*are insufferable douchebags.
i'm all nutella'd out

Esn: I think this is a reasonable assumption to make because most of our scientific theories and laws do not care what you think about them, they work anyway (when you get into higher-level physics things begin to change depending on whether and how they've been observed, but it's a good assumption for everyday things).

FYI, it's still a good assumption even for "higher-level physics" (I assume you mean quantum events). They still work no matter what you think of them, and they work consistently in the same way every time no matter what the observer would or would not like to see. It's not so much that the physical phenomena themselves change depending on your perspective, it is that you can get results for various measurements that seem contradictory if you assume they must take the form of one of our usual layman interpretations (i.e. particle vs wave).

Esn: Second of all, let us assume that "objective reality" is something that a person can never, ever experience, because existence is subjective.

Yes... kind of. I hope we can also agree that some people's experience of objective reality more closely corresponds to that reality than some other people's. This assumption must acknowledge that there are degrees here -- that not ALL subjective experiences are equally reflective of the "real" world.


This is just a little nitpicking by me, btw :)
I'm actually perfectly fine with your overall point, and I even said as much explicitly in other posts. My problem is not with people who say that psychedelics made them see things differently, and that such changes in their thoughts helped them somehow. People have been inspired by dreams before, I don't see why a hallucinogenic experience should be any different.

My only problem is with people who think that, just because they went on a trip, that they're seeing lots of stuff that is really there and that other people just can't see because, like, their brain isn't on a higher plane of existence, maaaan. That they've somehow gained some sort of scientific knowledge about reality as a whole just because their brain did funny things with their sensory inputs. I don't buy it.

A Terrible Human: Do shrooms grow in Ky?

dude, do not eat shrooms grown in KY.
gross.

that's like one step away from trying jenkem

The My Little Pony Killer: Those are some seriously shiatty friends.

This.

Took too much, and then got left alone by asshat friends.

Solution: Get better friends and control your dose.

EsteeFlwrPot: Any friends that would do a drug like that aren't good friends in the first place. Sorry to say.

Spoken like a true product of the system.

Shrooms are great if you don't use them like a pack of 'tards.

1) Know your dose.
2) Start small the first time
3) Never leave someone alone

Or, you could just shake in fear, pee your pants and simply ignore all the gifts of naturally occurring entheogens.

Some of us chose to boldly go . . .

b0rg9: Who the fark falls asleep on psylocibin?

Sounds like he fell asleep before it kicked in. Then it probably piggy backed on a nightmare to become a bad trip.

For me, shrooms take forever to really kick in. But then.... oh man, forget sleeping for a LONG time.

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: We're all hard-wired for ecstatic experience though, whether through social religious services or personal mystical revelation. Psychedelics represent one of the longer standing ways to get there, humankind and these plants have been involved in a conversation that predates civilization, agriculture, or possibly even homo sapiens ourselves...

Well said!

Jon iz teh kewl: buy some hawaiian baby wood rose seeds. and take like 10. it's like acid but it's legal.

Isn't is LSA in that makes that happen? I might have to try that but I've read it can make you really,really nauseous. Then again I've taken 10,000mg of guaifenesin and I managed not to puke.

Pathman: dude, do not eat shrooms grown in KY.
gross.

that's like one step away from trying jenkem


Really? What's wrong with them?

A Terrible Human: Jon iz teh kewl: buy some hawaiian baby wood rose seeds. and take like 10. it's like acid but it's legal.

Isn't is LSA in that makes that happen? I might have to try that but I've read it can make you really,really nauseous. Then again I've taken 10,000mg of guaifenesin and I managed not to puke.

i only got sick one time. but the vomitting was projectile and was just one quit "blarrgh". lasted no longer than 1 second and i felt better afterwards

EsteeFlwrPot: actionsaurus: EsteeFlwrPot: Any friends that would do a drug like that aren't good friends in the first place. Sorry to say.

You sound like a sheltered little whiney puss

Nah not at all. I've done my share of hard drugs but I've never messed with shrooms. I've heard some freaky shiat goes down when people take it and the type of people i've known to use that stuff regularly are not people i'd really want myself associated with.

Best part about this quote .... That is exactly what they thought about you.

Jon iz teh kewl: i only got sick one time. but the vomitting was projectile and was just one quit "blarrgh". lasted no longer than 1 second and i felt better afterwards

That's nice to know. I've had the same kind of experiences with DXM,if the store doesn't have generic ccc's or the syrup is too much I get generic mucinex dm. Usually when I puke on dxm I get intensely high afterwards. Once I took a box of ccc's,went and puked and I damn near thought I wouldn't make it to my bed. When I did make it to my bed I had the most mind blowing experience. It was like I went into my head and all I could see was a beautiful multicoloured tree with butterflies. It was amazing.

A Terrible Human: Jon iz teh kewl: buy some hawaiian baby wood rose seeds. and take like 10. it's like acid but it's legal.

Isn't is LSA in that makes that happen? I might have to try that but I've read it can make you really,really nauseous. Then again I've taken 10,000mg of guaifenesin and I managed not to puke.

Pathman: dude, do not eat shrooms grown in KY.
gross.

that's like one step away from trying jenkem


Really? What's wrong with them?

sorry - i was making a stupid ky jelly joke.

as for kentucky - if you want to go out "shrooming" you're basically looking to pick shrooms that grow on cow shiat after a rain...

if that's your thing, have at it.

Pathman: as for kentucky - if you want to go out "shrooming" you're basically looking to pick shrooms that grow on cow shiat after a rain...

if that's your thing, have at it.

Lol everytime I see a bottle of ky jelly I giggle a bit.
Ahahaha I lived in one place where the landlord had cows. Dammit I missed a great opportunity to get some. This place is full of cows and fields. I might go hunting one day,a little cow shiat ain't nothing.

I can't do fun things like shrooms. Apparently my mind really doesn't like relinquishing control to a farking fungi. It starts getting very defensive. In small doses I'm fine, but if I eat a whole chocolate, I spend the remainder of the night trying to force myself NOT to hallucinate, which kind of defeats the purpose. I'll just stick to weed and booze.

A Terrible Human: Jon iz teh kewl: i only got sick one time. but the vomitting was projectile and was just one quit "blarrgh". lasted no longer than 1 second and i felt better afterwards

That's nice to know. I've had the same kind of experiences with DXM,if the store doesn't have generic ccc's or the syrup is too much I get generic mucinex dm. Usually when I puke on dxm I get intensely high afterwards. Once I took a box of ccc's,went and puked and I damn near thought I wouldn't make it to my bed. When I did make it to my bed I had the most mind blowing experience. It was like I went into my head and all I could see was a beautiful multicoloured tree with butterflies. It was amazing.

Yes. Not surrounding himself with trustworthy friends was this guy's mistake.

/backs out of thread slowly and expects to see many of you in a fark headline real soon

Buy the ticket. Take the trip.

/why yes...I am getting a kick out of these responses...

I wish I was tripping balls right now...damn kids and their X - - no one makes good acid anymore


Best Feeling in the world - After a night of drinking\tripping and general debauchery - getting home safe and sound....entering the coolness of the AC controlled home and collapsing on the couch.

Then...bong hits, porn and trippy TV

EsteeFlwrPot: caramba421: EsteeFlwrPot: tweek46420: EsteeFlwrPot: actionsaurus: EsteeFlwrPot:
Nah not at all. I've done my share of hard drugs but I've never messed with shrooms. I've heard some freaky shiat goes down when people take it and the type of people i've known to use that stuff regularly are not people i'd really want myself associated with.


So you wouldn't want to hang out with Steve Jobs? He said that taking hallucinogens was one of the most important things he ever did in his life. Or how about Francis Crick? He discovered the structure of DNA while on LSD, which incidentally won him the Nobel Prize in Physiology. How about the Beatles? Surely you could spare a moment of your time to hang out with one of the greatest forces in pop culture history.

Hallucinogens are the drug of choice for people that are smart and interesting.

My ex also had this argument. He is 30 yrs old, broke and just moved out of his father's basement to now live in his mom's. But he sure has some good acid stories!

/I dated him because he convinced me he was going to work hard to get out of his situation
//I guess by that he meant smoke a whole lot of weed and eat all day long

Ah, so by "type of person" you mean your ex-bf. well that's the final word on psychedelics for sure! Not all the successful and interesting people we all know, just your ex and his dumb stories.

Sure it is always fun to be in a group as long as no one brings THAT guy. But it sounds like the kid in the story was THAT guy and the rest of the folks bailed on him. if you have ever been around a person who annoys the shiat out of you while using psychedelics it is really tough to deal with.

Always good to have a veteran team.

I've never had a bad trip on shrooms when I trip alone. All of my bad trips (if you trip often enough and long enough, you will find that abyss) happened while being around other people. Having a sitter is great in theory. However, in practice, it's a bit rare. It's cool that I have a GF that hates shrooms and will do the sitting, but she gets so worried if a trip goes south.

What this kid did, I completely understand. My creed used to be "go big or go home" and I would never trip on anything less than 5 grams. I still find 5 to be my sweet spot. However, when you get closer to 7 or 8 grams, you have no escape route if the change occurs. You just need to ride it out and try not to freak anyone out.

All that being said, I'm actively looking forward to tomorrow...

actionsaurus: EsteeFlwrPot:

Any friends that would do a drug like that aren't good friends in the first place. Sorry to say.

You sound like a sheltered little whiney puss

Ever seen a cockroach on a hallucinogen? Maybe the bug can tell the difference but the human observer can't. It must be hard to have a bad trip when your brain is that small, huh?

Bluemookie
What this kid did, I completely understand. My creed used to be "go big or go home" and I would never trip on anything less than 5 grams. I still find 5 to be my sweet spot. However, when you get closer to 7 or 8 grams, you have no escape route if the change occurs. You just need to ride it out and try not to freak anyone out.

5 GRAMS huh?

You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are saying.

My guess is that: Our hero is a passive-aggressive PoS in ordinary life.

fusillade762: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: That reminds me of when I kidnapped Dennis McKenna

For that and your subsequent posts I now have you faved. How does Cyan2 feel?

DWitchiewoman: Bluemookie
What this kid did, I completely understand. My creed used to be "go big or go home" and I would never trip on anything less than 5 grams. I still find 5 to be my sweet spot. However, when you get closer to 7 or 8 grams, you have no escape route if the change occurs. You just need to ride it out and try not to freak anyone out.

5 GRAMS huh?

You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are saying.

How so? Your average tripper is going to stay at 3.5 grams. If you want to trip harder, you take it to 5. Other people find 2 grams to be their sweet spot. And yes, I am talking about dried shrooms, not fresh.

A Terrible Human: All this talk about lsd,shrooms and dmt makes me feel really,really jealous of you guys that can get it. All I can manage to get is DXM and MXE,though I must say they're awesome and using them has made me find some inner peace. Do shrooms grow in Ky?

Bluemookie

My apologies. I'm clearly doing too much multi tasking at work and did not read your post correctly (I think I got it mixed in with a post before yours, sorry!). I thought you were saying you do 5grams of LSD, in which case you would be unable to type.

back to work!

Gawdzila:

Look man - I know what you're trying to do. You're not going to understand it no matter how much you talk about it. You can't understand or study scientifically subjective experiences objectively. All I know is that DMT and salvia provide a gateway to somewhere else. Strange as it may sound... If you don't want to believe me, that's your choice.

obviously the purpose of life is to find a mate and get down and dirty. so if you need drugs to accomplish that realization then you're missing out on something. like a brain. don't do drugs. do people!

Pathman: caramba421: EsteeFlwrPot: tweek46420: EsteeFlwrPot: actionsaurus: EsteeFlwrPot:
Nah not at all. I've done my share of hard drugs but I've never messed with shrooms. I've heard some freaky shiat goes down when people take it and the type of people i've known to use that stuff regularly are not people i'd really want myself associated with.


So you wouldn't want to hang out with Steve Jobs? He said that taking hallucinogens was one of the most important things he ever did in his life. Or how about Francis Crick? He discovered the structure of DNA while on LSD, which incidentally won him the Nobel Prize in Physiology. How about the Beatles? Surely you could spare a moment of your time to hang out with one of the greatest forces in pop culture history.

Hallucinogens are the drug of choice for people that are smart and interesting.

i think i might have rolled my eyes even more at this argument than the original comment.

Gandhi liked a little bit of lemon in his water. Most of the people i have sat down with at restaurants who ask for lemon in their water and insufferable douche bags.

A loser is a loser and a winner is a winner.
Drugs, alcohol, television, high-fructose corn syrup... these things are all hang-ups for the already weak.


except for nutella. that stuff should actually be banned.
almost ruined my life

If Ghandi had said that having lemons in his water is what inspired him to commit to non-violent resistance, your analogy would hold.

Langdon_777: SpectroBoy: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: We're all hard-wired for ecstatic experience though, whether through social religious services or personal mystical revelation. Psychedelics represent one of the longer standing ways to get there, humankind and these plants have been involved in a conversation that predates civilization, agriculture, or possibly even homo sapiens ourselves...

Well said!

Yeap I suspect those first few accidental trippers are where we get the idea of "Gods" - imagine having your 'psychic veil' (the occult term for self awareness) broken but none of the rest of your primate friends have. You GROK that you exist and that others exist too, whereas the rest are still living in their non-self aware selves - you understood what was happening when you seemed to have to walk towards a female on heat (or why you attracted so many brutes ;) and began to take advance -> GODS. Overtime we all broke the veil.

Oddly sometimes I wonder just how many of us have removed their 'veil' ...

What really trips me out is that many of the hallucinogens are pheromones and possibly exopheromones for the purpose of interspecies communication. Most likely, we're just hijacking a cactus' message to a predatory bug, or a flower's message for a bumble bee, or a tree root's message to rhyzobium bacteria, but once we started tuning in to those communication lines, we started changing the conversation and coevolving with these species. If you look at pictures of cannabis these days and what growers can get out of the female plant, you'll see how far we've come.

I wonder what the plants think about how far WE'VE come...

mushrooms are crazy, i had a few and started watching TV, I am glad it was not something crazy, but the room started looking weird and I laid back and closed my eyes. I had a few beers and decided that I am never touching the stuff again. i cannot even describe how I felt. if I had a little more I may have scratched my eyes out. So we all sobered up a bit and walked over to the grocery store and bought a 30 pack of beer to calm our nerves.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Sounds more like he doesn't want to admit to attempted suicide.

And if you want to know whether you're tripping or not, check a mirror.
But not for very long.

Oh Jesus. I had been reading this thread going "Hm, maybe I'll give shrooms a try someday." But I already have a mild mirror phobia. I don't need any of that.

I'm over 40 and I shroomed Sunday night. Good trip, but the yawns set in a little early and I could not get my head off the ground for an hour.
I prefer the buzz Acid gives (did that Saturday night) . Just a single for me anymore though.

Why? Because I Was Phishing.

Chinchillazilla: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Sounds more like he doesn't want to admit to attempted suicide.

And if you want to know whether you're tripping or not, check a mirror.
But not for very long.

Oh Jesus. I had been reading this thread going "Hm, maybe I'll give shrooms a try someday." But I already have a mild mirror phobia. I don't need any of that.

The best is when you start wondering what side of it you're on.

/the answer is "this side."

caramba421: If Ghandi had said that having lemons in his water is what inspired him to commit to non-violent resistance, your analogy would hold.

that's an excellent point....but just because i'm not smart enough to come up with a better analogy doesn't mean i'm wrong ;-p

animisparati: I'm over 40 and I shroomed Sunday night. Good trip, but the yawns set in a little early and I could not get my head off the ground for an hour.
I prefer the buzz Acid gives (did that Saturday night) . Just a single for me anymore though.

Why? Because I Was Phishing.

wow. you had a way better weekend than i did.
i went to ikea

Must have been a noob, you never sleep on strong schrooms or cid.

EsteeFlwrPot: caramba421: EsteeFlwrPot: tweek46420: EsteeFlwrPot: actionsaurus: EsteeFlwrPot:
Nah not at all. I've done my share of hard drugs but I've never messed with shrooms. I've heard some freaky shiat goes down when people take it and the type of people i've known to use that stuff regularly are not people i'd really want myself associated with.


So you wouldn't want to hang out with Steve Jobs? He said that taking hallucinogens was one of the most important things he ever did in his life. Or how about Francis Crick? He discovered the structure of DNA while on LSD, which incidentally won him the Nobel Prize in Physiology. How about the Beatles? Surely you could spare a moment of your time to hang out with one of the greatest forces in pop culture history.

Hallucinogens are the drug of choice for people that are smart and interesting.

My ex also had this argument. He is 30 yrs old, broke and just moved out of his father's basement to now live in his mom's. But he sure has some good acid stories!

/I dated him because he convinced me he was going to work hard to get out of his situation
//I guess by that he meant smoke a whole lot of weed and eat all day long

You blame the drugs for this? I do more drugs than anyone I know (24/7 herb, literally) and I pull 6 figs as a senior .NET developer and am on track to be the youngest manager in our dept. Sounds like you shouldn't hang out with losers.

dahmers love zombie: The My Little Pony Killer: Tilbury told investigators he and some friends ate mushrooms and drank a tea made from the substance Tuesday afternoon. His friends left his house shortly after and he fell asleep.

Those are some seriously shiatty friends.

No doubt. Don't leave tripping people alone. Not even once.

I've tripped alone many times, never been a problem. Then again I can tell the difference between a hallucination and reality.

/Some people shouldn't do mind altering drugs.