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2012-07-06 12:08:42 PM
212.117.169.133

/sympathizes
 
2012-07-06 12:16:30 PM
Aside from running foul poles, sounds a lot like high school football practices, only without the risk of concussion. Pussies!

We still make kids run foul poles after practice, but that's generally reserved for the lippy, cocky little shiats.
 
2012-07-06 12:21:55 PM
He thinks he had it tough?

I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay the mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
 
2012-07-06 12:26:42 PM
"That water was the greatest tasting thing I have ever had," he said, "better than any five-star restaurant."

...wuht. Thats a weird comparison.
 
2012-07-06 12:32:05 PM

4NTLRZ: Aside from running foul poles, sounds a lot like high school football practices, only without the risk of concussion. Pussies!

We still make kids run foul poles after practice, but that's generally reserved for the lippy, cocky little shiats.


No, you do not make players run foul poles for 16 hours.
 
2012-07-06 12:32:31 PM
Japanese ballplayers are an eccentric bunch. Just ask Hideki Matsui's wife.

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2012-07-06 12:33:59 PM
CSB:

At the FBI Academy, they frequently invite foreign cops/investigators to learn FBI techniques. The Japanese always insisted on sending two at the same time, unlike a lot of other countries. After a while, the trainers figured out the 2nd guy was basically just a servant - up to and including being the senior dectective's karate target. Not sparring partner... target. The junior guy would basically just get the shiat kicked out of him for two hours during the senior guy's evening workout.

/The Japanese can be a weird bunch
//but I think we already knew that
 
2012-07-06 12:42:58 PM

SharkTrager: 4NTLRZ: Aside from running foul poles, sounds a lot like high school football practices, only without the risk of concussion. Pussies!

We still make kids run foul poles after practice, but that's generally reserved for the lippy, cocky little shiats.

No, you do not make players run foul poles for 16 hours.


Oh hell no. More like 30 minutes or so, after they're already gassed from a full practice. I guarantee you, they come back to the next practice ready & willing to pay attention to what's going on.

We had a lippy, cocky little shiat who was participating in some jack-assery during practice this past spring season and he was hit in the head by a foul ball. Why? Because he wasn't paying attention to what was happening on the field. More than anything, it's about the safety of the kids. If they're not paying attention, they:
1) get very little out of practice
2) aren't helping the team... and
3) can get hurt pretty easily

As for my HS football remark, our coaches used tactics similar to these Japanese baseball coaches. Water was withheld. If we were lucky, we got a hand-full of ice cubes. If we farked up, we ran after practice (which usually ended around 5:30) sometimes until 9:30 or longer. Depnded on the severity of the fark-up. We were accustomed to it, though. It started in 7th grade.
 
2012-07-06 12:44:35 PM

AbsentFriends: our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.



The psalm or the Leonard Cohen one?
 
2012-07-06 12:45:26 PM
Yeah, well, some of us don't get to cheat and be the Onisu of Fear, Kuroda!
 
2012-07-06 12:48:24 PM
Who would have guessed that Japanese would be so good at torture?
 
2012-07-06 01:00:19 PM
I thought Rooky Karoka was a philipino bantam weight living in Yonkers
 
2012-07-06 01:12:23 PM

AbsentFriends: He thinks he had it tough?

I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay the mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.


Luxury.
 
2012-07-06 01:38:55 PM
Them Japanese are some twisted little farks.

If you're Japanese, and you think you're normal, you're wrong. You're twisted, too. You just haven't discovered your forte yet.
 
2012-07-06 01:40:15 PM
So torturing by a bullying coach=training?

Besides it sounds like he was loafing a lot during those runs, try a coach making a football team do sprints at the end of july, in georgia, in full pads until he felt like letting us stop, even if you puked you had to get back in line to keep sprints going.......

The biggest dick in the world was that coach, what had we done so bad? Lost our last game the previous season which just happened to be the championship game, some of the guys running were not even on that team, amazingly the coach never got fired. I still hate that guy to this day.
 
2012-07-06 01:43:41 PM

steamingpile: So torturing by a bullying coach=training?

Besides it sounds like he was loafing a lot during those runs, try a coach making a football team do sprints at the end of july, in georgia, in full pads until he felt like letting us stop, even if you puked you had to get back in line to keep sprints going.......

The biggest dick in the world was that coach, what had we done so bad? Lost our last game the previous season which just happened to be the championship game, some of the guys running were not even on that team, amazingly the coach never got fired. I still hate that guy to this day.


I'm glad I had a coach like that in 5th grade. He was so bad, I gave up playing football. I was really good at it too, he didn't have to be a huge cock and yell at me. All he would have had to do is tell me to do something. I have a football players body too at 6'5 240. Oh well, at least I didn't fark my brain up any further with repeated head trauma. Thanks for saving my brain coach!
 
2012-07-06 01:50:50 PM

4NTLRZ: SharkTrager: 4NTLRZ: Aside from running foul poles, sounds a lot like high school football practices, only without the risk of concussion. Pussies!

We still make kids run foul poles after practice, but that's generally reserved for the lippy, cocky little shiats.

No, you do not make players run foul poles for 16 hours.

Oh hell no. More like 30 minutes or so, after they're already gassed from a full practice. I guarantee you, they come back to the next practice ready & willing to pay attention to what's going on.

We had a lippy, cocky little shiat who was participating in some jack-assery during practice this past spring season and he was hit in the head by a foul ball. Why? Because he wasn't paying attention to what was happening on the field. More than anything, it's about the safety of the kids. If they're not paying attention, they:
1) get very little out of practice
2) aren't helping the team... and
3) can get hurt pretty easily

As for my HS football remark, our coaches used tactics similar to these Japanese baseball coaches. Water was withheld. If we were lucky, we got a hand-full of ice cubes. If we farked up, we ran after practice (which usually ended around 5:30) sometimes until 9:30 or longer. Depnded on the severity of the fark-up. We were accustomed to it, though. It started in 7th grade.


Football practices are not that hard compared to certain other sports (one in particular). The machismo that surrounds the sport lends itself to hyperbole.
 
2012-07-06 01:51:16 PM

Communist_Manifesto: steamingpile: So torturing by a bullying coach=training?

Besides it sounds like he was loafing a lot during those runs, try a coach making a football team do sprints at the end of july, in georgia, in full pads until he felt like letting us stop, even if you puked you had to get back in line to keep sprints going.......

The biggest dick in the world was that coach, what had we done so bad? Lost our last game the previous season which just happened to be the championship game, some of the guys running were not even on that team, amazingly the coach never got fired. I still hate that guy to this day.

I'm glad I had a coach like that in 5th grade. He was so bad, I gave up playing football. I was really good at it too, he didn't have to be a huge cock and yell at me. All he would have had to do is tell me to do something. I have a football players body too at 6'5 240. Oh well, at least I didn't fark my brain up any further with repeated head trauma. Thanks for saving my brain coach!


I am starting wishing I would have quit, I am pretty sure that football is what has led to my migraines now, I fell into a 4X4 post on a job site and to be safe they sent me to get a cat scan which showed I had previous head trauma, sometimes these things hurt so bad I want to shove an icepick in my temple just to stop the pain.
 
2012-07-06 01:58:50 PM

Crewmannumber6: I thought Rooky Karoka was a philipino bantam weight living in Yonkers


Ka-RO-ka! Ka-RO-ka!

/very nice reference
 
2012-07-06 02:02:59 PM

4NTLRZ: SharkTrager: 4NTLRZ: Aside from running foul poles, sounds a lot like high school football practices, only without the risk of concussion. Pussies!

We still make kids run foul poles after practice, but that's generally reserved for the lippy, cocky little shiats.

No, you do not make players run foul poles for 16 hours.

Oh hell no. More like 30 minutes or so, after they're already gassed from a full practice. I guarantee you, they come back to the next practice ready & willing to pay attention to what's going on.

We had a lippy, cocky little shiat who was participating in some jack-assery during practice this past spring season and he was hit in the head by a foul ball. Why? Because he wasn't paying attention to what was happening on the field. More than anything, it's about the safety of the kids. If they're not paying attention, they:
1) get very little out of practice
2) aren't helping the team... and
3) can get hurt pretty easily

As for my HS football remark, our coaches used tactics similar to these Japanese baseball coaches. Water was withheld. If we were lucky, we got a hand-full of ice cubes. If we farked up, we ran after practice (which usually ended around 5:30) sometimes until 9:30 or longer. Depnded on the severity of the fark-up. We were accustomed to it, though. It started in 7th grade.


Wait, just a few posts up you claimed 30 minutes. Now you are claiming 4 hours?

I predict in your next post it'll be up to 16 hours.
 
2012-07-06 02:12:38 PM
FTFA: "It was a generation," Kuroda said through an interpreter, "when coaches believed you should not drink water."

Born in 1975, Kuroda is one of the last of a cohort of Japanese players who grew up in a culture in which staggeringly long work days and severe punishment were normal, and in which older players could haze younger ones with impunity.

Summer practices in the heat and humidity of Osaka lasted from 6 a.m. until after 9 p.m. Kuroda was hit with bats and forced to kneel barelegged on hot pavement for hours.


No wonder your baseball players were farking terrible, Japan. WTF is wrong with you?

Well, except for Sadaharu Oh, but that guy is a god.
 
2012-07-06 02:30:05 PM
sometimes these things hurt so bad I want to shove an icepick in my temple just to stop the pain.

Farking THIS. Had em since I was little. Sometimes they last for 3 days. When one really grabs hold, I am completely useless. Dark room, cool air, PAIN.

Relpax to the rescue. Miracle drug.
 
2012-07-06 02:41:17 PM

darch: sometimes these things hurt so bad I want to shove an icepick in my temple just to stop the pain.

Farking THIS. Had em since I was little. Sometimes they last for 3 days. When one really grabs hold, I am completely useless. Dark room, cool air, PAIN.

Relpax to the rescue. Miracle drug.


Is that the stuff that causes anorexia? I may have to ask about it, I know the GF gets tired of them since I dont want to be touched or even spoken to when one really kicks in, I feel bad since I know Im a prick when they happen.
 
2012-07-06 02:47:33 PM

Moopy Mac:
Football practices are not that hard compared to certain other sports (one in particular). The machismo that surrounds the sport lends itself to hyperbole.


Football practice never looked that bad to me. Wrestling looked the worst, espicially if you had any weight to cut.

My friend who was on state winning XC and wrestling teams said day-to-day wrestling was harder, but a hard running practice was the most brutal. Though he never had weight issues (I think he actually wrestled up and still was all-state).
 
2012-07-06 02:50:09 PM

Thoguh: 4NTLRZ: SharkTrager: 4NTLRZ: Wait, just a few posts up you claimed 30 minutes. Now you are claiming 4 hours?

I predict in your next post it'll be up to 16 hours.


Either mis-read my post, didn't read all of it or I wasn't very clear (probably the later... maybe all of the above).

30 minutes or so of foul-poles is what I make the kids that I coach baseball run when they:
A) decide to snarky, or
B) opt out of paying attention to their surroundings during practice.

Runnning 4+ hours after practice is what my high school football coach made me & my teammates do when we farked up or lost a game that we shouldn't have lost.

Figured you'd understand the two different scenarios I was relating. After all, I did use the terms "running foul-poles", " hit in the head by a foul ball"... that'd be baseball.

In another paragraph (whole different train of thought/subject), I used the terms "HS football", "our coaches used similar tactics", "It started in 7th grade"... that'd be football.

Hope that clears things up for you.

/Your prediction of my next post = fail, but that's cool.
 
2012-07-06 02:52:15 PM
Is that the stuff that causes anorexia? I may have to ask about it, I know the GF gets tired of them since I dont want to be touched or even spoken to when one really kicks in, I feel bad since I know Im a prick when they happen.

Anorexia? Um, all 196lb of me says no. The shiat works, that's all I know.
 
2012-07-06 03:01:24 PM

Moopy Mac: 4NTLRZ: SharkTrager: 4NTLRZ: ...our coaches used tactics similar to these Japanese baseball coaches. Water was withheld. If we were lucky, we got a hand-full of ice cubes. If we farked up, we ran after practice (which usually ended around 5:30) sometimes until 9:30 or longer. Depnded on the severity of the fark-up. We were accustomed to it, though. It started in 7th grade.

Football practices are not that hard compared to certain other sports (one in particular). The machismo that surrounds the sport lends itself to hyperbole.


edge.ebaumsworld.com

Doesn't sound like you ever did 2-a-days...
full pads...
full contact...
In July & August...
In TEXAS...
or ARIZONA

hint: It's hotter than love.

BTW, which "one sport in particular" are you hinting at?
 
2012-07-06 03:03:52 PM

Moopy Mac: Football practices are not that hard compared to certain other sports (one in particular). The machismo that surrounds the sport lends itself to hyperbole.


Bullsh*t, I played alot of sports and its worse
 
2012-07-06 03:06:47 PM

steamingpile: Moopy Mac: Football practices are not that hard compared to certain other sports (one in particular). The machismo that surrounds the sport lends itself to hyperbole.

Bullsh*t, I played alot of sports and its worse


My son, promarily a swimmer, also played football and he used to laugh at the football hard asses during August two-a-days.
 
2012-07-06 03:16:21 PM

steamingpile: darch: Relpax to the rescue. Miracle drug.

Is that the stuff that causes anorexia? I may have to ask about it, I know the GF gets tired of them since I dont want to be touched or even spoken to when one really kicks in, I feel bad since I know Im a prick when they happen.


Relpax does work for some people. I know several people that have migranes & they swear by it. Talk to your physician to see if he/she recommends it.

I was lucky. Seemed like I had a concussion every month during football season when I was in high school, but I don't have any issues with headaches (migrane or otherwise). Don't know what I'd do if I had 'em, because migranes can be... well... debilitating.

Seriously hope you get relief from those. That sucks!
 
2012-07-06 03:32:51 PM

steamingpile: Moopy Mac: Football practices are not that hard compared to certain other sports (one in particular). The machismo that surrounds the sport lends itself to hyperbole.

Bullsh*t, I played alot of sports and its worse


No it's really not. I played football through high school. You'd go to two-a-days and work your arse of all season. And then in the winter the real suffering would begin.

/"I played alot of sports" - Hilarious
 
2012-07-06 03:38:11 PM

4NTLRZ: Moopy Mac: 4NTLRZ: SharkTrager: 4NTLRZ: ...our coaches used tactics similar to these Japanese baseball coaches. Water was withheld. If we were lucky, we got a hand-full of ice cubes. If we farked up, we ran after practice (which usually ended around 5:30) sometimes until 9:30 or longer. Depnded on the severity of the fark-up. We were accustomed to it, though. It started in 7th grade.

Football practices are not that hard compared to certain other sports (one in particular). The machismo that surrounds the sport lends itself to hyperbole.

[edge.ebaumsworld.com image 500x375]

Doesn't sound like you ever did 2-a-days...
full pads...
full contact...
In July & August...
In TEXAS...
or ARIZONA

hint: It's hotter than love.

BTW, which "one sport in particular" are you hinting at?


You aren't the only person to play sports on Fark. You aren't the only person that played football in the south(west, in your case) on Fark. Football is good for being macho and getting yelled at a lot, but it was never that "hard" (from a physical fitness point of view).

And I was referring to wrestling, where coaches don't withhold water from you, you do it to yourself.

But can we at least agree that basketball is the easiest? Those guys would show up to baseball practice at the beginning of the season and barely finish the warm-up runs.
 
2012-07-06 03:39:49 PM

Crewmannumber6: steamingpile: Moopy Mac: Football practices are not that hard compared to certain other sports (one in particular). The machismo that surrounds the sport lends itself to hyperbole.

Bullsh*t, I played alot of sports and its worse

My son, promarily a swimmer, also played football and he used to laugh at the football hard asses during August two-a-days.


In their defense most of the guys he's laughing at were horribly out of shape all season thinking lifting will keep them in shape. If he was a swimmer then I'm guessing he was DB or wr and they always have an easier time than linemen and lb/te.

My point was of the normal HS sports football practice is maybe only second to the baseball practices we had but we had a coach who pushed us really hard except he was fair.

I would probably give my vote to soccer as one of the hardest sports since we are mainly speaking running it seems. Their practices looked like torture sessions for running, overall I still give it to football because we lifted more than every other sport.
 
2012-07-06 03:46:17 PM

bacongood: Moopy Mac:
Football practices are not that hard compared to certain other sports (one in particular). The machismo that surrounds the sport lends itself to hyperbole.

Football practice never looked that bad to me. Wrestling looked the worst, espicially if you had any weight to cut.

My friend who was on state winning XC and wrestling teams said day-to-day wrestling was harder, but a hard running practice was the most brutal. Though he never had weight issues (I think he actually wrestled up and still was all-state).


Pop Warner was awful for football practice. We had two-a-days in high school, and we were a top in the nation program, but that shiat was easy compared to what my Pop Warner coaches put me through.

And wrestling was harder, but also easier/less traumatic. The gym was air conditioned and there was a water fountain, plus it was a winter sport. Full pads in the August monsoonal heat 5 days a week is a lot harder than tshirt and shorts in an air conditioned gym
 
2012-07-06 04:01:33 PM

steamingpile: Communist_Manifesto: steamingpile: So torturing by a bullying coach=training?

Besides it sounds like he was loafing a lot during those runs, try a coach making a football team do sprints at the end of july, in georgia, in full pads until he felt like letting us stop, even if you puked you had to get back in line to keep sprints going.......

The biggest dick in the world was that coach, what had we done so bad? Lost our last game the previous season which just happened to be the championship game, some of the guys running were not even on that team, amazingly the coach never got fired. I still hate that guy to this day.

I'm glad I had a coach like that in 5th grade. He was so bad, I gave up playing football. I was really good at it too, he didn't have to be a huge cock and yell at me. All he would have had to do is tell me to do something. I have a football players body too at 6'5 240. Oh well, at least I didn't fark my brain up any further with repeated head trauma. Thanks for saving my brain coach!

I am starting wishing I would have quit, I am pretty sure that football is what has led to my migraines now, I fell into a 4X4 post on a job site and to be safe they sent me to get a cat scan which showed I had previous head trauma, sometimes these things hurt so bad I want to shove an icepick in my temple just to stop the pain.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-06 04:04:26 PM

steamingpile:
I would probably give my vote to soccer as one of the hardest sports since we are mainly speaking running it seems. Their practices looked like torture sessions for running, overall I still give it to football because we lifted more than every other sport.


Wouldn't the running sports (XC/track) be harder than soccer by that logic?

/football players would get more respect from me if they hadn't constantly overstated everything they did.
 
2012-07-06 04:14:16 PM

4NTLRZ: Moopy Mac: 4NTLRZ: SharkTrager: 4NTLRZ: ...our coaches used tactics similar to these Japanese baseball coaches. Water was withheld. If we were lucky, we got a hand-full of ice cubes. If we farked up, we ran after practice (which usually ended around 5:30) sometimes until 9:30 or longer. Depnded on the severity of the fark-up. We were accustomed to it, though. It started in 7th grade.

Football practices are not that hard compared to certain other sports (one in particular). The machismo that surrounds the sport lends itself to hyperbole.

[edge.ebaumsworld.com image 500x375]

Doesn't sound like you ever did 2-a-days...
full pads...
full contact...
In July & August...
In TEXAS...
or ARIZONA

hint: It's hotter than love.

BTW, which "one sport in particular" are you hinting at?


I don't know... I had rugby training at 6:30 AM when it was about -10 celsius. The ground was rock hard and since your body was so cold, when you get hit or hit someone, you felt like you were shattering. Felt those practises allllll day.
 
2012-07-06 04:19:20 PM
Looking back, the only part of football practice I dreaded were the runways. Yes, I know full contact in the game can be pretty brutal, but there's something about two guys converging unobstructed from 20 yards apart and blasting into each other. Winners got to take a knee and watch as losers got snot-knockered. I never got to watch.
 
2012-07-06 04:21:27 PM

Moopy Mac: 4NTLRZ: Moopy Mac: 4NTLRZ: SharkTrager: You aren't the only person to play sports on Fark.

I don't recall ever saying I was.

You aren't the only person that played football in the south(west, in your case) on Fark.
Again, not something I ever claimed.

Football is good for being macho and getting yelled at a lot, but it was never that "hard" (from a physical fitness point of view).
I'd beg to differ. It was tremendously hard from a physical fitness and mental POV. Especially, 2 a-days when it was 100+ degrees under pads, with a lot of running and full contact. It was an incredible amount of stress on the body & mind.

I see the intellectual high road you're trying to take with regard to football and machismo, though. Football is not for everyone. Not everyone likes collisions that leave your teeth rattling & not everyone takes enjoys doling out that kind of punishment... and there's usually a lot of yelling.

And I was referring to wrestling, where coaches don't withhold water from you, you do it to yourself.
I understand how difficult wrestling is. I have a 16 yr old that wrestles, plays hockey & baseball at the 5-A high school level. He says that wrestling is the toughest from a fitness POV. But he also says that because it (and hockey) are played and practiced indoors, it's not as bad as it could be, which is the main reason he gave up football. And my son and his wrestling teammates don't withhold water from themselves. They have to pass hydration tests before competing in duals, tourneys, etc. They obviously have to make weight, but purposeful dehydration isn't how it's done. Not even close. Making weight is all about a consistent proper diet, rest & lots of low weight/high rep, aerobic exercise (if there's weight to cut).

But can we at least agree that basketball is the easiest? Those guys would show up to baseball practice at the beginning of the season and barely finish the warm-up runs.
I can't speak on the subject of basketball because I never played competitively. Although I would imagine that it takes high level of cardio fitness to hump it up & down the court for the better part of a game. I had a few things working against me that kept me off the basketball team. I was:
1) relatively short at 6' 1"
2) white
3) and couldn't shoot
 
2012-07-06 04:36:07 PM

toobsok: 4NTLRZ: Moopy Mac: 4NTLRZ: SharkTrager: 4NTLRZ: ...our coaches used tactics similar to these Japanese baseball coaches. Water was withheld. If we were lucky, we got a hand-full of ice cubes. If we farked up, we ran after practice (which usually ended around 5:30) sometimes until 9:30 or longer. Depnded on the severity of the fark-up. We were accustomed to it, though. It started in 7th grade.

Football practices are not that hard compared to certain other sports (one in particular). The machismo that surrounds the sport lends itself to hyperbole.

[edge.ebaumsworld.com image 500x375]

Doesn't sound like you ever did 2-a-days...
full pads...
full contact...
In July & August...
In TEXAS...
or ARIZONA

hint: It's hotter than love.

BTW, which "one sport in particular" are you hinting at?

I don't know... I had rugby training at 6:30 AM when it was about -10 celsius. The ground was rock hard and since your body was so cold, when you get hit or hit someone, you felt like you were shattering. Felt those practises allllll day.


I can't attest to anything rugby related. Not a big sport here in Texas. But it does get colder than a well-digger's ass in the northern part of the state where I was raised, which was another really hard part of playing football. I totally understand what you're saying by feeling like you were shattering. I remember that feeling well.

It always seemed that the heat in the early part of the season was brutal, but I broke more fingers & stuff in the dead of winter when we were playing. Luckily I was a strong safety in high school. I really wasn't what you'd call a "skill" player & my main job was to knockmotherfarkersout.
 
2012-07-06 04:53:13 PM
Those of you besmirching football practices don't understand.

Two-a-days (and sometimes three-a-day workouts after the second practice) in July/August are brutal. Yes you run in other sports, but not with an extra fifty pounds on your body in ninety degree heat. In most other sports your also don't spend the day throwing your body into guys who are bigger than you. At the end of the day I was always farking dizzy from a combination of dehydration and contact.

Swimming? You're in a pool. You don't have to hit anyone. I would have gladly tread water for a few hours instead of lowering my head to a 220 lb fullback coming up the two-hole (heh), play after play after play.

And I wrestled in HS too. While that shiat was tough, though I never had to cut weight, it was nothing compared to football. Everyday you abuse your body only to wake up and do it again.

/srs biznezz
//Swimming? Really? You're son is a leg shaving pussy if he thinks that training is tough.
 
2012-07-06 04:56:03 PM

bacongood: steamingpile:
I would probably give my vote to soccer as one of the hardest sports since we are mainly speaking running it seems. Their practices looked like torture sessions for running, overall I still give it to football because we lifted more than every other sport.

Wouldn't the running sports (XC/track) be harder than soccer by that logic?

/football players would get more respect from me if they hadn't constantly overstated everything they did.


Actually they aren't as hard since all you are conditioning for is one race, not for having to do anything else other than run. Other sports involve more and track always seemed to have the easiest practice, too hot? Lets go inside. Too rainy? Lets go inside.

We usually had early and late practice rain or shine, God forbid its summer time where they would have practices till lunch take a few hours off then back at 3.
 
2012-07-06 05:01:45 PM

Springy23: Those of you besmirching football practices don't understand.

Two-a-days (and sometimes three-a-day workouts after the second practice) in July/August are brutal. Yes you run in other sports, but not with an extra fifty pounds on your body in ninety degree heat. In most other sports your also don't spend the day throwing your body into guys who are bigger than you. At the end of the day I was always farking dizzy from a combination of dehydration and contact.

Swimming? You're in a pool. You don't have to hit anyone. I would have gladly tread water for a few hours instead of lowering my head to a 220 lb fullback coming up the two-hole (heh), play after play after play.

And I wrestled in HS too. While that shiat was tough, though I never had to cut weight, it was nothing compared to football. Everyday you abuse your body only to wake up and do it again.

/srs biznezz
//Swimming? Really? You're son is a leg shaving pussy if he thinks that training is tough.


Boy, are you dumb. He swam AND played football (tight end) and said there was no contest, that footballs two-a-days were a breeze compared to a TYPICAL swim practice. I'm guessing you're ex-lineman fat ass couldn't tread water for 5 minutes let alone 2 hours. And the fact that you think the training constitutes 'treading water' shows how ignorant you are.

/guess it's true what they say about concussions and football.
 
2012-07-06 05:04:38 PM

Springy23: Swimming? You're in a pool. You don't have to hit anyone. I would have gladly tread water for a few hours instead of lowering my head to a 220 lb fullback coming up the two-hole (heh), play after play after play.


I dated a girl on the swim team in college and once attempted her warmup. Not that I'm in the greatest shape in the world, but I couldn't even finish it.
 
2012-07-06 05:13:56 PM

Crewmannumber6: Springy23: Those of you besmirching football practices don't understand.

Two-a-days (and sometimes three-a-day workouts after the second practice) in July/August are brutal. Yes you run in other sports, but not with an extra fifty pounds on your body in ninety degree heat. In most other sports your also don't spend the day throwing your body into guys who are bigger than you. At the end of the day I was always farking dizzy from a combination of dehydration and contact.

Swimming? You're in a pool. You don't have to hit anyone. I would have gladly tread water for a few hours instead of lowering my head to a 220 lb fullback coming up the two-hole (heh), play after play after play.

And I wrestled in HS too. While that shiat was tough, though I never had to cut weight, it was nothing compared to football. Everyday you abuse your body only to wake up and do it again.

/srs biznezz
//Swimming? Really? You're son is a leg shaving pussy if he thinks that training is tough.

Boy, are you dumb. He swam AND played football (tight end) and said there was no contest, that footballs two-a-days were a breeze compared to a TYPICAL swim practice. I'm guessing you're ex-lineman fat ass couldn't tread water for 5 minutes let alone 2 hours. And the fact that you think the training constitutes 'treading water' shows how ignorant you are.

/guess it's true what they say about concussions and football.


Hurr. Good joke.

Actually I did have a couple of concussions from football. Never heard of a concussion for swimming. Or a torn ACL, broken fingers, etc.

And I was a safety, not a lineman. I still contend that doing laps in a pool is nowhere near as daunting as a full speed collision with two 200ish lb guys getting a ten yard head start.

But whatever you say. Them swimmers got it tough. That's why you hear about Mark Spitz having brain damage and Parkinson's later in life. Because of the toll that training takes on their body.
 
2012-07-06 05:22:29 PM
This is the thread that the phrase "internet tough guy" was made for.
 
2012-07-06 05:26:24 PM

Crewmannumber6: Springy23: ...swam AND played football (tight end) and said there was no contest, that footballs two-a-days were a breeze compared to a TYPICAL swim practice.


I also swam and played football in high school (also lettered in baseball, track-pole vault & golf) and found that swimming workouts weren't nearly as bad as 2 a-days (aside from having to be in the water at 6:00 AM).

That being said, football 2 a-days lasted a couple of months, so we knew that the torture would eventually end. The swimming season was a longer grind. And I do vividly remember that when I missed just one swimming practice, the next one back was absolute murder! It's a different kind of difficult, I suppose. But I would always take swimming over 2 a-days, if for no other reason than the constant headaches from contact and dehydration. Again, our asshole coaches withheld water & gave us a hand full of ice cubes during each practice session. While that would never fly these days, I guess it did make us "tougher". We always seemed to have gas left in the tank, as a team, when the 4th quarter rolled around & were always the best conditioned team in our area. We lived for the 4th quarter. And our district produced some pretty damned good NFL players (Merton Hanks & Jessie Armstead, to name a couple).
 
2012-07-06 06:23:33 PM

4NTLRZ: Again, our asshole coaches withheld water & gave us a hand full of ice cubes during each practice session. While that would never fly these days, I guess it did make us "tougher".


Withholding water makes one tougher in much the same way that beef jerky is tougher than a steak.
 
2012-07-06 06:45:14 PM

BKITU: 4NTLRZ: Again, our asshole coaches withheld water & gave us a hand full of ice cubes during each practice session. While that would never fly these days, I guess it did make us "tougher".

Withholding water makes one tougher in much the same way that beef jerky is tougher than a steak.


Quite literally, actually.

That said, is there any scientific data at all to show that withholding water makes your body more efficient with it? I know that a common training technique for grapplers and the like is to run on a treadmill with a snorkel over your face plugged with a sponge or other partially air restricting substance, which does have some training benefit(not really any different in idea than high altitude training)
 
2012-07-06 06:50:56 PM
I imagined his HS coach to be like Beat Takeshi's (no pun intended) headmaster in Battle Royale. Always chipper and upbeat while assigning lethal punishments to the kids.
 
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