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2012-07-06 11:16:25 AM
I had such high hopes for this movie....but it went down the same route as 'Sum of all fears'. they should have stuck with the original plan and left China as the 'big bad guys'. THAT would have been believable to me. North Korea!? really!? so stupid...
 
2012-07-06 11:23:26 AM
Wolverines!!!
 
2012-07-06 11:25:42 AM
Isn't "Ishtar" up for a remake?
 
2012-07-06 11:28:02 AM
Trollish headlines are trollish today
 
2012-07-06 11:29:50 AM
AVEEEEEEEEEEEENGE MEEEEEEEE!
 
2012-07-06 11:31:23 AM

Mugato: Trollish headlines are trollish today


They say America doesn't make anything any more ...

But you still lead the world in manufactured outrage.

USA! USA! USA!
 
2012-07-06 11:33:29 AM

Mugato: Trollish headlines are trollish today


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It's concentrated troll stench.
 
2012-07-06 11:36:49 AM

Weaver95: I had such high hopes for this movie....but it went down the same route as 'Sum of all fears'. they should have stuck with the original plan and left China as the 'big bad guys'. THAT would have been believable to me. North Korea!? really!? so stupid...


Yeah, but they bowed to economic pressure (it wouldn't get released in the PRC if the bad guys were PLA soldiers), and *THAT'S* why it ended up getting set for release this year: They had to go back and digitally change the insignia from PLA to KPA.

So blame the socialist-in-name-only Chinese leadership for that one.
 
2012-07-06 11:39:13 AM

dittybopper: Weaver95: I had such high hopes for this movie....but it went down the same route as 'Sum of all fears'. they should have stuck with the original plan and left China as the 'big bad guys'. THAT would have been believable to me. North Korea!? really!? so stupid...

Yeah, but they bowed to economic pressure (it wouldn't get released in the PRC if the bad guys were PLA soldiers), and *THAT'S* why it ended up getting set for release this year: They had to go back and digitally change the insignia from PLA to KPA.

So blame the socialist-in-name-only Chinese leadership for that one.


Exact same thing that happened to Homefront.
 
2012-07-06 11:39:16 AM

dittybopper: socialist-in-name-only


Damn SINOs... Waaaaaaaaaaaait a minute!
 
2012-07-06 11:40:19 AM
Oh - calm down Democrats - you'd be all over The Last Temptation of Obama.
 
2012-07-06 11:40:30 AM

Weaver95: I had such high hopes for this movie....but it went down the same route as 'Sum of all fears'. they should have stuck with the original plan and left China as the 'big bad guys'. THAT would have been believable to me. North Korea!? really!? so stupid...


We have to do what China says, so don't expect them to look bad in anything
 
2012-07-06 11:42:05 AM

Bleyo: dittybopper: socialist-in-name-only

Damn SINOs... Waaaaaaaaaaaait a minute!


Heh. I didn't even think of that, but *WOW*, that fits, don't it?
 
2012-07-06 11:46:19 AM
The only way this film would have really worked, had been if for the first half ofthe film the geographic location this was taking place, and the precise identity of the invaders had been completely ambigious, and in the second half we slowly realize the plucky Wolverines are actually Iraqi insurgents and the invaders are the US and coalition forces.

Because the US being invaded by a foreign power scenario is too ridiculous for meaningful supension of disbelief these days, but the Red Dawn scenario actually DID happen to the Iraqis. They woke up one morning to find thier country invaded and under foreign control. Whether that invasion was right or wrong is kinda beside the point.
 
2012-07-06 11:46:23 AM
"'Red Dawn' remake review is in: Oh great, a movie about socialists taking over America ...."

So this is a non-fiction, documentary type?
 
2012-07-06 11:48:55 AM

The Bestest: Exact same thing that happened to Homefront.


I was hoping for a "Freedom Fighters" pseudo-sequel. I was kinda disappointed by what they gave us.

/Freedom Fighters had one of the best storylines
//also some of the best gameplay
 
2012-07-06 11:49:37 AM
I see that Drew is running another click drive.
 
2012-07-06 11:53:19 AM

Twoecho: "'Red Dawn' remake review is in: Oh great, a movie about socialists taking over America ...."

So this is a non-fiction, documentary type?


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2012-07-06 11:56:08 AM

Weaver95: I had such high hopes for this movie....but it went down the same route as 'Sum of all fears'. they should have stuck with the original plan and left China as the 'big bad guys'. THAT would have been believable to me. North Korea!? really!? so stupid...


Actually, the original still holds up well today. They could have just left it alone.
 
2012-07-06 12:00:59 PM
They filmed this all in Downtown Detroit, when the film incentives were still a big givaway in Michigan. Was interesting for a few weeks, until all the movie shoots had to reroute traffic and I kept getting lost. 'Bout time they released it, it was filmed in '09.
 
2012-07-06 12:03:05 PM

Magorn: The only way this film would have really worked, had been if for the first half ofthe film the geographic location this was taking place, and the precise identity of the invaders had been completely ambigious, and in the second half we slowly realize the plucky Wolverines are actually Iraqi insurgents and the invaders are the US and coalition forces.

Because the US being invaded by a foreign power scenario is too ridiculous for meaningful supension of disbelief these days, but the Red Dawn scenario actually DID happen to the Iraqis. They woke up one morning to find thier country invaded and under foreign control. Whether that invasion was right or wrong is kinda beside the point.


There would be an Outrage Apocalypse if that movie was ever made by Hollywood.
 
2012-07-06 12:05:30 PM
If I wanted to walk through a theater covered in old white man spooge, I'll just go to the local porn shop, thanks.
 
2012-07-06 12:14:01 PM

Weaver95: I had such high hopes for this movie....but it went down the same route as 'Sum of all fears'. they should have stuck with the original plan and left China as the 'big bad guys'. THAT would have been believable to me. North Korea!? really!? so stupid...


I think the whole concept is stupid but China goes to our movies. North Korea doesn't.
 
2012-07-06 12:20:07 PM
Nothing to fear Comrade Subby, the movie will be released after the election of Comrade and El Presidente Obama.
 
2012-07-06 12:25:18 PM

Weaver95: I had such high hopes for this movie....but it went down the same route as 'Sum of all fears'. they should have stuck with the original plan and left China as the 'big bad guys'. THAT would have been believable to me. North Korea!? really!? so stupid...


Back when the original was out during the cold war if the USSR would have complained about it we would have laughed in their faces.
 
2012-07-06 12:27:30 PM

groppet: Weaver95: I had such high hopes for this movie....but it went down the same route as 'Sum of all fears'. they should have stuck with the original plan and left China as the 'big bad guys'. THAT would have been believable to me. North Korea!? really!? so stupid...

Back when the original was out during the cold war if the USSR would have complained about it we would have laughed in their faces.


We didn't owe Russia about half our GDP though. Look for a lot more Chinese boosterism in movies from now on. Ever wonder why in that awful 2012 movie the Civilization-saving arks were all built in China and one character even makes a point fo saying "Only the Chinese" could have built the arks so quickly and well?
 
2012-07-06 12:28:27 PM

groppet: Weaver95: I had such high hopes for this movie....but it went down the same route as 'Sum of all fears'. they should have stuck with the original plan and left China as the 'big bad guys'. THAT would have been believable to me. North Korea!? really!? so stupid...

Back when the original was out during the cold war if the USSR would have complained about it we would have laughed in their faces.


Yeah, but the USSR wasn't making your Nikes back then.
 
2012-07-06 12:30:34 PM

Decillion: Magorn: The only way this film would have really worked, had been if for the first half ofthe film the geographic location this was taking place, and the precise identity of the invaders had been completely ambigious, and in the second half we slowly realize the plucky Wolverines are actually Iraqi insurgents and the invaders are the US and coalition forces.

Because the US being invaded by a foreign power scenario is too ridiculous for meaningful supension of disbelief these days, but the Red Dawn scenario actually DID happen to the Iraqis. They woke up one morning to find thier country invaded and under foreign control. Whether that invasion was right or wrong is kinda beside the point.

There would be an Outrage Apocalypse if that movie was ever made by Hollywood.


I used to want to see that version of the movie mad Just because I knew it would cause brietbart and the rest of the Briestbart staff to come down with fatal cases of sputtering outrage. But for those who didn't have a knee-jerk reaction to it, it might provoke some thought about how the US is seen in the world VS how it sees itself, and just how "cool" all those war movies with the scrappy guerillas planting IEDS everywhere really are.
 
2012-07-06 12:34:13 PM

Magorn:

We didn't owe Russia about half our GDP though. Look for a lot more Chinese boosterism in movies from now on. Ever wonder why in that awful 2012 movie the Civilization-saving arks were all built in China and one character even makes a point fo saying "Only the Chinese" could have built the arks so quickly and well?


Oh yeah they did say that, I was checked out at that point so I couldn't even give a fark. But yeah, that's happening all time now in entertainment. "He's asian and rich and made all his money buying up american debt" i've seen that line a couple different ways on many shows now.
 
2012-07-06 12:37:26 PM

Magorn:
I used to want to see that version of the movie mad Just because I knew it would cause brietbart and the rest of the Briestbart staff to come down with fatal cases of sputtering outrage. But for those who didn't have a knee-jerk reaction to it, it might provoke some thought about how the US is seen in the world VS how it sees itself, and just how "cool" all those war movies with the scrappy guerillas planting IEDS everywhere really are.


ahem.. they made that and it was really good. it was called Avatar.

runaway!....
 
2012-07-06 12:39:44 PM
"Jed Eckert (Chris Hemsworth) is a recently retuned Iraq vet. He still plays leader and teaches the kids the ways of guerilla warfare...

And THAT ruins the movie right there, not Chris Hemsworth, he seems pretty cool, played an awesome Thor, and I'd like to see where he goes with this, but the whole 'Returned Iraq Vet' thing. As the reviewer says, it's not cool to see an adult in this role, but it's more than just a little bummer', it ruins the story itself. It was supposed to be about normal kids making a stand when everything went to shiat, not supposed to be about some trained adult.

That's OK, I didn't have any hopes for this movie anyway, it worked in the era it came out in, nothing else. Either it comes across as too cheesy, or they overdo the effects and Michael Bay the Hell out of it. Or they make it political. Before, it was about the whole Cold War thing, and there wasn't any internal US politics, it was just the US vs. the bad guys at the time, the 'commies'. Now, there would be people inserting Obama and the Democrats into anything, maybe the movie will even have a Senator or Congessperson who has 'gone over'.

Fark this remaking/rebooting/sequelizing absolutely everything bullshiat. There are good original ideas out there, but those people don't suck the right cocks in Hollywood. It's why I gave up on getting my film degree. Even outside of California, it's not 'what' you know, it's 'who' you know.
 
2012-07-06 12:43:47 PM

Weaver95: I had such high hopes for this movie....but it went down the same route as 'Sum of all fears'. they should have stuck with the original plan and left China as the 'big bad guys'. THAT would have been believable to me. North Korea!? really!? so stupid...


blogs.commercialappeal.com
 
2012-07-06 12:55:56 PM

thecpt: Magorn:
I used to want to see that version of the movie mad Just because I knew it would cause brietbart and the rest of the Briestbart staff to come down with fatal cases of sputtering outrage. But for those who didn't have a knee-jerk reaction to it, it might provoke some thought about how the US is seen in the world VS how it sees itself, and just how "cool" all those war movies with the scrappy guerillas planting IEDS everywhere really are.

ahem.. they made that and it was really good. it was called Avatar.

runaway!....


If Avatar hadn't been a sci-fi movie, the Breitbart mob would have been up in arms over it because (in their minds) the bad guys won.
 
2012-07-06 01:00:12 PM

anfrind: thecpt: Magorn:
I used to want to see that version of the movie mad Just because I knew it would cause brietbart and the rest of the Briestbart staff to come down with fatal cases of sputtering outrage. But for those who didn't have a knee-jerk reaction to it, it might provoke some thought about how the US is seen in the world VS how it sees itself, and just how "cool" all those war movies with the scrappy guerillas planting IEDS everywhere really are.

ahem.. they made that and it was really good. it was called Avatar.

runaway!....

If Avatar hadn't been a sci-fi movie, the Breitbart mob would have been up in arms over it because (in their minds) the bad guys won.


They WERE up in arms about that movie. Holy Jesus it seemed like half the right-wing blogosphere blew a gasket and denounced James Cameron as an evil communist because of it.
 
2012-07-06 01:17:50 PM
Just read the review linked to the blog site. Who the hell puts black text on a dark blue background? Had to highlight everything just so I could read it. And yeah, clearly written by a 17 year old.
 
2012-07-06 01:18:06 PM

Magorn: The only way this film would have really worked, had been if for the first half ofthe film the geographic location this was taking place, and the precise identity of the invaders had been completely ambigious, and in the second half we slowly realize the plucky Wolverines are actually Iraqi insurgents and the invaders are the US and coalition forces.

Because the US being invaded by a foreign power scenario is too ridiculous for meaningful supension of disbelief these days, but the Red Dawn scenario actually DID happen to the Iraqis. They woke up one morning to find thier country invaded and under foreign control. Whether that invasion was right or wrong is kinda beside the point.


Actually, the difference is that the Iraqis saw it coming. The whole premise of the original movie is that the invaders snuck in. The US did the equivalent to knocking on your door with a Caterpillar D9. If the US invading force had snuck in under radar coverage and invaded from the inside out, you'd have a parallel, but otherwise, it doesn't work.
 
2012-07-06 01:24:24 PM

Magorn: anfrind: thecpt: Magorn:
I used to want to see that version of the movie mad Just because I knew it would cause brietbart and the rest of the Briestbart staff to come down with fatal cases of sputtering outrage. But for those who didn't have a knee-jerk reaction to it, it might provoke some thought about how the US is seen in the world VS how it sees itself, and just how "cool" all those war movies with the scrappy guerillas planting IEDS everywhere really are.

ahem.. they made that and it was really good. it was called Avatar.

runaway!....

If Avatar hadn't been a sci-fi movie, the Breitbart mob would have been up in arms over it because (in their minds) the bad guys won.

They WERE up in arms about that movie. Holy Jesus it seemed like half the right-wing blogosphere blew a gasket and denounced James Cameron as an evil communist because of it.


Everybody biatched about it. A different protest each week.

There was the:

'It's an environmentalist agenda movie!' Protest

And the:

'It's anti-business, pro socialist!' Protest

Then the:

'They're anti-Christian because they worship trees!' Protest

Then the:

NAACP 'They don't have enough Black folks in this movie!' Protest

Then the:

'Hey all of the natives look too "ethnic", you must be saying that (insert ethnic group here) are really just dumb, backwoods tree worshipers!' Protest

Finally there was the:

LGBT "Hey! There aren't any Gay folks in this movie!' Protest

I'm not even sure I got them all. Stupid, totally stupid. It was a movie, and it was a pretty good one. None of these were intentional agendas or omissions, all these groups just wanted something to biatch about.
 
2012-07-06 01:31:11 PM

karnal: Oh - calm down Democrats - you'd be all over The Last Temptation of Obama.


www.trilobite.org
Whatever you say, Beavis.
 
2012-07-06 01:31:27 PM

Mikey1969: "Jed Eckert (Chris Hemsworth) is a recently retuned Iraq vet. He still plays leader and teaches the kids the ways of guerilla warfare...

And THAT ruins the movie right there, not Chris Hemsworth, he seems pretty cool, played an awesome Thor, and I'd like to see where he goes with this, but the whole 'Returned Iraq Vet' thing. As the reviewer says, it's not cool to see an adult in this role, but it's more than just a little bummer', it ruins the story itself. It was supposed to be about normal kids making a stand when everything went to shiat, not supposed to be about some trained adult.

That's OK, I didn't have any hopes for this movie anyway, it worked in the era it came out in, nothing else. Either it comes across as too cheesy, or they overdo the effects and Michael Bay the Hell out of it. Or they make it political. Before, it was about the whole Cold War thing, and there wasn't any internal US politics, it was just the US vs. the bad guys at the time, the 'commies'. Now, there would be people inserting Obama and the Democrats into anything, maybe the movie will even have a Senator or Congessperson who has 'gone over'.

Fark this remaking/rebooting/sequelizing absolutely everything bullshiat. There are good original ideas out there, but those people don't suck the right cocks in Hollywood. It's why I gave up on getting my film degree. Even outside of California, it's not 'what' you know, it's 'who' you know.



The opening paragraph about how the Green party takes control in western Europe and kicks out all the US forces (and missiles) and then NATO dissolves took direct shots at the lefties of the day.

Even among just the kids themselves they had the mayors son rat them out and swallowed the tracking device so the Spetsnaz could find them.


The old "Red Dawn" has a layer deeper than AMERICA FARK YEAH. There are more good guys played by the Soviets and Cubans than the US kids.
 
2012-07-06 01:36:37 PM

Weaver95: I had such high hopes for this movie....but it went down the same route as 'Sum of all fears'. they should have stuck with the original plan and left China as the 'big bad guys'. THAT would have been believable to me. North Korea!? really!? so stupid...


I must be the only one who didn't mind the villain change in Sum Of All Fears. It was a good example of what any small, well-funded group of asshats could do; instead of just highlighting more Islamic extremism.

Red Dawn simply didn't need to be remade at all. Kind of like Total Recall - still works today in its original form. If they're so desperate to remake 80s films just because they can, why not remake something that really needs it? Yes, Return of the Jedi, I'm looking at you.

/still don't get it... baby Wookies would have sold just as many plush toys as Ewoks.
 
2012-07-06 01:40:57 PM
www.maximumeyewear.com

North Koreans! Fark me. I mean, say what you like about the USSR, Dude, at least it was a global superpower.
 
2012-07-06 01:45:13 PM

clkeagle: Red Dawn simply didn't need to be remade at all. Kind of like Total Recall - still works today in its original form. If they're so desperate to remake 80s films just because they can, why not remake something that really needs it? Yes, Return of the Jedi, I'm looking at you.


The Total Recall remake actually doesn't look half bad. Not saying it needed to be remade, but at the same time, I'm not a fan of the cartoony feel to a Philip K Dick story. Return of the Jedi? Really? That was a great film. A little more touchy-feely than Empire, but still not in need of a remake, especially when you see what Lucas has ALREADY done to it, can you imagine how bad he'd fark it up if he started mucking about down deep in its guts? Get over the Ewoks already, they still actually served a poly point amd were nowhere near as ridiculously stupid and unnecessary as Jar Jar Binks.
 
2012-07-06 01:46:23 PM
I didn't think it was possible, but this may suck even more than the craptastic original.
 
2012-07-06 01:47:46 PM

clkeagle: /still don't get it... baby Wookies would have sold just as many plush toys as Ewoks.


This. I don't understand what the issue was with Chewie being in the previous movies, either. Just establish that he is the black sheep of his family because his people decided to be become a bunch of tree dwelling hippies that frown on technology. One day he stows away on an imperial freighter that is taking away local resources from his planet, and then uses his natural smarts to become an awesome pilot. Not every Wookie has to act the exact same way.
 
2012-07-06 01:59:44 PM
Remake this.

www.britishpictures.com

not obscure
 
2012-07-06 02:04:21 PM
Just stop it. The remakes suck and it's lazy money and we all know it. Stop patronizing these films. If people stop going to see needless remakes perhaps Hollywood will return to making original films with some artistic integrity.

It's up to you, people.
 
2012-07-06 02:09:36 PM
The North Korean angle sucks, but the original had some sort of Right-wing bogeyman axis of Nicaragua and Cuba invading. And what do you really expect from a reboot of Red Dawn? Gritty realism? Nuanced character studies? In-depth study of foreign affairs?

For any of that, you need Invasion USA.
 
2012-07-06 02:11:39 PM

KrispyKritter: Just stop it. The remakes suck and it's lazy money and we all know it. Stop patronizing these films. If people stop going to see needless remakes perhaps Hollywood will return to making original films with some artistic integrity.

It's up to you, people.


I'm entertained by them. I'm going to pay to watch them. Not every film has to be an artistic masterpiece, and those films certainly aren't (judge dredd, total recall, red dawn). And what era are you talking about that showed original films and when did it end? They're still doing that. It's just not going to be shoved down your throat like Transformers 3 advertisements.
 
2012-07-06 02:12:09 PM
(reads headline) Who, the Swedes?

I never saw the original, but the Fark consensus was that I shouldn't bother with it.
 
2012-07-06 02:18:55 PM
Who needs this movie subby? We're already living it.
 
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