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(Think Progress)   The SCOTUS's decision not to deny millions of people of health care is just like that time an earlier SCOTUS denied citizenship for thousands of people because they were black, at least according to false equivalency scholar RAND PAUL   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 195
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2012-07-06 08:05:19 AM  
Derp
 
2012-07-06 08:09:14 AM  
Did he tie everything back to low flow toilets again?
 
2012-07-06 08:09:15 AM  
RON PAUL
 
2012-07-06 08:09:39 AM  
He's still confused that his Pocket Constitution somehow doesn't include a 700-page John Galt speech
 
2012-07-06 08:11:29 AM  
Tags: More: Dumbass

Uhh, no thanks, I've had more than enough dumbass lately.
 
2012-07-06 08:11:38 AM  
This inability to frame the issue really shows how much of an art information really is. Rand really doesn't know how to do it. He may understand the bare minimums for it, but he doesn't get how careful and delicate you have to be with this sort of thing. Coding shows he is capable of some of the finer points of it, but to go for the comparison is a risky move. It's usually best to let your bigoted base do the 'figuring' for themselves.

Nice try, though. Well, it's a lot better than what most Republicans are doing nowadays, which is acting like a Klan member for a minute before backpedaling.
 
2012-07-06 08:14:10 AM  
...I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm...


Or, you know, fark 'em.
 
2012-07-06 08:16:32 AM  
Well, were they black, or not?
 
2012-07-06 08:18:36 AM  
Once again, this is not now nor has it ever been about denying or allowing people access to health care. Obama and his fellow Democrats are that benevolent and did not design this plan for any noble purpose. If they had it wouldn't be such a cluster fark, it would have bipartisan support, and the Democrats wouldn't have to lie hand over fist about its cost or what it actually is.

I realize that 'deny health care' bit is an excellent talking point a lot like the cherry picked aspects of ObamaCare you keep insisting we talk about instead of the whole bill, but you're not actually fooling anyone with either of those tactics.

How about you, as Obama said, accept that elections have consequences? But you can't do that, otherwise you're going to have to break the liberal cardinal rule of never admitting people understood and rejected your ideas. The 2010 election should have been enough of a wake up call for liberals, including Obama, to take that middle finger they've had stuck in the faces of the majority of America and step back for a minute.

But no, this power grab by liberal politicians must go forward apparently.

When 50.1% of the people turned against the Iraq war, it was time to shut it down and pull out completely but no matter how many people are against ObamaCare, it's never time to listen to the will of the people.
 
2012-07-06 08:19:19 AM  
This opportunistic douchebag doesn't even support the concepts of Brown v Board of Education, yet he's using the case to bolster his discontent with the recent ruling?

fark you in both eyes, Mr. Paul.
 
2012-07-06 08:19:56 AM  
Yes, it's just like that. *rolls eyes*

These farking people are pathetic. Whiny, petulant children who didn't get their way and now they're throwing a temper tantrum.
 
2012-07-06 08:22:56 AM  
"The SCOTUS's decision not to deny millions of people of health care.."

Yep. That frames the subject accurately. Good job staying above the fray.
 
2012-07-06 08:24:17 AM  

randomjsa: derp


tl;dr

I am sure you wrote the daily Republican talking points very well.

Good for you.
 
2012-07-06 08:25:28 AM  

randomjsa: If they had it wouldn't be such a cluster fark, it would have bipartisan support, and the Democrats wouldn't have to lie hand over fist about its cost or what it actually is.


If Obama wanted a resolution passed saying that puppies are cute he still wouldn't get bipartisan support.
 
2012-07-06 08:25:29 AM  

randomjsa: Once again, this is not now nor has it ever been about denying or allowing people access to health care. Obama and his fellow Democrats are that benevolent and did not design this plan for any noble purpose. If they had it wouldn't be such a cluster fark, it would have bipartisan support, and the Democrats wouldn't have to lie hand over fist about its cost or what it actually is.

I realize that 'deny health care' bit is an excellent talking point a lot like the cherry picked aspects of ObamaCare you keep insisting we talk about instead of the whole bill, but you're not actually fooling anyone with either of those tactics.

How about you, as Obama said, accept that elections have consequences? But you can't do that, otherwise you're going to have to break the liberal cardinal rule of never admitting people understood and rejected your ideas. The 2010 election should have been enough of a wake up call for liberals, including Obama, to take that middle finger they've had stuck in the faces of the majority of America and step back for a minute.

But no, this power grab by liberal politicians must go forward apparently.

When 50.1% of the people turned against the Iraq war, it was time to shut it down and pull out completely but no matter how many people are against ObamaCare, it's never time to listen to the will of the people.


Wow, these talkingpoints are so non-sensical now I don't even thing the tea-tards understand them.
 
2012-07-06 08:26:09 AM  

randomjsa: it would have bipartisan support, and the Democrats wouldn't have to lie hand over fist about its cost or what it actually is.


You mean like how the bill was altered and Republican ideas like the individual mandate added to address the concerns of the GOP?

Yeah, they did that... Guess what the Republicans did when it came to a vote? They voted in lock step against a plan that was basically theirs because they didn't want to "give the president a single victory".

In short, you're a willfully ignorant, partisan shiat heel, who wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you upside your misshapen head.
 
2012-07-06 08:29:25 AM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-06 08:30:14 AM  

ManRay: "The SCOTUS's decision not to deny millions of people of health care.."

Yep. That frames the subject accurately. Good job staying above the fray.


You sound sarcastic. Why?
 
2012-07-06 08:30:35 AM  

randomjsa: Once again, this is not now nor has it ever been about denying or allowing people access to health care. Obama and his fellow Democrats are that benevolent and did not design this plan for any noble purpose. If they had it wouldn't be such a cluster fark, it would have bipartisan support, and the Democrats wouldn't have to lie hand over fist about its cost or what it actually is.

I realize that 'deny health care' bit is an excellent talking point a lot like the cherry picked aspects of ObamaCare you keep insisting we talk about instead of the whole bill, but you're not actually fooling anyone with either of those tactics.

How about you, as Obama said, accept that elections have consequences? But you can't do that, otherwise you're going to have to break the liberal cardinal rule of never admitting people understood and rejected your ideas. The 2010 election should have been enough of a wake up call for liberals, including Obama, to take that middle finger they've had stuck in the faces of the majority of America and step back for a minute.

But no, this power grab by liberal politicians must go forward apparently.

When 50.1% of the people turned against the Iraq war, it was time to shut it down and pull out completely but no matter how many people are against ObamaCare, it's never time to listen to the will of the people.


You seem to be pretty upset that people keep pointing out that you and your ilk want to deny people healthcare. How is that a "talking point?" This bill expands health care coverage for Americans who previously were unable to obtain it.

You must just really be embarassed that people are figuring out you lot are really just selfish, horrible people.
 
2012-07-06 08:31:23 AM  

randomjsa: Once again, this is not now nor has it ever been about denying or allowing people access to health care


Yes it is/was. Your party leader, Senator Turtle said so the other day. 30 million uninsured was never an issue for the GOP, and a common teabag talking point is that if the poors can go to the doctor, everyone's service will suffer.
 
2012-07-06 08:31:24 AM  

randomjsa: Once again, this is not now nor has it ever been about denying or allowing people access to health care.


Actually, it's completely 100% about that. But thanks for playing.
 
2012-07-06 08:31:28 AM  

randomjsa: Once again, this is not now nor has it ever been about denying or allowing people access to health care. Obama and his fellow Democrats are that benevolent and did not design this plan for any noble purpose. If they had it wouldn't be such a cluster fark, it would have bipartisan support, and the Democrats wouldn't have to lie hand over fist about its cost or what it actually is.

I realize that 'deny health care' bit is an excellent talking point a lot like the cherry picked aspects of ObamaCare you keep insisting we talk about instead of the whole bill, but you're not actually fooling anyone with either of those tactics.

How about you, as Obama said, accept that elections have consequences? But you can't do that, otherwise you're going to have to break the liberal cardinal rule of never admitting people understood and rejected your ideas. The 2010 election should have been enough of a wake up call for liberals, including Obama, to take that middle finger they've had stuck in the faces of the majority of America and step back for a minute.

But no, this power grab by liberal politicians must go forward apparently.

When 50.1% of the people turned against the Iraq war, it was time to shut it down and pull out completely but no matter how many people are against ObamaCare, it's never time to listen to the will of the people.


You truely do live in an alternate universe don't you.
 
2012-07-06 08:32:49 AM  
Shiat like this makes me want to sit down to talk with Senator Paul. I'd like to tell him that I'm an attorney working in the disability field. I work with doctors on a daily basis and make arguments based upon medical opinions and objective medical evidence. I have an advanced, professional degree and I am seeped in medical information... but when a top medical expert lays out a complex, well-thought out decision that is supported through medical standards I shut the fark up and move to the next topic, even if I don't like the result, because I'm just a amateur compared to that expert. I don't fark around with his treatment of patients - I (and I'm sure most of the bar) would appreciate him not farking around with our work.
 
2012-07-06 08:32:49 AM  
The way you guys attack Rand Paul for any little mis-spoken word is exactly like the Holocaust.
 
2012-07-06 08:33:08 AM  

randomjsa:
Derp.


You truely do live in an alternate universe don't you.
 
2012-07-06 08:34:14 AM  

Boatmech: You truely do live in an alternate universe don't you.


This sort of criticism is exactly like what Pol Pot did in Cambodia.
 
2012-07-06 08:36:06 AM  
"Think of how our country would look now had the Supreme Court not changed its view of what is constitutional. Think of 1857, when the court handed down the outrageous Dred Scott decision, which said African Americans were not citizens".

The Supreme Court didn't change it's mind about Dred Scott you farking dumbass. The Constitution was amended after a long and bloody farking civil war. Christ.
 
2012-07-06 08:38:51 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: "Think of how our country would look now had the Supreme Court not changed its view of what is constitutional. Think of 1857, when the court handed down the outrageous Dred Scott decision, which said African Americans were not citizens".

The Supreme Court didn't change it's mind about Dred Scott you farking dumbass. The Constitution was amended after a long and bloody farking civil war. Christ.


Which also led to the 14th Amendment, establishing a clear constitutional basis for the federal government having supremacy over the states in areas outside of Article I.
 
2012-07-06 08:38:54 AM  

Boatmech: randomjsa:
Derp.

You truely do live in an alternate universe don't you.


Republicans live in their own little bubble where John Roberts is the libbest lib to ever lib.

The June unemployment was actually 8.5%, but John Roberts lowered it 8.2%
 
2012-07-06 08:39:10 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: [i2.kym-cdn.com image 296x170]


Nah, we're still at 3. We won't reach 2 until the GOP Convention, and 1 will be reached on the morning of November 7 when Fox News publishes the election map that shows Romney won more counties that Obama.
 
2012-07-06 08:39:14 AM  

Skleenar: Boatmech: You truely do live in an alternate universe don't you.

This sort of criticism is exactly like what Pol Pot did in Cambodia.


Oh, I thought it was Amos from Amos and Andy.
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2012-07-06 08:39:20 AM  
You know, while I largely disagree with RON PAUL, you can tell he's at least pretty thoughtful and can articulate his points well.

Rand Paul......yeahhhh not so much. This man is not too bright.
 
2012-07-06 08:39:28 AM  
That Op-ed looks more like a blog post from your crazy Aunt, than a thoughtful opinion of a sitting US Senator. I really miss smart conservatives.
 
2012-07-06 08:40:30 AM  

Solon Isonomia: Philip Francis Queeg: "Think of how our country would look now had the Supreme Court not changed its view of what is constitutional. Think of 1857, when the court handed down the outrageous Dred Scott decision, which said African Americans were not citizens".

The Supreme Court didn't change it's mind about Dred Scott you farking dumbass. The Constitution was amended after a long and bloody farking civil war. Christ.

Which also led to the 14th Amendment, establishing a clear constitutional basis for the federal government having supremacy over the states in areas outside of Article I.


And also that whole "equal protection of the laws" thing that Paul and the Republicans find so very offensive.
 
2012-07-06 08:41:30 AM  
Corporations are people, my friend, and this decision has just made it impossible for these people to determine the quality of customers they want to deal with. It's a freedom of association issue, really, and unfairly groups these fine citizens into a special class of people who must now sit at the back of the economic bus for nothing more than the desire to practice their traditions free from unreasonable seizures of their property. Where's the due process for these people? This has been taken out of their hands and that's not what this country's about is it? Disempowerment of a minority? Special regulation of people simply by virtue of their industry? This is not America, my friends, not the America we should be building. We should be building an America where every person is free to congress with whom they please, to engage in commerce as they please and to be free of the impositions of false inclusion as mandated by this overbroad decision.
 
2012-07-06 08:42:20 AM  
I am now convinced that randomjsa is hired by the staff here to make us all feel smarter
 
2012-07-06 08:45:51 AM  
Obamacare is what is going to end up denying people healthcare.
 
2012-07-06 08:48:39 AM  

badhatharry: Obamacare is what is going to end up denying people healthcare.


So Vote Republican?
 
2012-07-06 08:49:30 AM  

Skleenar: Boatmech: You truely do live in an alternate universe don't you.

This sort of criticism is exactly like what Pol Pot did in Cambodia Nicaragua and the Bay of Pigs which is really a sheltered dig by Obama about people who see through the disguise and know he's a secrit muslim, so when 50.1% of the contras were against funding their operation with cocaine sales in the US it was time to pull the plug on the space program but when it comes to the Hague, it's never time to listen to the will of the wisp.


Fixed.
 
2012-07-06 08:51:27 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: DammitIForgotMyLogin: randomjsa: it would have bipartisan support,

Oh fark off, you disingenous pile of steaming horsecrap. Nothing that Obama could do about anything would have bipartisan support, because he's Obama.

Are we supposed to support him because he's black?



The GOP flipped out when Obama, like many other presidents before him, told kids to stay in school. Is your position that they opposed him because they believe kids should drop out of high school? If they support kids staying in school, why did they oppose him?
 
2012-07-06 08:51:50 AM  
Sick people have no rights that doctors, hospitals, and insurance carriers are bound to respect.
 
2012-07-06 08:52:41 AM  

badhatharry: Obamacare is what is going to end up denying people healthcare.


I'd ask you to elaborate, or offer a better plan to fix our hopelessly-broken health care system, but I've already heard the talking points. Lemme guess, you're gonna blather on about 'rationing' or 'death panels'?
 
2012-07-06 08:54:24 AM  

tirob: Sick people have no rights that doctors, hospitals, and insurance carriers are bound to respect.



Doctors, hospitals, and insurance carriers have no rights that dying people are bound to respect. What are you going to do to someone with a terminal illness, throw them in jail and give them health care as punishment?
 
2012-07-06 08:55:52 AM  
Dred Scott is like the Godwin of legal arguments.
 
2012-07-06 08:58:19 AM  
What is it?!!

It's a fine.

*SLAP*

I said I want the truth!!

It's a tax.

*SLAP*

It's a fine.

*SLAP*

It' a fine and a tax.

Give it up randomjsa. It's Obamatown.
 
2012-07-06 08:58:32 AM  

badhatharry: Obamacare is what is going to end up denying people healthcare.


How's that? Show your work.
 
2012-07-06 08:58:37 AM  

ArkPanda: Dred Scott is like the Godwin of legal arguments.


The fundies have been comparing Roe vs. Wade to it for a long time. Sick puppies.
 
2012-07-06 08:59:16 AM  

LordJiro: badhatharry: Obamacare is what is going to end up denying people healthcare.

I'd ask you to elaborate, or offer a better plan to fix our hopelessly-broken health care system, but I've already heard the talking points. Lemme guess, you're gonna blather on about 'rationing' or 'death panels'?


Oh, then you already know about rationing and death panels.
 
2012-07-06 09:00:32 AM  

randomjsa: Once again, this is not now nor has it ever been about denying or allowing people access to health care. Obama and his fellow Democrats are that benevolent and did not design this plan for any noble purpose. If they had it wouldn't be such a cluster fark, it would have bipartisan support, and the Democrats wouldn't have to lie hand over fist about its cost or what it actually is.

I realize that 'deny health care' bit is an excellent talking point a lot like the cherry picked aspects of ObamaCare you keep insisting we talk about instead of the whole bill, but you're not actually fooling anyone with either of those tactics.

How about you, as Obama said, accept that elections have consequences? But you can't do that, otherwise you're going to have to break the liberal cardinal rule of never admitting people understood and rejected your ideas. The 2010 election should have been enough of a wake up call for liberals, including Obama, to take that middle finger they've had stuck in the faces of the majority of America and step back for a minute.

But no, this power grab by liberal politicians must go forward apparently.

When 50.1% of the people turned against the Iraq war, it was time to shut it down and pull out completely but no matter how many people are against ObamaCare, it's never time to listen to the will of the people.


0/10. I didn't read a single thing, but something this long has to be utter crap because historically from you, it has been.
 
2012-07-06 09:01:18 AM  
Randy Paul and his intentional naivety.

He's like a 8 year old child who was left to play with the adults.
 
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