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YixilTesiphon: As I recall there was a program in Britain where homeless individuals were simply asked "what do you need to stop being homeless", and it was generally given to them when reasonable. The program successfully got some people off the streets and came in under budget.

Of course some guys would ask for a Porsche or whatever and that was not given to them, and there's nothing that can be done for crazies short of institutionalization. But it's interesting that we don't ask them what they need to do something different more.

This. So much this. Homelessness has so many different causes and different solutions. It's not one size fits all. Here in my town, we are set to open very soon, a place that connects folks with needs to organizations that provide them. It's going to have a homeless shelter where people can sleep, a food bank, social service volunteers to help them fill out paperwork to get gov't services and connect them with charities and agencys and individuals that do things like medical and dental care and education and employment and whatever else they might need most. The community here is really very generous. Homelessness and poverty seem like huge daunting problems we can't take on as a big chunk. But when it gets posted that a family needs firewood to keep warm, we can muster together enough to keep them warm all winter. Or when an old lady needs a window a/c unit to be able to sleep in the cool, we rustle one up. Or when a family doesn't have running water, a couple hundred bucks to get them turned back on again doesn't seem to hard to pool together. Or a disabled person could get to work if they had a bus pass or repair for their broken down handi-equipped van, both come quickly when the word of the need gets out. We do need big expensive new improvements in things like more beds at the State Hospital for the folks that need serious full time treatment. But there's a lot of folks that need relatively little things that we already have things already in place to provide or that folks would gladly chip in if they knew it would make that big difference.

gshepnyc
netcentric: "When did we forget the lessons we learn as kids?"


You seem to not know wtf you are talking about....
What the hell does 'don't play with matches' and 'never piss on the electric fence'
have to do with nasty homeless people ?

/moran

How about be thankful for what you've got, the world does not revolve around you, you can't have your stuff and everyone else's too, be good to people less well-off than yourself, think about others now and then, sharing is not just a nice thing to do it is often necessary, etc.?

Spare us the holier than thou crap.

No one said do nothing for them, FishyFred nailed it with the Boobies. Give to homeless shelters if you can afford it, or food banks. Volunteer if that is what you want to do. But don't give them money on the street. This short term help doesn't address the problem and may actually in the long run give them the allusion that they can make it on the street. And, yeah, it does detract from the general atmosphere of living in the city. The goal is to make them part of the mainstream if they are truly homeless or get them help if they are mentally impaired. Intentions are worthless, results are what matters.

I am woken up multiple times on recyclables night by people rummaging through the trash. Some of them pick through the garbage carefully, but many of them spread it all over leaving a big mess on the sidewalk. The bathrooms in the public libraries are locked and require going to the front desk and asking for a key. There are standing puddles of something in the metro station elevators. And its not water. Judging by the smell, someone needs to see a nephrologist. We don't let animals run around and urinate everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if a large portion of shoplifting proceeds end up being panhandled.

The homeless need housing and treatment programs. Giving them free food in parks is incentivizing them to the stay out of the system. If you were some cranky asshole alcoholic vet, would you want to go to a treatment program and talk about your feelings? No, but that's exactly what they need. Then you hear about their frozen corpse being dug out of a dumpster after a January cold snap. But good thing some kind hearted hipster gave them a hot bowl of soup 24 hours before.

Buffalo77: This short term help doesn't address the problem and may actually in the long run give them the allusion that they can make it on the street.

I'll chip in $5 to help teach you the difference between illusions and allusions.

ComicBookGuy: How "Christian" of them..

Get your dumb ass kid off the computer.

The homeless need housing and treatment programs. Giving them free food in parks is incentivizing them to the stay out of the system.

What system? Seriously, go talk to the local shelters and soup kitchens. They're overwhelmed.

Hell, go talk to the organizations doing the park feedings. They do it because they don't have the money to rent space indoors.

If the economy continues its downward spiral a lot of these bootstrappy types are gonna be in for a nasty surprise. They'll chase out the shelters and food programs just in time to discover that they themselves need them. The statistics on Americans living paycheck to paycheck are frightening.

factoryconnection: But seriously, legislating away the rights for organized, charitable organizations to feed hungry people? Ugh.

They didn't ban that. The said those organizations had to follow the same health codes as any other kitchen. Lunch trucks -- you know, mobile kitchens which serve people food outdoors -- are already held to the same laws, and seem to exist anyway.

I think we got this covered. Least for Philly.

I just found out the group 'Occupy Guitarmy' has left Philly on a walk to NYC.
Whew.... just in time. This should do the trick.

"....Jason McGaughey said he hoped to attract the attention of working people who were not free to walk along the road for a week as the band of musical marchers passed through their cities. Asked why he was marching, he said, "Things are so messed up in this country that they're going to take years to fix."

Theo Talcott is taking a week off from his organic farming in Vermont to march. "I hope we make some kind of artistic statement about making a better world," he said. "I hope it's really fun. I hope I don't get run over."


/so messed up
//artistic statement foward

bogey: If the economy continues its downward spiral a lot of these bootstrappy types are gonna be in for a nasty surprise. They'll chase out the shelters and food programs just in time to discover that they themselves need them. The statistics on Americans living paycheck to paycheck are frightening.

Indeed. I think one reason that some people are so bitter agains the poor is that they want to dehumanize them. If they dehumanize the homeless, you see, they can pretend it couldn't happen to them.

Having lived in 3 major cities, I have encountered lots of different types of homeless people. Those who seem to think they are all either mentally ill, substance abusers, or just down on their luck are missing a major portion of fakers, scam artists, and career homeless. It isn't the exception either. Here's a list of homeless (I'm sure I'm not covering them all):

1) The mentally ill - these are actually not quite as common as people seem to think. They usually stick out and thus are memorable, but for every 1 of these, you have a shiatload more of the other types of homeless. These homeless should be avoided as they can be dangerous. Really they should be institutionalized, but we all know why they aren't.

2) The vets - these guys are typically nice and will often times just be passing through town. A lot of them seem to have alcohol problems, but for the most part they're not scary or a nuisance.

3) The street kids. Street kids aren't really homeless in the sense that they could go back to their parents homes if they wanted to. A lot of them have chosen to be homeless because they were sick of living under their parents' rules. Some of them might even be rich kids who wanted to have some fun for awhile. They can be dangerous, but generally aren't. Most of them just want to do drugs and go to raves or whatever it is they do these days. Occasionally you get some runaways who actually had abusive families and those I feel bad for, but the others brought it on themselves to extend the party. I knew far too many of these when I was a teenager.

4) Career homeless - these guys are the ones you see outside your drugstore, work, apartment building, etc. every time you come and go. Most of them aren't really homeless, although it might simply be that they live in Section 8 so they're a step up from being homeless - but that's also because they don't want to spend a lot of money on a real place because this is how they grew up and they are career homeless. PS, these guys make A LOT of money if they are in high traffic areas. These guys are actually broken down into 2 categories.

a) There are the ones who are nice guys who will always be very pleasant to you - they basically act like Walmart Greeters and hold the door open for you and whatnot and always remember you. It doesn't matter how much money you give them, they'll still be there the next day running the same game. At least they're nice guys.

b) Then there are the scam artists. These guys aren't very nice, but they are very persistent and will maybe appear nice at first, but then will try and take you for all that you've got if you do open your wallet. Of course there are different types of scam artists. There are those pretending to need money to feed their children or pretending they ran out of gas in a tough neighborhood, and then there are just those who run the daily scams like finding people's CTA passes and then offering to pay your way into the subway if you just give them the cost of the fare instead of feeding it into the machine. These guys can be dangerous or scary if you refuse them, especially if you have given to them before.

5) Famous homeless. These guys usually have a gimmick that gets them a lot of money. Much like the friendly greeter types, these guys are nice and will always be in the same spot. They will often times overlap with street performers as they will usually find some sort of gimmick, whether it be a costume or a musical instrument, that will give them attention and get them money.

Those are the primary homeless archetypes. I'm not saying that homeless are bad people or all scammers, but there are a lot of scammers or those who choose to be homeless. I've worked at soup kitchens, shelters, and simply spent a lot of time talking to these people on the street or in parks. Most of them are extremely nice, but a lot of them made a choice at some point that resulted in them being homeless. I will say that it might be a regional thing too because most of what I described are homeless people in Chicago. LA had a totally different type of homeless people and thus far the Seattle area seems to have its own types (although the Seattle ones in the city are somewhat similar to the Chicago ones).

CSB:
There was a homeless guy who used to beg for change every day near my high school. Everyone in school knew him and loved him as he was a very nice guy. The school ended up raising money for him and bought him a home. He disappeared for a couple of months, but then came right back and was there begging every day for money again.

I think we should have work-for-food programs. You want a meal? Cut the grass in the park, clean the litter off the sidewalk, wash some windows at city hall. Clean highways, build houses for habitat for humanity. Hell, maybe they'll pick up a useful skill along the way. Either way, they get food, the city gets work done.

Win/win. Hell, if they're too batshiat crazy to work, use them to scare pigeons away or something.

I'd like to say how surprising it is that so many Farkers clearly read what they wanted in the article and then proceed to pontificate with the parts that support their opinion. That said, the article did say this (rather clearly too):

"In Philadelphia (where this law was passed, the subject of the article), some charity groups have moved to a space near City Hall, equipped with portable toilets and hand-washing stations. The space is being offered by the city as a temporary solution until more indoor meals can be offered."

That hardly seems like the hard-hearted attitude so many of ya'll seem to believe the article conveyed. The city's clearly not trying to foist them off on another town by giving them space near City Hall to do their thing.

I mean, I get it that some people's narrative can't survive in anything less than a persecuted victim atmosphere...but really...try and read (and maybe comprehend) the whole article before condemning it.

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: You'd be shocked how many drunks, lazy dreadlocked raver 20 somethings, and deadbeats turn "homeless" when there are free sandwiches and chips in the park, let alone sitting in the middle of the sidewalk panhandling every 15 feet.

You'd also be shocked at how fast they move along when an actual homeless guys comes along and defends "his" corner.

I'll chime in on this one.

I know several "homeless" people who are in my area who make more than me. They choose to use the services provided by the area charities and they also feel that they are entitled to whetever they can get, as they are the "downtrodden" and should get every chance to get back on their feet. They never notice that they know all the best places to get a free meal in Denver, the best places to "fly a sign" on the corner. They also know where the drugs are sold for the cheapest, which is their main goal when panhandling.
If they spent 20% of the effort they now direct to score drugs or money for drugs and instead tried to get a job, they'd have a killer job and a car and everything they wanted, except for the dugs.
Because when you get down to it, that's what they want: drugs. Not money, not fame, not women. Drugs are the center of their lives.

Buffalo77: gshepnyc
netcentric: "When did we forget the lessons we learn as kids?"


You seem to not know wtf you are talking about....
What the hell does 'don't play with matches' and 'never piss on the electric fence'
have to do with nasty homeless people ?

/moran

How about be thankful for what you've got, the world does not revolve around you, you can't have your stuff and everyone else's too, be good to people less well-off than yourself, think about others now and then, sharing is not just a nice thing to do it is often necessary, etc.?

Spare us the holier than thou crap.

No one said do nothing for them, FishyFred nailed it with the Boobies. Give to homeless shelters if you can afford it, or food banks. Volunteer if that is what you want to do. But don't give them money on the street. This short term help doesn't address the problem and may actually in the long run give them the allusion that they can make it on the street. And, yeah, it does detract from the general atmosphere of living in the city. The goal is to make them part of the mainstream if they are truly homeless or get them help if they are mentally impaired. Intentions are worthless, results are what matters.

Get over yourself. No one is being "holier than thou". This is about laws that make life harder on people who have it hard enough already, laws which are supported by people who have it much easier. If you think that being reminding of that fact is "holier than thou" then you are part of the problem.

Buffalo77: gshepnyc
netcentric: "When did we forget the lessons we learn as kids?"


You seem to not know wtf you are talking about....
What the hell does 'don't play with matches' and 'never piss on the electric fence'
have to do with nasty homeless people ?

/moran

How about be thankful for what you've got, the world does not revolve around you, you can't have your stuff and everyone else's too, be good to people less well-off than yourself, think about others now and then, sharing is not just a nice thing to do it is often necessary, etc.?

Spare us the holier than thou crap.

No one said do nothing for them, FishyFred nailed it with the Boobies. Give to homeless shelters if you can afford it, or food banks. Volunteer if that is what you want to do. But don't give them money on the street. This short term help doesn't address the problem and may actually in the long run give them the allusion that they can make it on the street. And, yeah, it does detract from the general atmosphere of living in the city. The goal is to make them part of the mainstream if they are truly homeless or get them help if they are mentally impaired. Intentions are worthless, results are what matters.

By the way, what do you know about living in a city? You live in Houston.

Bit'O'Gristle: Indoor facilities, Nutter says, also make it easier to connect homeless people with other supportive services.

But many advocates for the homeless are skeptical. "We at the national level see this as a trend much more about restricting activities that really define the homeless experience, person unwilling to work, and sticking out their hands for free shiat. " says Neil Donovan, the executive director of the National Coalition for the Homeless.

Yea, nothing wrong with a "carrot & stick" approach. As long as there are programs to help, on the one hand, then there's nothing wrong with also making it unpleasant/unworkable to continue living outdoors. Cities are not campgrounds.

indylaw: ComicBookGuy: How "Christian" of them..

I'm encouraged to see in places like downtown Orlando that the churches are the ones fighting the city on these "don't feel the homeless" laws.

they want me to feel the homeless? Are these only the Catholic ones and only for the children or what? I probably wouldn't wan't to feel any of them as I doubt they get to bathe very often.

Trance354: If they spent 20% of the effort they now direct to score drugs or money for drugs and instead tried to get a job, they'd have a killer job and a car and everything they wanted, except for the dugs.
Because when you get down to it, that's what they want: drugs. Not money, not fame, not women. Drugs are the center of their lives.

I see a solution to this problem: drugs are generally cheap to synthesize (from a simple technical perspective). Just let the gov't give anyone a kilogram of whatever they want (at cost -- probably a few bucks or less). Problem should solve itself pretty quickly...

/not that this solution hasn't been proposed before...

So, during this "Daily Living Ban", only zombies can roam the streets??

factoryconnection: SphericalTime: . . . uh, because banning eating outdoors will somehow magically create indoor places for homeless people to eat? What a dumb idea.

Nutter's statement in this article seems so reasonable, so genuine... but assumes this false dichotomy where allowing feeding in parks and whatever somehow bans indoor food kitchens and whatnot. I get it: nobody wants the homeless in their city, near their homes, near their businesses and tourist attractions. If people are going to serve food to other people, there need to be hygiene and safety regulations.

But seriously, legislating away the rights for organized, charitable organizations to feed hungry people? Ugh.

This is a horrible law. Since when has the hygene or the safety of the homeless or the "home-ful" ever been at risk due to these practices?

This is just a blatent attempt by cash-strapped local city governments to throw the homeless under a bus. Just so tourists with deep pockets don't have to have their conscious harmed while visiting your crap-hole of a city.

Screw these guys. I hope they get run over.

PillsHere: PillsHere: CSB:
There was a homeless guy who used to beg for change every day near my high school. Everyone in school knew him and loved him as he was a very nice guy. The school ended up raising money for him and bought him a home. He disappeared for a couple of months, but then came right back and was there begging every day for money again.

CSB: There was this older black dude, James, who lived in an abandoned line shack that stood in an overgrown section behind the men's dorms of my university. This was back when the drinking age was 18 for beer and wine and 21 for liquor. James was something of an institution on campus as he provided a service for a fee: for $2 a bottle, he'd go to the liquor store and buy whatever you wanted. Remember, this was when gasoline was 48 cents a gallon, so that was a pretty good living. On a football weekend, he could easily make $300 he once told me. Most weekends he made between $50 and $75. If you were having a party, the first thing you planned was finding James and asking him to make a run.

And James was not a bum. He came into the dorm every morning and used the common bathroom to clean up and get ready for the day. You'd walk in and there he'd be, shaving or brushing his teeth after a shower, just another one of the guys. He even came to most of the floor parties and like everyone else took his turn pumping up the keg or complaining when we played anything but R&B on the stereo.

That, to me, was an "alternative lifestyle."

/CSB

The Lawsuit is being brought by The Kings Jubilee www.shoutforjoy.net, a food and clothing ministry that has been serving in Philly for 23 years. They are associated with the Antiochian Orthodox Church, and serve in Logan Square. There are 2 other parties also bringing the lawsuit. The hearing is this monday at 9:30. This ministry is run by those fabled folks we talk about here on Fark, Christians who actually do as Christ instructed. They don't proselytize, they don't make anyone take a bible first. They act as the good Samaritan, being their brothers keepers. Christ said "Go and do likewise" and they do. This mayoral decree is heartbreaking to many of them, and is a gross injustice.

It is one thing when a homeless person approaches you on the street and asks for money. You can, if you don't feel like giving any that day, lie and say you have no money. But one day something happened to me that I felt was way beyond the pale.

I was standing in line at a Golden Arches one day to get a Big Mac, minding my own business. Then it was my turn to be served. I pulled out my wallet, opened it, and asked for my burger. The moment I had paid I felt someone leaning very close behind me. I turned to see a man in raggedly clothes behind me, literally peering over my shoulder into my wallet, who asked me, "Have you got any money?"

I was pissed off, as he had found a way to make it impossible for me to lie to him. After all, he had just seen that I DID have money. I gave him some but only because I was worried about what he might do if I told him no.

I have never had that happen again, and I hope this money requesting technique never catches on, as it was one of the most manipulative and cold things I have ever had done to me.

ocschwar: Homelessness is a symptom for a number of issues such as substance abuse and mental illness. It should be treated and addressed not ignored.

You have the funds to hospitalize the schizophrenics and addicts?

Great! Go for it.

You don't? Then don't get in the way of the people trying to help these unfortunates stay alive.

The question I want to poise is are you doing them a favor by helping them stay alive? Their lives absolutely suck. I mean completely farking miserable. Like being in hell every day. And the sad thing is, a good many are beyond help. Sure, you can treat some, but most will not have any kind of normal life, or anything resembling a quality existence. At that point, are you keeping them alive for them our are you keeping them alive out of a misguided sense that life is somehow a magical and sacred thing that should be preserved no matter what?

I think we ned to really help the ones we can with better mental health and substance abuse and halfway house programs, but I think we also bed to acknowledge that keeping all homeless people alive without regard to their prognosis is bad for society and downright cruel to the homeless.

El Brujo: Fear the Clam: El Brujo: I just learned about these things in my city called Urban Rest Stops

Sounds like a place to find glory holes.

If it's glory holes that you're after, I'm pretty sure you can just head up to the gay neighborhood and be swimmin' in (non-homeless) cock and glory holes-a-plenty.

But if it's homeless cock you crave I bet there are some beggars who will show you theirs for a pack of smokes. They might let you go down on them for some cash, also.



I live in a gayborhood, and we have more than our fair share of panhandlers due to the proximity of weekend traffic/clubs/bars etc.

They can be very aggressive. I have been approached multiple times, even had a guy whip out his dong right there on the street as I was walking home.

gshepnyc: These laws to make life tougher on the people who live outside and have nothing are made for the convenience of people who live inside and have (comparatively) everything. At some point those of us who are well off need to STFU and stop being so dickishly resentful of the poor.

When did we forget the lessons we learn as kids? It's not the poor who think they are entitled to have absolutely everything - it's the well-off. Yeah, you own or rent a nice apartment and you work hard to live well in the city. That doesn't give you control of everything else, too. Be thankful you have a roof and a door and four walls and shut up.

But didn't you know that wealth signifies good character and high moral standing? If someone isn't wealthy, it's simply because they are lazy. That's the American myth I was brought up with, and I won't have it any other way.

Brytanica1: El Brujo: Fear the Clam: El Brujo: I just learned about these things in my city called Urban Rest Stops

Sounds like a place to find glory holes.

If it's glory holes that you're after, I'm pretty sure you can just head up to the gay neighborhood and be swimmin' in (non-homeless) cock and glory holes-a-plenty.

But if it's homeless cock you crave I bet there are some beggars who will show you theirs for a pack of smokes. They might let you go down on them for some cash, also.



I live in a gayborhood, and we have more than our fair share of panhandlers due to the proximity of weekend traffic/clubs/bars etc.

They can be very aggressive. I have been approached multiple times, even had a guy whip out his dong right there on the street as I was walking home.

Did you suck it?

I've heard that the homeless can be turned into a tasty, tasty snack.

El Brujo: Brytanica1: El Brujo: Fear the Clam: El Brujo: I just learned about these things in my city called Urban Rest Stops

Sounds like a place to find glory holes.

If it's glory holes that you're after, I'm pretty sure you can just head up to the gay neighborhood and be swimmin' in (non-homeless) cock and glory holes-a-plenty.

But if it's homeless cock you crave I bet there are some beggars who will show you theirs for a pack of smokes. They might let you go down on them for some cash, also.



I live in a gayborhood, and we have more than our fair share of panhandlers due to the proximity of weekend traffic/clubs/bars etc.

They can be very aggressive. I have been approached multiple times, even had a guy whip out his dong right there on the street as I was walking home.

Did you suck it?


Ok, you just made me laugh. :)

No,

He wasn't my type.


Also, as he whipped it out he said and I quote "I have a really awesome penis" and I just started hysterically laughing at him, which he did not appreciate.

theMightyRegeya: Magorn: Good, bums are parasites that just make things worse for everyone else.

If you want to have some fun find a dude with a "work for food" sign and offer him minimum wage + a meal to haul brush for 6 hours. And suddenly the floodgates of excuses open as to all the reasons he can't do the work, but could you please give money anyway.

Funny, that's not been my real world experience (as opposed to your scenario which exists only in your head)

I worked at a place for 11 years that was right next to some railroad tracks. This is how it works most of the time; they ask for money, but they want it for, you know, stuff. Offers of money for work: no. Offers of food instead of money: no. Finding the same bum's drunk ass asleep behind the building when I would do a 2 a.m. "hey we're trying to put out the newspaperpaper and can't reach the fileserver but couldn't be bothered to spend 30 seconds looking for the clearly unplugged Ethernet switch that the dumbass cleaning crew unplugged to run the vacuum" run to work: yes.

It's not just in someone's weird fantasies. These people need help, and rarely get it. When you try to point them toward the people who can help them, expect massive amounts of pushback.

/plus, some people like being hobos

As someone who spent 3 months as a homeless man, I can concur that this is absolutely true. I love these threads, with all the folks theorizing about the "homeless community" etc etc...

The fact is that much of the homeless population enjoys the "free life" of being accountable to no man, foraging for food and drink as best they can. It's the most independant existence they can manage, and works fine. Simple pleasures like cigarettes and beer and literally all they need to get by. Soup kitchens take care of the food issue.

Rough breakdown of the community:

25-35% hardcore drug addicts (having a home and/or life is obviously secondary to the addiction - mostly crack & meth)
10-15% clinically insane dudes (most regular homeless people shun the crazy mumblers)
10-20% people having a breakdown, sudden total financial loss, gambling issues, or fugitives (otherwise normal folks, like me)
40-50% "hobos" - i.e. people who live the vagabond lifestyle, most are also alcoholics, but it's secondary to the primary desire to live the free life.

Odd note: the homeless I knew had utter disdain for those who "fly a sign" (those dudes who stand by the interstate with a cardboard sign) That is considered "having a job", and is not a respectable option for most (it's begging). Many of the "sign flyers" are not actually homeless people (as they can afford cheap apartments, flophouses etc, as flying a sign can generate good income). In Salt Lake City (where I did my tour) NONE of the "sign flyers" even showed up to any of the free meal places, as they could all get food elsewhere. Nor did they stay in any of the shelters. It was the strangest discovery I made as one of the low.

Now I sit at a desk job in an office that looks over the Boca Ciega bay in Florida...my road has been interesting to say the least.

johan heggs tiny man nipples: This ministry is run by those fabled folks we talk about here on Fark, Christians who actually do as Christ instructed.

Funny, they seem remarkably averse to rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

\You're looking at a Pharisee, son.

OldManDownDRoad:
My grandmother had the same rule during the Great Depression, when people often showed up at her door looking for food. Her standing offer was "split enough firewood for tonight's cook fire and you can join us for dinner. Split enough wood for tomorrow and you can sleep in the barn and join us for breakfast."

It was also how she defined these folks -
People who split wood: hobos.
People who refused: bums.

She once mentioned that she never had a black man turn down that offer. Make of that what you will.

They were probably thinking any whites who let a black man eat with them in the 30's were obviously good folks and would treat a hobo decently. It was probably extra rough for black hobos because a lot of racist people would have generally run them off on sight, or worse.

Brytanica1: El Brujo: Brytanica1: El Brujo: Fear the Clam: El Brujo: I just learned about these things in my city called Urban Rest Stops

Sounds like a place to find glory holes.

If it's glory holes that you're after, I'm pretty sure you can just head up to the gay neighborhood and be swimmin' in (non-homeless) cock and glory holes-a-plenty.

But if it's homeless cock you crave I bet there are some beggars who will show you theirs for a pack of smokes. They might let you go down on them for some cash, also.



I live in a gayborhood, and we have more than our fair share of panhandlers due to the proximity of weekend traffic/clubs/bars etc.

They can be very aggressive. I have been approached multiple times, even had a guy whip out his dong right there on the street as I was walking home.

Did you suck it?


Ok, you just made me laugh. :)

No,

He wasn't my type.


Also, as he whipped it out he said and I quote "I have a really awesome penis" and I just started hysterically laughing at him, which he did not appreciate.

I'm going to start using that line, whenever a girl ventures down into that region, because although I think it is absolutely NOT an awesome specimen, perhaps I can alter reality with a verbalized lie. Perhaps not, though.

theolinc: bums in detroit are rude and pushy but they're still the nicest people around

Most of them are actually pretty nice. What just about kills me is that they want to talk to someone as much (or more) than they want a couple of bucks. So I always have some favorites I take care of. Generally they're people who couldn't work even if they wanted to.

Do you know the way to Mordor: I was pissed off, as he had found a way to make it impossible for me to lie to him.


Why lie when a simple "Get the fark away from me" would work?

This text is now purple: johan heggs tiny man nipples: This ministry is run by those fabled folks we talk about here on Fark, Christians who actually do as Christ instructed.

Funny, they seem remarkably averse to rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

\You're looking at a Pharisee, son.

I'm not even a christian but what you said there is dumb, son.

robbiex0r: 13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, 15 as it is written: "The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little."

2 Corinthians 8

If a man will not work, he shall not eat" (2 Thess 3:10).

Do you know the way to Mordor: I was pissed off, as he had found a way to make it impossible for me to lie to him. After all, he had just seen that I DID have money. I gave him some but only because I was worried about what he might do if I told him no.

I had a similar experience, and it pissed me off. If I don't want to give, looking them in the eye and saying "I can't help you" tends to work well. Keeping a couple of bucks in a separate pocket is also good. There are plenty of times you don't want to show your whole wad.