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(940 WINZ)   Fireworks company offers free show to make up for failed July 4th show with a catch: "it only makes up about $125,000 of the roughly $400,000 cost of the event, leaving the city to cover about $275,000"   (940winz.com) divider line 46
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2012-07-06 11:27:29 AM
One epic fail ha ha ha, two epic fail, ha ha ha......
 
2012-07-06 11:28:11 AM
They should have to pay for the whole thing...they screwed up (or at least their computer did) San Diego should NOT
have to pay a dime.
 
2012-07-06 11:28:26 AM
That's not a 'catch'. They are willing to make good their mistake for nothing, which is damn good of them, considering how much it's going to cost them. I don't know what the profit margin on a company like that is, but doing two shows for the price of a single one probably ends up costing them money. They can't necessarily be expected to cover the non-fireworks related expenses. That would be punitive.
 
2012-07-06 11:28:52 AM
That quote in the headline is rather poorly sourced...
 
2012-07-06 11:29:12 AM
Hmm, you can profit from premature ejaculation?
 
2012-07-06 11:30:21 AM

dittybopper: They are willing to make good their mistake for nothing, which is damn good of them, considering how much it's going to cost them


Or you know, San Diego says no, sues them for the 400,000 fully and makes up for it fully.

I say go for the full 400,000...try to make good on things
 
2012-07-06 11:31:56 AM

dittybopper: That's not a 'catch'. They are willing to make good their mistake for nothing, which is damn good of them, considering how much it's going to cost them. I don't know what the profit margin on a company like that is, but doing two shows for the price of a single one probably ends up costing them money. They can't necessarily be expected to cover the non-fireworks related expenses. That would be punitive.


That's why you buy professional liability insurance. There's no doubt that they have more than enough to cover all the costs of a re-do. They might have to do a little legal tango before the insurance company will cough everything up, but in the long-run, they'll pay for the re-do.
 
2012-07-06 11:33:27 AM
I liked the way they did it all at once, and think the fireworks company should bill the city double and screw the do-over.
 
2012-07-06 11:40:08 AM

dittybopper: That's not a 'catch'. They are willing to make good their mistake for nothing, which is damn good of them, considering how much it's going to cost them. I don't know what the profit margin on a company like that is, but doing two shows for the price of a single one probably ends up costing them money. They can't necessarily be expected to cover the non-fireworks related expenses. That would be punitive.


As the joker says, gunpowder is cheap. The expensive part is the labor to carefully pack everything up again. It was pretty funny watching Mike Rowe make some fireworks once (he moved a little fast for the pro).
 
2012-07-06 11:41:53 AM
Who's on the hook for buying new pants for the techies who were still on the barge when the whole thing went up.
 
2012-07-06 11:42:15 AM

Jacobin: I liked the way they did it all at once, and think the fireworks company should bill the city double and screw the do-over.


I tend to agree. You got 400k worth of "Oh shiat, who summoned the elder gods, because that is their portal in the sky" and you get 125k of a conventional show out of the deal. My small down is actually debating if we want to ask the company to purposefully do the San Diego mistake because it kind of looks cooler than watching 45 minutes of serial fireworks. Just tell the company "Do 15 minutes of serial, then fire off whatever you got left".

Also Michigan farkers, 50,000 fireworks are being fired off in Bay City this weekend. 5,000 off the bridge and 45,000 off barges.
 
2012-07-06 11:43:05 AM
What part of free don't these farkers understand? They put on the show and they farked it up. So they shouldn't get paid the original fee much less $275K more.
 
2012-07-06 11:43:24 AM

Vidwiz: They should have to pay for the whole thing...they screwed up (or at least their computer did) San Diego should NOT
have to pay a dime.


No, 400,000 is the cost of everything. Any band that might have played at the event, any transportation offer the public, cleanup of liter, etc. They didn't ruing the entire day long event, they shouldn't have to pay for the entire day long event, just the part they screwed up.
 
2012-07-06 11:44:13 AM
I think it's cool they all went off at once, the kids might have been a little disappointed but I guarantee this is a show they will remember and probably have some good laughs about.

125,00 for a small company is a lot of money, I hope they have insurance to defray the cost of a redo. For a big city though 275,000 is a drop in the bucket, plus if they play their cards right they could turn a profit. I'm sure they would get a lot of publicity for their redo.
 
2012-07-06 11:45:18 AM
Right under the photo it says "Enlarge," like they had to tell me to do that.
 
2012-07-06 11:46:05 AM

dittybopper: That's not a 'catch'. They are willing to make good their mistake for nothing, which is damn good of them, considering how much it's going to cost them. I don't know what the profit margin on a company like that is, but doing two shows for the price of a single one probably ends up costing them money. They can't necessarily be expected to cover the non-fireworks related expenses. That would be punitive.


Too bad. Its not the city's fault that the fireworks's company high-tech computer set it all off early. That is all on the fireworks company, PERIOD. San Diego should tell them to go piss up a rope.
 
2012-07-06 11:50:47 AM

84Charlie: San Diego should tell them to go piss up a rope.


And slap them with a Subpoena.
 
2012-07-06 11:53:17 AM
Big 4th of July celebrations have costs that go way beyond fireworks. There was probably entertainment on the ground, porta-potties, extra police on duty, extra parking enforcement, litter cleanup, whatever arrangements they made with vendors to provide utility hookups, etc. Putting on the show again is going to just put the city on the hook to cover all those costs again. At the very least, the company should pay that 125k to the city in cash, so the city can decide whether to put the money towards recouping costs, or to hire a competent fireworks company.
 
2012-07-06 11:58:44 AM

84Charlie: Too bad. Its not the city's fault that the fireworks's company high-tech computer set it all off early. That is all on the fireworks company, PERIOD. San Diego should tell them to go piss up a rope.


Garden State Fireworks appears to be a decent sized company. They operate throughout North America and have done some big ticket events. However I have no idea what the profit margin is on a fireworks display and if that company has the money on hand. So even if you sue them, win, and get attorney fees to boot it could be difficult to recover. All you could succeed in doing is forcing them into bankruptcy. That leaves you with whatever you and other creditors get out of the court ordered liquidation, no fireworks, and lost money.

Secondly the fireworks company did not perform in bad faith. They clearly supplied the materials and the techs. There was a mistake when the techs were wiring everything up/setting up their computers that caused the mistake. The company is also willing to spot you a redo. Going after them for even more money is only going to give your city a shiatty reputation with contractors and cause them to either not bid on your jobs or else always bid more (the "annoying customer fee").

It's a much better investment to just call the police out for another night, pay them OT to direct crowds, and get another show out of the deal. Plus your citizens get something to talk about. Trying to crucify a service provider (who is attempting to make right) over a glitch is only going to harm the city.

/on a small town council
//all the various guys that provide services to local governments talk and they know who avoid/charge more
 
2012-07-06 12:17:10 PM
The City of San Diego hired Garden State Fireworks to do a firework show for $125,000. Garden State screwed it up, so they offered to do it for free.

The City of San Diego didn't hire them to do security, or traffic control, or run extra buses or trolley, or clean up afterwards, etc, etc.
All that stuff costs $275,000. (Maybe that figure also includes the stuff earlier in the day that wouldn't be repeated, like some Farkers have said)
 
2012-07-06 12:20:37 PM
One of my former clients http://www.fireworksamerica.com/ happensds to be located right in San Diego.

So much stupidity!
 
2012-07-06 12:23:12 PM

meanmutton: dittybopper: That's not a 'catch'. They are willing to make good their mistake for nothing, which is damn good of them, considering how much it's going to cost them. I don't know what the profit margin on a company like that is, but doing two shows for the price of a single one probably ends up costing them money. They can't necessarily be expected to cover the non-fireworks related expenses. That would be punitive.

That's why you buy professional liability insurance. There's no doubt that they have more than enough to cover all the costs of a re-do. They might have to do a little legal tango before the insurance company will cough everything up, but in the long-run, they'll pay for the re-do.


The real problem is that the pyrotechnics are not the big cost driver here. it's things like extra police for the even, OT for the fire companies you have to keep on standby, Parks and rec to do trash pick-up afterwards etc etc, and those costs , since the fireworks company doesn't usually pay them, aren't going to be covered by their insurance.
 
2012-07-06 12:26:17 PM
The short show probably saved the city thousands in Lee Greenwood royalties alone!
 
2012-07-06 12:27:54 PM
Dosent sound very free to me
 
2012-07-06 12:46:43 PM
Really subby? A Miami link about a San Diego thing?

Read the San Diego article, where it says that the costs don't come from the city of San Diego, but rather through sponsors....such as hotels and restaurants, who stand to gain a lot more than they spent through business.

They'll do it again, they'll get people to come again, and through all the notoriety there will be more people who will want to see it.

In the end, the City of San Diego will likely make more money.

I'd bet they will do it on Labor Day.
 
2012-07-06 12:51:22 PM

Magorn: The real problem is that the pyrotechnics are not the big cost driver here. it's things like extra police for the even, OT for the fire companies you have to keep on standby, Parks and rec to do trash pick-up afterwards etc etc, and those costs , since the fireworks company doesn't usually pay them, aren't going to be covered by their insurance.


I bet San Diego has other nights they encourage people to come down to the bay front and shop, eat, etc. Or they have some kind of "Get Downtown" event. Just schedule the fireworks for that night. You already have the local services called out to cover the crowds, so the city only has to cover the direct support of the fireworks which are minimal since it is a barge out at sea (as opposed to launching from a grassy field). It's not a huge extra cost and you can write it off as tourism (and recoup some of the cost from the extra sales tax you'll make that night).

This is anecdotal, but when my town does the fireworks at the park we normally see a 3k to 5k dollar profit overall. Pretty standard, bands during the day, a Patriotic marching band concert as the sunsets, movie projected on the screen, and then fireworks. We charge a couple bucks for parking that day and let the local restaurants and microbreweries set up stands there in exchange for an outdoor vending permit fee and we get a small cut of the action. It's mostly aimed to cover the costs and extra some money from non locals who come for the show (if you live in the town you get mailed a parking pass for one vehicle). We'd likely welcome this kind of farkup. You know a lot of people are showing up for the next show to see if the company has another train wreck. As I said upthread we're kind of debating if we want to do the "Eye of Sauron" as one person called it. See if that differentiates us from the other local shows and gets us more traffic.

/the fire chief appeared to have a heart attack at the idea of "lets set them off all at once and see what happens"
//he's in the "hell no" camp on this one
 
2012-07-06 12:58:37 PM
At least they got the math right.
 
2012-07-06 01:00:02 PM
Why is it necessary to do it again? The video of the fireworks was pretty cool. Everyone that was there can just remember the time when the fireworks all went off simultaneously. Big deal.
 
2012-07-06 01:05:46 PM
They should do what companies that fail to meet their obligations are usually required to do - make it right or refund the city's money. It's not the city's fault the pyrotechs farked up.

If I hired a contractor to build me a house and it burned down halfway through construction after a worker forgot to put a cigarette out, they'd either rebuild it or give me my money back so I could pay someone else to do it (and pay me for the apartment I had to rent in the meantime).
 
2012-07-06 01:06:51 PM
If I ran the company I would redo the show but start with an ENORMOUS opening salvo, wait a FEW moments then proceed with the regular show, just to watch everyone freak, again!
 
2012-07-06 01:08:52 PM

ha-ha-guy: Magorn: The real problem is that the pyrotechnics are not the big cost driver here. it's things like extra police for the even, OT for the fire companies you have to keep on standby, Parks and rec to do trash pick-up afterwards etc etc, and those costs , since the fireworks company doesn't usually pay them, aren't going to be covered by their insurance.

I bet San Diego has other nights they encourage people to come down to the bay front and shop, eat, etc. Or they have some kind of "Get Downtown" event. Just schedule the fireworks for that night. You already have the local services called out to cover the crowds, so the city only has to cover the direct support of the fireworks which are minimal since it is a barge out at sea (as opposed to launching from a grassy field). It's not a huge extra cost and you can write it off as tourism (and recoup some of the cost from the extra sales tax you'll make that night).

This is anecdotal, but when my town does the fireworks at the park we normally see a 3k to 5k dollar profit overall. Pretty standard, bands during the day, a Patriotic marching band concert as the sunsets, movie projected on the screen, and then fireworks. We charge a couple bucks for parking that day and let the local restaurants and microbreweries set up stands there in exchange for an outdoor vending permit fee and we get a small cut of the action. It's mostly aimed to cover the costs and extra some money from non locals who come for the show (if you live in the town you get mailed a parking pass for one vehicle). We'd likely welcome this kind of farkup. You know a lot of people are showing up for the next show to see if the company has another train wreck. As I said upthread we're kind of debating if we want to do the "Eye of Sauron" as one person called it. See if that differentiates us from the other local shows and gets us more traffic.

/the fire chief appeared to have a heart attack at the idea of "lets set them off all at once and see what happens ...


Good point. It could be used as a big draw for some other downtown fest.

As my non-profit looks into getting it's own land to stage our "Reginal burn" (think burning man but MUCH smaller) on, we've looked into getting an actual licensed fireworks tech to make the final effigy burn that much more spectacular (currently we use a farm owned by a Vietnam vets MC, and they kindly asked us not to use fireworks owing to PTSD issues among the memebers)

We actually have a volunteer who's previously trained with the Grucci family who could easily get his license, the hard part is the $1million in liability ins state law requires every time you have a display, and having to get a signed okay from the local fire marshall as to your plans and safety perimeter
 
2012-07-06 01:08:54 PM

tylerdurden217: Why is it necessary to do it again?


$$$
 
2012-07-06 01:36:02 PM
What, they didn't have FIRE insurance?
 
2012-07-06 01:40:26 PM
Im sorry, but that's freakin awesome

San Diego Fireworks Video 2012
 
2012-07-06 01:41:13 PM
Ooh this one is in HD

BOOM BOOM HD
 
2012-07-06 01:55:17 PM
Yeah the city could sue them to recover the 400,000.

But a better solution would be to tell the fireworks company 'Ok we will give another 125K next year. You give us a 250K fireworks show and we will make a gazillion in sales tax, permit fees and licensing because we are going to build off the bad publicity'

Got the promotion right here ' Come see San Diego EXPLODE for the July 4th 2013!'
 
2012-07-06 01:56:32 PM

tylerdurden217: Why is it necessary to do it again? The video of the fireworks was pretty cool. Everyone that was there can just remember the time when the fireworks all went off simultaneously. Big deal.


The re-do would be like sitting through a sensual strip tease from someone you've seen naked already. "pop. pop. pop....can we go now!"
 
2012-07-06 01:58:37 PM
Was talking to one of my bosses, he knows the owners, we had a long discussion on the fireworks control systems. Good times.
 
2012-07-06 02:05:52 PM

ha-ha-guy:

I bet San Diego has other nights they encourage people to come down to the bay front and shop, eat, etc. Or they have some kind of "Get Downtown" event. Just schedule the fireworks for that night.


Mexican independence day is only a few months away. There's plenty of people around who would celebrate that.
 
2012-07-06 02:25:16 PM
I keep kicking myself in the sphincter protectors for not going down to see that show. I've seen hundreds of fireworks shows, I'll see dozens more, but I bet I never get to see a 17 minute show go off in 12 seconds. It would be effin awesome.

I like where part of the 400k was for permits. So, San Diego is paying San Diego to get permission to shoot fireworks. Gotta love the gub'mint.

/ hate crowds
// really, really hate 'em
/// promise to shoot em all off at once and I might like crowds a bit more
 
2012-07-06 02:32:05 PM

Strobeguy: But a better solution would be to tell the fireworks company 'Ok we will give another 125K next year. You give us a 250K fireworks show and we will make a gazillion in sales tax, permit fees and licensing because we are going to build off the bad publicity'


That's an idea - have the regular 18-minute show, but use the additional $125K to do another "everything at once" at the end as a finale next year. Who knows, maybe it'll end up being popular enough to merit doing it every year thereafter.
 
2012-07-06 04:54:11 PM
I don't understand that headline quote. But I try. The fireworks company will do a free show sometime before the next 4th of July. If the city wanted to do a complete repeat of whatever entertainment/decorations etc they had in place for the July 4th festivities, it costs $275000. If the city just wanted to have fireworks only, they still have to have some police crowd control and so there's no real way to just get another "free" fireworks show without the city having to pay more money. I think.
 
2012-07-06 06:45:18 PM
Everything in this city is like that. Go to a restaurant, crappy service. Go to a business meeting; nobody cares. Try to get someone in your office to do a good job and they'll whine to HR that you're harassing them. Nobody wants to work here, they just want everyone else to do everything for them. Don't mention personal responsibility because that's a capital offense here. Seriously, they'd rather be angry and mean and hateful instead of just talking to each other and resolving problems themselves. "That's why the government's here."

City of babies mewling for their mommy's tit.
 
2012-07-06 07:38:59 PM

WhoGAS: City of babies mewling for their mommy's tit.


To be fair to us Sandy Eggins, have you seen such quality mommy teats anywhere else?

/ mewl for that set
// that one too
/// oh my, another one
//// this ain't no Jersey Shore
 
TKM
2012-07-06 09:49:26 PM
Get the Navy EOD guys to do the WALL O' FIRE before the re-do.

Cheap and very, very cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPq1NUZRe28&feature=related
 
2012-07-06 10:44:03 PM
Maybe next time they'll learn to initialize their fire control variables to "0" (ZERO).
 
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