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(Washington Post)   Pro tip to Obama: When complaining about how horrible Romney's outsourcing at Bain was, don't have your Secretary of State applauding a new GM plant in Uzbekistan   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 100
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2012-07-06 10:11:39 AM  
Now if subby can point to where American workers were fired so this plant can open, then you'll have equivalency.
 
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2012-07-06 10:26:43 AM  
I don't understand why Benedict Arnoldmitter has a problem with an American company profitting from the sale of cars in other countries. He must want a Hyundai or Tata to profit instead.
 
2012-07-06 10:33:54 AM  
Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiits Freeper Friday, brought to you by the Freepermod and the Fark Trolls! Go Go Freeper Go Go its your birthday go go
 
2012-07-06 10:34:48 AM  
if romney had his way, GM wouldn't exist at all.

also, GM is a global company that makes cars all over the world. it's highly unlikely that they're making cars in uzbekistan and shipping them here.
 
2012-07-06 10:36:19 AM  
jesus, freepers are just so farking stupid. every time they think they've "gotcha!" it turns out that they have no argument at all or their facts are wrong or they're taking something completely out of context - sometimes all three. i can't remember the last time i heard a cogent, well-reasoned argument from a rightwing blog. seriously.
 
2012-07-06 10:49:50 AM  

FlashHarry: if romney had his way, GM wouldn't exist at all.


Shhhhhh he re-wrote history and doesn't want that fact known. Now he says bailing out GM was his idea.
 
2012-07-06 10:50:07 AM  

FlashHarry: jesus, freepers are just so farking stupid. every time they think they've "gotcha!" it turns out that they have no argument at all or their facts are wrong or they're taking something completely out of context - sometimes all three. i can't remember the last time i heard a cogent, well-reasoned argument from a rightwing blog. seriously.


And you won't. Freepers, Teabaggers, Republicans and all the other various flavors aren't interested in debate or discussion. Those are intellectual pursuits. Freepers et al want emotional confirmation of their beliefs. Thats why there is no Fox News on the left, despite various attempts to start one. Lefties for the most part want discussion, debate, and a theoretical agrement on a conclusion.

I think Chomsky said something about how it takes many words to formed a reasoned debate, but only a handful of words to convey a prejudice or an ideology.

So arguing with a freeper is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Not worth it. You can decide to ignore the idiot with the gun, or you can decide to bring a bigger gun or a nuke.

But "debate" isn't what they're doing.


WAKE UP SHEEPLE


:)
 
2012-07-06 10:53:58 AM  
This is too much stupid
 
2012-07-06 10:57:05 AM  
Yes, I'm outraged that cars manufactured and sold in Asia are profiting an American owned company.
 
2012-07-06 10:57:36 AM  
Wow, he actually showed some respect for the office of the President of the United States. That's a first. I hope he remembered to bow.
 
2012-07-06 10:59:03 AM  

BillCo: Wow, he actually showed some respect for the office of the President of the United States. That's a first. I hope he remembered to bow.


A first would be if you said something intelligent, but I won't hold my breath.
 
2012-07-06 11:09:39 AM  
Uzbekistan is not a free country, its a dictatorship that is corrupt and they are polluting the environment. Its a terrible shiathole and a bad place to invest.
 
2012-07-06 11:10:20 AM  
ooz becky becky sedan sedan
 
2012-07-06 11:15:19 AM  

BillCo: Wow, he actually showed some respect for the office of the President of the United States. That's a first. I hope he remembered to bow.


That's it? Really?
 
2012-07-06 11:38:03 AM  

Walker: FlashHarry: if romney had his way, GM wouldn't exist at all.

Shhhhhh he re-wrote history and doesn't want that fact known. Now he says bailing out GM was his idea.


i love that he's still pushing the private bailout idea, when everyone knows there was ZERO private capital available in 2008, and that the only private bankruptcy available was liquidation.
 
2012-07-06 11:48:44 AM  

Codenamechaz: Now if subby can point to where American workers were fired so this plant can open, then you'll have equivalency.


They were never hired! Which is worse because now we can't milk the unemployment! How can the Unions support Obama! We need to tax the fark out of those imports!!!

I really have no problem with this. If we want manufacturing jobs we need to compete in the global market for them.
 
2012-07-06 12:41:33 PM  

FlashHarry: if romney had his way, GM wouldn't exist at all.

also, GM is a global company that makes cars all over the world. it's highly unlikely that they're making cars in uzbekistan and shipping them here.


So much this, and with many industries. "Buy American" is impossible. Toyota makes cars here in America for Americans. GM makes cars in Mexico for Americans. GM makes cars in America for Mexicans. Its so complicated that "buying American" really doesn't mean anything.

And I'm just scratching the surface with the term "making cars". Parts are made and shipped all over the world. From outside America to America, From America shipped outside America.

This isn't the 1909 Ford Model T industry anymore. Far from it.

Look... we live in a global economy. Get over it.
 
2012-07-06 01:02:32 PM  

BillCo: Wow, he actually showed some respect for the office of the President of the United States. That's a first. I hope he remembered to bow.


Obama never shows respect for the office. Even when it appears he does he is thinking about rubbing the Constitution on his taint and then plays pocket pool.
 
2012-07-06 01:02:35 PM  

BillCo: Wow, he actually showed some respect for the office of the President of the United States. That's a first. I hope he remembered to bow.


You sound tired Bill.
 
2012-07-06 01:03:05 PM  

vernonFL: Uzbekistan is not a free country, its a dictatorship that is corrupt and they are polluting the environment. Its a terrible shiathole and a bad place to invest.


And their potassium is inferior!
 
2012-07-06 01:04:03 PM  

FlashHarry: if romney had his way, GM wouldn't exist at all.

also, GM is a global company that makes cars all over the world. it's highly unlikely that they're making cars in uzbekistan and shipping them here.


They're not. GM is experiencing its biggest growth in China. Chances are, the Chinese labor got too expensive, so GM laid those workers off and built a plant in Uzbekistan.
 
2012-07-06 01:05:16 PM  
Uzbeki-beki-beki-bekistan?
 
2012-07-06 01:06:14 PM  
It's not outsourcing when they do it, it's inclusisourcing!
 
2012-07-06 01:09:16 PM  

s2s2s2: It's not outsourcing when they do it, it's inclusisourcing!


It's not outsourcing if Americans don't lose their jobs to foreign workers. It's sort of the whole definition of outsourcing.
 
2012-07-06 01:09:44 PM  

FlashHarry: if romney had his way, GM wouldn't exist at all.


Aye. He said they should go bankrupt. Which is what they did. But, without government-backed loans, they weren't going to get any out-of-bankruptcy financing. No, not Bain Capital or the like either. Does anyone else remember 2008-09? "Cascading credit market lockups" ring a bell?


also, GM is a global company that makes cars all over the world. it's highly unlikely that they're making cars in uzbekistan and shipping them here.

Not yet, anyway. But, my wife's US office recently bought several made-in-Turkey Fords (Transit Connect), so it doesn't seem entirely beyond reason either.
 
2012-07-06 01:11:31 PM  
Showing up in this thread only long enough to say fark the mod who greenlights Freeper Friday, and you get no further clicks from me.
 
2012-07-06 01:11:51 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: s2s2s2:

It's not outsourcing if Americans don't lose their jobs to foreign workers. It's sort of the whole definition of outsourcing.


those cars could have been made here. by americans. then shipped and sold over there. there's a whole factory-load of american people who don't have jobs because of this.

so there's that.

or you could pretend otherwise...
 
2012-07-06 01:12:18 PM  

downstairs: This isn't the 1909 Ford Model T industry anymore. Far from it.

Look... we live in a global economy. Get over it.


Good luck getting the various derpers to understand that though. They simply can't conceive of the actual complexities of the realities of the modern world. They don't understand the degree to which all economies and really all people are interconnected. The modern reality is that if I am getting richer, so are you, and if you're getting poorer, so am I---and that's thanks to the global nature of the modern economy. The derpers can't understand it, which makes them afraid, and that fear in turn causes them to vote with their emotions and not their minds. And the final product is Teabaggers in the federal government.

This is one of my greatest concerns with modern democracy. The world is becoming an increasingly complex place, but it seems that the majority of its inhabitants really can't maintain a working knowledge of that complexity. We need well-informed voters, and informing voters is an increasingly difficult task.

/Infroming them, on the other hand, is as easy as F-O-X.
 
2012-07-06 01:12:31 PM  
"FILE - In this file photo dated Sunday, Oct. 23, 2011"
 
2012-07-06 01:18:31 PM  

Sybarite: Yes, I'm outraged that cars manufactured and sold in Asia are profiting an American owned company.


Clearly it would be more efficient to ship all those raw materials to Detroit*, make the cars, then ship them all around the world.

*more likely Canada or Mexico.
 
2012-07-06 01:22:19 PM  

FlashHarry: if romney had his way, GM wouldn't exist at all.

also, GM is a global company that makes cars all over the world. it's highly unlikely that they're making cars in uzbekistan and shipping them here.


No no no. GM should be making them all HERE and then SHIPPING them THERE so Americans wouLD work. Who cares if they'd lose money on the shipping, they're TAKEN OUR JERORBS!
 
2012-07-06 01:22:39 PM  
guess we should have shipped americans overseas to work in the factory?
 
2012-07-06 01:28:01 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: s2s2s2: It's not outsourcing when they do it, it's inclusisourcing!

It's not outsourcing if Americans don't lose their jobs to foreign workers. It's sort of the whole definition of outsourcing.


Actually, that is not the definition of outsourcing.
"To purchase/subcontract goods/services from an outside supplier or source."
 
2012-07-06 01:29:42 PM  
Go on rightwingers!
Show how farking stupid you are and make sure EVERYBODY knows that you are unfit to run ANYTHING more than a vacuumcleaner (not a woman dig).
 
2012-07-06 01:32:36 PM  

Lawnchair: also, GM is a global company that makes cars all over the world. it's highly unlikely that they're making cars in uzbekistan and shipping them here.

Not yet, anyway. But, my wife's US office recently bought several made-in-Turkey Fords (Transit Connect), so it doesn't seem entirely beyond reason either.


I am outraged by something that might eventually actually happen someday!

Sybarite: Yes, I'm outraged that cars manufactured and sold in Asia are profiting an American owned company.


Wait, no I'm not.

This nuanced stuff is so confusing! Why can't everything be black-or-white simple?
 
2012-07-06 01:36:31 PM  
Should have put it in Uzbeki-beki-beki-stan-stan.


I hear they have great tax rates.
 
2012-07-06 01:36:49 PM  

Sybarite: Yes, I'm outraged that cars manufactured and sold in Asia are profiting an American owned company.


Way to invalidate nearly all criticism of Bain.
 
2012-07-06 01:37:50 PM  
FTA: "downturn in its relations with the former overlords in Moscow"

Overloads? I stopped reading right there. Washington Post, what do they put in the water there?
 
2012-07-06 01:38:55 PM  

s2s2s2: "To purchase/subcontract goods/services from an outside supplier or source."


No. That is wrong, just like most nonsense you post. Wiki says it better than I ever could have:


Outsourcing is the process of contracting an existing business process which an organization previously performed internally to an independent organization, where the process is purchased as a service. Though this practice of purchasing a business function - instead of providing it internally - is a common feature of any modern economy, the term outsourcing became popular in America near the turn of the 21st century. An outsourcing deal may also involve transfer of the employees involved to the outsourcing business partner.[1]

Although the definition of outsourcing includes both foreign or domestic contracting,[2] the term is sometimes used exclusively referring to the former. The more clear term for this is offshoring, which is described as "a company taking a function out of their business and relocating it to another country," [3] whether the external country is physically offshore or not.
 
2012-07-06 01:41:24 PM  
Forget GM. Obama's labor guy is the head of General Electric. They do such great stuff with paying all of those taxes and not offshoring. It's the awesome.
 
2012-07-06 01:41:28 PM  

s2s2s2: Soup4Bonnie: s2s2s2: It's not outsourcing when they do it, it's inclusisourcing!

It's not outsourcing if Americans don't lose their jobs to foreign workers. It's sort of the whole definition of outsourcing.

Actually, that is not the definition of outsourcing.
"To purchase/subcontract goods/services from an outside supplier or source."


Are they looting pension funds?
 
2012-07-06 01:42:28 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: Soup4Bonnie: s2s2s2: It's not outsourcing when they do it, it's inclusisourcing!

It's not outsourcing if Americans don't lose their jobs to foreign workers. It's sort of the whole definition of outsourcing.

Actually, that is not the definition of outsourcing.
"To purchase/subcontract goods/services from an outside supplier or source."

Are they looting pension funds?


Oops quoted the wrong derp.

It was in response to this:

s2s2s2: Way to invalidate nearly all criticism of Bain.

 
2012-07-06 01:44:19 PM  

Lawnchair: Not yet, anyway. But, my wife's US office recently bought several made-in-Turkey Fords (Transit Connect), so it doesn't seem entirely beyond reason either.


Amusing story about those, illustrating the utter absurdity that is the global car market and tariffs

We recently bought one for a couple of my workers. We wanted one without windows in the back since they often haul around high value stuff like big TV sets. These are really hard to find, which seems odd in a work van.

Except that they aren't vans. They're cars. There is an ancient tariff (from 1963) called the Chicken Tax that slaps a 25% duty on all imported light trucks. For a TC, this would add ~$6k to the price. So when they are assembled in Turkey, the Turks put in rear windows and a rear seat. This makes it a car, not subject to the duty.

When they arrive off the ship over here, Ford takes out the rear seat and they magically become vans. Since the seats would cost a lot to ship back to Turkey, they are simply thrown into an industrial shredder and recycled.

Isn't global commerce grand?
 
2012-07-06 01:44:33 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: No. That is wrong


Sorry. I'll take the dictionary definition over the wiki.

outsource |ˈoutˌsôrs|
verb [ with obj. ]
obtain (goods or a service) from an outside or foreign supplier, esp. in place of an internal source: outsourcing components from other countries | (as noun outsourcing) : outsourcing can dramatically lower total costs.
• contract (work) out or abroad: you may choose to outsource this function to another company or do it yourself.
 
2012-07-06 01:45:34 PM  
I thought Uzbekahekahinieho was insignificant.
 
2012-07-06 01:48:14 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Oops quoted the wrong derp.

It was in response to this:

s2s2s2: Way to invalidate nearly all criticism of Bain.


Sybarite: Yes, I'm outraged that cars manufactured and sold in Asia are profiting an American owned company.


As in Bain Capital
i0.kym-cdn.com
Problem?
 
2012-07-06 01:50:31 PM  

s2s2s2: Soup4Bonnie: No. That is wrong

Sorry. I'll take the dictionary definition over the wiki.


You'll take a highly compressed definition that is, at best, an incomplete paraphrasing of what people actually mean when they use the term?
 
2012-07-06 01:51:44 PM  

s2s2s2: Sorry. I'll take the dictionary definition over the wiki.


Fine.

s2s2s2: from an outside or foreign supplier, esp. in place of an internal source


Please explain how GM is doing this in this instance. They aren't. They are manufacturing in a different country. They have not replaced any internal good or service. GM is still manufacturing in Detroit. Now they also manufacture in Uzebecki-becki-becki-stan. This is not outsourcing. You are wrong. Again.
 
2012-07-06 01:51:54 PM  

s2s2s2: As in Bain Capital
i0.kym-cdn.com
Problem?


Are you under the impression that people people criticized Bain because they somehow had something against the idea of American companies making profits?
 
2012-07-06 01:53:54 PM  

Biological Ali: of what people actually mean


Yeah, that's not how definitions work. When I say outsourcing. But you got hung up on the definition quibble instead of hitting the ball I teed up for you: Asia is really the one outsourcing, in this scenario, am I correct?

Now let's look at what I said, again:

s2s2s2: It's not outsourcing when they do it, it's inclusisourcing!


Maybe you should stop looking for the devil.
 
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