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2012-07-06 11:59:08 AM
I'm just going to posit that Jon Snow is in fact Ned Stark's nephew via Lyanna ("Promise me") and Dany's Nephew as well.
 
2012-07-06 12:10:10 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: I'm just going to posit that Jon Snow is in fact Ned Stark's nephew via Lyanna ("Promise me") and Dany's Nephew as well.


I think everybody who's read the books has posited that at some point.
 
mhd
2012-07-06 12:14:23 PM
They included Jaqen-Arya, but not Tywin-Arya? You know nothing, Topless Robot.
 
2012-07-06 12:19:29 PM
Stannis Baratheon choking a biatch.
 
2012-07-06 12:23:25 PM
The boats exploding were some of the best effects I've ever seen on TV. Farking awesome.
 
2012-07-06 12:31:01 PM
The way they changed the Qhorin Halfhand/ Jon / Ygritte stuff from the book doesn't make sense (from the standpoint of why was it changed in that way), and robs it of a lot of tension
 
2012-07-06 12:32:48 PM

steve_lou: The way they changed the Qhorin Halfhand/ Jon / Ygritte stuff from the book doesn't make sense (from the standpoint of why was it changed in that way), and robs it of a lot of tension


To avoid the 2 or 3 weeks (or whatever it was) of Jon and Qhorin wandering around the wilderness and trying to evade capture.
 
2012-07-06 12:33:31 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: I'm just going to posit that Jon Snow is in fact Ned Stark's nephew via Lyanna ("Promise me") and Dany's Nephew as well.


We have all had this thought and also the thought that the Targaryens have a history of marrying family and that the series is A Song of Ice (Jon) and Fire (Dany) after all...
 
mhd
2012-07-06 12:36:53 PM
Also, more Ygritte/Jon time before the season ends. They generally moved a few parts from the third book in this season to give the actors more, well, acting opportunities.
 
2012-07-06 12:42:10 PM
Hodor hodor hodor.
 
2012-07-06 12:47:20 PM
Where was the part where a tied Ygritte defeated Jon Snow in single combat by rubbing her butt against his crotch? I liked it for its... um... strategic soundness.
 
2012-07-06 12:49:11 PM

mhd: They included Jaqen-Arya, but not Tywin-Arya? You know nothing, Topless Robot.


This. "Anyone can be killed."
 
2012-07-06 12:57:23 PM
Making Jon seem like an idiot and an actual turncloak isn't worth it. In the book, Jon spares Ygritte which gives her a reason to vouch for him, then you have the romantic tension which plays out in the next season. So that wad has been blown somewhat.

The fight against Qhorin makes more sense when you know the wildlings don't take prisoners. The Night's Watch desperately needs to know their plans and Commander Mormont's as well as Qhorin's instructions to Jon reflect this. Ghost helping in the fight being the only thing that actually makes Jon win makes the cloak-turning more believable.


As a separate issue, the identity of Robb Stark's love being changed is another pointless thing that makes him seem dumb.
 
2012-07-06 01:03:14 PM
Link

I'll just leave this here.

/NSFW
//Littlefinger dance party!
 
2012-07-06 01:04:23 PM
So does anyone wonder what would happen if the Others (White Walkers) made a fireproof Targaryen or a Dragon into a Wight/Zombie?

Since fire is pretty much the only thing that will kill these beings -you would have an indestructible White Walker slave.
 
2012-07-06 01:07:01 PM

Dog Welder: steve_lou: The way they changed the Qhorin Halfhand/ Jon / Ygritte stuff from the book doesn't make sense (from the standpoint of why was it changed in that way), and robs it of a lot of tension

To avoid the 2 or 3 weeks (or whatever it was) of Jon and Qhorin wandering around the wilderness and trying to evade capture.


I haven't read the books, and maybe I missed a line or scene somewhere dealing with Jon & Qhorin, but it seemed like Qhorin staged the fight and wasn't really mad at Jon. It seemed more like a play to save Jon. Qhorin sacrificing himself to keep Jon alive by having him win favor with the wild-lings.

Any farkers care to enlighten me if I am missing something?
 
2012-07-06 01:12:17 PM
 
2012-07-06 01:13:03 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: So does anyone wonder what would happen if the Others (White Walkers) made a fireproof Targaryen or a Dragon into a Wight/Zombie?

Since fire is pretty much the only thing that will kill these beings -you would have an indestructible White Walker slave.


There is another way to kill an Other.
 
2012-07-06 01:15:18 PM

Hyjamon: Dog Welder: steve_lou: The way they changed the Qhorin Halfhand/ Jon / Ygritte stuff from the book doesn't make sense (from the standpoint of why was it changed in that way), and robs it of a lot of tension

To avoid the 2 or 3 weeks (or whatever it was) of Jon and Qhorin wandering around the wilderness and trying to evade capture.

I haven't read the books, and maybe I missed a line or scene somewhere dealing with Jon & Qhorin, but it seemed like Qhorin staged the fight and wasn't really mad at Jon. It seemed more like a play to save Jon. Qhorin sacrificing himself to keep Jon alive by having him win favor with the wild-lings.

Any farkers care to enlighten me if I am missing something?


They left some stuff out. In the book Qhorin specifically orders Jon to do "whatever it takes" to become a wildling. He knows that means Jon will have to kill him to prove himself a turn-cloak.
 
2012-07-06 01:18:07 PM

Hyjamon: I haven't read the books, and maybe I missed a line or scene somewhere dealing with Jon & Qhorin, but it seemed like Qhorin staged the fight and wasn't really mad at Jon. It seemed more like a play to save Jon. Qhorin sacrificing himself to keep Jon alive by having him win favor with the wild-lings.

Any farkers care to enlighten me if I am missing something?


In the tv series, he does say to Jon only one of them can survive and to follow his lead. They did the first set up with the mock fight and later the real deal.
 
mhd
2012-07-06 01:20:49 PM

steve_lou: As a separate issue, the identity of Robb Stark's love being changed is another pointless thing that makes him seem dumb.


So, the original love interest didn't make him seem dumb?

Robb Stark basically is the combination of two families with very limited brainpower resources.
 
2012-07-06 01:22:22 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Since fire is pretty much the only thing that will kill these beings


Sam the Slayer would beg to differ.
 
2012-07-06 01:28:07 PM
Yup, the entire episode of Blackwater was one of the most ambitious bits of tv I've ever seen. I had to remind myself I wasn't watching a movie.
 
2012-07-06 01:29:45 PM
A man has patrol duty!
 
2012-07-06 01:30:09 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: I'm just going to posit that Jon Snow is in fact Ned Stark's nephew via Lyanna ("Promise me") and Dany's Nephew as well.


OK, I haven't read the books. Who was Lyanna? Was that the sister who died and who the king loved? Also, does that make Jon Snow his son? How does this make him Dany's nephew?
 
2012-07-06 01:33:41 PM
Anyone read the Dunk and Egg stories? Know where I can get them online without having to buy other short stories in the Warrior book series?

Lizard Lions = Alligators/Crocodiles right?!?

Where else in the story does Sam's dad and brother appear or do they? He was a Tarly, right? I sometimes have to re-read stuff because I miss too many things. I thought they were maybe mentioned as being banner men for Stannis?

I used to hate Cersei and Joffrey but dear God, Roose Bolton and his bastard son are farking evil! They make the Mt. That Rides look like a nice guy in comparison!!! SHEESH!

My future story predictions:

-The Reed's father, the one guy besides Ned who was there at the Tower of Joy and is the only living survivor, will be the one to tell of Jon Snow's true parentage. Yes, Jon probably has the blood of the Dragon in him but for some strange reason doesn't have silver hair. But if Master Aemon had his eyesite he might have recognized Jon as being a Targaryen. Clever twist in the story Martin, very clever! In the book the Stark kids look like their mother, Catelyn, but Jon looked the most like Ned, which is one of the reasons she was so cold to Jon. Plus, it would Ned wouldn't father a bastard and he probably wouldn't want Robert Baratheon to know that a Targaryen still lived in the North and was Lyanna's kid.

-Rickon becomes king of Winterfell, there's no one male heir left, Bran is north of the wall where he'll remain and is believed dead, Jon took the Black and is a bastard, Rob is dead, Sansa will marry someone and become like Cersi, and Sansa will become a dark brotherhood assassin. I always feel sad for Rickon, his whole family abandons him and he is too young to have much of a memory of them. Hopefully, the Onion Knight finds him! And I love the Onion Knight, he's quite as clever as Tyrion but pretty damn close!
 
2012-07-06 01:36:51 PM

DansLaLuna: Because People in power are Stupid: I'm just going to posit that Jon Snow is in fact Ned Stark's nephew via Lyanna ("Promise me") and Dany's Nephew as well.

OK, I haven't read the books. Who was Lyanna? Was that the sister who died and who the king loved? Also, does that make Jon Snow his son? How does this make him Dany's nephew?


Just read this (contains spoilers for Books 1-3): John snow's parentage. The 3rd theory is the one you want to see.
 
2012-07-06 01:38:06 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: So does anyone wonder what would happen if the Others (White Walkers) made a fireproof Targaryen or a Dragon into a Wight/Zombie?

Since fire is pretty much the only thing that will kill these beings -you would have an indestructible White Walker slave.



For one thing Targaryens are not fireproof. The author of the books (George RR Martin) has made it very clear that what happened in the Season 1 finale was the result of an incredibly rare, possibly unique, convergence of magical forces. The TV show might be giving Dany a bit of natural heat resistance given previous scenes from Season 1, but the fact remains Targaryens are not fireproof by nature.

As for wights (not White Walkers/Others, which are actually a completely different species that possess the power to raise humans and animals as undead wights), while fire is certainly the easiest way to kill them, they still need a relatively intact muscle/skeletal system to actually move around. It's already been shown in the books that completely stripping the flesh off the bones will render a wight completely inert.
 
2012-07-06 01:39:00 PM

DansLaLuna: OK, I haven't read the books. Who was Lyanna? Was that the sister who died and who the king loved? Also, does that make Jon Snow his son? How does this make him Dany's nephew?


The Mad King's son, Rhaegar, a/k/a Dany and Viserys's brother, absconded to the south with Lyanna Stark. He left her there to go meet Robert's army, whose rose in the rebellion was largely motivated by the belief that Rhaegar had abducted Lyanna. Ned rolled up where Lyanna was curiously being guarded by members of the Kingsguard and ruined some shiat. She died in a "bed of blood" and made Ned promise something. That's what we know.

The theory is that Rhaegar wasn't all that bad a dude at all, that he and Lyanna were legitimately in love (or at least trying to fulfill an old prophecy that he'd become enamored with), and he'd knocked her up. She died in childbirth, and to protect the baby - Jon Snow - from Robert, Ned took one for the team and claimed Jon was his bastard. Because his mother was a Stark, Jon looks like a Stark.
 
2012-07-06 01:39:27 PM

Karma Chameleon: mhd: They included Jaqen-Arya, but not Tywin-Arya? You know nothing, Topless Robot.

This. "Anyone can be killed."


I actually clapped after this scene. Sitting in my living room clapping at my TV. I mean, seriously.

Rent Party: The boats exploding were some of the best effects I've ever seen on TV. Farking awesome.


Yes, so much yes. One of the times I happily forgot the version in my head from the book.
 
2012-07-06 01:40:04 PM

Hyjamon:
Any farkers care to enlighten me if I am missing something?


Commander Mormont tells Jon before he heads out to follow Qhorin's instructions implicitly. Finding out if the Mance Rayder has the Horn that can destroy the Wall is of tantamount importance. Later during the ranging Jon kills a couple wildling scouts and captures a red-head woman. Qhorin asks the red-head wildling what her people would do with captive Night's Watch and she says they would definitely kill them.

He tells Jon to go deal with her. Jon decides to let her go because he doesn't want to kill a woman. Qhorin says that he didn't actually say exactly to kill her, and knowing your men's heart was important for a leader.

Later it becomes apparent that the rest of the wildling band is on their trail. Stonesnake (the other ranger that accompanied Qhorin) is told to head for the Fist to warn the Night's Watch. Qhorin tells Jon that if they are captured he must do everything the wildlings say, to turn his cloak and join them so that he can discover their plans and warn the Night's Watch.

The wildlings find them eventually and they recognize Qhorin as a dangerous fighter. Jon says he wants to join them and turn his cloak. Ygritte vouches for Jon since he spared her life despite what Qhorin ordered him to do.

Rattleshirt tells him to kill his friend. They begin to fight and Jon is losing until Ghost attacks Qhorin giving Jon a chance to kill.

Saving Jon was important because only he could have believable turned his cloak in order to find out what Mance Rayder was planning.
 
2012-07-06 01:49:47 PM

kronicfeld: A man has patrol duty!


A farkette has said it before and will say it again: a man is smoking hot.
 
2012-07-06 01:53:03 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: kronicfeld: A man has patrol duty!

A farkette has said it before and will say it again: a man is smoking hot.


getfile0.posterous.com
 
2012-07-06 01:56:26 PM

mhd: So, the original love interest didn't make him seem dumb?


No. It's true that he broke his agreement with Lord Walder Frey, but the reasoning and the way he acted afterword was different.

In the book:
Fifteen year old Robb beds a noblewoman who helps comfort him after he is injured and learns his brothers are murdered by Theon, and in an attempt to 'do the honorable thing' he marries her. Jeyne Westerling's house wasn't as powerful as the Frey's, but it does help to unite more houses under Robb's banner and bring the North together.

When his mother confronts him about breaking his oath, he's ashamed. The Freys are mad but are placated when Cat gets her brother Edmure to agree to marry a Frey, and Robb will give an apology.

In short, a fifteen year old man makes a mistake in an attempt to be honorable.

In the TV show:
Eighteen(?) year old Robb falls for a commoner who isn't even from Westeros. When his mother confronts him he's a dick about it.
 
2012-07-06 01:57:27 PM
2) "Dracarys"

The House of the Undying was terrible. This was the only utter disappointment I had in the show thus far, because nothing was maintained. Not the carnage and vulgarity in the rooms. None of the curious rules. None of the prophecies. None of the strangeness of the structure itself. The reasons for her visiting were changed. This is a shame because Pyat is extremely well done in the series, and I do not mind the shift in story which will happen because the integrity can remain in future seasons.

Removed from the comparison to the books, the House was mediocre as well, primarily just a stone tower with a couple of obviously magical rooms.
 
2012-07-06 01:57:29 PM

kronicfeld: Because People in power are Stupid: Since fire is pretty much the only thing that will kill these beings

Sam the Slayer would beg to differ.


I did say "pretty much",

I wonder why it's called dragon glass
 
2012-07-06 01:58:12 PM
I'm confused by all the names in this thread. And I've watched the two seasons.

I know who The Imp is. That Albino Fire-Proof Woman WHo Can't Act. The Incestuous Twins and their The Whiney blonde kid. The Fat Bloke From The Full Monty. And Sean Bean.
 
2012-07-06 02:03:06 PM

GungFu: I'm confused by all the names in this thread. And I've watched the two seasons.

I know who The Imp is. That Albino Fire-Proof Woman WHo Can't Act. The Incestuous Twins and their The Whiney blonde kid. The Fat Bloke From The Full Monty. And Sean Bean.


The incestuous chick is Sarah Connor TV Show Lady, if it helps.
 
2012-07-06 02:04:17 PM

Tax Boy: God Is My Co-Pirate: kronicfeld: A man has patrol duty!

A farkette has said it before and will say it again: a man is smoking hot.

[getfile0.posterous.com image 500x252]


A farkette is owed a new keyboard.
 
2012-07-06 02:06:15 PM

mhd: steve_lou: As a separate issue, the identity of Robb Stark's love being changed is another pointless thing that makes him seem dumb.

So, the original love interest didn't make him seem dumb?

Robb Stark basically is the combination of two families with very limited brainpower resources.


Sure, but in the original he still holds to his sense of honor. So while dumb, it's still in character from what we've learned through his father.

The change does away with that. So it's both dumb and a giant FU to his men.


I also didn't like the changes to Arya's story. I understand them for the sake of timing, but it seems to discount certain motivations for the future of her story arc.
 
2012-07-06 02:11:16 PM

LucklessWonder: Because People in power are Stupid: I'm just going to posit that Jon Snow is in fact Ned Stark's nephew via Lyanna ("Promise me") and Dany's Nephew as well.

I think everybody who's read the books has posited that at some point.


Book 4 & 5 spoiler
I don't remember the details, but wasn't there some mention in Book 4 or 5 about Mad King Aerys taking a fancy to Tywin's wife, and wishing he could still claim "first night" when Tywin and her were married? For whatever reason that always made me think Tyrion might be a secret Targaryen. It'd be more fun than random Aegon showing up out of nowhere (who I think is a Varys-made fake anyway).

Also it's funny to read that quote about GRRM thinking magic is too overused and too easy for people to get, since by the end of book 5 magic is farking EVERYWHERE. I count at least five different ways for someone to be brought back from the dead, and I'm sure I missed a couple.

end spoiler talk
 
2012-07-06 02:11:22 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: kronicfeld: Because People in power are Stupid: Since fire is pretty much the only thing that will kill these beings

Sam the Slayer would beg to differ.

I did say "pretty much",

I wonder why it's called dragon glass


It's really dragon poop that hardened into fine sharp stone...

/wait till they find out the source of it in book 6
 
2012-07-06 02:18:03 PM

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: I understand them for the sake of timing, but it seems to discount certain motivations for the future of her story arc.


My concern is how this will influence the involvement of the Bloody Mummers and the Brotherhood Without Banners as well as the showing of Bolton as severe and sadistic. I am alright with the cup bearing under Tywin, the little banter, the changing of targets, and waiting for Bolton instead of having a prison break because I think the story can still progress as it should.
 
2012-07-06 02:18:22 PM

Tax Boy: God Is My Co-Pirate: kronicfeld: A man has patrol duty!

A farkette has said it before and will say it again: a man is smoking hot.

[getfile0.posterous.com image 500x252]


A man's highlights look better than the Gerry curl he was sporting as Syrio Forel.
 
2012-07-06 02:18:44 PM

KellyX: Because People in power are Stupid: kronicfeld: Because People in power are Stupid: Since fire is pretty much the only thing that will kill these beings

Sam the Slayer would beg to differ.

I did say "pretty much",

I wonder why it's called dragon glass

It's really dragon poop that hardened into fine sharp stone...

/wait till they find out the source of it in book 6


Later on after Sam discovers it he has a hard time convincing the Night's Watch to use it because it stinks so bad when it gets wet (from melted snow or White Walker blood). Which is why it was buried in the first place.
 
2012-07-06 02:21:29 PM

Vangor: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: I understand them for the sake of timing, but it seems to discount certain motivations for the future of her story arc.

My concern is how this will influence the involvement of the Bloody Mummers and the Brotherhood Without Banners as well as the showing of Bolton as severe and sadistic. I am alright with the cup bearing under Tywin, the little banter, the changing of targets, and waiting for Bolton instead of having a prison break because I think the story can still progress as it should.


I want to see if they make Theon as farked up as they do in the books
 
mhd
2012-07-06 02:22:04 PM

steve_lou: In short, a fifteen year old man makes a mistake in an attempt to be honorable.

In the TV show:
Eighteen(?) year old Robb falls for a commoner who isn't even from Westeros. When his mother confronts him he's a dick about it.


They had passionate sex before, so the honorable thing about a mistake is still in there. That leaves us with noble vs. foreigner. Never figured Robb to be that class-conscious, never mind that Medic Girl at least has a calling and brains, as opposed to all I've read about Jeyne.
 
2012-07-06 02:25:37 PM

Hoboclown: Also it's funny to read that quote about GRRM thinking magic is too overused and too easy for people to get, since by the end of book 5 magic is farking EVERYWHERE. I count at least five different ways for someone to be brought back from the dead, and I'm sure I missed a couple.


Undeath (wights), which isn't really the same thing
Fire magic with diminishing returns/undeath (Beric Dondarrion, Catelyn)

That's all I've got.
 
2012-07-06 02:25:49 PM

steve_lou: Hyjamon:
Any farkers care to enlighten me if I am missing something?


Thanks (and thanks to EdVenture & Swaxhog. The author of the article made it seem like the fit of rage was genuine and not an act, made me wonder if I missed an episode.

Was surprised Arya didn't name Tywin as one of the three men she wanted killed. Anyone know when Season 3 starts up?
 
2012-07-06 02:26:59 PM

Cymbal: Tax Boy: God Is My Co-Pirate: kronicfeld: A man has patrol duty!

A farkette has said it before and will say it again: a man is smoking hot.

[getfile0.posterous.com image 500x252]

A man's highlights look better than the Gerry curl he was sporting as Syrio Forel.


Syrio was killed helping Arya escape King's Landing, so I'm not sure what you mean here.
 
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