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(Daytona Beach News-Journal)   You eat magic mushrooms, fall asleep for a while, then wake up. To make sure you aren't dreaming, do you: c) shoot yourself in the head?   (news-journalonline.com) divider line 237
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2012-07-06 01:30:06 PM
Red_Fox: Must have been a noob, you never sleep on strong schrooms or cid.

I've slept on shrooms, and I'm certainly no noob. I'm in my 40s and have been taking trips for 20 years. All sorts of trips... liquid, paper, jelly, chocolate, tea, eye hits, etc..

Couldn't sleep on LSD.

Love being around water on any trip. Love to swim tripping. If I can't swim, a shower will do.
 
2012-07-06 01:45:54 PM
Gwyrddu: nunpunter: This kids an idiot. You don't need mushrooms to do stupid things. I'm sure if given enough time he would have had a similar outcome without any drugs.

Unless you know something about him that's not from the article, I don't see how you can make that judgement. It's commonly known and accepted that people can do crazy ass crap for bizarre reasons while on acid or shrooms, which is why you don't leave them alone.

So no, he probably wouldn't have eventually almost killed himself if he wasn't tripping on mushrooms.


I do know something about him, and it's from this article. The thing I know about him, is he's an idiot. If you give an idiot drugs, he will do stupid things. The only difference is he will be high while he does them.

It's commonly known that idiots act stupidly. Have you ever even taken shrooms? If you have, and you can still think of a scenario in which you would "shoot yourself in the head to wake up from a waking dream", well then I have some bad news for you. You are also an idiot.
 
2012-07-06 02:19:06 PM
Gawdzila: My only problem is with people who think that, just because they went on a trip, that they're seeing lots of stuff that is really there and that other people just can't see because, like, their brain isn't on a higher plane of existence, maaaan. That they've somehow gained some sort of scientific knowledge about reality as a whole just because their brain did funny things with their sensory inputs. I don't buy it.

The thing is, that psychedelic experiences can be so far outside of the range of ordinary experience that most people simply don't have the words to properly describe it, so, they have to borrow mystical or religious terminology. How you interpret your trip will depend on your prior beliefs and knowledge, and some people will take those mystical interpretations literally, but others will see them as merely metaphors.

You don't seem to understand how or why these drugs can affect people so profoundly, but you don't know what you don't know. The visual hallucinations, if you get them, are mostly an amusing side show. The real kick comes from messing with the fundamental, ontological assumptions that you use to conceptualise the world. The ones that are so embedded in your thinking that you might not realise you have them, and probably can't imagine what the world would feel like if they were changed. This isn't "scientific knowledge" in the strict sense, it's more like an understanding of the basic conceptual framework in which you formulate all your knowledge. You might be able to get a sort of abstract understanding if you do enough philosophy, but if you can get a sudden, intuitive grasp of it, like you sometimes can through psychedelics; that's a different kind of flying altogether.
 
2012-07-06 02:32:11 PM
animisparati: I'm over 40 and I shroomed Sunday night. Good trip, but the yawns set in a little early and I could not get my head off the ground for an hour.
I prefer the buzz Acid gives (did that Saturday night) . Just a single for me anymore though.

Why? Because I Was Phishing.


I knew it before your explanation.

/phan, only get to see them at bill graham this year
 
2012-07-06 02:34:19 PM
Overfiend: EsteeFlwrPot: caramba421: EsteeFlwrPot: tweek46420: EsteeFlwrPot: actionsaurus: EsteeFlwrPot:
Nah not at all. I've done my share of hard drugs but I've never messed with shrooms. I've heard some freaky shiat goes down when people take it and the type of people i've known to use that stuff regularly are not people i'd really want myself associated with.


So you wouldn't want to hang out with Steve Jobs? He said that taking hallucinogens was one of the most important things he ever did in his life. Or how about Francis Crick? He discovered the structure of DNA while on LSD, which incidentally won him the Nobel Prize in Physiology. How about the Beatles? Surely you could spare a moment of your time to hang out with one of the greatest forces in pop culture history.

Hallucinogens are the drug of choice for people that are smart and interesting.

My ex also had this argument. He is 30 yrs old, broke and just moved out of his father's basement to now live in his mom's. But he sure has some good acid stories!

/I dated him because he convinced me he was going to work hard to get out of his situation
//I guess by that he meant smoke a whole lot of weed and eat all day long

Aha! Now we get to the root...

You are bitter about your ex, ergo, all people like him are "people you'd rather not hang out with".

Don't lump all those who would do psychadelics with your ex...


Sounds like someone could do with a session or two with a therapist, a psychedelic substance and a controlled setting?
 
2012-07-06 02:35:57 PM
I have horrible judgment and a broken boyfriend picker, therefore mushrooms are bad m'kay?
 
xcv
2012-07-06 02:59:25 PM
Langdon_777: Yeap I suspect those first few accidental trippers are where we get the idea of "Gods" - imagine having your 'psychic veil' (the occult term for self awareness) broken but none of the rest of your primate friends have.

Not enough credit to schizophrenia: hearing voices issuing commandments nobody else notices, intrusive, compelling thoughts, grandiose visions and delusions about one's own importance. Plus, mental illness is prevalent enough that every generation is guaranteed a crop.
 
2012-07-06 03:17:37 PM
OOBE Juan Kenobi: Gawdzila:

Look man - I know what you're trying to do. You're not going to understand it no matter how much you talk about it. You can't understand or study scientifically subjective experiences objectively. All I know is that DMT and salvia provide a gateway to somewhere else. Strange as it may sound... If you don't want to believe me, that's your choice.



I don't even bother trying to explain hallucinogenics to the uninitiated.

I just grin, shake my head and tell 'em "You'll never understand unless you've tried it".

I really do believe that most people would benefit from at least one experience in their life. It really does show you ideas/feelings/visions/emotions/senses that you have never experienced before and never will without. It's not for everyone and I don't know if I could ever do it again (years ago I did it hundreds of times, thousands of doses)...but it was awesome while I was doing it.
 
2012-07-06 03:36:37 PM
Bad_Seed: Gawdzila: My only problem is with people who think that, just because they went on a trip, that they're seeing lots of stuff that is really there and that other people just can't see because, like, their brain isn't on a higher plane of existence, maaaan. That they've somehow gained some sort of scientific knowledge about reality as a whole just because their brain did funny things with their sensory inputs. I don't buy it.

The thing is, that psychedelic experiences can be so far outside of the range of ordinary experience that most people simply don't have the words to properly describe it, so, they have to borrow mystical or religious terminology. How you interpret your trip will depend on your prior beliefs and knowledge, and some people will take those mystical interpretations literally, but others will see them as merely metaphors.

You don't seem to understand how or why these drugs can affect people so profoundly, but you don't know what you don't know. The visual hallucinations, if you get them, are mostly an amusing side show. The real kick comes from messing with the fundamental, ontological assumptions that you use to conceptualise the world. The ones that are so embedded in your thinking that you might not realise you have them, and probably can't imagine what the world would feel like if they were changed. This isn't "scientific knowledge" in the strict sense, it's more like an understanding of the basic conceptual framework in which you formulate all your knowledge. You might be able to get a sort of abstract understanding if you do enough philosophy, but if you can get a sudden, intuitive grasp of it, like you sometimes can through psychedelics; that's a different kind of flying altogether.


I had a realization last night while entheogenically altered with MJ and exercise (amazing combo btw).

Trying to explain or relate mystical experiences to people that haven't had similar journeys is a lot like trying to share the best bowl of tapioca you've ever had with people by nailing it to the wall.

Unless you're exceptionally good at the medium (verbal or written ontological musing in the case of the mystical exerience, dadaistic abstract expressionism in the case of nailing tapioca to the wall), chances are you'll just make an amusing mess and most people will think you're going out of your gourd. Some people, like Alex Grey or Kurt Schwitters, can pull it off.

But unless you're a talented, eloquent mother farker, keep it to yourself until you've given it time to coalesce into something interesting rather than rushing out and shouting dubious "truth" to the heavens...
 
2012-07-06 03:57:27 PM
Bad_Seed: You might be able to get a sort of abstract understanding if you do enough philosophy, but if you can get a sudden, intuitive grasp of it, like you sometimes can through psychedelics; that's a different kind of flying altogether.

Spot on - I got the 'abstract understanding' (double majors in Philo) and yes without the experience itself it was hard to grok (I so luv that word). It is a definite path to a more complete/visceral understanding, but it really REALLY helps if you know how to read the road signs ... (psst so do a pit of prior learning before embarking ;)
 
2012-07-06 04:01:54 PM
OOBE Juan Kenobi: You can't understand or study scientifically subjective experiences objectively.

Then you agree that the experience is entirely subjective, and not objective. And I agree with you on this point.
But real places and things are not subjective. They exist and behave consistently no matter who you are or what you're on.


OOBE Juan Kenobi: All I know is that DMT and salvia provide a gateway to somewhere else.

No, you don't know that. What you know is what you saw and felt and experienced.
Insist all you want, you have no basis at all for saying that any of that stuff exists anywhere outside your own head.

Like I said before. First-hand experience is often not a good source for real knowledge, just a good source for bias.
 
2012-07-06 04:02:28 PM
xcv: Langdon_777: Yeap I suspect those first few accidental trippers are where we get the idea of "Gods" - imagine having your 'psychic veil' (the occult term for self awareness) broken but none of the rest of your primate friends have.

Not enough credit to schizophrenia: hearing voices issuing commandments nobody else notices, intrusive, compelling thoughts, grandiose visions and delusions about one's own importance. Plus, mental illness is prevalent enough that every generation is guaranteed a crop.


I was as cynical but drop a wanger on a mountain top over looking the sea as the sun rises ... bah go the whole insane hog and do datura (make sure someone is watching you, though they will not be able to help with the mental trauma), then come back to me on that ... I suspect we tended to kill the nutters pretty early in the far dark past.
 
2012-07-06 04:55:32 PM
caramba421: [images.wikia.com image 410x408]

"Today, a man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy, condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all One Consciousness, experiencing itself subjectively......there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."


Love me some Bill Hicks.

"The door is a jar"
 
2012-07-06 05:04:35 PM
Tripping 101. Never sleep, never puke.
 
2012-07-06 05:08:45 PM
Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Unless you're exceptionally good at the medium (verbal or written ontological musing in the case of the mystical exerience, dadaistic abstract expressionism in the case of nailing tapioca to the wall), chances are you'll just make an amusing mess and most people will think you're going out of your gourd. Some people, like Alex Grey or Kurt Schwitters, can pull it off.

But unless you're a talented, eloquent mother farker, keep it to yourself until you've given it time to coalesce into something interesting rather than rushing out and shouting dubious "truth" to the heavens...


Yup. It's why I bowed out of the conversation early on. It's almost impossible to explain what it's like to someone who's never experienced it, and trying is frustrating for both people. Better to just acknowledge that you're not going to be able to adequately explain it and leave it there.
 
2012-07-06 05:58:16 PM
nread2010: Tripping 101. Never sleep, never puke.

Is that even possible with a hollow torso and a face made out of eyeballs and lunchmeat?
 
2012-07-06 06:09:27 PM
Row, row, row your boat
Gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily
Life is but a dream

/shrooms are 'easy' to grow
 
2012-07-06 06:33:32 PM
tweek46420: have you done any Psychedelics? they are very mind expanding

Unfortunately, this kid used too small a caliber gun to get the full effect.
 
2012-07-06 07:34:06 PM
Um,
 
2012-07-06 08:04:50 PM
Langdon_777: xcv: Langdon_777: Yeap I suspect those first few accidental trippers are where we get the idea of "Gods" - imagine having your 'psychic veil' (the occult term for self awareness) broken but none of the rest of your primate friends have.

Not enough credit to schizophrenia: hearing voices issuing commandments nobody else notices, intrusive, compelling thoughts, grandiose visions and delusions about one's own importance. Plus, mental illness is prevalent enough that every generation is guaranteed a crop.

I was as cynical but drop a wanger on a mountain top over looking the sea as the sun rises ... bah go the whole insane hog and do datura (make sure someone is watching you, though they will not be able to help with the mental trauma), then come back to me on that ... I suspect we tended to kill the nutters pretty early in the far dark past.


BAD IDEA.

Don't suggest people try datura! Even as a joke. Best case scenario you end up in a hospital, worst case you're permanently violently insane or dead. Most people end up in a prison jail in critical condition with temporary blindness, amnesia, and a fresh warped criminal record.

"Having a sitter" doesn't do a goddamn thing when you've got scopamaline and hyoscamine scrambling your brain and randomly unpluggin and replugging your neural pathways while you're filled with voracious thirst and crippled by tachycardia, hyperthermia, convulsions, blindness, and horrifying violent rage. Best part? Forever. And you probably won't even remember taking all your clothes off and attacking your little sister because you thought the devil was in her.

If you don't believe me, read some of the trip reports on erowid. Its one of the few things worse than bath salts, because as terrible as that crap is, one of its primary side effects isn't 'death'.

So yeah, don't even joke about that shiat, there are low information voters around here that might just try it out because they think they're hardcore...
 
2012-07-06 08:09:40 PM
Genevieve Marie: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Unless you're exceptionally good at the medium (verbal or written ontological musing in the case of the mystical exerience, dadaistic abstract expressionism in the case of nailing tapioca to the wall), chances are you'll just make an amusing mess and most people will think you're going out of your gourd. Some people, like Alex Grey or Kurt Schwitters, can pull it off.

But unless you're a talented, eloquent mother farker, keep it to yourself until you've given it time to coalesce into something interesting rather than rushing out and shouting dubious "truth" to the heavens...

Yup. It's why I bowed out of the conversation early on. It's almost impossible to explain what it's like to someone who's never experienced it, and trying is frustrating for both people. Better to just acknowledge that you're not going to be able to adequately explain it and leave it there.


Even the best can fall prey to Messianic Ideation and Delusions of Grandeur. And these were smart guys. Imagine when nincompoops do too many drugs and then try to tell you whats up...
 
2012-07-06 08:17:31 PM
Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Genevieve Marie: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Unless you're exceptionally good at the medium (verbal or written ontological musing in the case of the mystical exerience, dadaistic abstract expressionism in the case of nailing tapioca to the wall), chances are you'll just make an amusing mess and most people will think you're going out of your gourd. Some people, like Alex Grey or Kurt Schwitters, can pull it off.

But unless you're a talented, eloquent mother farker, keep it to yourself until you've given it time to coalesce into something interesting rather than rushing out and shouting dubious "truth" to the heavens...

Yup. It's why I bowed out of the conversation early on. It's almost impossible to explain what it's like to someone who's never experienced it, and trying is frustrating for both people. Better to just acknowledge that you're not going to be able to adequately explain it and leave it there.

Even the best can fall prey to Messianic Ideation and Delusions of Grandeur. And these were smart guys. Imagine when nincompoops do too many drugs and then try to tell you whats up...


Apostrophe error, drug-troll.

Psychedelics au natural (sort of) are better than any anti-depressive, proto-supplicanty synthetic primaries you employ now, no? Truth hurts, and that is precisely why so many lie.

Toughen up, please.

Thank you.
 
2012-07-06 08:35:29 PM
Indubitably: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Genevieve Marie: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Unless you're exceptionally good at the medium (verbal or written ontological musing in the case of the mystical exerience, dadaistic abstract expressionism in the case of nailing tapioca to the wall), chances are you'll just make an amusing mess and most people will think you're going out of your gourd. Some people, like Alex Grey or Kurt Schwitters, can pull it off.

But unless you're a talented, eloquent mother farker, keep it to yourself until you've given it time to coalesce into something interesting rather than rushing out and shouting dubious "truth" to the heavens...

Yup. It's why I bowed out of the conversation early on. It's almost impossible to explain what it's like to someone who's never experienced it, and trying is frustrating for both people. Better to just acknowledge that you're not going to be able to adequately explain it and leave it there.

Even the best can fall prey to Messianic Ideation and Delusions of Grandeur. And these were smart guys. Imagine when nincompoops do too many drugs and then try to tell you whats up...

Apostrophe error, drug-troll.

Psychedelics au natural (sort of) are better than any anti-depressive, proto-supplicanty synthetic primaries you employ now, no? Truth hurts, and that is precisely why so many lie.

Toughen up, please.

Thank you.


static5.businessinsider.com

Huh?

I love psychedelics! And apostrophe's! I just think its worth mulling over the experience and letting the 'information' percolate through your noggin' before you start doing more drugs or telling people about your revelations. That way, by the time you open your big fat yap, you've got something interesting to say that might reflect some sort of deep truth, and not just a bunch of subconscious gibberish that you unleashed when you flooded your brain with specific neurotransmitters...
 
2012-07-06 08:43:40 PM
nunpunter: I do know something about him, and it's from this article. The thing I know about him, is he's an idiot. If you give an idiot drugs, he will do stupid things. The only difference is he will be high while he does them.

It's commonly known that idiots act stupidly. Have you ever even taken shrooms? If you have, and you can still think of a scenario in which you would "shoot yourself in the head to wake up from a waking dream", well then I have some bad news for you. You are also an idiot.


I have taken shrooms as well as LSD. While I can't think of what would lead up to me shooting myself on shrooms, I've also never had a bad trip, thus I can't say I've come anywhere close to the range of possible responses on hallucinogenics, especially on the relatively smaller doses I've taken.

I have done dumb things quite often when I am dreaming that seemed perfectly sensible at the time, and have seen a few smart people come up with some bizarre realities while on acid, from being chased by buildings to stared down by a giant purple squirrel.

Look, if you are on shrooms or acid, you are legally schizophrenic insane during that time period, which means by it's nature your behavior is unpredictable. If you can imagine an insane person could do what this guy did, than someone on shrooms could do the same thing. That's why I stress you don't leave someone alone while hallucinating.

Regardless, this has nothing to do with intelligence or how you behave while sober. If you think that just because you haven't had the urge to shoot yourself on shrooms that your experience with drugs is the same for everyone, then you are the idiot.
 
2012-07-06 08:59:34 PM
Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Indubitably: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Genevieve Marie: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Unless you're exceptionally good at the medium (verbal or written ontological musing in the case of the mystical exerience, dadaistic abstract expressionism in the case of nailing tapioca to the wall), chances are you'll just make an amusing mess and most people will think you're going out of your gourd. Some people, like Alex Grey or Kurt Schwitters, can pull it off.

But unless you're a talented, eloquent mother farker, keep it to yourself until you've given it time to coalesce into something interesting rather than rushing out and shouting dubious "truth" to the heavens...

Yup. It's why I bowed out of the conversation early on. It's almost impossible to explain what it's like to someone who's never experienced it, and trying is frustrating for both people. Better to just acknowledge that you're not going to be able to adequately explain it and leave it there.

Even the best can fall prey to Messianic Ideation and Delusions of Grandeur. And these were smart guys. Imagine when nincompoops do too many drugs and then try to tell you whats up...

Apostrophe error, drug-troll.

Psychedelics au natural (sort of) are better than any anti-depressive, proto-supplicanty synthetic primaries you employ now, no? Truth hurts, and that is precisely why so many lie.

Toughen up, please.

Thank you.

[static5.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

Huh?

I love psychedelics! And apostrophe's! I just think its worth mulling over the experience and letting the 'information' percolate through your noggin' before you start doing more drugs or telling people about your revelations. That way, by the time you open your big fat yap, you've got something interesting to say that might reflect some sort of deep truth, and not just a bunch of subconscious gibberish that you unleashed when you flooded your brain with specific neurotransmitters...


And yet you use a photo to punctuate?

Hmmm.

;)
 
2012-07-06 09:01:55 PM
Indubitably: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Indubitably: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Genevieve Marie: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Unless you're exceptionally good at the medium (verbal or written ontological musing in the case of the mystical exerience, dadaistic abstract expressionism in the case of nailing tapioca to the wall), chances are you'll just make an amusing mess and most people will think you're going out of your gourd. Some people, like Alex Grey or Kurt Schwitters, can pull it off.

But unless you're a talented, eloquent mother farker, keep it to yourself until you've given it time to coalesce into something interesting rather than rushing out and shouting dubious "truth" to the heavens...

Yup. It's why I bowed out of the conversation early on. It's almost impossible to explain what it's like to someone who's never experienced it, and trying is frustrating for both people. Better to just acknowledge that you're not going to be able to adequately explain it and leave it there.

Even the best can fall prey to Messianic Ideation and Delusions of Grandeur. And these were smart guys. Imagine when nincompoops do too many drugs and then try to tell you whats up...

Apostrophe error, drug-troll.

Psychedelics au natural (sort of) are better than any anti-depressive, proto-supplicanty synthetic primaries you employ now, no? Truth hurts, and that is precisely why so many lie.

Toughen up, please.

Thank you.

[static5.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

Huh?

I love psychedelics! And apostrophe's! I just think its worth mulling over the experience and letting the 'information' percolate through your noggin' before you start doing more drugs or telling people about your revelations. That way, by the time you open your big fat yap, you've got something interesting to say that might reflect some sort of deep truth, and not just a bunch of subconscious gibberish that you unleashed when you flooded your brain with specific neurotransmitters...

And yet you use a photo to punctuate? ...


P.S. Apostrophe error, douchebag. ;)
 
2012-07-06 09:20:37 PM
Indubitably: Indubitably: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Indubitably: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Genevieve Marie: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Unless you're exceptionally good at the medium (verbal or written ontological musing in the case of the mystical exerience, dadaistic abstract expressionism in the case of nailing tapioca to the wall), chances are you'll just make an amusing mess and most people will think you're going out of your gourd. Some people, like Alex Grey or Kurt Schwitters, can pull it off.

But unless you're a talented, eloquent mother farker, keep it to yourself until you've given it time to coalesce into something interesting rather than rushing out and shouting dubious "truth" to the heavens...

Yup. It's why I bowed out of the conversation early on. It's almost impossible to explain what it's like to someone who's never experienced it, and trying is frustrating for both people. Better to just acknowledge that you're not going to be able to adequately explain it and leave it there.

Even the best can fall prey to Messianic Ideation and Delusions of Grandeur. And these were smart guys. Imagine when nincompoops do too many drugs and then try to tell you whats up...

Apostrophe error, drug-troll.

Psychedelics au natural (sort of) are better than any anti-depressive, proto-supplicanty synthetic primaries you employ now, no? Truth hurts, and that is precisely why so many lie.

Toughen up, please.

Thank you.

[static5.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

Huh?

I love psychedelics! And apostrophe's! I just think its worth mulling over the experience and letting the 'information' percolate through your noggin' before you start doing more drugs or telling people about your revelations. That way, by the time you open your big fat yap, you've got something interesting to say that might reflect some sort of deep truth, and not just a bunch of subconscious gibberish that you unleashed when you flooded your brain with specific neurotransmitters...

And yet you use a photo to punctuate? ...

P.S. Apostrophe error, douchebag. ;)


Kindly eat a bag of dick's. :-P
 
2012-07-06 09:22:53 PM
Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Indubitably: Indubitably: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Indubitably: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Genevieve Marie: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Unless you're exceptionally good at the medium (verbal or written ontological musing in the case of the mystical exerience, dadaistic abstract expressionism in the case of nailing tapioca to the wall), chances are you'll just make an amusing mess and most people will think you're going out of your gourd. Some people, like Alex Grey or Kurt Schwitters, can pull it off.

But unless you're a talented, eloquent mother farker, keep it to yourself until you've given it time to coalesce into something interesting rather than rushing out and shouting dubious "truth" to the heavens...

Yup. It's why I bowed out of the conversation early on. It's almost impossible to explain what it's like to someone who's never experienced it, and trying is frustrating for both people. Better to just acknowledge that you're not going to be able to adequately explain it and leave it there.

Even the best can fall prey to Messianic Ideation and Delusions of Grandeur. And these were smart guys. Imagine when nincompoops do too many drugs and then try to tell you whats up...

Apostrophe error, drug-troll.

Psychedelics au natural (sort of) are better than any anti-depressive, proto-supplicanty synthetic primaries you employ now, no? Truth hurts, and that is precisely why so many lie.

Toughen up, please.

Thank you.

[static5.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

Huh?

I love psychedelics! And apostrophe's! I just think its worth mulling over the experience and letting the 'information' percolate through your noggin' before you start doing more drugs or telling people about your revelations. That way, by the time you open your big fat yap, you've got something interesting to say that might reflect some sort of deep truth, and not just a bunch of subconscious gibberish that you unleashed when you flooded your brain with specific neurotransmitters...

And yet you ...


Apologies, but I don't eat dicks, though I've thought seriously about eating my own dick.

Goddamn back.

;)
 
2012-07-06 09:24:16 PM
Gawdzila: OOBE Juan Kenobi: You can't understand or study scientifically subjective experiences objectively.

Then you agree that the experience is entirely subjective, and not objective. And I agree with you on this point.
But real places and things are not subjective. They exist and behave consistently no matter who you are or what you're on.


OOBE Juan Kenobi: All I know is that DMT and salvia provide a gateway to somewhere else.

No, you don't know that. What you know is what you saw and felt and experienced.
Insist all you want, you have no basis at all for saying that any of that stuff exists anywhere outside your own head.

Like I said before. First-hand experience is often not a good source for real knowledge, just a good source for bias.


You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry. But you're certainly entitled to believe what you'd like. If you think that human beings will somehow be able to measure, objectively, different states of consciousness (looking at brain waves doesn't exactly cut it) in the future in the realm of science, you'd be missing the train entirely. If you choose not to learn what these types of substances can teach human beings, don't assume that others that have have learned nothing. The highest form of ignorance is talking about things in which you have little personal experience with or know nothing about completely. Have a nice day, though.
 
2012-07-06 09:30:39 PM
Genevieve Marie:

Yup. It's why I bowed out of the conversation early on. It's almost impossible to explain what it's like to someone who's never experienced it, and trying is frustrating for both people. Better to just acknowledge that you're not going to be able to adequately explain it and leave it there.


I don't understand why people are attracted to things that they don't agree with, and then waste time attacking those opinions. Mind-boggling. lol. I've never spoken German before, but I'm pretty sure you're speaking it wrong... ;P
 
2012-07-06 10:10:19 PM
OOBE Juan Kenobi: Genevieve Marie:

Yup. It's why I bowed out of the conversation early on. It's almost impossible to explain what it's like to someone who's never experienced it, and trying is frustrating for both people. Better to just acknowledge that you're not going to be able to adequately explain it and leave it there.

I don't understand why people are attracted to things that they don't agree with, and then waste time attacking those opinions. Mind-boggling. lol. I've never spoken German before, but I'm pretty sure you're speaking it wrong... ;P


Reminds me of a cab driver in Lima who asked me what I was doing in the jungle. When I told him ayahuasca, he reprimanded me and cautioned that "it's all lies".

I asked him if he'd ever tried it, or knew anyone who made it, or even tried it.
"no" he said. "but my preacher told me it's all lies"...

Has HE tried it, our know anyone who has, or who makes it?

"no"

Then who exactly is lying here? Because where I come from, acting like you know about something you have no idea about is actually lying...
 
2012-07-06 11:22:14 PM
Ayn Rand's Social Worker: OOBE Juan Kenobi: Genevieve Marie:

Yup. It's why I bowed out of the conversation early on. It's almost impossible to explain what it's like to someone who's never experienced it, and trying is frustrating for both people. Better to just acknowledge that you're not going to be able to adequately explain it and leave it there.

I don't understand why people are attracted to things that they don't agree with, and then waste time attacking those opinions. Mind-boggling. lol. I've never spoken German before, but I'm pretty sure you're speaking it wrong... ;P

Reminds me of a cab driver in Lima who asked me what I was doing in the jungle. When I told him ayahuasca, he reprimanded me and cautioned that "it's all lies".

I asked him if he'd ever tried it, or knew anyone who made it, or even tried it.
"no" he said. "but my preacher told me it's all lies"...

Has HE tried it, our know anyone who has, or who makes it?

"no"

Then who exactly is lying here? Because where I come from, acting like you know about something you have no idea about is actually lying...


Welcome to Fark?
 
2012-07-07 01:26:49 AM
Holy shiat, I thought everybody knew flower pot was a troll. Whatever...nice troll estee!
 
2012-07-07 02:29:09 AM
Ayn Rand's Social Worker: If you don't believe me, read some of the trip reports on erowid. Its one of the few things worse than bath salts, because as terrible as that crap is, one of its primary side effects isn't 'death'.

Oh man, those accounts are painful. And they ALWAYS start with some dumbass trying it because someone told them it was like weed.

Ugh. Just terrible, terrible, terrible stories.

If anyone's still reading this thread, here's one piece of very good, free advice: if you're going to experiment with psychedelics, do your research. Find out what it is, how it's made or preferably, how it's grown, read trip stories and get an idea of what you're getting into. Be safe.
 
2012-07-07 05:11:07 AM
Ayn Rand's Social Worker:

BAD IDEA.

Don't suggest people try datura! Even as a joke. Best case scenario you end up in a hospital, worst case you're permanently violently insane or dead. Most people end up in a prison jail in critical condition with temporary blindness, amnesia, and a fresh warped criminal record.


You are 100% correct - and I am sorry to have even suggested it jokingly - there are waaay safer and more enjoyable ethnogens out there,
 
2012-07-07 09:34:35 AM
Genevieve Marie: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: If you don't believe me, read some of the trip reports on erowid. Its one of the few things worse than bath salts, because as terrible as that crap is, one of its primary side effects isn't 'death'.

Oh man, those accounts are painful. And they ALWAYS start with some dumbass trying it because someone told them it was like weed.

Ugh. Just terrible, terrible, terrible stories.

If anyone's still reading this thread, here's one piece of very good, free advice: if you're going to experiment with psychedelics, do your research. Find out what it is, how it's made or preferably, how it's grown, read trip stories and get an idea of what you're getting into. Be safe.


I read a great account by a professor who had a massive dose of highly concentrated salvia (forgot the name of the book) He said he spent four years as the side of a house in the suburbs. He was only tripping with his eyes closed for a few minutes. Lots of Kafka-esque accounts out there.

Personally, I'm into dropping maybe 200-600 micrograms and talking a walk around town with a fellow traveler. Some people are into taking to nature. I prefer going public.

/beginners: don't try going public on acid until you have had a few trips under your belt to feel comfortable around Normal People. And don't push yourself into an all-encompassing exposure (Disneyland, Lollapalooza, a checkout line in a grocery store) on the first time. My first time was at a nightclub in Greece, but I was with two others, so I had a circle of safety. Always have at least one person who you can relate to, otherwise you'll spend all day in various states of frustration.
 
2012-07-08 06:22:30 PM
Stay natch; go private firstly, expand slowly, and regress to not at all...

P.S. Don't overdo. You're welcome.

;)
 
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