards Alpha Centuari when they are done


Here's a great breakdown with real BIBLICAL FACTS:

Although there are about 668 names of dinosaurs, there are perhaps only 55 different "kinds" of dinosaurs. Furthermore, not all dinosaurs were huge like the brachiosaurus, and even those dinosaurs on the Ark were probably "teenagers" or young adults.

Creationist researcher John Woodmorappe has calculated that Noah had on board with him representatives from about 8,000 animal genera (including some now-extinct animals), or around 16,000 individual animals as a maximum number. When you realize that horses, zebras, and donkeys are probably descended from the horse-like "kind," Noah did not have to carry two sets of each such animal. Also, dogs, wolves, and coyotes are probably from a single canine "kind," so hundreds of different dogs were not needed.

According to Genesis 6:15 , the Ark measured 300 x 50 x 30 cubits, which is about 510 x 85 x 51 feet, with a volume of about 2.21 million cubic feet. Researchers have shown that this is the equivalent volume of over 500 semitrailers of space. 1

Without getting into all the math, the 16,000-plus animals would have occupied much less than half the space in the Ark (even allowing them some moving-around space).

See. it's quite easy.


I'm curious as to what your researcher friend, John Woodmorappe, would call the process you refer to where zebras and horses descend from a common ancestor?
 
2012-07-06 11:59:43 AM

Skraeling: two only of every species. say hello to fatal recessive genes..


Don't be an idiot. Everyone knows that microevolution can by its nature only involve loss of existing features/genes/etc, so those bad ones simply get lost over time.
 
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