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2012-07-06 09:53:25 AM
iPod.

iPhone also makes calls.
 
2012-07-06 09:54:59 AM
Also, wasn't there a 7" and 10" iPad in the first round of revs?
 
2012-07-06 10:51:52 AM
iWhatever - just buy it, you know you're going to.
 
2012-07-06 10:52:14 AM

unlikely: Also, wasn't there a 7" and 10" iPad in the first round of revs?


lolwut
 
2012-07-06 10:52:57 AM
 
zez
2012-07-06 10:53:05 AM
Personally, I can't wait for Apple to invent the 7" tablet. Someone has to do it sometime.
 
2012-07-06 10:58:12 AM

unlikely: iPod.

iPhone also makes calls.


You must be either on Verizon or Sprint.
 
2012-07-06 10:58:57 AM
Is this the thread where morons think a 3.5" iPod touch is basically the same size as a 7 or 8 inch tablet?
 
2012-07-06 11:07:11 AM
I'm sure it will still be priced higher and offer less than any tablet it is trying to compete with.

They will sell millions...
 
2012-07-06 11:09:04 AM
Wait, isn't that pretty much called an iPhone?

No. They said "cheaper"
 
2012-07-06 11:31:13 AM
ooooooooh, shiny!
 
2012-07-06 11:31:53 AM
Tech pundits have said this ever since the iPad was release. And every time Apple tells the world "NO". They have looked at the problem, and a smaller screen is a) not cheaper and b) not practical. If you want something to fit in your pocket, you buy either an iPhone or iPod Touch. If you want a tablet, you buy an iPad. Anything bigger, and you really want a laptop.
 
2012-07-06 11:36:33 AM
I thought this year was supposed to be the iBoard? Then the iMat in 2014.

ggsoku.com
 
2012-07-06 11:45:20 AM
I have a kindle fire and an iphone so I'm getting a kick.

I really feel that the size factor on the ipad makes it slightly too big for reading. With the Fire I can hold it with one hand and still be able to turn pages with a thumb tap. I couldn't do tht on my friend's ipad.

OTOH I barely ever see anybody using their iPad/fire/nexus/wahtever to read, and I've been traveling for work a lot this year.

Funny part is, I just wanted a boring regular kindle, but my wife went all-out and got me the Fire for valentine's day.

I still hear good things about the nook with its SD card slot for storage.

Reading Caliban's War right now, not as good as Leviathan Wakes so far.
 
2012-07-06 11:45:57 AM
It's the Kindle killer??
 
2012-07-06 11:47:05 AM

Evil Twin Skippy: Tech pundits have said this ever since the iPad was release. And every time Apple tells the world "NO". They have looked at the problem, and a smaller screen is a) not cheaper and b) not practical. If you want something to fit in your pocket, you buy either an iPhone or iPod Touch. If you want a tablet, you buy an iPad. Anything bigger, and you really want a laptop.


Why would I want something as big as an iPad? They're way bigger than what I want. My Kindle Fire is exactly the right size for me.
 
2012-07-06 11:48:44 AM

mcreadyblue: It's the Kindle killer??


The problem with the Kindle Fire is that it does take way more time and effort for the average user to get rid of the stupid launcher and add in Firefox and a few other key apps (HBO Go is a particular pain).
 
2012-07-06 12:11:16 PM
Hey, if you need one or something, great. I never really felt the need for an iPad. I have a smartphone (HTC Evo), an iPod Touch, and a Toshiba laptop for portable devices. No "Hipster" comment intended. Honestly just never felt the need for an iPad. I think it would be a toy I would get tired of or stop using because I have other devices which do the same thing the iPad can do, but better.

To each their own.
 
2012-07-06 12:12:30 PM
iPod Touch

unlikely: iPod.

iPhone also makes calls.


I can make Skype calls from an iPad or iPod Touch. Want to try Fring one day.
 
2012-07-06 12:15:53 PM

zez: Personally, I can't wait for Apple to invent the 7" tablet. Someone has to do it sometime.


Rim would like to have a word
/Didn't say it was any good though.
 
2012-07-06 12:15:58 PM

meanmutton: mcreadyblue: It's the Kindle killer??

The problem with the Kindle Fire is that it does take way more time and effort for the average user to get rid of the stupid launcher and add in Firefox and a few other key apps (HBO Go is a particular pain).


Fortunately, there are several alternatives to Kindle in the 7" tablet market, and all around the same price. Plus, better hardware.
 
2012-07-06 12:19:59 PM

Evil Twin Skippy: Tech pundits have said this ever since the iPad was release. And every time Apple tells the world "NO". They have looked at the problem, and a smaller screen is a) not cheaper and b) not practical. If you want something to fit in your pocket, you buy either an iPhone or iPod Touch. If you want a tablet, you buy an iPad. Anything bigger, and you really want a laptop.


I don't want something that fits in my pocket. I want something that fits in my purse. A 7inch tablet does. An Ipad does not.

/have not graduated to old lady purses yet.
 
2012-07-06 12:23:49 PM

mcreadyblue: It's the Kindle killer??


The new Nexus 7 from Google is the Kindle and other 7inch "premium" 'driod tablet killer. Its as cheap as the Kindle but not locked to Amazon so the Kindle is in trouble for people who want a cheap 7incher and to live ouside of Amazons eco-system. Then look at £160 for the Nexus 7 (8gig) vs £200 for the Galaxy Tab 2 (8 gig).


The 7 inch form factor is great as its sits nicley between 4 inch smartphones and 10 inch tablets. It all depends on what scale you need screen size and portability.
 
2012-07-06 12:28:10 PM
iQuit
 
2012-07-06 12:32:28 PM

Norfolking Chance: The new Nexus 7 from Google is the Kindle and other 7inch "premium" 'driod tablet killer. Its as cheap as the Kindle but not locked to Amazon


And has absolute top-of-the-line specs for its class, unlike the Fire. And some hope of continued OS refinement.

I'm really, really tempted. A 75-cent MicroSD slot (so I could have several movies and a bunch of music on a long car trip/flight), and I'd have already bought two.
 
2012-07-06 12:39:37 PM
The crappy OS works on the iPhone due to limited screen space.
The crappy OS on iPad is just a crappy OS, restrictive and proprietary.

I'll just buy a tablet/laptop that lets me actually, you know, look at my files.
 
2012-07-06 12:49:46 PM
I have a patend on 7" (diagonal measured ) rectangles with rounded corners, pay up Apple.
 
2012-07-06 12:50:07 PM

Evil Twin Skippy: Tech pundits have said this ever since the iPad was release. And every time Apple tells the world "NO". They have looked at the problem, and a smaller screen is a) not cheaper and b) not practical. If you want something to fit in your pocket, you buy either an iPhone or iPod Touch. If you want a tablet, you buy an iPad. Anything bigger, and you really want a laptop.


4.mshcdn.com

All those arguments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...
 
2012-07-06 12:54:42 PM

meanmutton: mcreadyblue: It's the Kindle killer??

The problem with the Kindle Fire is that it does take way more time and effort for the average user to get rid of the stupid launcher and add in Firefox and a few other key apps (HBO Go is a particular pain).


I've got a Kindle Fire myself, and the UI is pretty horrible, plus the keyboard is a crime against humanity. I tolerated the issues because of the low cost and Amazon Prime instant video streaming, but now I'm really taking a close look at trading it in for a Nexus 7. The only thing is holding me back is waiting to see what the updated Fire is going to look like (hopefully it'll at least have ICS and a better skin).

HBO Go really isn't an issue any more, though. It is in their app store now, so it is a one-click download.
 
2012-07-06 12:54:50 PM

Evil Twin Skippy: Tech pundits have said this ever since the iPad was release. And every time Apple tells the world "NO". They have looked at the problem, and a smaller screen is a) not cheaper and b) not practical. If you want something to fit in your pocket, you buy either an iPhone or iPod Touch. If you want a tablet, you buy an iPad. Anything bigger, and you really want a laptop.


I think the question is would Apple be happy losing the larger screen iPad sales to prevent other players from owning the smaller screen market. I think they weren't worried when it was Nook and Kindle, but now that Google has entered (with huge interest) they might change their mind.
 
2012-07-06 12:56:22 PM

Mad_Radhu: meanmutton: mcreadyblue: It's the Kindle killer??

The problem with the Kindle Fire is that it does take way more time and effort for the average user to get rid of the stupid launcher and add in Firefox and a few other key apps (HBO Go is a particular pain).

I've got a Kindle Fire myself, and the UI is pretty horrible, plus the keyboard is a crime against humanity. I tolerated the issues because of the low cost and Amazon Prime instant video streaming, but now I'm really taking a close look at trading it in for a Nexus 7. The only thing is holding me back is waiting to see what the updated Fire is going to look like (hopefully it'll at least have ICS and a better skin).

HBO Go really isn't an issue any more, though. It is in their app store now, so it is a one-click download.


yea, I've been pretty disappointed in the fire. For reading books and watching movies, its great. Anything else it is pretty crap at.
 
2012-07-06 01:03:52 PM

rikkards: zez: Personally, I can't wait for Apple to invent the 7" tablet. Someone has to do it sometime.

Rim would like to have a word
/Didn't say it was any good though.


I will...I have a Playbook and it does everything I need it to. The initial rollout was terrible but since they upgraded the OS, I love it.
 
2012-07-06 01:07:40 PM

duffman13:
I still hear good things about the nook with its SD card slot for storage.


Got to say that I wasn't expecting much when my fiancee' got one. I was mistaken. Absolutely love the thing now that we have it rooted.

Going to have to check out the Nexus...

That said, for travel, I just use my phone, laptop, and MiFi. Especially with the newer phones having 4" screens, it doesn't make sense to have a 7" unless you do a lot of ebooks, IMO.
 
2012-07-06 01:34:33 PM

Glenford: rikkards: zez: Personally, I can't wait for Apple to invent the 7" tablet. Someone has to do it sometime.

Rim would like to have a word
/Didn't say it was any good though.

I will...I have a Playbook and it does everything I need it to. The initial rollout was terrible but since they upgraded the OS, I love it.


I have one as well and can say the new os is better but I can't wait to see the Google tablet. Here is what I hate:
Lack of ac3 and DTS support so I need to convert everything I have
Keyboard sometimes have issues with fields and is slow. Autocorrect is crap if you miss a space
Browser is slow and clunky
Lack of decent apps (that isn't Rims fault per se)
Lack of ability to play off of a network share.
Stupid power button size

Things I do like:
7" size. Much more convenient size as I watch videos on the bus when commuting
Hardware is pretty good
 
2012-07-06 02:22:17 PM
I bought the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7. Perfect size for commuting and big enough to make it a better experience than my DROID RAZR. Also it's crazy fast, boots up in a couple seconds and I can use it for 80% of the things I used my desktop for at home. Added a 32 GB microSD card for $20. Suck it Apple, why are you copying Samsung's brilliant idea?
 
2012-07-06 02:25:18 PM
This is a repeat from every week since the first iPad came out.
 
2012-07-06 02:32:58 PM

Bschott007: Hey, if you need one or something, great. I never really felt the need for an iPad. I have a smartphone (HTC Evo), an iPod Touch, and a Toshiba laptop for portable devices. No "Hipster" comment intended. Honestly just never felt the need for an iPad. I think it would be a toy I would get tired of or stop using because I have other devices which do the same thing the iPad can do, but better.

To each their own.


I have an iPad that my work bought me. I hardly ever use it, except when I travel, which is seldom. My girlfriend likes it for looking up recipes n stuff on the couch. I do sometimes use it to pull up a map of Chernarus while I'm playing DayZ, so I don't have to alt-tab out of the game to figure out where I am.
 
2012-07-06 02:33:36 PM

Mad_Radhu: Evil Twin Skippy: Tech pundits have said this ever since the iPad was release. And every time Apple tells the world "NO". They have looked at the problem, and a smaller screen is a) not cheaper and b) not practical. If you want something to fit in your pocket, you buy either an iPhone or iPod Touch. If you want a tablet, you buy an iPad. Anything bigger, and you really want a laptop.

[4.mshcdn.com image 600x375]

All those arguments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...


Just pray that Google has cs on par with the shiatty telcos this round.
/They will never have cs like Apple
 
2012-07-06 02:43:49 PM
duffman13: OTOH I barely ever see anybody using their iPad/fire/nexus/wahtever to read, and I've been traveling for work a lot this year.

Regular e-ink kindles (without 3G) are damn cheap now (at least to anyone who can buy a tablet) and are so much better for reading than on a tablet that I figure anyone who was really into reading would have one AND have a tablet.

// if you're willing to put up with screensaver ads, you can get a sponsored one for $80
 
2012-07-06 02:45:14 PM
I love my Fire. It's not perfect but it does everything I need it to.
 
2012-07-06 04:07:34 PM
Katie98_KT
I want something that fits in my purse. A 7inch tablet does. An Ipad does not.

I think most women find seven inches is sufficient, and ten is too much.

/Love my Nook Color
//Spend the extra $50 over the regular Nook tablet. Better hardware
/// No need to root. Just download apk on to my laptop, email to myself, install
 
2012-07-06 04:07:41 PM

Glenford: rikkards: zez: Personally, I can't wait for Apple to invent the 7" tablet. Someone has to do it sometime.

Rim would like to have a word
/Didn't say it was any good though.

I will...I have a Playbook and it does everything I need it to. The initial rollout was terrible but since they upgraded the OS, I love it.


And they are only $119 now.

That's value!
 
2012-07-06 04:16:50 PM

dchurch0: Bschott007: Hey, if you need one or something, great. I never really felt the need for an iPad. I have a smartphone (HTC Evo), an iPod Touch, and a Toshiba laptop for portable devices. No "Hipster" comment intended. Honestly just never felt the need for an iPad. I think it would be a toy I would get tired of or stop using because I have other devices which do the same thing the iPad can do, but better.

To each their own.

I have an iPad that my work bought me. I hardly ever use it, except when I travel, which is seldom. My girlfriend likes it for looking up recipes n stuff on the couch. I do sometimes use it to pull up a map of Chernarus while I'm playing DayZ, so I don't have to alt-tab out of the game to figure out where I am.


She sounds like a keeper.
 
2012-07-06 04:47:01 PM
There is no way Apple is making a 7" tablet. Steve Jobs, their Lord and savior, said there was no market for such a device.

Jobs said it, I believe it, and that settles it.
 
2012-07-06 04:52:47 PM

meanmutton: Why would I want something as big as an iPad? They're way bigger than what I want. My Kindle Fire is exactly the right size for me.


Not everyone can wear Magnums.
 
2012-07-06 05:28:48 PM
Love my Galaxy 7.0+ ! Perfect size and half the price of an iPad. I have 65 iPads at work and hate them all. To big and bulky.
 
2012-07-06 05:41:19 PM
I thought Apple wanted to do away with less choice... No, seriously. Didn't they say that one of the biggest faults of Android was the fracturing that was caused by having too many devices? Jobs wanted to simplify Apple by having as few choices as possible across their desktops, laptops and mobile devices because it made things easier for the customer... what worked on one iPhone model should work the same on another one, unlike Android, where what works on a Galaxy S2 may not work on a Motorola Droid 4, even when they shared the same OS version.

This is the exact thing Jobs wanted to get away from, doing what was trendy instead of making trends, and if Apple isn't setting trends and making something new (yeah, I know... we geeks know that tablets have been around for years, and smartphones the same, but to the general public Apple invented them all and that is why they sell), it is going to fall by the wayside. The fracturing has already started by Apple not updating their 3G and 3GS phones or the iPad 1+2 to the current OS, but now adding in another tablet hardware choice is going to make avoiding fracturing even harder for them.
 
2012-07-06 07:17:21 PM
The market for 7" tablets costing around $200-250 is already glutted with a dozen models from almost as many big names: Lenovo, Amazon, Samsung, Barnes & Noble, soon Google and Microsoft.

What would be Apple's motivation for getting into this already crowded segment?

Apple's already selling refurbed iPad 2's for as little as $359. I wouldn't be surprised if by next model year they bring that model down to $299 new, and then what's the point of going smaller to cut costs?
 
2012-07-06 07:59:09 PM

poot_rootbeer: The market for 7" tablets costing around $200-250 is already glutted with a dozen models from almost as many big names: Lenovo, Amazon, Samsung, Barnes & Noble, soon Google and Microsoft.

What would be Apple's motivation for getting into this already crowded segment?

Apple's already selling refurbed iPad 2's for as little as $359. I wouldn't be surprised if by next model year they bring that model down to $299 new, and then what's the point of going smaller to cut costs?


Because some of us do not want or need a 10 inch tablet. I hate the iPads because of the size of them. I personally have a Galaxy Tab 7+ and love it compared to the 65 iPads I control at work. To bulky in my opinion. The Tab is the perfect size for some browsing while in the chair watching tv. Or managing my VM's at work without need a laptop.
 
2012-07-06 08:01:49 PM

Lawnchair: Norfolking Chance: The new Nexus 7 from Google is the Kindle and other 7inch "premium" 'driod tablet killer. Its as cheap as the Kindle but not locked to Amazon

And has absolute top-of-the-line specs for its class, unlike the Fire. And some hope of continued OS refinement.

I'm really, really tempted. A 75-cent MicroSD slot (so I could have several movies and a bunch of music on a long car trip/flight), and I'd have already bought two.


I have a Fire and zero regrets with having purchased it as I'm totally in bed with Amazon AND just wanted a cheap tablet to watch movies and read books. My one complaint is the storage, and while it's not a massive issue with Amazon's cloud service, the lack of a micro-SD slot was hard to believe.

The Nexus is great, and despite the lack of complaint with the Fire I really would have considered one if it had micro-SD and then just sold off the Fire. Oh well, maybe the Fire 2.
 
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