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(Examiner)   Westboro Baptist plans a protest at a Texas A&M alumni's funeral. Students form a human wall to block them from the church *I've got some dust in my eyes*   (examiner.com) divider line 223
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2012-07-06 01:42:56 AM  
The ad for RON PAUL radio at the end uined what was otherwise a very good article.
 
2012-07-06 02:14:09 AM  
The sooner everyone starts to simply ignore these people the better.


The gay community realized this years ago. So now, WBC is moving on to other targets.

They're attention whores, and trolls. Any attention just feeds them.
 
2012-07-06 07:43:07 AM  
Good.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-07-06 08:13:49 AM  
While ignoring them might work to some degree, the WBC have always found new tactics to employ that allow them to force their message on the rest of us. When the LGBT community ignored them, they started protesting military funerals, for example. If they are ignored there, the WBC will just start protesting children's funerals, or at Little League games (Stealing second base infects little kids with The Ghey, you know), etc.

WBC knows how to push buttons, and if you take one away, they will just push another. And anyway, people of good conscience should not simply ignore Evil when presented with it. Evil such as the WBC should be actively resisted, exposed whenever they crawl out from under their rocks, and not allowed to succeed in any way.
 
2012-07-06 08:20:57 AM  
FTA: "The Westboro Baptist Church protesters never showed up."
 
2012-07-06 08:23:02 AM  
Red rover red rover let Freddy come over.
 
2012-07-06 08:23:14 AM  
Of dead bodies? That's disgusting.
 
2012-07-06 08:24:22 AM  
How do these people get any press? There aren't more than a handful of them.

Every time people make a big deal out of them, they get their message out. Stop giving them attention.
 
2012-07-06 08:24:28 AM  
Classy, cool. But this is still my favorite way of dealing with them:

WBC at 2010 Comic Con
 
2012-07-06 08:26:11 AM  

skodabunny: FTA: "The Westboro Baptist Church protesters never showed up."


That's standard operating procedure these days. The accomplish their goals by just issuing a press release stating they will show up.
 
2012-07-06 08:26:40 AM  
They should build them a bon fire.
wait.
 
2012-07-06 08:27:00 AM  
According to the article, WBC didn't even show up! What a bunch of spineless douchebags. Can't even stick to their attention whoring guns.
 
2012-07-06 08:27:24 AM  
Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.
 
2012-07-06 08:29:45 AM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


It must be terrible to be so persecuted. How do you manage to get up in the morning, all those atheist hands holding you down?
 
2012-07-06 08:30:06 AM  

MmmmBacon: While ignoring them might work to some degree, the WBC have always found new tactics to employ that allow them to force their message on the rest of us. When the LGBT community ignored them, they started protesting military funerals, for example. If they are ignored there, the WBC will just start protesting children's funerals, or at Little League games (Stealing second base infects little kids with The Ghey, you know), etc.



I would love to seem them start protesting Little League games of any sport. Because eventually they'd run into the violently drunk/angry sports dad (you know, the kind that get into fights with other parents or refs/umpires). And no matter how it ends, it would make for an excellent story.
 
2012-07-06 08:31:28 AM  
I've said it before:

What if the WBC's real agenda is to unify communities and to expose the hatemongers within so that local communities know who the shiatbags really are?

/only the fool can tell the truth to the king
 
2012-07-06 08:31:29 AM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


*yawn* If you can't see the difference between religious people quietly saying goodbye to their friend at a funeral, and religious people protesting said funeral because "teh gayz", then you need more help than I thought.
 
2012-07-06 08:32:24 AM  

jayhawk88: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

It must be terrible to be so persecuted. How do you manage to get up in the morning, all those atheist hands holding you down?


I think it's the thumb in his ass/"helping hand" that helps remove his head each day before he puts it right back in.
 
2012-07-06 08:33:06 AM  
They didnt even show up. Jesus, the Aggies can never get anything right.
 
2012-07-06 08:33:58 AM  
Such noble words. The idealism of youth in all its glory.
 
2012-07-06 08:34:36 AM  

gingerjet: skodabunny: FTA: "The Westboro Baptist Church protesters never showed up."

That's standard operating procedure these days. The accomplish their goals by just issuing a press release stating they will show up.




Yep. And silly kids get all up in arms.

And it costs the WBC zero dollars and everone in 3 states is talking about them.

IGNORE THEM EVERYWHERE.
 
2012-07-06 08:36:26 AM  
I have a question for a TFer if one cares to answer. Are there a lot of "dust in my eye", "it's dusty in here" submissions in the queu all the time, or do all of them get pretty much greenlit?

/kinda curious
 
2012-07-06 08:40:00 AM  
I see no Christians in this scenario.
 
2012-07-06 08:40:13 AM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


Some ignorance just goes above and beyond vanilla religion and desperately needs to be met head-on. (Apply to the forehead.) While we oppose the hypocrisy of religion on general, we vehemently oppose those who seek to use religion as a cover for hatred, bigotry, corruption, pedophilia, greed, or any other base action which needs dragging out into the light of day and exposing.
 
2012-07-06 08:41:02 AM  
publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right? Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

fark you and your retarded "y'all." Is that better?
 
2012-07-06 08:41:27 AM  

Pontious Pilates: According to the article, WBC didn't even show up! What a bunch of spineless douchebags. Can't even stick to their attention whoring guns.


Spineless douchebags? Hardly. The WBC is anything but spineless. This is a brilliant strategy on their part, and actually achieves their desired attention whoring goals perfectly without them having to spend a penny or even make any effort. They have opted for this "press release/no show" gambit quite a bit lately...and it works like a charm.

Until people start simply ignoring them, like any troll, they will never go away.
 
2012-07-06 08:41:32 AM  
I say just "gig 'em aggies"
 
2012-07-06 08:42:20 AM  
Now if they could find a way to stand in front of the ad that was every 3rd pic in the slideshow and pretty much ruined it.
 
2012-07-06 08:42:25 AM  
Did they GIG 'EM !!!!
 
2012-07-06 08:42:28 AM  
bobbiblogger.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-06 08:43:20 AM  
The Westboro Baptist Church protesters never showed up. Perhaps they drove past and were intimidated by the maroon wall of Aggie spirit.

Not likely. WBC would have welcomed the confrontation and publicity.
 
2012-07-06 08:44:27 AM  
It's hard to get "dust in my eye" over a bunch of (well meaning) idealists simply helping WBC's agenda on this one. Great, you endured hot temps to stand and promote WBC's agenda while they sat back in the A/C in Kansas...let me cry a tear of shame for you.
 
2012-07-06 08:44:35 AM  
pssshhhaawww...you all miss the point. I'm not one to talk. If there's anyone not goin to a possible heaven its me. I don't go to church, I've been to prison, I've contributed to an abortion, I believe in gay marriage, I believe in the separation of church and state..

...but the one thing I can never understand, and I admit this is left over from the other thread that I was late to, is why I saw so many comments insulting and mocking people who are religious. It always goes right to that. It starts as a discussion of separation of church/state then goes to severe hate. If it were severe hate agains....well...it would never go that way with anything else.

And don't say "well no one else force feeds their shiat down my throat"...BS...wake me when someone forces you into a church. No one is making me go.
 
2012-07-06 08:44:51 AM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


The majority of atheists don't hate all Christians, just the fundamentalist assholes who try to force their corrupted, diseased version of Christianity on America. Just like we don't hate all Muslims, just the fundamentalist assholes.

Sure, there are a few who hate all religious folk, but they're just douchebags who like to feel superior. Of course, you knew this and you're just nailing yourself to a pretend cross to draw attention to yourself.
 
2012-07-06 08:45:04 AM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


I don't chide Christians when they act like Christ did.
 
2012-07-06 08:45:22 AM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


You do know that WBC protests at secular funeral services, too, don't you? This has nothing to do with promoting or even affirming Christianity. It's about opposing evil attention whores, who pose as devote Christians by invading the privacy of grieving families, dishonoring our fallen soldiers and espousing a belief system that in no way reflects the teachings of Jesus. If 50 WBC "protesters" show up anywhere, 10,000 sane people need to show up to shout them down.
 
2012-07-06 08:45:53 AM  
Fish Camp - the brainwashing starts early and continues throughout your time at the university. Aggies stick together, man.
 
2012-07-06 08:46:41 AM  
So the Hero Tag was given to people for an event that never took place. Umm, okay. Subby must cry for cats that appear in commercials.
 
2012-07-06 08:48:29 AM  
Did anyone watch the Foo Fighters video on the page? Them counterprotesting the Westboro clowns. Hot man muffins indeed...
 
2012-07-06 08:48:53 AM  

publikenemy: pssshhhaawww...you all miss the point. I'm not one to talk. If there's anyone not goin to a possible heaven its me. I don't go to church, I've been to prison, I've contributed to an abortion, I believe in gay marriage, I believe in the separation of church and state..

...but the one thing I can never understand, and I admit this is left over from the other thread that I was late to, is why I saw so many comments insulting and mocking people who are religious. It always goes right to that. It starts as a discussion of separation of church/state then goes to severe hate. If it were severe hate agains....well...it would never go that way with anything else.

And don't say "well no one else force feeds their shiat down my throat"...BS...wake me when someone forces you into a church. No one is making me go.


Radical Christians are the reason why two people who love eachother cannot marry if they're the same gender. Radical Christians are why, until VERY recently, I couldn't buy beer on Sunday. Radical Christians are why several states are pushing bullshiat anti-abortion laws.

Religious fundamentalism is a disease ...and you only have to look at certain countries in the Middle East to see how that disease can kill a country. And it CAN happen here.
 
2012-07-06 08:49:17 AM  
At this point the WBC are like Al Qaida. They've hit a few high profile targets to get their rep up, then let everyone else's worrying tire them out.

The counter-protesters at this funeral are much like the TSA, standing around waiting for a threat that never shows up.

The proper thing to do is to stop playing in to the WBC's tactics and start ignoring them. Definitely stop any and all media coverage of their "events". You "win" the game by living your life as you did before.
 
2012-07-06 08:49:52 AM  

optikeye: The sooner everyone starts to simply ignore these people the better.
The gay community realized this years ago. So now, WBC is moving on to other targets.
They're attention whores, and trolls. Any attention just feeds them.


That's not quite right.

They basically run around doing this crap so they can sue and take people to court if anyone tries to stop them from doing this crap. That's how they make a fair amount of their money. The gay community didn't so much ignore them as they figured out how not to get sued by them... And THAT'S why WBC moved on to new targets.
 
2012-07-06 08:50:49 AM  
When they have you forming human walls to block nothing, the WBC have won.
 
2012-07-06 08:53:11 AM  
I'm remember watching a TV news story about a Marylyn Manson Concert being protested. First they interviewed the chruch folks who were protesting the show, who sounded like Raving Lunatics, going on about make believe stuff like the Devil and Hell, and how the concert should be banned, etc..... Then they spoke with one of the freaky goth's waiting in line for tickets. He spoke eqouently about how this country has free speech and how the church was free to express themselves however they felt. Was a strange juxtaposition.

Tolerence vs Intolerence.
 
2012-07-06 08:54:54 AM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


Go away, annoying child.
 
2012-07-06 08:55:12 AM  
Better a human wall than a human bonfire, I always say.
 
2012-07-06 08:55:22 AM  
I'm unfamiliar with American laws, but wouldn't or doesn't the Westboro church fall under a terrorist or hate organization? I ask, because I know they're banned from crossing the border and protesting in Canada. Are they protected by your first amendment?
 
2012-07-06 08:56:17 AM  
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HAMMERTOE: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

Some ignorance just goes above and beyond vanilla religion and desperately needs to be met head-on. (Apply to the forehead.) While we oppose the hypocrisy of religion on general, we vehemently oppose those who seek to use religion as a cover for hatred, bigotry, corruption, pedophilia, greed, or any other base action which needs dragging out into the light of day and exposing.



It's the age-old argument of how to deal with trolls. Most of the time you want to ignore them because it's not worth 1) giving them attention, and 2) giving yourself an aneurism.

Sometimes, though, they start shiat so putrid that you just have to stand up and say "what is wrong with you? stop that."

In the absence of a real-life banhammer (how I wish...) we'll just have to keep debating.
 
2012-07-06 08:58:47 AM  

indarwinsshadow: I'm unfamiliar with American laws, but wouldn't or doesn't the Westboro church fall under a terrorist or hate organization? I ask, because I know they're banned from crossing the border and protesting in Canada. Are they protected by your first amendment?


Hate organization, I believe so. Terrorist organization, no. And yes, they ARE protected by our First Amendment, as long as they don't do anything beyond protest.

They're real life trolls, a church full of lawyers. Their schtick is to deliberately be gigantic douchebags, to try and get someone to take a swing at them, or otherwise infringe on their First Amendment rights, so they can sue.
 
2012-07-06 08:59:22 AM  

vudukungfu: They should build them a bon fire.
wait.


What makes it so good?
 
2012-07-06 08:59:32 AM  
I see they invited The Undertaker as well.


cdn2-b.examiner.com

/tombstone piledriver for WBC
 
2012-07-06 08:59:38 AM  

randomjsa: optikeye: The sooner everyone starts to simply ignore these people the better.
The gay community realized this years ago. So now, WBC is moving on to other targets.
They're attention whores, and trolls. Any attention just feeds them.

That's not quite right.

They basically run around doing this crap so they can sue and take people to court if anyone tries to stop them from doing this crap. That's how they make a fair amount of their money. The gay community didn't so much ignore them as they figured out how not to get sued by them... And THAT'S why WBC moved on to new targets.


I've heard that stated, but I haven't found anything indicating it's true. They have sued, and they've won some money, but according to the SPLC website they've lost more than they've won, which doesn't sound like a very good business model.
 
2012-07-06 08:59:44 AM  
Not a really a "wall"

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-06 09:00:36 AM  

optikeye: The sooner everyone starts to simply ignore these people the better.


I wish this worked. Muslims worldwide are told "Clean up your own. We insist that you repudiate extremism and terrorism, and police yourself."

These people are Christian terrorists. Christians should have to clean them up. It would be the Christian thing to do.
 
2012-07-06 09:00:55 AM  
One of the best ways to deter the WBC or most any other unwanted presence is with a large, burning, wooden barrier. I sometimes recommend that method to others, but not to Aggies.
 
2012-07-06 09:01:47 AM  

LordJiro:

Radical Christians are the reason why two people who love eachother cannot marry if they're the same gender. Radical Christians are why, until VERY recently, I couldn't buy beer on Sunday. Radical Christians are why several states are pushing bullshiat anti-abortion laws.

Religious fundamentalism is a disease ...and you only have to look at certain countries in the Middle East to see how that disease can kill a country. And it CAN happen here.



I agree. The problem is, most religious people are not fundies. They are just normal peeps. I for one, do not lump all Muslims in with the ones who crashed the planes on 9/11. Which is why I won't make Allah jokes and insults if Muslims are in the news negatively...like when they blew up that tunnel the other day.

Just look at how everyone came at me with the hate as soon as I even hinted at being religious..there are so many levels of being so called "religious". It's just bigotry to go with the hate. Just let it go and save it for the lunatics who are trying to impose on you. Most aren't. Don't generalize and stereotype. Oldest lesson in the book.

But fuggit if you want to...it's a free country. Just trying to make discussion.
 
2012-07-06 09:03:29 AM  

publikenemy: Why protect a church Fark atheists?


Perhaps you can answer why an atheist wouldn't protect a church?
 
2012-07-06 09:03:46 AM  

indarwinsshadow: I'm unfamiliar with American laws, but wouldn't or doesn't the Westboro church fall under a terrorist or hate organization? I ask, because I know they're banned from crossing the border and protesting in Canada. Are they protected by your first amendment?


Yes, hate speech is legal.

publikenemy: Just look at how everyone came at me with the hate as soon as I even hinted at being religious


Actually they came at you with the ridicule when you made a douchy persecution complex statement.
 
2012-07-06 09:04:47 AM  
Thanks and gig 'em
 
2012-07-06 09:05:26 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: .HAMMERTOE: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

Some ignorance just goes above and beyond vanilla religion and desperately needs to be met head-on. (Apply to the forehead.) While we oppose the hypocrisy of religion on general, we vehemently oppose those who seek to use religion as a cover for hatred, bigotry, corruption, pedophilia, greed, or any other base action which needs dragging out into the light of day and exposing.


It's the age-old argument of how to deal with trolls. Most of the time you want to ignore them because it's not worth 1) giving them attention, and 2) giving yourself an aneurism.

Sometimes, though, they start shiat so putrid that you just have to stand up and say "what is wrong with you? stop that."

In the absence of a real-life banhammer (how I wish...) we'll just have to keep debating.


There is a real-life banhammer, its called a "gun"
 
2012-07-06 09:07:05 AM  
Is this Westboro thing some kind of art project or long running punk'd episode? These people can't be an actual organization that believe their signs, can they?
 
2012-07-06 09:09:21 AM  

hillary: ThrobblefootSpectre: When they have you forming human walls to block nothing, the WBC have won.

yup. plus, the reporter became a WBC knob-polisher by writing the story.


Worst job ever.
 
2012-07-06 09:11:20 AM  
Listen everyone..just debating. I'm not gonna win a 1 against 500 debate. I could give a fark what you think of me. I've had a horrible life starting from when I was 10, and continuing....addiction is the current battle I'm in so I won't take on a Fark battle. I come here to laugh not fight, and I'm not trolling. Sometimes when you're down and alone, you wanna believe in something. I don't believe in shiat and have no one to believe in. If you wanna say I have a persecution complex that's o.k., but I honestly was just debating because like I said..I'm searching.

Guess i should stick with the suicide prevention site lol...I'm out, now you have no other "trolls" to toy with hahahha.
 
2012-07-06 09:11:42 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate:
In the absence of a real-life banhammer (how I wish...) we'll just have to keep debating.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-07-06 09:11:46 AM  
Examiner link. Event didn't happen. Main page greenlight.

I'm getting a bad vibe from this.
 
2012-07-06 09:12:10 AM  
Those assholes showed up at A&M back when I was a student there. A counter protest formed next to them inviting students to sign their souls away to Satan. A lot of kids, myself included, signed just to piss them off.
 
2012-07-06 09:15:37 AM  
As for how an atheist can defend a church, think about this: my daughter, the apple of my eye, is religious. I am an atheist. How can this be? Because I allow her to follow her own heart. All the while, I also keep her feet firmly planted in reality. Religion is a fine thing, until you start trying to write it into law. Should it be legal to sacrifice your first-born if you hear voices in your head claiming to be "God" and demanding such? Religion would say "fine". Common sense says "No."
 
2012-07-06 09:20:37 AM  
This was then followed by hours of whining about how it was all UT's fault
 
2012-07-06 09:21:09 AM  

skodabunny: FTA: "The Westboro Baptist Church protesters never showed up."


They rarely do. I'm surprised most people have not figured this out yet. WBC announces they are going to protest an event, and all the locals work themselves up into a lather. The media runs with the story, and WBC gets the attention they want without ever leaving their cave.
This is truly one group of people that if ignored, they would just fade away.
 
2012-07-06 09:21:51 AM  

wambu: The Westboro Baptist Church protesters never showed up. Perhaps they drove past and were intimidated by the maroon wall of Aggie spirit.


Once again, the WBC gets lots of free publicity without actually having to show up.

Stop all this dipshiattery.
 
2012-07-06 09:24:01 AM  
Alumnus, subby, not alumni.

/somebody had to do it
 
2012-07-06 09:26:27 AM  

Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: I'm remember watching a TV news story about a Marylyn Manson Concert being protested. First they interviewed the chruch folks who were protesting the show, who sounded like Raving Lunatics, going on about make believe stuff like the Devil and Hell, and how the concert should be banned, etc..... Then they spoke with one of the freaky goth's waiting in line for tickets. He spoke eqouently about how this country has free speech and how the church was free to express themselves however they felt. Was a strange juxtaposition.

Tolerence vs Intolerence.

wait, did they sound like raving lunatics because they were talking about something that you don't believe in, also keep in mind the news media can edit any tape to make one party look crazy and another sane. It is quite possible that out of all the interviews done at the concert who ever edited the story wanted to make the protesters look like "raving lunatics" so they found the few (that are at all protest) and picked those to show and found the few well spoken ones (again who are at any event being protested) and picked those to show.

No matter what you believe or what side of any issue you pick, choosing to stereotype off how others are shown/printed in the news media is not wise.


Just relating to you what was shown. Would imagine that it was edited, but the line of kids waiting for the concert were well behaved and relaxed vs the protesting Church people. You don't want to be shown in a bad light, don't act like idiots. I'm not a Maryln Manson fan by any means, but don't frankly care if someone else wants to go to his concert. I also realize that the sample is not representative of all Christian's.
 
2012-07-06 09:27:45 AM  
I'm waiting for the day that some nutjob goes and just kills them all in one go.

If nobody is left alive, nobody can sue you. I'm sure the police and witnesses wouldn't have seen anything if it's the WBC that was attacked. After all, everyone does so much to stay away from and ignore them.
 
2012-07-06 09:29:56 AM  
I went to their site out of curiosity. I'm convinced they are master trolls just laughing at everyone else. That suspicion was reinforced when I saw this in their "list of numbers".

"0 - nanoseconds of sleep that WBC members lose over your opinions and feeeeellllliiiiiings."

I have to admit it made me laugh.
 
2012-07-06 09:30:16 AM  
Back in 2000 I think, the Ku Klux Klan came to town and they set up their big klan rally with a stage and speakers and whatnot. A bunch of upper classmen Aggies threw a giant party in a far off location and invited the entire campus so that no one would attend the klan rally. Pretty classy move and I say this as an alumnus of UT, Texas A&M's rival university.

/Hook 'em
 
2012-07-06 09:31:02 AM  
"raving lunatics"

LostInTO: I also realize that the sample is not representative of all Christian's.


You are technically correct. Christians do not worship the moon, therefore would not rave at it.

They are all completely insane though.
 
2012-07-06 09:31:05 AM  
This is not the thread I was expecting.

Don't understand all the haters.
 
2012-07-06 09:36:28 AM  
You know, if most of the Aggies are like this, they deserve mucho respect. The hero tag works very well!

Welcome to the SEC, guys! If you are this strong OFF the field, you might actually be a force to be reckoned with ON the field....against anyone except for LSU and Alabama!

/GEAUX TIGERS!
 
2012-07-06 09:36:42 AM  

HAMMERTOE: my daughter, the apple of my eye, is religious. I am an atheist. How can this be? Because I allow her to follow her own heart. All the while, I also keep her feet firmly planted in reality.


Have you told her that if she's raped she is required to marry the rapist and gets a whole 20 silver out of the deal.?

Have you told her to shut up because she is not to speak?

Have you told her that she is breeding material and nothing more?

If you haven't you're not keeping her feet firmly planted in what the bible says.
 
2012-07-06 09:39:53 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: The ad for RON PAUL radio at the end uined what was otherwise a very good article.


the entire article was ruined because of an unrelated ad at the bottom of a page?

it must really be hellish inside your mind.
 
2012-07-06 09:40:26 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right? Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

fark you and your retarded "y'all." Is that better?


They's plenty wrong with y'all, but they ain't nothin' wrong with "y'all".
 
2012-07-06 09:41:12 AM  
There's plenty wrong with youse guys, too.
 
2012-07-06 09:41:22 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: They's plenty wrong with y'all, but they ain't nothin' wrong with "y'all".


It's a little-known fact that Webster's first name was Bubba.
 
2012-07-06 09:41:51 AM  

harbingerofdoom: FlyingLizardOfDoom: The ad for RON PAUL radio at the end uined what was otherwise a very good article.

the entire article was ruined because of an unrelated ad at the bottom of a page?

it must really be hellish inside your mind.


You have NO IDEA.
 
2012-07-06 09:43:17 AM  

Loud_Mouth_Soup: I see they invited The Undertaker as well.


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/tombstone piledriver for WBC


We don't ever..... and I mean EVER, mention the American B@dass Undertaker. He is the Dead Man.
 
2012-07-06 09:43:17 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Barricaded Gunman: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right? Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

fark you and your retarded "y'all." Is that better?

They's plenty wrong with y'all, but they ain't nothin' wrong with "y'all".


Y'all is a proper contraction. All Y'all is a redneck redundancy.
 
2012-07-06 09:43:57 AM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-06 09:45:29 AM  
Posts semi-funny meme



TO WRONG THREAD
 
2012-07-06 09:45:46 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Barricaded Gunman: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right? Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

fark you and your retarded "y'all." Is that better?

They's plenty wrong with y'all, but they ain't nothin' wrong with "y'all".


You - second person singular
y'all - second person plural
all y'all - every person present
makes more sense than using 'you' for every case.
 
2012-07-06 09:46:39 AM  
WBC is just surefire way to get greenlit. These articles are getting old, though.
 
2012-07-06 09:46:58 AM  

Gramma: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Barricaded Gunman: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right? Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

fark you and your retarded "y'all." Is that better?

They's plenty wrong with y'all, but they ain't nothin' wrong with "y'all".

You - second person singular
y'all - second person plural
all y'all - every person present
makes more sense than using 'you' for every case.


except that y'all is a contraction of you all, and implies everyone in the group. All y'all is redundant.
 
2012-07-06 09:47:09 AM  

fluffy2097: HAMMERTOE: my daughter, the apple of my eye, is religious. I am an atheist. How can this be? Because I allow her to follow her own heart. All the while, I also keep her feet firmly planted in reality.

Have you told her that if she's raped she is required to marry the rapist and gets a whole 20 silver out of the deal.?

Have you told her to shut up because she is not to speak?

Have you told her that she is breeding material and nothing more?

If you haven't you're not keeping her feet firmly planted in what the bible says.


you sir, are an idiot.
 
2012-07-06 09:50:49 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Gramma: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Barricaded Gunman: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right? Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

fark you and your retarded "y'all." Is that better?

They's plenty wrong with y'all, but they ain't nothin' wrong with "y'all".

You - second person singular
y'all - second person plural
all y'all - every person present
makes more sense than using 'you' for every case.

except that y'all is a contraction of you all, and implies everyone in the group. All y'all is redundant.


"y'all" isn't used that way, though. At least not in Texas. Y'all is used to mean the plural 'you'. If you mean everybody, you have to siip an 'all' in front of "'y'all. "
 
2012-07-06 09:52:13 AM  

Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: I'm remember watching a TV news story about a Marylyn Manson Concert being protested. First they interviewed the chruch folks who were protesting the show, who sounded like Raving Lunatics, going on about make believe stuff like the Devil and Hell, and how the concert should be banned, etc..... Then they spoke with one of the freaky goth's waiting in line for tickets. He spoke eqouently about how this country has free speech and how the church was free to express themselves however they felt. Was a strange juxtaposition.

Tolerence vs Intolerence.

wait, did they sound like raving lunatics because they were talking about something that you don't believe in, also keep in mind the news media can edit any tape to make one party look crazy and another sane. It is quite possible that out of all the interviews done at the concert who ever edited the story wanted to make the protesters look like "raving lunatics" so they found the few (that are at all protest) and picked those to show and found the few well spoken ones (again who are at any event being protested) and picked those to show.

No matter what you believe or what side of any issue you pick, choosing to stereotype off how others are shown/printed in the news media is not wise.

Just relating to you what was shown. Would imagine that it was edited, but the line of kids waiting for the concert were well behaved and relaxed vs the protesting Church people. You don't want to be shown in a bad light, don't act like idiots. I'm not a Maryln Manson fan by any means, but don't frankly care if someone else wants to go to his concert. I also realize that the sample is not representative of all Christian's.

then why mention it, heck half those kids were probably stoned LOL.

someone posted a video from comic con on here and I would assume a good portion of the people shown holding up signs and dressed in costumes are more than likely atheist or not Christian but I sure don't think "gee loo ...


Why? Because I thought it was an interesting story, and I still remember it even though it occurred years ago, and it showed that intolerence can come in many different forms, not just the ones you expect.

And oh yeah, cause this is fark and I can post pretty much what ever I want, just like you can put me on your ignore list anytime you want.
 
2012-07-06 09:52:53 AM  

Gramma: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Gramma: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Barricaded Gunman: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right? Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

fark you and your retarded "y'all." Is that better?

They's plenty wrong with y'all, but they ain't nothin' wrong with "y'all".

You - second person singular
y'all - second person plural
all y'all - every person present
makes more sense than using 'you' for every case.

except that y'all is a contraction of you all, and implies everyone in the group. All y'all is redundant.

"y'all" isn't used that way, though. At least not in Texas. Y'all is used to mean the plural 'you'. If you mean everybody, you have to siip an 'all' in front of "'y'all. "


which is why its a redneck plural. Here in California, if it is used at all, its used properly. Anyone says "All Y'all" is laughed at as a hick.
 
2012-07-06 09:54:15 AM  

MmmmBacon: While ignoring them might work to some degree, the WBC have always found new tactics to employ that allow them to force their message on the rest of us. When the LGBT community ignored them, they started protesting military funerals, for example. If they are ignored there, the WBC will just start protesting children's funerals, or at Little League games (Stealing second base infects little kids with The Ghey, you know), etc.

WBC knows how to push buttons, and if you take one away, they will just push another. And anyway, people of good conscience should not simply ignore Evil when presented with it. Evil such as the WBC should be actively resisted, exposed whenever they crawl out from under their rocks, and not allowed to succeed in any way.


You'd be so much more believable if you had knowledge of the matter about which you pontificate. They've protested at many a child's funeral.

They need to be completely ignored and the media needs to stop producing coverage of them.

And sure as shiat Fark should stop greenlighting articles about them but hey, just like MSM, more outrage means more clicks and more ads viewed
 
2012-07-06 09:54:47 AM  
WBC has jumped the shark. We need a new even more inflammatory protest group to shock and titillate us.
 
2012-07-06 09:55:03 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: which is why its a redneck plural. Here in California, if it is used at all, its used properly. Anyone says "All Y'all" is laughed at as a hick.


Here in Canada "y'all" with or without "all" in front is a redneck plural. We don't discriminate.
 
2012-07-06 09:55:38 AM  

fluffy2097: Have you told her that if she's raped she is required to marry the rapist and gets a whole 20 silver out of the deal.?

Have you told her to shut up because she is not to speak?

Have you told her that she is breeding material and nothing more?

If you haven't you're not keeping her feet firmly planted in what the bible says.



Lol. I can just see you picketing some funeral with that stuff written on a sign with a smug smile on your face.
 
2012-07-06 09:55:54 AM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


They are not protecting a church or Christianity per se--just protecting the right of a dead man's family to bury him without being bothered. So u r doing it right--but on the wrong theme....
 
2012-07-06 09:55:57 AM  
it's too early for this much bullshiat, damn ya'll for forcin an idiot trainwreck
 
2012-07-06 10:01:58 AM  

Waldo Pepper: where in the Christian Bible does it state that today's believers should sacrifice their first born?


Surely you know the story of Abraham and Isaac, don't you?
 
2012-07-06 10:02:15 AM  
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2012-07-06 10:03:05 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Waldo Pepper: where in the Christian Bible does it state that today's believers should sacrifice their first born?

Surely you know the story of Abraham and Isaac, don't you?


And surely you know that God was only testing Abraham and never intended for him to go through with it?
 
2012-07-06 10:05:10 AM  
FTFA: Lt. Col. Roy Tisdale, a Texas A&M University graduate in 1993, was killed during a training exercise at Fort Bragg on June 28. During a safety briefing in North Carolina, Lt. Col. Tisdale was shot and killed by a fellow soldier who committed suicide.

That was some safety briefing.
 
2012-07-06 10:05:56 AM  

fluffy2097: Have you told her to shut up because she is not to speak?

Have you told her that she is breeding material and nothing more?

If you haven't you're not keeping her feet firmly planted in what the bible says.


I said "reality", not "what the bible says." The bible says that "God" was so irresponsible he left his two beloved children alone with an agent of Satan, then banished them in a fit of anger for doing something they had no idea was "wrong", having no knowledge of good and evil. As I've said many a time before, I expect better of a deity who expects to be worshiped.
 
2012-07-06 10:06:13 AM  

Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: I'm remember watching a TV news story about a Marylyn Manson Concert being protested. First they interviewed the chruch folks who were protesting the show, who sounded like Raving Lunatics, going on about make believe stuff like the Devil and Hell, and how the concert should be banned, etc..... Then they spoke with one of the freaky goth's waiting in line for tickets. He spoke eqouently about how this country has free speech and how the church was free to express themselves however they felt. Was a strange juxtaposition.

Tolerence vs Intolerence.

wait, did they sound like raving lunatics because they were talking about something that you don't believe in, also keep in mind the news media can edit any tape to make one party look crazy and another sane. It is quite possible that out of all the interviews done at the concert who ever edited the story wanted to make the protesters look like "raving lunatics" so they found the few (that are at all protest) and picked those to show and found the few well spoken ones (again who are at any event being protested) and picked those to show.

No matter what you believe or what side of any issue you pick, choosing to stereotype off how others are shown/printed in the news media is not wise.

Just relating to you what was shown. Would imagine that it was edited, but the line of kids waiting for the concert were well behaved and relaxed vs the protesting Church people. You don't want to be shown in a bad light, don't act like idiots. I'm not a Maryln Manson fan by any means, but don't frankly care if someone else wants to go to his concert. I also realize that the sample is not representative of all Christian's.

then why mention it, heck half those kids were probably stoned LOL.

someone posted a video from comic con on here and I would assume a good portion of the people shown holding up signs and dressed in costumes are more than likely atheist or not Christian but I s ...


If Christians didn't want to be ridiculed treated with skepticism they would quit doing things worthy of ridicule and skepticism. They believe in burning bushes talking, zombies, pedophilia, incest, systematic rape of women, murdering people for wearing 2 different cloth types at the same time, the list goes on and on.

They earn every ounce of ridicule they get just by virtue of their holy book. The only problem is they don't even read the damn thing so they don't get why people would be skeptical of them.
 
2012-07-06 10:07:01 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: And surely you know that God was only testing Abraham and never intended for him to go through with it?


Of course. *And* I also understand that Abraham was so naive, he thought the voices were real.
 
2012-07-06 10:08:14 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: HAMMERTOE: Waldo Pepper: where in the Christian Bible does it state that today's believers should sacrifice their first born?

Surely you know the story of Abraham and Isaac, don't you?

And surely you know that God was only testing Abraham and never intended for him to go through with it?


Your god is pretty farked up, dude.
 
2012-07-06 10:09:30 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Lol. I can just see you picketing some funeral with that stuff written on a sign with a smug smile on your face.


Picketing funerals does nothing. Everyone you want to get your message to is to upset over the old embalmed bit of carbon they once knew being put into the ground.

Best to give them their space. Permanent changes require plenty of quiet contemplation on the part of the person giving up or accepting an imaginary sky friend.
 
2012-07-06 10:10:24 AM  

harbingerofdoom: FlyingLizardOfDoom: The ad for RON PAUL radio at the end uined what was otherwise a very good article.

the entire article was ruined because of an unrelated ad at the bottom of a page?

it must really be hellish inside your mind.


*snert*
 
2012-07-06 10:11:40 AM  

Waldo Pepper: You mean the one where no human was sacrificed?


What kind of douchebag commands A father to kill his only child (under the threat of burning in eternal hellfire) as a joke?

Is this a holy book or a frat house hazing manual?
 
2012-07-06 10:12:59 AM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


It's not about protecting the church, it's about protecting a family's right to grieve in peace without being harassed by a group of assholes.

/atheist
 
2012-07-06 10:13:37 AM  

Lorelle: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

It's not about protecting the church, it's about protecting a family's right to grieve in peace without being harassed by a group of assholes.

/atheist


I agree

/Calvinist
 
2012-07-06 10:14:23 AM  

Lorelle: It's not about protecting the church, it's about protecting a family's right to grieve in peace without being harassed by a group of assholes.

/atheist


Concurred.

/Buddhist/
 
2012-07-06 10:14:31 AM  

optikeye: The sooner everyone starts to simply ignore these people the better.


So they shouldn't have formed the human wall?
 
2012-07-06 10:16:55 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Lorelle: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

It's not about protecting the church, it's about protecting a family's right to grieve in peace without being harassed by a group of assholes.

/atheist

I agree

/Calvinist


I agree

/Calvin
 
2012-07-06 10:18:20 AM  

LostInTO: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Lorelle: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

It's not about protecting the church, it's about protecting a family's right to grieve in peace without being harassed by a group of assholes.

/atheist

I agree

/Calvinist

I agree

/Calvin


Besides, the early church played just one big game of Calvinball, right?
 
2012-07-06 10:18:37 AM  
Sounds like they got trolled into standing outside on a hot day...
 
2012-07-06 10:19:16 AM  

publikenemy: pssshhhaawww...you all miss the point. I'm not one to talk. If there's anyone not goin to a possible heaven its me. I don't go to church, I've been to prison, I've contributed to an abortion, I believe in gay marriage, I believe in the separation of church and state..

...but the one thing I can never understand, and I admit this is left over from the other thread that I was late to, is why I saw so many comments insulting and mocking people who are religious. It always goes right to that. It starts as a discussion of separation of church/state then goes to severe hate. If it were severe hate agains....well...it would never go that way with anything else.

And don't say "well no one else force feeds their shiat down my throat"...BS...wake me when someone forces you into a church. No one is making me go.


What a mixed list you gave us.

I don't go to church = GOOD
I've been to prison = BAD
I've contributed to an abortion = BAD
I believe in gay marriage = GOOD
I believe in the separation of church and state = GOOD
 
2012-07-06 10:20:12 AM  

Notabunny: Not a really a "wall"

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Tick reference on the play. Immediate first down.

/+1 to you.
 
2012-07-06 10:20:38 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: HAMMERTOE: Waldo Pepper: where in the Christian Bible does it state that today's believers should sacrifice their first born?

Surely you know the story of Abraham and Isaac, don't you?

And surely you know that God was only testing Abraham and never intended for him to go through with it?


I've always had a problem with that story. The last time I taught, I just came out and said to the kids "I've always had a problem with this story. Does anyone else have a problem with this story?" I stood back and let them argue over it.
I've formed a half-baked theory that the story of Abrahams' near sacrifice of Isaac, or perhaps the way the story is presented and taught, is partially responsible for our societys' ever willingness to send our sons to war. It is as though we are internalizing that our boy children are for sacrificing.

I stepped down from teaching religious education, but I discussed my idea with a couple of people who continue to teach. One of them was interested enough to retell the story to the Junior High class and ask them questions like "What is a different way this story could of went? What is a different way this story could have ended? What else could Abraham have done? What do you think Sarah would have had to say about this event? Do you think the story has a meaning? If you do, what do you think that meaning is?"

I wish I'd thought of approaching the story in that manner. I try to remember that sometimes the questions are more important than the answers, but I don't think I ever taught a religious education lesson with so much creativity and thoughtfulness. The volunteers we have now are just outstanding.
 
2012-07-06 10:23:28 AM  

Waldo Pepper: wow and your atheist leaders in history are so well behaved and tolerant


The difference being that I don't worship them as supreme beings. You god is seriously farked in the head.
 
2012-07-06 10:26:00 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Waldo Pepper: wow and your atheist leaders in history are so well behaved and tolerant

The difference being that I don't worship them as supreme beings. You god is seriously farked in the head.


Well, think about it. How would you be if you lived for an eternity and the only action you were able to get was some 14-year-old girl in the backwaters of the Jordan River valley?
 
2012-07-06 10:26:33 AM  

Waldo Pepper: such a idiotic argument to say Christians believe in doing some of the horrors in history. the Bible is a complete book and like our own life the later books/years overshadow the things from our youth.


Which brings to mind another pertinent question: If "God" was so all-knowing, why did Jesus need to re-write the biblical laws? No more sacrifices. No more "eye for an eye". It's almost as if "God" had to become more civilized to maintain relevancy as mankind became more civilized. Not the hall mark of an all-knowing deity.
 
2012-07-06 10:28:11 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Waldo Pepper: such a idiotic argument to say Christians believe in doing some of the horrors in history. the Bible is a complete book and like our own life the later books/years overshadow the things from our youth.

Which brings to mind another pertinent question: If "God" was so all-knowing, why did Jesus need to re-write the biblical laws? No more sacrifices. No more "eye for an eye". It's almost as if "God" had to become more civilized to maintain relevancy as mankind became more civilized. Not the hall mark of an all-knowing deity.


"I have not come to replace the law, but to fulfill it." He didn't rewrite anything. Just reinterpreted it, like any good lawyer.
 
2012-07-06 10:28:19 AM  
iq_in_binary:

The only problem is they don't even read the damn thing so they don't get why people would be skeptical of them.


Man-oh-man is this true. It is amazing how often I find myself (an athiest) explaining the allussions to and relevence of biblical stories that show up in modern day media to people who claim to be christian.

...and somehow, even having not interjected a single personal commentary, I usually get the "Why have you read the bible if you don't believe in it.....so you know your going to hell right?". I just respond that I've read Harry Potter as well.

How come I never get that from my Jewish and Muslim accquaintences?
 
2012-07-06 10:28:23 AM  

MmmmBacon: While ignoring them might work to some degree, the WBC have always found new tactics to employ that allow them to force their message on the rest of us. When the LGBT community ignored them, they started protesting military funerals, for example. If they are ignored there, the WBC will just start protesting children's funerals, or at Little League games (Stealing second base infects little kids with The Ghey, you know), etc.

WBC knows how to push buttons, and if you take one away, they will just push another. And anyway, people of good conscience should not simply ignore Evil when presented with it. Evil such as the WBC should be actively resisted, exposed whenever they crawl out from under their rocks, and not allowed to succeed in any way.


your plan to replace the suits and skirts of WashDC, this I would like to see. are we going to have formal Boondock Saint groups or will people be working on their own to rid the landscape of those who live their life outside of the law? how shall we handle the scores of NJ Diner owners who make the lives of single mother waitresses miserable by pressing them into sex to keep their jobs? there are so many wrongs to right. we should start a list. we could start by lynching a crapload of Roman Catholic Church figures that molested children, and their management that made it possible for them to continue doing so. i have some special ideas for people who abuse animals, they will be the Kritters little projects that will linger.

there is much greater evil than the WBC all around you and i doubt you are doing shiat about any of it.
 
2012-07-06 10:28:33 AM  
cdn2-b.examiner.com

Powerful image. Great photography. Wish I had taken it.
 
2012-07-06 10:29:50 AM  

Lunaville: I wish I'd thought of approaching the story in that manner. I try to remember that sometimes the questions are more important than the answers, but I don't think I ever taught a religious education lesson with so much creativity and thoughtfulness.


To be honest, religion is all about suppressing and/ or avoiding the tough questions. That's exactly why I had my falling out with it, despite being raised within the church.
 
2012-07-06 10:31:45 AM  
I can't understand how they've gone this long with no one just going postal and opening up on them.
 
2012-07-06 10:32:38 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: "I have not come to replace the law, but to fulfill it." He didn't rewrite anything. Just reinterpreted it, like any good lawyer.


What does that even mean? Sacrifices were expected. He supposedly did away with all of that. You were expected to marry your dead brother's widow. He did away with all of that as well. Not to mention doing away with "You shall not suffer a witch to live." All he supposedly "fulfilled" was prophesy, not the law.
 
2012-07-06 10:36:32 AM  

Waldo Pepper: so reading from American history, we believe in rape, slavery, keeping down the poor, over throwing our government, assassinating our Presidents, ...the list goes on




Well that stuff wasn't exactly written into the constitution and purposed as a THE guide to proper and moral living...ya know, like some publications are.
 
2012-07-06 10:37:12 AM  

HAMMERTOE: FlyingLizardOfDoom: "I have not come to replace the law, but to fulfill it." He didn't rewrite anything. Just reinterpreted it, like any good lawyer.

What does that even mean? Sacrifices were expected. He supposedly did away with all of that. You were expected to marry your dead brother's widow. He did away with all of that as well. Not to mention doing away with "You shall not suffer a witch to live." All he supposedly "fulfilled" was prophesy, not the law.


But only if they weigh as much as a duck, right?
 
2012-07-06 10:37:30 AM  
Hey, it works. WBC is ignoring the protesters, and getting all the press.
 
2012-07-06 10:38:00 AM  

Waldo Pepper: doesn't change the fact that


Kinda does, actually. We don't worship murderous psychopaths, while you do exactly that. The rest of your rant is kinda moot once that distinction is made clear.

But have fun. Maybe your god will reward you by trying to trick you into killing a family member or something. I'll be over here with all the terrible people who recognize that that's both insane and evil.
 
2012-07-06 10:38:42 AM  
Well, as usual, this thread has turned into another us vs them wonk and the central point that the members of WBC are a bunch of ignorant assholes - is lost under a pile of horseshiat.
 
2012-07-06 10:38:52 AM  

Waldo Pepper: iq_in_binary: Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: I'm remember watching a TV news story about a Marylyn Manson Concert being protested. First they interviewed the chruch folks who were protesting the show, who sounded like Raving Lunatics, going on about make believe stuff like the Devil and Hell, and how the concert should be banned, etc..... Then they spoke with one of the freaky goth's waiting in line for tickets. He spoke eqouently about how this country has free speech and how the church was free to express themselves however they felt. Was a strange juxtaposition.

Tolerence vs Intolerence.

wait, did they sound like raving lunatics because they were talking about something that you don't believe in, also keep in mind the news media can edit any tape to make one party look crazy and another sane. It is quite possible that out of all the interviews done at the concert who ever edited the story wanted to make the protesters look like "raving lunatics" so they found the few (that are at all protest) and picked those to show and found the few well spoken ones (again who are at any event being protested) and picked those to show.

No matter what you believe or what side of any issue you pick, choosing to stereotype off how others are shown/printed in the news media is not wise.

Just relating to you what was shown. Would imagine that it was edited, but the line of kids waiting for the concert were well behaved and relaxed vs the protesting Church people. You don't want to be shown in a bad light, don't act like idiots. I'm not a Maryln Manson fan by any means, but don't frankly care if someone else wants to go to his concert. I also realize that the sample is not representative of all Christian's.

then why mention it, heck half those kids were probably stoned LOL.

someone posted a video from comic con on here and I would assume a good portion of the people shown holding up signs and dressed in costumes are more than likely athe ...


The American people don't worship their country's history. Christians worship the bible. That you can't find the difference there just goes to show how out of touch with reality Christians are. Couple that with their tendency to be extremist, their penchant for hate crimes and terrorism, and their complete disdain for civil discourse and people need little more justification for lumping Christians in with any other radical group.
 
2012-07-06 10:40:20 AM  

Waldo Pepper: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Waldo Pepper: wow and your atheist leaders in history are so well behaved and tolerant

The difference being that I don't worship them as supreme beings. You god is seriously farked in the head.

doesn't change the fact that Atheist love to preach tolerance but gee put them in power and watch them kill all those who are religious.

see you guys have it easy, when someone commits a crime and belongs to a religion, quite often it is report, "well joe was a good church goer never thought he would do this"

but if this information is not report, the media never reports, "well joe is an atheist and as one we never thought he would do this"

so I think from now on when I read or hear about a crime being committed and there is no reference to the person's religion I will assume that person is an atheist and if the person who the crime was committed against is a Christian I will consider it a hate crime.


0/10 needs to be more subtle
 
2012-07-06 10:43:32 AM  

JackieRabbit: Well, as usual, this thread has turned into another us vs them wonk and the central point that the members of WBC are a bunch of ignorant assholes - is lost under a pile of horseshiat.


By ignoring the WBC and just doing this instead, aren't we actually behaving exactly the way everyone always says we should by not engaging the whackjobs regarding their whackjobbery?

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Well, think about it. How would you be if you lived for an eternity and the only action you were able to get was some 14-year-old girl in the backwaters of the Jordan River valley?


I think he just went crazy on bath salts one night and then had to make up a quick religion to reverse-justify everything he did that night.
 
2012-07-06 10:45:25 AM  

Waldo Pepper: iq_in_binary: Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: Waldo Pepper: LostInTO: I'm remember watching a TV news story about a Marylyn Manson Concert being protested. First they interviewed the chruch folks who were protesting the show, who sounded like Raving Lunatics, going on about make believe stuff like the Devil and Hell, and how the concert should be banned, etc..... Then they spoke with one of the freaky goth's waiting in line for tickets. He spoke eqouently about how this country has free speech and how the church was free to express themselves however they felt. Was a strange juxtaposition.

Tolerence vs Intolerence.

wait, did they sound like raving lunatics because they were talking about something that you don't believe in, also keep in mind the news media can edit any tape to make one party look crazy and another sane. It is quite possible that out of all the interviews done at the concert who ever edited the story wanted to make the protesters look like "raving lunatics" so they found the few (that are at all protest) and picked those to show and found the few well spoken ones (again who are at any event being protested) and picked those to show.

No matter what you believe or what side of any issue you pick, choosing to stereotype off how others are shown/printed in the news media is not wise.

Just relating to you what was shown. Would imagine that it was edited, but the line of kids waiting for the concert were well behaved and relaxed vs the protesting Church people. You don't want to be shown in a bad light, don't act like idiots. I'm not a Maryln Manson fan by any means, but don't frankly care if someone else wants to go to his concert. I also realize that the sample is not representative of all Christian's.

then why mention it, heck half those kids were probably stoned LOL.

someone posted a video from comic con on here and I would assume a good portion of the people shown holding up signs and dressed in costumes are more than likely athe ...


I see your Soviet Union and raise you the Crusades, the Nazis, every attempted Genocide outside of Africa and most of them within, every act of terrorism with a significant body count, etc.. Don't try to sell me the idea that atheists are the violent ones, Stalin did away with state Atheism, and instated the Church, and killed far more people than Hitler. Is that the example you're trying to use?
 
2012-07-06 10:46:26 AM  
Where is the right wing outrage over these assholes? I mean, they wrap themselves in the flag and pretend they love the troops more everyone else, where the hell is all their righteous indignation?
 
2012-07-06 10:47:28 AM  
I think the article would have been best served if they just wrote about the alumni wall to honor the deceased, and didn't mention WBC at all.
Give them no recognition period.
 
2012-07-06 10:50:36 AM  

penguinfark: [cdn2-b.examiner.com image 640x428]

Powerful image. Great photography. Wish I had taken it.


FALSE. White dude with dreds is always terrible in every context.
 
2012-07-06 10:51:01 AM  
Westboro Baptist Church, the Hiding-out as a non-profit Law Firm of Agents Provocateur for Money.

Wonder whether they translate the bible's Tzedakah as Justice or as Charity.

Wonder how the actual Baptists from Baylor Law School think about them picketing a football rival. But by then it would be nap time.
 
2012-07-06 10:56:08 AM  
I was at the funeral. WBC put out a press release saying they were coming, a common tactic with those guys. About a 1000 people showed up ( Patriot Guard, bikers, and Aggies ) and formed a wall around the church. It was quiet, respectful, non-politcal, and sad. The man's family came out and personally thanked everyone for their caring. WBC didn't show, but this is also one of their go-to moves.

Yes, WBC should be totally ignored, but that will never happen. A lot of good people came out to try and help the family bury their loved one in peace. I see no problem with a public demonstration of human decency. Beats the alternative.
 
2012-07-06 10:59:13 AM  
I think it's funny as an Aggie, we call ourselves "former students" not "alumni"
 
2012-07-06 11:01:46 AM  
If the entirety of the WBC membership was to burn up within the church itself, I would not shed one tear.
 
2012-07-06 11:05:15 AM  

texanjeff: This is not the thread I was expecting.

Don't understand all the haters.


This is Fark. Aggies are uncool here. lol
 
2012-07-06 11:05:20 AM  
I still don't get how making an arse out of yourself at a private funeral that has nothing to do with you falls under protected speech.
 
2012-07-06 11:09:02 AM  
What I'd like to see happen to the WBC is a kind of gentleman's agreement among all American journalists in which the group and its' members are declared proverbial unpersons. Under the terms of said agreement, neither the group nor any of its' members exists from a media point of view. If they show up to protest something, all photographs of the event should be tastefully shot or even altered to show the counter-protest only, and the name of the group or its' goals is never to be mentioned again except as 'a certain unpleasantness.'

There could even be a special convention of style where news editors used pictures of adoptable kittens from local shelters or something pasted over the protesters and their signs in the photographs, so everyone would know what KIND of 'unpleasantness' was being not-mentioned and instead of discussing the unpleasantness itself, everyone could discuss the kitten pictures. Small boroughs and large cities could even hold a modest competition, in the weeks before expected unpleasantness, to find the cutest kitten pictures and organize the most elaborate counter-protests, and in events when no unpleasantness appeared, newspapers could then run triumphant articles about the groups that came together for the funeral or whatever, then include a single line at the end: "Those gathered had been prepared for unpleasantness, but there was, happily, none whatsoever."

It'd be like FDR's wheelchair, the way the Amish shun people or the treatment of anyone Stalin 'disappeared.' With total media silence, there will very soon be no chance for unpleasantness to have any effect whatsoever. I don't believe there's a precedent allowing anyone to sue a newspaper for NOT mentioning them at all, and it wouldn't so much be censorship as an agreement between the American people and its' fourth estate that none of us want to hear anything more about the recent unpleasantness and we'd all very much prefer to see united communities and cat pictures.
 
2012-07-06 11:15:46 AM  
Waldo Pepper you are the man. I could not fight this fight today. I'm off oxycodone going on my 5th day now cold turkey and going batshiat insane. I will not allow my son to have an addict for a father.

Doctors who prescribe this shiat should be put in prison. I was in a bad motorcycle accident and they prescribed me percs...that was 3 yrs ago..
 
2012-07-06 11:19:50 AM  

Optimus Primate: Pontious Pilates: According to the article, WBC didn't even show up! What a bunch of spineless douchebags. Can't even stick to their attention whoring guns.

Spineless douchebags? Hardly. The WBC is anything but spineless. This is a brilliant strategy on their part, and actually achieves their desired attention whoring goals perfectly without them having to spend a penny or even make any effort. They have opted for this "press release/no show" gambit quite a bit lately...and it works like a charm.

Until people start simply ignoring them, like any troll, they will never go away.


At the same time, if no one shows up to block these trolls, and WBC *does* show up, they will have yet another chance to destroy the lives of a grieving family.

WBC does not stop at just public protests the funerals. They also like to frequently eviscerate the grieving families on their website, then continue to harass the families for days on end, rubbing salt in the wound, just because they can get away with it.

They may be attention whores, but they are also hateful little sadists that masturbate to the suffering they cause those families. Ignoring them may get rid of the attention whore part, but that fact remains they still wish to inflict pain on everyone around them, and they will find other means to do so.

For that reason, I find I can't just ignore them. It only gives them the opportunity to do far more harmful things while no one is looking.
 
2012-07-06 11:33:09 AM  
Best thing to do is to call and harass Fred Phelps law firm that he and his family own and works for. The Law office is what helps fund the church and who sues everyone.

Phelps-Chartered Law Firm
1414 South Topeka Boulevard, Topeka, KS
Phone: 785-233-4162
Tell them how you feel!

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-06 11:34:02 AM  
Waldo Pepper:
actually there were laws on the books allowing slavery, woman not having rights, young children being allow to work in dangerous conditions, and the list goes on.

Laws != the constitution. Yes there were parts in the consitution requiring states that uphold "slavery laws" from other states...yet the constitution did not expressly state that slavery was to be lawful in every state.

Also amendments. They exist to right the wrongs of our past and adapt to modern day "truths". Try getting a list of amendments included at the end of every bible, admitting to the wrongs and adpating to the "truths" of science.

IMO, religion is an antiquted form of law. Shaming people to conform to what was at the time the socially acceptable and moral. Personally I do not need a 2000 year old book to tell me what is right and wrong. Furthermore when I AM wrong it forces me to accept personal responsibility rather than scapegoat is as "god's will", "satan's hand" or "his divine plan". Accepting that responsibility forces ME to look at MYSELF and change the defect in question....rather than sweeping it under the rug because you believe that is just how god wants it.

/Truths in quotes is a different discussion entirely. Find truth in doubt.
//Really didn't expect to write so much
 
2012-07-06 11:35:53 AM  

Waldo Pepper: bluorangefyre: If the entirety of the WBC membership was to burn up within the church itself, I would not shed one tear.


now see if we didn't have the whole separation thing going on, the state could go in and shut these nut bags down. LOL.

for the life of me I can't understand how anyone could protest at a funeral.

i would like to have seen everyone member of that wall with a taser and if wbc actually showed up, any of those wbc members get close to you give them a good taser to the neck


QFT: Waldo Pepper: dude really is this all you got. Christianity is not following all the laws from back in the day but it is about God's love and loving God and your neighbors more than you love yourself.
 
2012-07-06 11:37:10 AM  

Biness: penguinfark: [cdn2-b.examiner.com image 640x428]

Powerful image. Great photography. Wish I had taken it.

FALSE. White dude with dreds is always terrible in every context.


www.worldnetdaily.com
Say whut?
 
2012-07-06 11:48:05 AM  

optikeye: The sooner everyone starts to simply ignore these people the better.


The gay community realized this years ago. So now, WBC is moving on to other targets.

They're attention whores, and trolls. Any attention just feeds them.


Obviously, you are talking about people who attended texas a&m.

(Lives in Texas. If you did also, you too would wish the aggies would either just go away or build enough bonfires to collapse and eliminate aggies from the gene pool)
 
2012-07-06 11:51:00 AM  

trappedspirit: Biness: penguinfark: [cdn2-b.examiner.com image 640x428]

Powerful image. Great photography. Wish I had taken it.

FALSE. White dude with dreds is always terrible in every context.

[www.worldnetdaily.com image 203x129]
Say whut?


If my options are either that we are living as some sick entertainment for a psychotic god who tries to convince us to murder our children, or that we are in The Matrix Reloaded, then all hail the Lord God of Kid Killing and his patron saint Casey Anthony!
 
2012-07-06 11:58:41 AM  
Waldo Pepper I think you're needed in the Creationist Museum thread.
 
2012-07-06 12:01:48 PM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


You spelled worshiping wrong.
 
2012-07-06 12:04:05 PM  

BeSerious: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

You spelled worshiping wrong.


You spelled whoreshopping wrong.
 
2012-07-06 12:10:30 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: If my options are either that we are living as some sick entertainment for a psychotic god who tries to convince us to murder our children, or that we are in The Matrix Reloaded, then all hail the Lord God of Kid Killing and his patron saint Casey Anthony!


Is that because you didn't like the movie or you don't want to be indebted to Keanu?
 
2012-07-06 12:14:01 PM  

trappedspirit: Is that because you didn't like the movie or you don't want to be indebted to Keanu?


Can't it be both? Also, I'm already a fan of the Colonel's delicious fried chicken; I don't want him to be responsible for my entire reality as well.

/good lord did that movie suck balls
//but it was nothing compared to the turd that finally killed that franchise
 
2012-07-06 12:15:00 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Lunaville: I wish I'd thought of approaching the story in that manner. I try to remember that sometimes the questions are more important than the answers, but I don't think I ever taught a religious education lesson with so much creativity and thoughtfulness.

To be honest, religion is all about suppressing and/ or avoiding the tough questions. That's exactly why I had my falling out with it, despite being raised within the church.


A lot of religion is about avoiding tough questions. My meeting is usually pretty good about going after those tough questions. The current crop of volunteers in religious education are certainly coming up with some good questions for the kids to think about.
 
2012-07-06 12:16:50 PM  
Yes, WBC is getting more press, but I think it's gained traction because the Aggies turned it into something unifying and good. I'm always for A&M getting positive attention, because most of us aren't the ignorant morons we are portrayed to be.

Gig 'em.
 
2012-07-06 12:18:38 PM  

MmmmBacon: While ignoring them might work to some degree, the WBC have always found new tactics to employ that allow them to force their message on the rest of us. When the LGBT community ignored them, they started protesting military funerals, for example. If they are ignored there, the WBC will just start protesting children's funerals, or at Little League games (Stealing second base infects little kids with The Ghey, you know), etc.

WBC knows how to push buttons, and if you take one away, they will just push another. And anyway, people of good conscience should not simply ignore Evil when presented with it. Evil such as the WBC should be actively resisted, exposed whenever they crawl out from under their rocks, and not allowed to succeed in any way.


You do just know you proved ignoring them works, right?
 
2012-07-06 12:23:20 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: trappedspirit: Is that because you didn't like the movie or you don't want to be indebted to Keanu?

Can't it be both? Also, I'm already a fan of the Colonel's delicious fried chicken; I don't want him to be responsible for my entire reality as well.

/good lord did that movie suck balls
//but it was nothing compared to the turd that finally killed that franchise


Sure, it can be both, or neither and another reason altogether. I wasn't limiting your choices, just taking a couple of guesses. I was able to enjoy the movie but I wouldn't care to be in a universe where Bill or Ted was the messiah.
 
2012-07-06 12:27:45 PM  

trappedspirit: I was able to enjoy the movie but I wouldn't care to be in a universe where Bill or Ted was the messiah.


Though ironically, I could accept a universe where George Carlin shows up in a time-traveling payphone box to tell me I'm awesome. Wait a minute ... is George Carlin the final version of The Doctor? I'm also okay with this universe.
 
2012-07-06 12:41:05 PM  
I stood against the raging horde of muslin- zombie- terrorist- Visigoth- Norsemen. They didn't show either.
 
2012-07-06 12:50:56 PM  
can we just beat people black and blue when they protest the next funeral? im fine for them being against gay military and all that (its their mind i cant change it) but if they show up to those things and pour salt on fresh wounds then they need to get common curtacy and sense beat into them.

/ drunk someone spell curtazy for me
 
2012-07-06 01:44:47 PM  
But if they yelled "FIRE" in a movie theatre, that would be taking it too far.
 
2012-07-06 01:47:31 PM  

mr smart the great: can we just beat people black and blue when they protest the next funeral? im fine for them being against gay military and all that (its their mind i cant change it) but if they show up to those things and pour salt on fresh wounds then they need to get common curtacy and sense beat into them.

/ drunk someone spell curtazy for me


Hm, are there any states left that allow provisions for "fighting words", that is, cross a certain line verbally, and you need not bother to report the ensuing physical response?
 
2012-07-06 02:07:51 PM  

Lunaville: Hm, are there any states left that allow provisions for "fighting words", that is, cross a certain line verbally, and you need not bother to report the ensuing physical response?


Only Alito still thinks so.
Link


Technically "Fighting Words" is still a legal concept. But the scope of what constitutes fighting words has become so ultra-narrow as to become nothing at all.

Personally, I consider the day that burning a U.S. flag in front of a bunch of disabled war vets became legal, to be the day that "fighting speech" no longer existed at all.
 
2012-07-06 02:08:23 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: This was then followed by hours of whining about how it was all UT's fault


Them tea-sippers are always up to something
 
2012-07-06 02:10:34 PM  
That is the way to deal with the wackos from Westboro Baptist, as sadly we just can't shoot them.


indarwinsshadow sadly yes the 1st amendment protects their rights to make asses of themselves just as it protects everyones right to point out how big of asses they are.
 
2012-07-06 02:40:20 PM  
Much as we'd like to, the WBC cannot and should not be simply ignored. Evil as vile as them will only fester and grow if it's not dealt with.
 
2012-07-06 02:48:12 PM  

doctor wu: Where is the right wing outrage over these assholes? I mean, they wrap themselves in the flag and pretend they love the troops more everyone else, where the hell is all their righteous indignation?


You're kidding right? Yes, democrats protesting military funerals, and going to Iraq in a show of support with Saddam Hussein, haven't exactly made them popular with the "right wing". Link

/yes, I know I'm being trolled.
 
2012-07-06 03:15:48 PM  
Pffft. This guy beat the WBC at their own game. I have no idea why this has not caught on:

Youtube (New Window)
 
2012-07-06 03:17:42 PM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


I choose to make fun of YOU now.
 
2012-07-06 04:20:22 PM  
That takes balls to pull that sh*t in heavily armed Texas.
 
2012-07-06 04:28:11 PM  

Surool: That takes balls to pull that sh*t in heavily armed Texas.


In Obama's America, their 1st Amendment rights trump your 2nd Amendment rights.
 
2012-07-06 04:50:47 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: That takes balls to pull that sh*t in heavily armed Texas.

In Obama's America, their 1st Amendment rights trump your 2nd Amendment rights.


I see you have no f*cking clue what you are talking about. What does your derp drivel have to do with angering Texans who own guns?
 
2012-07-06 04:52:24 PM  

Neondistraction: MmmmBacon: While ignoring them might work to some degree, the WBC have always found new tactics to employ that allow them to force their message on the rest of us. When the LGBT community ignored them, they started protesting military funerals, for example. If they are ignored there, the WBC will just start protesting children's funerals, or at Little League games (Stealing second base infects little kids with The Ghey, you know), etc.



I would love to seem them start protesting Little League games of any sport. Because eventually they'd run into the violently drunk/angry sports dad (you know, the kind that get into fights with other parents or refs/umpires). And no matter how it ends, it would make for an excellent story.


southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

Cant Wait
 
2012-07-06 05:06:59 PM  

Surool: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: That takes balls to pull that sh*t in heavily armed Texas.

In Obama's America, their 1st Amendment rights trump your 2nd Amendment rights.

I see you have no f*cking clue what you are talking about. What does your derp drivel have to do with angering Texans who own guns?


Words can be used as projectiles with near unlimited legal protection. Bullets cannot. Ergo, they can use their "weapons" as much as they want and you can't respond with yours, proving my point.
 
2012-07-06 05:10:49 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: That takes balls to pull that sh*t in heavily armed Texas.

In Obama's America, their 1st Amendment rights trump your 2nd Amendment rights.

I see you have no f*cking clue what you are talking about. What does your derp drivel have to do with angering Texans who own guns?

Words can be used as projectiles with near unlimited legal protection. Bullets cannot. Ergo, they can use their "weapons" as much as they want and you can't respond with yours, proving my point.


You have yet to make a point.
 
2012-07-06 05:11:05 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: That takes balls to pull that sh*t in heavily armed Texas.

In Obama's America, their 1st Amendment rights trump your 2nd Amendment rights.

I see you have no f*cking clue what you are talking about. What does your derp drivel have to do with angering Texans who own guns?

Words can be used as projectiles with near unlimited legal protection. Bullets cannot. Ergo, they can use their "weapons" as much as they want and you can't respond with yours, proving my point.


Your point is that you should be able to murder anyone you want if they say something that annoys you?
 
2012-07-06 05:18:20 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: That takes balls to pull that sh*t in heavily armed Texas.

In Obama's America, their 1st Amendment rights trump your 2nd Amendment rights.

I see you have no f*cking clue what you are talking about. What does your derp drivel have to do with angering Texans who own guns?

Words can be used as projectiles with near unlimited legal protection. Bullets cannot. Ergo, they can use their "weapons" as much as they want and you can't respond with yours, proving my point.

Your point is that you should be able to murder anyone you want if they say something that annoys you?


My point is it doesn't matter if i piss off a Texan with a gun. You can't legally shoot me with bullets in retaliation for me legally shooting you with words. Unless i make a false statement, you are powerless to prevent me from speaking. And any attempts to forcibly shut me up will resort in a lawsuit that I will most surely win. That is WBC's modus operandi. And they are very very good at provoking reactions.
 
2012-07-06 05:36:43 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Keizer_Ghidorah: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: That takes balls to pull that sh*t in heavily armed Texas.

In Obama's America, their 1st Amendment rights trump your 2nd Amendment rights.

I see you have no f*cking clue what you are talking about. What does your derp drivel have to do with angering Texans who own guns?

Words can be used as projectiles with near unlimited legal protection. Bullets cannot. Ergo, they can use their "weapons" as much as they want and you can't respond with yours, proving my point.

Your point is that you should be able to murder anyone you want if they say something that annoys you?

My point is it doesn't matter if i piss off a Texan with a gun. You can't legally shoot me with bullets in retaliation for me legally shooting you with words. Unless i make a false statement, you are powerless to prevent me from speaking. And any attempts to forcibly shut me up will resort in a lawsuit that I will most surely win. That is WBC's modus operandi. And they are very very good at provoking reactions.


Which is the bad part about having freedom of speech. Not that I'm against the idea, but I tend to draw a line when it's being blatantly abused by people like WBC.

Maybe an addendum to the First Amendment that allows freedom from speech, i.e. you're not allowed to crash a gathering and spout hateful, evil, bigoted crap. But then people would argue over slippery slope, government control, the semantics of what hateful and evil and bigoted are, yadda yadda. And in the end we'll still have to let people like WBC continue their blatant abuse of the law.
 
2012-07-06 05:43:01 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Keizer_Ghidorah: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: That takes balls to pull that sh*t in heavily armed Texas.

In Obama's America, their 1st Amendment rights trump your 2nd Amendment rights.

I see you have no f*cking clue what you are talking about. What does your derp drivel have to do with angering Texans who own guns?

Words can be used as projectiles with near unlimited legal protection. Bullets cannot. Ergo, they can use their "weapons" as much as they want and you can't respond with yours, proving my point.

Your point is that you should be able to murder anyone you want if they say something that annoys you?

My point is it doesn't matter if i piss off a Texan with a gun. You can't legally shoot me with bullets in retaliation for me legally shooting you with words. Unless i make a false statement, you are powerless to prevent me from speaking. And any attempts to forcibly shut me up will resort in a lawsuit that I will most surely win. That is WBC's modus operandi. And they are very very good at provoking reactions.

Which is the bad part about having freedom of speech. Not that I'm against the idea, but I tend to draw a line when it's being blatantly abused by people like WBC.

Maybe an addendum to the First Amendment that allows freedom from speech, i.e. you're not allowed to crash a gathering and spout hateful, evil, bigoted crap. But then people would argue over slippery slope, government control, the semantics of what hateful and evil and bigoted are, yadda yadda. And in the end we'll still have to let people like WBC continue their blatant abuse of the law.


I agree
 
2012-07-06 06:20:32 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Keizer_Ghidorah: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: That takes balls to pull that sh*t in heavily armed Texas.

In Obama's America, their 1st Amendment rights trump your 2nd Amendment rights.

I see you have no f*cking clue what you are talking about. What does your derp drivel have to do with angering Texans who own guns?

Words can be used as projectiles with near unlimited legal protection. Bullets cannot. Ergo, they can use their "weapons" as much as they want and you can't respond with yours, proving my point.

Your point is that you should be able to murder anyone you want if they say something that annoys you?

My point is it doesn't matter if i piss off a Texan with a gun. You can't legally shoot me with bullets in retaliation for me legally shooting you with words. Unless i make a false statement, you are powerless to prevent me from speaking. And any attempts to forcibly shut me up will resort in a lawsuit that I will most surely win. That is WBC's modus operandi. And they are very very good at provoking reactions.


As near as I can figure, you thought mistakenly that my comment was in some way serious. That is very sad for you.
 
2012-07-06 07:22:21 PM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


As a "fark atheist" I'd say because they're mean angry bast@#$ who want to disrupt other people's lives. I personally don't care what you believe as long as you leave me alone to live my life as I see fit. I pick my fights with believers who interfere in my or other people's lives. Sure I think you (I'm assuming you're christian from your post) wrong about the whole god thing but as long as you leave me alone you are welcome to your wrongness. Admitedly I too could be wrong and I hope you'll just leave me alone in my (unlikely) wrongness.
 
2012-07-06 07:36:06 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Proverbs 18:21 ESV /
Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruits.

Matthew 15:18 ESV /
But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person.

Proverbs 12:18 ESV /
There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.

Ephesians 4:29 ESV /
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Matthew 12:36 ESV / s
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,

Proverbs 16:24 ESV /
Gracious words are like a honeycomb, sweetness to the soul and health to the body.

Colossians 3:8 ESV /
But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.

Proverbs 13:3 ESV /
Whoever guards his mouth preserves his life; he who opens wide his lips comes to ruin.

Matthew 12:37 ESV /
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

James 1:26 ESV /
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

Proverbs 15:1 ESV /
A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

Proverbs 21:23 ESV /
Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble.

Proverbs 29:20 ESV /
Do you see a man who is hasty in his words? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

Psalm 19:14 ESV
Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O Lord, my rock and my redeemer.


Darn, you missed my favorite one.

Proverbs 17:27-28 KJV

17:27 He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit.
17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

IOW STFU noob.
 
2012-07-06 07:37:11 PM  

publikenemy: Listen everyone..just debating. I'm not gonna win a 1 against 500 debate. I could give a fark what you think of me. I've had a horrible life starting from when I was 10, and continuing....addiction is the current battle I'm in so I won't take on a Fark battle. I come here to laugh not fight, and I'm not trolling. Sometimes when you're down and alone, you wanna believe in something. I don't believe in shiat and have no one to believe in. If you wanna say I have a persecution complex that's o.k., but I honestly was just debating because like I said..I'm searching.

Guess i should stick with the suicide prevention site lol...I'm out, now you have no other "trolls" to toy with hahahha.


I am also an addict. I like to communicate with others like me, if your interested see my profile, I didn't see your e-mail in your profile or I would have e-mailed you.
 
2012-07-06 07:38:13 PM  
*dust rises*
 
2012-07-06 07:42:01 PM  

hillary: Except that Westboro never actually protested at this funeral. So the students blocked... what? Air? This is a news story about a day in which nothing happened.


"Hey, everybody, I misunderstood TFA. My idiocy, let me show you it."
 
2012-07-06 07:58:31 PM  

indarwinsshadow: I'm unfamiliar with American laws, but wouldn't or doesn't the Westboro church fall under a terrorist or hate organization? I ask, because I know they're banned from crossing the border and protesting in Canada. Are they protected by your first amendment?


The U.S. Constitution enshrines a fundamental civil liberty -- arguably our most important -- in the First Amendment, known generally as "freedom of speech." Canada does not include this in theirs. In brief, "free speech" refers to the absolute civil liberty, free from any law or restriction, that assures every citizen's right to express their own views, about absolutely anything. Even hate speech.

There are very few and very narrow restrictions on this right to expression, limited to public safety (often exemplified as "yelling 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre"), sedition (defined as "advocating the *violent* overthrow of the government" -- advocating nonviolent revolution is entirely protected), and advocating for infringing upon the civil rights of others. (E.g., it's perfectly fine to say how much you hate hipsters, but if you explicitly advocate for actions that would violate their civil rights, you've gone too far.)

In the U.S., unlike in Canada, no one can be legally charged or punished for 'hate speech' -- it's legally valid, however odious, to publicly hate people. So-called 'hate groups' (as, for example, tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center and some government agencies) are legal. They are watched, however, partly to track social and political trends related to hate, but also because historically, at least, some hate groups have broken the law. (The KKK, for example, is entirely legal. Lynching people, however, or even advocating for it, is not.)
 
2012-07-06 08:01:52 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: .HAMMERTOE: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

Some ignorance just goes above and beyond vanilla religion and desperately needs to be met head-on. (Apply to the forehead.) While we oppose the hypocrisy of religion on general, we vehemently oppose those who seek to use religion as a cover for hatred, bigotry, corruption, pedophilia, greed, or any other base action which needs dragging out into the light of day and exposing.


It's the age-old argument of how to deal with trolls. Most of the time you want to ignore them because it's not worth 1) giving them attention, and 2) giving yourself an aneurism.

Sometimes, though, they start shiat so putrid that you just have to stand up and say "what is wrong with you? stop that."

In the absence of a real-life banhammer (how I wish...) we'll just have to keep debating.


WBC and their ilk consider any serious responce fuel. The only useful responce, therefore, is to mock them. And not with insults, which is just an analogue (and a very poor one) of serious responce. Comic Con had it right. They're really the only ones who ever have. Ignoring them is best, because any attention they get is good. But if you can't ignore them, ruthlessly lampoon them.
 
2012-07-06 08:05:04 PM  

MonkeyAngst: randomjsa: optikeye: The sooner everyone starts to simply ignore these people the better.
The gay community realized this years ago. So now, WBC is moving on to other targets.
They're attention whores, and trolls. Any attention just feeds them.

That's not quite right.

They basically run around doing this crap so they can sue and take people to court if anyone tries to stop them from doing this crap. That's how they make a fair amount of their money. The gay community didn't so much ignore them as they figured out how not to get sued by them... And THAT'S why WBC moved on to new targets.

I've heard that stated, but I haven't found anything indicating it's true. They have sued, and they've won some money, but according to the SPLC website they've lost more than they've won, which doesn't sound like a very good business model.


Well, except that if your legal assistance is free -- and theirs always is -- then it's not that bad a gamble, because the losses are much shorter than the gains, infrequent as they may be. Spam and Nigerian scams work on the same principle -- most attempts will result in no hits at all, and some cost -- but they are clearly profitable, or no one would do it.
 
2012-07-06 08:15:19 PM  

johnnyrocket: Is this Westboro thing some kind of art project or long running punk'd episode? These people can't be an actual organization that believe their signs, can they?


It's a cult, of sorts. The old man is pathologically hateful ("addicted to hate," according to his own estranged son), and his spawn are apparently either brainwashed or just insane. (Bear in mind that some forms of mental illness tend to run in families.) They are also very sharp lawyers, and so it's no joke to go up against them in any manner. They all live together in a gated compound on one city block in Topeka, and most of them are related to each other by blood or marriage, but for a few true believers who've joined them.

It may be easier or less troubling to imagine they are professional trolls or some kind of very bizarre performance artists. (It's even been suggested that they might be *pro* gay, and do all this to drum up support for gay rights through extreme negative psychology.) But human nature being what it is, it seems very unlikely, given the complicating factors of time and numbers: this many people all agreeing to do the same thing for this long, and with this much dedication, are almost certainly exactly what they present themselves to be.

On their site (use protection if you go, and I'm not joking when I say that), the old man lays out a fascinating exegesis in the FAQ. It mostly proves that you can get the Bible to say pretty much anything you want it to, but it also shows that at least in the Biblical terms they subscribe to, their view is hard to dispute. Which also helps to support the consideration that they really are true believers.
 
2012-07-06 08:25:51 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Personally, I consider the day that burning a U.S. flag in front of a bunch of disabled war vets became legal, to be the day that "fighting speech" no longer existed at all.


The question isn't whether the inspiration for an infraction is illegal, but whether the alleged severity thereof fully mitigates the liability of the responder. The concept of "fighting words" doesn't ask if it's illegal for me to call your mother a whore, but if my doing so makes it okay for you to hit me because I said it.
 
2012-07-06 08:29:37 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Gramma: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Gramma: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Barricaded Gunman: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right? Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

fark you and your retarded "y'all." Is that better?

They's plenty wrong with y'all, but they ain't nothin' wrong with "y'all".

You - second person singular
y'all - second person plural
all y'all - every person present
makes more sense than using 'you' for every case.

except that y'all is a contraction of you all, and implies everyone in the group. All y'all is redundant.

"y'all" isn't used that way, though. At least not in Texas. Y'all is used to mean the plural 'you'. If you mean everybody, you have to siip an 'all' in front of "'y'all. "

which is why its a redneck plural. Here in California, if it is used at all, its used properly. Anyone says "All Y'all" is laughed at as a hick.


Are you trying to win some contest to see how annoying you can be?
 
2012-07-06 08:36:20 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: HAMMERTOE: Waldo Pepper: where in the Christian Bible does it state that today's believers should sacrifice their first born?

Surely you know the story of Abraham and Isaac, don't you?

And surely you know that God was only testing Abraham and never intended for him to go through with it?


I guess for their children's sake, we'll have to hope and pray that the God some people may imagine to be testing their faith commands them to stop in time.
 
2012-07-06 08:40:13 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Lorelle: publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.

It's not about protecting the church, it's about protecting a family's right to grieve in peace without being harassed by a group of assholes.

/atheist

I agree

/Calvinist


Agree.

/agnostic
 
2012-07-06 08:53:09 PM  

Langdon Alger: I think it's funny as an Aggie, we call ourselves "former students" not "alumni"


Forgive me for saying so, but that saddens me a little. I'd like to think that anyone who's been to school never stops being a student.
 
2012-07-06 08:54:41 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: I still don't get how making an arse out of yourself at a private funeral that has nothing to do with you falls under protected speech.


Anything not proscribed by law is legal.

I'm guessing you don't get a lot of things.
 
2012-07-06 09:11:31 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Anything not proscribed by law is legal.

I'm guessing you don't get a lot of things.


Are disorderly conduct and harassment legal? I'm guessing you didn't like my handle and wanted to make a oh so witty comment.

Disorderly conduct - A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally:
(1) engages in fighting or in tumultuous conduct;
(2) makes unreasonable noise and continues to do so after being asked to stop; or
(3) disrupts a lawful assembly of persons

Harassment - commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive. In the legal sense, it is intentional behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing.

Enjoy, courtesy of Wikipedia.
 
2012-07-06 09:24:03 PM  

publikenemy: Why bother? It's a church they're protecting. Why protect a church Fark atheists? Let them all be stupid right? Why not mock the Lt. Col., and all the people worshipping at the church. After all, they are stupid believers of the great spaghetti monster in the sky right?

Am I doing this right? Funny how y'all pick and choose when to make fun of Christians.


That's because, in general, most human beings have a thought process level higher than 'this person is not like me IS ENEMY MUST KILL NOW MUST KILL!!!11!!'. Tell me, what's it like being from another planet?
 
2012-07-06 09:47:12 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Anything not proscribed by law is legal.

I'm guessing you don't get a lot of things.

Are disorderly conduct and harassment legal? I'm guessing you didn't like my handle and wanted to make a oh so witty comment.

Disorderly conduct - A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally:
(1) engages in fighting or in tumultuous conduct;
(2) makes unreasonable noise and continues to do so after being asked to stop; or
(3) disrupts a lawful assembly of persons

Harassment - commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive. In the legal sense, it is intentional behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing.

Enjoy, courtesy of Wikipedia.


No, those infractions are obviously not legal. And yes, disrupting a "private" funeral may be actionable. But I think you misunderstand what "private" means in this case. (I assume you're commenting in context of WBC activities.)

I believe you when you say, "I still don't get how making an arse out of yourself at a private funeral that has nothing to do with you falls under protected speech." I don't disagree at all with your statement that you don't get it. I'm just saying that the reason you don't get it is because you don't 'get' the law. But more to the point, it seems to me that you mean to imply that those charged with interpreting and enforcing the law must not "get it," rather than you. If so, I would argue that you are mistaken.

/legal assistant
 
2012-07-06 09:49:29 PM  

LordJiro: Radical Christians are the reason why two people who love eachother cannot marry if they're the same gender. Radical Christians are why, until VERY recently, I couldn't buy beer on Sunday. Radical Christians are why several states are pushing bullshiat anti-abortion laws.

Religious fundamentalism is a disease ...and you only have to look at certain countries in the Middle East to see how that disease can kill a country. And it CAN happen here.


It's amazing you're that naive. It's not "Radical Christians". It's people that use Christianity as their excuse. Trust me, if they couldn't blame the Bible, they'd find something else.
 
2012-07-06 09:53:24 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: I believe you when you say, "I still don't get how making an arse out of yourself at a private funeral that has nothing to do with you falls under protected speech." I don't disagree at all with your statement that you don't get it. I'm just saying that the reason you don't get it is because you don't 'get' the law. But more to the point, it seems to me that you mean to imply that those charged with interpreting and enforcing the law must not "get it," rather than you. If so, I would argue that you are mistaken.


Thank you for the 5 sentence paragraph where you failed to say anything new.

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: /legal assistant


It shows.
 
2012-07-06 10:00:05 PM  

Loreweaver: Optimus Primate: Pontious Pilates: According to the article, WBC didn't even show up! What a bunch of spineless douchebags. Can't even stick to their attention whoring guns.

Spineless douchebags? Hardly. The WBC is anything but spineless. This is a brilliant strategy on their part, and actually achieves their desired attention whoring goals perfectly without them having to spend a penny or even make any effort. They have opted for this "press release/no show" gambit quite a bit lately...and it works like a charm.

Until people start simply ignoring them, like any troll, they will never go away.

At the same time, if no one shows up to block these trolls, and WBC *does* show up, they will have yet another chance to destroy the lives of a grieving family.

WBC does not stop at just public protests the funerals. They also like to frequently eviscerate the grieving families on their website, then continue to harass the families for days on end, rubbing salt in the wound, just because they can get away with it.

They may be attention whores, but they are also hateful little sadists that masturbate to the suffering they cause those families. Ignoring them may get rid of the attention whore part, but that fact remains they still wish to inflict pain on everyone around them, and they will find other means to do so.

For that reason, I find I can't just ignore them. It only gives them the opportunity to do far more harmful things while no one is looking.


I appreciate how you feel about this, but you are misusing a lot of these words. The WBC has never 'eviscerated' anyone. And they have never legally perpetrated harassment, either. They're odious little trolls, but they are law-abiding citizens. It's sometimes argued that the fact that they "get away with it" is proof that the law itself is deeply flawed, but I vehemently argue the opposite: It proves that Freedom of Speech, as an American principle, is strong, and our endurance of this most extreme exercise thereof proves that we are strong. Other countries would lock these fools up, or silence them. We are better than that, for the fact that we do not.

The very hard thing about civil liberties is that we all have them. This, then, is the price of such high freedom: There will be times when we must be strong enough, principled enough, disciplined enough, and devoted enough to upholding and defending our liberties that we will endure even this. The alternative -- the remedies that are too often suggested -- are dark to consider. What if it is *your* speech that someone wishes to censor next? And if your speech, what other liberties may be negotiable, suppressable, disposable? What, if any, American principles are absolute? Surely, even a man in chains must have the freedom to speak his mind, whatever he may have to say, even if no one else wants to hear or listen, or if no one else agrees. And since we all want that right, we must be willing to defend it for EVERYONE else.
 
2012-07-06 10:07:53 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: And since we all want that right, we must be willing to defend it for EVERYONE else.


OK, kiddie porn, technical details for making nuclear bombs, and Hillary Clinton's last speculum finding it is. I'm going to be selling popcorn and used cars during your mom's funeral, I hope you're cool with that.
 
2012-07-06 11:07:40 PM  

Optimus Primate: Spineless douchebags? Hardly. The WBC is anything but spineless. This is a brilliant strategy on their part, and actually achieves their desired attention whoring goals perfectly without them having to spend a penny or even make any effort.


Whiny, spoiled little self-entitled instant-gratification Gen-X brats. Can't even be bothered to perform their own little stunts. "We'll get the press to do all the work for us!"
 
2012-07-06 11:21:48 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Loreweaver: Optimus Primate: Pontious Pilates: According to the article, WBC didn't even show up! What a bunch of spineless douchebags. Can't even stick to their attention whoring guns.

Spineless douchebags? Hardly. The WBC is anything but spineless. This is a brilliant strategy on their part, and actually achieves their desired attention whoring goals perfectly without them having to spend a penny or even make any effort. They have opted for this "press release/no show" gambit quite a bit lately...and it works like a charm.

Until people start simply ignoring them, like any troll, they will never go away.

At the same time, if no one shows up to block these trolls, and WBC *does* show up, they will have yet another chance to destroy the lives of a grieving family.

WBC does not stop at just public protests the funerals. They also like to frequently eviscerate the grieving families on their website, then continue to harass the families for days on end, rubbing salt in the wound, just because they can get away with it.

They may be attention whores, but they are also hateful little sadists that masturbate to the suffering they cause those families. Ignoring them may get rid of the attention whore part, but that fact remains they still wish to inflict pain on everyone around them, and they will find other means to do so.

For that reason, I find I can't just ignore them. It only gives them the opportunity to do far more harmful things while no one is looking.

I appreciate how you feel about this, but you are misusing a lot of these words. The WBC has never 'eviscerated' anyone. And they have never legally perpetrated harassment, either. They're odious little trolls, but they are law-abiding citizens. It's sometimes argued that the fact that they "get away with it" is proof that the law itself is deeply flawed, but I vehemently argue the opposite: It proves that Freedom of Speech, as an American principle, is strong, and our endurance of this most extreme exercise th ...


I'm sorry, but when you're blatantly and happily using your freedom to fark around with people, cause a scene, and inflict emotional damage on others, then that freedom needs to be temporarily taken away. Like a misbehaving child smashing things with his baseball bat, you take away the bat until he learns not to misuse it.

I'm all for free speech, but when it's being used for nothing other than preaching hate, bigotry, and idiocy, then they've shown that they failed to properly use their freedom. We can argue ethics and semantics all day long, but I feel that those who can't use something properly shouldn't be allowed access to it.
 
2012-07-07 01:20:01 AM  

hillary: My dog is an amazing example of how to properly repel elephants. There has not been one elephant within miles of my house ever since I adopted the dog. Why doesn't the news report that?


Really? I am plagued by elephants here in Chicago. Guess cats are not good at elephant prevention. On the other hand, no vikings or ninjas! So the cats are good at that at least.
 
2012-07-07 01:22:10 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Surool: That takes balls to pull that sh*t in heavily armed Texas.

In Obama's America, their 1st Amendment rights trump your 2nd Amendment rights.


Fixed that for you.
 
2012-07-07 02:24:52 AM  
Mind=blown! I know Ryan, the guy who organized this. He is an incredible person.
 
2012-07-07 04:01:02 AM  

KidneyStone: MmmmBacon: While ignoring them might work to some degree, the WBC have always found new tactics to employ that allow them to force their message on the rest of us. When the LGBT community ignored them, they started protesting military funerals, for example. If they are ignored there, the WBC will just start protesting children's funerals, or at Little League games (Stealing second base infects little kids with The Ghey, you know), etc.

WBC knows how to push buttons, and if you take one away, they will just push another. And anyway, people of good conscience should not simply ignore Evil when presented with it. Evil such as the WBC should be actively resisted, exposed whenever they crawl out from under their rocks, and not allowed to succeed in any way.

You'd be so much more believable if you had knowledge of the matter about which you pontificate. They've protested at many a child's funeral.

They need to be completely ignored and the media needs to stop producing coverage of them.

And sure as shiat Fark should stop greenlighting articles about them but hey, just like MSM, more outrage means more clicks and more ads viewed


Of course they have protested at children's funerals, but it isn't their primary schtick. Those are outliers at best, with their primary target being military funerals. That's where their 'bread & butter' is right now. That was my point, but way to focus on one statement to try to undermine my whole point.

/golfclap.
 
2012-07-07 08:43:39 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: I'm sorry, but when you're blatantly and happily using your freedom to fark around with people, cause a scene, and inflict emotional damage on others, then that freedom needs to be temporarily taken away. Like a misbehaving child smashing things with his baseball bat, you take away the bat until he learns not to misuse it.

I'm all for free speech, but when it's being used for nothing other than preaching hate, bigotry, and idiocy, then they've shown that they failed to properly use their freedom. We can argue ethics and semantics all day long, but I feel that those who can't use something properly shouldn't be allowed access to it.


Again, I really do appreciate how you feel about it. But I must argue the law here, and I don't mean just the letter of the law. What you're arguing here are subjective qualities that are extremely difficult to codify -- and extremely dangerous to codify, without very substantial and very strict safeguards.

One way to argue this, for example, is that anyone's speech *might* be their sincere, heartfelt view, no matter how it may come across to others, and who is anyone else to say otherwise, and infringe upon that speaker's civil liberties? Hell, I'd be happy to silence at least half the idiots just on Fark. What constitutes 'actionable' conduct, as you so unambiguously say should be legally restrictable and even actionable, is very much a matter of viewpoint. And our First Amendment protection of free speech is meant to protect that for *everyone*, not just people you like and agree with. It is not for you to decide when and how anyone else's expressed views transgress some invisible line where it becomes a criminal act. Not for you, me, or anyone. It is not for us to decide who is 'properly' exercising their civil liberties and who is not.

This is how it must be, in order for all of us to enjoy this very important freedom. And it does mean that we have to endure the nonviolent hatred of some very sick-minded people from time to time. That's part of the price of being a citizen in a free country. There are other counties that would more readily agree with your view. Canada, for example, where citizens can be and sometimes are charged and even jailed for 'hate speech'. I don't know how they decide that, but I hope I never have to find out.

Again, I appreciate how you *feel* about this -- these people's antics disgust me, too. But I do not see this as an excuse to whittle away even more of our civil rights. Believe me, it's entirely possible to forge a well-behaved society; it's been done before. But if you study history, you'll see that such societies aren't much fun to live in. (Depending who you are, of course: If you're among those in power, it can be great fun, I'm sure. The odds aren't very good, though, and power is often short-lived.) Like it or not, freedom is for everyone. Some people will indeed abuse that, but that's the price of it. Deal with it.
 
2012-07-07 08:52:40 AM  

MmmmBacon: KidneyStone: MmmmBacon: While ignoring them might work to some degree, the WBC have always found new tactics to employ that allow them to force their message on the rest of us. When the LGBT community ignored them, they started protesting military funerals, for example. If they are ignored there, the WBC will just start protesting children's funerals, or at Little League games (Stealing second base infects little kids with The Ghey, you know), etc.

WBC knows how to push buttons, and if you take one away, they will just push another. And anyway, people of good conscience should not simply ignore Evil when presented with it. Evil such as the WBC should be actively resisted, exposed whenever they crawl out from under their rocks, and not allowed to succeed in any way.

You'd be so much more believable if you had knowledge of the matter about which you pontificate. They've protested at many a child's funeral.

They need to be completely ignored and the media needs to stop producing coverage of them.

And sure as shiat Fark should stop greenlighting articles about them but hey, just like MSM, more outrage means more clicks and more ads viewed

Of course they have protested at children's funerals, but it isn't their primary schtick. Those are outliers at best, with their primary target being military funerals. That's where their 'bread & butter' is right now. That was my point, but way to focus on one statement to try to undermine my whole point.

/golfclap.


I think this is the wrong way to look at it. They can and certainly will stoop to the morally villainous to get the reactions they crave. Children's funerals today, children's day schools tomorrow. At this point, I wouldn't put anything past them. This is a challenge for our time, though, and we've already failed several other critical tests along these lines: Terrorists sought to victimise our entire nation, and they've largely succeeded so far, by convincing us to suspend our own liberties for the illusory sake of 'safety': safety means very little if you can't enjoy the freedom you're supposed to have instead, and the world won't ever be safe for anyone, or free for fearful people. Now we've got people ready to gut freedom of speech so that they won't have to be offended. Just stop and think about this, everyone: these are idiots holding *signs* and occasionally yelling some idiocy at anyone nearby. They're not armed. They have never committed an act of violence upon anyone, nor advocated for it. Hell, the old man could go any second, and his daughter is just crazy. We're really going to tinker with the First Amendment because of these trolls? Can't we possibly be better and smarter than that?
 
2012-07-07 11:26:33 AM  

Langdon Alger: I think it's funny as an Aggie, we call ourselves "former students" not "alumni"


And the rest of the world calls you dumbshiat farmers.
 
2012-07-07 08:38:00 PM  

MmmmBacon: While ignoring them might work to some degree, the WBC have always found new tactics to employ that allow them to force their message on the rest of us. When the LGBT community ignored them, they started protesting military funerals, for example. If they are ignored there, the WBC will just start protesting children's funerals, or at Little League games (Stealing second base infects little kids with The Ghey, you know), etc.

WBC knows how to push buttons, and if you take one away, they will just push another. And anyway, people of good conscience should not simply ignore Evil when presented with it. Evil such as the WBC should be actively resisted, exposed whenever they crawl out from under their rocks, and not allowed to succeed in any way.


And yet, if I hose them down with a Tommy gun and make the world an 387% friendlier and more compassionate place in the space of fifteen seconds, I'm the one that would be sent to jail. Does that seem right to you?
 
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