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(Think Progress)   The SCOTUS's decision not to deny millions of people of health care is just like that time an earlier SCOTUS denied citizenship for thousands of people because they were black, at least according to false equivalency scholar RAND PAUL   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 195
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2012-07-06 09:01:21 AM

badhatharry: Obamacare is what is going to end up denying people healthcare.


Which element of the legislation will have that effect again?
Oh, have you taken 'the test' yet?
 
2012-07-06 09:01:34 AM

badhatharry: Obamacare is what is going to end up denying people healthcare.


Indeed. Taxpayers are the Jews for Obamacare's ovens. Seeing Roberts turn against us in this decision, I know know exactly how Jesus felt when Judas betrayed him.
 
2012-07-06 09:03:17 AM
fracto73

Noam Chimpsky: DammitIForgotMyLogin: randomjsa: it would have bipartisan support,

Oh fark off, you disingenous pile of steaming horsecrap. Nothing that Obama could do about anything would have bipartisan support, because he's Obama.

Are we supposed to support him because he's black?


The GOP flipped out when Obama, like many other presidents before him, told kids to stay in school. Is your position that they opposed him because they believe kids should drop out of high school? If they support kids staying in school, why did they oppose him?



Are you talking about Obama wanting to raise the drop out age to 18? I don't remember seeing anything about the GOP flipping out over this?
 
2012-07-06 09:04:45 AM

NateGrey: Boatmech: randomjsa:
Derp.

You truely do live in an alternate universe don't you.

Republicans live in their own little bubble where John Roberts is the libbest lib to ever lib.


I think it goes deeper than that. I think they're so wrapped up in esoteric ideology that they can't see the real world harm their "values" cause. it's all academic to them, which is ironic considering their anti-intellectual bent. They bleat endlessly about the "beltway mentality" but are more interested in party purity and interpreting the intentions of long dead "founding fathers" than they are of actually looking at the world the way it is and doing something to make it better.
 
2012-07-06 09:05:22 AM
This Supreme Court decision is just like the time the Christian crusaders invaded Jerusalem in the First Crusade and massacred all the tens of thousands of non-Christian women and children who lived there.
 
2012-07-06 09:06:28 AM
RAND NEPOTISM!
 
2012-07-06 09:08:35 AM
 
2012-07-06 09:09:01 AM

L82DPRT:
Give it up randomjsa. It's Obamatown.


Like most Republicans, he brings no facts, citations, or interesting points to the discussion.

One idiot in this thread thinks there are death panels.

Can you be the one Republican that can actually have an intelligent conversation?
 
2012-07-06 09:09:42 AM

karnal: fracto73

Noam Chimpsky: DammitIForgotMyLogin: randomjsa: it would have bipartisan support,

Oh fark off, you disingenous pile of steaming horsecrap. Nothing that Obama could do about anything would have bipartisan support, because he's Obama.

Are we supposed to support him because he's black?


The GOP flipped out when Obama, like many other presidents before him, told kids to stay in school. Is your position that they opposed him because they believe kids should drop out of high school? If they support kids staying in school, why did they oppose him?


Are you talking about Obama wanting to raise the drop out age to 18? I don't remember seeing anything about the GOP flipping out over this?



Obama addressed school kids, like other presidents before him. Republicans urged parents to keep kids out of school for the day. They accused him of indoctrination.
 
2012-07-06 09:10:38 AM
Seriously, Rand, get your talking points straight. You're supposed to reference the Dred Scott decision when talking about abortion.
 
2012-07-06 09:12:03 AM
As a Kentuckian, I feel like I have to apologize in every Rand Paul/Mitch McConnell thread. I'm sorry. I voted for Conway. Not much better, but better nonetheless. There just wasn't enough of us.

So, there you go.
 
2012-07-06 09:12:22 AM
The irony of a headline claiming false equivalency being in and of itself a false equivalency.
 
2012-07-06 09:12:35 AM

john_frost: The 16K it is going to cost a Family of 4 to buy this expensive Insurance we call Obamcare

Thats the part where everyone takes their money and leaves the system.


There are families (parents with kids) that don't buy insurance for their children? So, what, they just take them to the ER everytime because "it's free"? I guess paying your own way is antithetical to the rugged individualists.
 
2012-07-06 09:12:49 AM

john_frost: The 16K it is going to cost a Family of 4 to buy this expensive Insurance we call Obamcare

Thats the part where everyone takes their money and leaves the system.


When everyone goes Galt on Obamacare, it will be the sweetest victory since the rebel alliance destroyed the second Deathstar at Endor.
 
2012-07-06 09:12:53 AM
I love when Conservatives use Dredd Scott. Conservatives loved the decision when it came out.
 
2012-07-06 09:14:02 AM

badhatharry: LordJiro: badhatharry: Obamacare is what is going to end up denying people healthcare.

I'd ask you to elaborate, or offer a better plan to fix our hopelessly-broken health care system, but I've already heard the talking points. Lemme guess, you're gonna blather on about 'rationing' or 'death panels'?

Oh, then you already know about rationing and death panels.


You're a birther who believes in ghosts and alien visits. Color me shocked that you subscribe to conspiracy theories on health care, too.
 
2012-07-06 09:14:26 AM

Skleenar: Boatmech: You truely do live in an alternate universe don't you.

This sort of criticism is exactly like what Pol Pot did in Cambodia.


Your hyperbolic responses are just like the Romans throwing Christians to the lions.
 
2012-07-06 09:14:51 AM

Boatmech: When 50.1% of the people turned against the Iraq war, it was time to shut it down and pull out completely but no matter how many people are against ObamaCare, it's never time to listen to the will of the people.

You truely do live in an alternate universe don't you.


Especially as support for Obamacare has increased since the Supreme Court ruling.
 
2012-07-06 09:16:15 AM

Cataholic: The irony of a headline claiming false equivalency being in and of itself a false equivalency.


Uhh...

o.O
 
2012-07-06 09:16:36 AM

NateGrey: L82DPRT:
Give it up randomjsa. It's Obamatown.

Like most Republicans, he brings no facts, citations, or interesting points to the discussion.

One idiot in this thread thinks there are death panels.

Can you be the one Republican that can actually have an intelligent conversation?


I think Paul's point is that SCOTUS has made wrong decisions in the past and Paul disagrees with the rubber stamp pull some made up justification out of your ass Roberts decision.

/Fark Independent since 1985.
 
2012-07-06 09:16:56 AM

john_frost: The 16K it is going to cost a Family of 4 to buy this expensive Insurance we call Obamcare

Thats the part where everyone takes their money and leaves the system.


You mean like what happened in Massachusetts with MAHealth?

Oh wait, the Commonwealth has got 98% coverage now and the plan my family has through the Health Connector is actually cheaper and covers more than was covered by a previous plan we had with an employer.

But, please, proceed with your fortune telling. It's amusing.
 
2012-07-06 09:17:23 AM

amiable: Wow, these talkingpoints are so non-sensical now I don't even thing the tea-tards understand them.


They never understood them. They are just like a musical score, background accompaniment for their persistent rage.
 
2012-07-06 09:17:44 AM

john_frost: The 16K...


Where's that value from? Your ass is not a reliable source, unless we're talking about stank.
What's the income of the family in question? Even using your assumed value, if it's a family pulling in 100k, they'll be fine.
Do they not already have health care? Most people 'do' already have health insurance, this is for those who do NOT. The poor/destitute are the ones who need it most and.... that leads nicely into...
Do you realize there's money to assist the 'po' folk out there to better be able to afford that coverage? There's assistance for people who cannot afford this. And if you don't WANT to get that coverage, you pay the penalty for being a schmuck. Easy peasy.
 
2012-07-06 09:17:52 AM

john_frost: NateGrey: L82DPRT:
Give it up randomjsa. It's Obamatown.

Like most Democrat's, he brings no facts, citations, or interesting points to the discussion.

One idiot in this thread thinks there are death panels, because only the Gov can deny you Health Care, like they do in Canada

Can you be the one Democrat that can actually have an intelligent conversation?

/there, fixed it


Let me guess, Teabagger from Kentucky who knows all about Canada's healthcare system because Neil Cavuto told you.

/Vote Republican
 
2012-07-06 09:19:20 AM
The deliberate misrepresentation of what Rand Paul was trying to say (that the Supreme Court sometimes revisits, and changes decisions) is exactly the same as the Death Panels.
 
2012-07-06 09:20:29 AM

Great_Milenko: NateGrey: Boatmech: randomjsa:
Derp.

You truely do live in an alternate universe don't you.

Republicans live in their own little bubble where John Roberts is the libbest lib to ever lib.


I think it goes deeper than that. I think they're so wrapped up in esoteric ideology that they can't see the real world harm their "values" cause. it's all academic to them, which is ironic considering their anti-intellectual bent. They bleat endlessly about the "beltway mentality" but are more interested in party purity and interpreting the intentions of long dead "founding fathers" than they are of actually looking at the world the way it is and doing something to make it better.


Liberals can't see the harm in their values. Doing "good" is all they can see. They never see the down side of letting the government take care of peoples' needs.
 
2012-07-06 09:20:38 AM

fracto73: Noam Chimpsky: DammitIForgotMyLogin: randomjsa: it would have bipartisan support,

Oh fark off, you disingenous pile of steaming horsecrap. Nothing that Obama could do about anything would have bipartisan support, because he's Obama.

Are we supposed to support him because he's black?


The GOP flipped out when Obama, like many other presidents before him, told kids to stay in school. Is your position that they opposed him because they believe kids should drop out of high school? If they support kids staying in school, why did they oppose him?


An obvious strawman is the best you can come up with? You think everyone should support him because he has some African blood. It's very strange.
 
2012-07-06 09:21:10 AM

Pro Zack: The deliberate misrepresentation of what Rand Paul was trying to say (that the Supreme Court sometimes revisits, and changes decisions) is exactly the same as the Death Panels.


If that's what he was trying to say then he was illustrating his historical ignorance with his example. Dred Scott was not revisited by the Supreme Court.
 
2012-07-06 09:21:46 AM

john_frost: You willing to have an Intelligent conversation? So far you Fail.


Account created: 2012-07-05 08:40:55

Not a fan of day old alts. Try someone else to troll.
 
2012-07-06 09:23:05 AM

Noam Chimpsky: An obvious strawman is the best you can come up with? You think everyone should support him because he has some African blood. It's very strange.


Any more racist posts personally attacking posters to make? Stop giving mods work by cleaning up your Republican garbage.
 
2012-07-06 09:23:12 AM

ManRay: "The SCOTUS's decision not to deny millions of people of health care.."

Yep. That frames the subject accurately. Good job staying above the fray.


i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-06 09:23:19 AM

badhatharry: Liberals can't see the harm in their values. Doing "good" is all they can see. They never see the down side of letting the government take care of peoples' needs.


Oh do tell what the downside of not letting people starve or suffer for lack of access to healthcare is.
 
2012-07-06 09:23:23 AM

Pro Zack: The deliberate misrepresentation of what Rand Paul was trying to say (that the Supreme Court sometimes revisits, and changes decisions) is exactly the same as the Death Panels.


If that is an accurate description of his opinion, it would be more akin to the "Obama promised not to raise taxes" lie.
 
2012-07-06 09:24:53 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Did he tie everything back to low flow toilets again?


And CFL's. They have to be part of it somehow. Perhaps it was the .mesmerizing light cast by a CFL in Roberts' chambers that temporarily confused him and got him to vote for the wrong side?
 
2012-07-06 09:25:03 AM

NateGrey: john_frost: You willing to have an Intelligent conversation? So far you Fail.

Account created: 2012-07-05 08:40:55

Not a fan of day old alts. Try someone else to troll.


It's always a little sad to Ignore such a young troll, but here we are.
 
2012-07-06 09:25:36 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Boatmech: When 50.1% of the people turned against the Iraq war, it was time to shut it down and pull out completely but no matter how many people are against ObamaCare, it's never time to listen to the will of the people.

You truely do live in an alternate universe don't you.

Especially as support for Obamacare has increased since the Supreme Court ruling.


Because when reading the Bible or whatever your holy book is fails to instruct you that this is the right thing to do, trust 9 people in black clothes.

cache.gawker.com

//not trying to insinuate SCOTUS is wrong, I just think it's funny that tards can't decide anything for themselves any more.
 
2012-07-06 09:25:39 AM

john_frost: Cinaed: john_frost: The 16K...

Where's that value from? Your ass is not a reliable source, unless we're talking about stank.
What's the income of the family in question? Even using your assumed value, if it's a family pulling in 100k, they'll be fine.
Do they not already have health care? Most people 'do' already have health insurance, this is for those who do NOT. The poor/destitute are the ones who need it most and.... that leads nicely into...
Do you realize there's money to assist the 'po' folk out there to better be able to afford that coverage? There's assistance for people who cannot afford this. And if you don't WANT to get that coverage, you pay the penalty for being a schmuck. Easy peasy.

Washington Post did the study? Do you realize most folks earn below $80K? And so can't afford Obamacare?

Do you really want them on the dole? I think yes.


Want them on the "dole"? No. Think having people on the "dole" is better then letting them suffer from lack of access to healthcare? Damn straight.
 
2012-07-06 09:25:49 AM
fracto73

karnal: fracto73

Noam Chimpsky: DammitIForgotMyLogin: randomjsa: it would have bipartisan support,

Oh fark off, you disingenous pile of steaming horsecrap. Nothing that Obama could do about anything would have bipartisan support, because he's Obama.

Are we supposed to support him because he's black?


The GOP flipped out when Obama, like many other presidents before him, told kids to stay in school. Is your position that they opposed him because they believe kids should drop out of high school? If they support kids staying in school, why did they oppose him?


Are you talking about Obama wanting to raise the drop out age to 18? I don't remember seeing anything about the GOP flipping out over this?


Obama addressed school kids, like other presidents before him. Republicans urged parents to keep kids out of school for the day. They accused him of indoctrination.


Yes...I remember. Something similar happened when they were showing This Video at schools.
 
2012-07-06 09:26:40 AM

john_frost: My neighbor just moved out of [Massachusetts] because the costs went up, and the Commonwealth chased his insurance company away.


No, he didn't.

What happened to your previous alt?
 
2012-07-06 09:26:52 AM
The Republican messaging on this issue has been absolutely terrible (which is odd because that is usually their strong point). I still say it is a function of the fact that they honestly thought they were going to win the Supreme Court case and when it came down against them they really didn't know how to react. Over the past week there has been a variety of weak-sauce responses ranging from "this is really a win for Republican's because Robert's called it a tax" to "we will elect Mitt Romney, take the Senate and repeal the whole thing" to "this is the end of the Republic as we know it, AAAARGHGGGG."

I think a few things are going on here:

1. The dream of a conservative judiciary that would support all of their crazy agenda is dead. Roberts drove a stake right through the heart of that, and this is something that Republicans have been struggling for literally for 50 years. That's why you see all the attacks on Robert's, he really is their Judas as he crushed a half-century conservative dream.

2. The Republicans chose the absolute worst candidate for President to attack Obamacare. He is literally the only other human being ever to sign a health care bill with an individual mandate into law. You can see the messaging confusion over the past couple of days as Mitt tries to have it both ways, but he knows he can't. Either Obamacare is not a tax and the Republican's lose the talking point or it is a tax that their own candidate also instituted.

3. Conservatives hate losing. They REALLY hate losing to the Kenyan, Muslim, socialist usurper. That's why you see all the spinning to try to turn this into a win and all the doom saying crazy (like this Rand Paul) article. To accept their defeat graciously and move on (like the Democrats have basically done on 2nd amendment issues) is beyond their capabilities. So they will keep hammering on this point, even if it is a detriment to them politically because they literally cannot help themselves. Sure it may rile up the base but most of the non-crazy Conservative-leaning Independents are already sick of it.
 
2012-07-06 09:27:34 AM

Noam Chimpsky: An obvious strawman is the best you can come up with? You think everyone should support him because he has some African blood. It's very strange.


I know. It seems that liberals are exactly as racist as the KKK. I'd probably be better at identifying this, if I could even see races at all. But when I look out my window, everyone pretty much looks the same to me, except for the wetbacks that water the greens.
 
2012-07-06 09:27:46 AM

john_frost: Philip Francis Queeg: badhatharry: Liberals can't see the harm in their values. Doing "good" is all they can see. They never see the down side of letting the government take care of peoples' needs.

Oh do tell what the downside of not letting people starve or suffer for lack of access to healthcare is.

First Fact. Everyone in the USA has access to healthcare, so you Failed.

keep it up.


Yeah go to your local ER, tell them you can't pay and demand a colonoscopy. See how well that works out.
 
2012-07-06 09:28:02 AM
RAND PAUL wants a Constitutional amendment to make Obamacare illegal.
 
2012-07-06 09:29:08 AM

chimp_ninja: john_frost: My neighbor just moved out of [Massachusetts] because the costs went up, and the Commonwealth chased his insurance company away.

No, he didn't.

What happened to your previous alt?


Some what coherent, more so than "FOREVER". I am curious myself.
 
2012-07-06 09:30:15 AM
Login: john_frost
Account created: 2012-07-05 08:40:55
Submitted links approved: None

Man, someone didn't get enough BBQ and beer on Independence Day.
 
2012-07-06 09:30:38 AM

john_frost: Or do we become Greece?


Umm...someone else was obsessed with being like Greece.

Will we turn into Greece.....forever?
 
2012-07-06 09:31:27 AM

john_frost: Philip Francis Queeg: badhatharry: Liberals can't see the harm in their values. Doing "good" is all they can see. They never see the down side of letting the government take care of peoples' needs.

Oh do tell what the downside of not letting people starve or suffer for lack of access to healthcare is.

First Fact. Everyone in the USA has access to healthcare, so you Failed.

keep it up.


Or, 45,000 Americans die each year because they don't have insurance and can't afford health care. That's more than those who die from homicide or drunk driving. If republicans think that we should be tough on crime in order to save people's lives, why don't they think we should do something about health care costs to save even more?
 
2012-07-06 09:31:27 AM

NateGrey: john_frost: Or do we become Greece?

Umm...someone else was obsessed with being like Greece.

Will we turn into Greece.....forever?


Only if we stop offering.... 3 million.... knee replacements for grandmothers.... best part.... forever....
 
2012-07-06 09:31:28 AM

NateGrey: Some what coherent, more so than "FOREVER". I am curious myself.


His style reminds me of a certain internet dentist, who's been burning through alts here since his main ID got banned.
 
2012-07-06 09:31:29 AM

john_frost: Cinaed: john_frost: The 16K...

Where's that value from? Your ass is not a reliable source, unless we're talking about stank.
What's the income of the family in question? Even using your assumed value, if it's a family pulling in 100k, they'll be fine.
Do they not already have health care? Most people 'do' already have health insurance, this is for those who do NOT. The poor/destitute are the ones who need it most and.... that leads nicely into...
Do you realize there's money to assist the 'po' folk out there to better be able to afford that coverage? There's assistance for people who cannot afford this. And if you don't WANT to get that coverage, you pay the penalty for being a schmuck. Easy peasy.

Washington Post did the study? Do you realize most folks earn below $80K? And so can't afford Obamacare?

Do you really want them on the dole? I think yes.


You know how I know that you haven't the faintest idea what "Obamacare" actually does?

Come back when you can score 10/10: Health Care Reform Quiz. Until then, shut the fark up while the adults are talking.
 
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