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(Yahoo)   "The black is a better athlete because he's been bred that way during slavery," said Jimmy The Greek and four-time gold medalist Michael Johnson   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 216
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2012-07-05 08:10:50 PM  
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/wishes he had beer.
 
2012-07-05 08:20:22 PM  
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2012-07-05 08:33:17 PM  
Just how good were the American Olympic teams during slavery?
 
2012-07-05 08:54:13 PM  
I caught a doc about Jamaican high school sprinters a week or two ago, and the runners and their families and their coaches were all over that opinion too. Running in Jamaica is kinda like Football and Basketball combined in the states. Any kid, from any (read poor) background can change their world with their athletic abilities. Most attribute those abilities to breeding...
 
2012-07-05 09:07:50 PM  
Johnson should be barred from competitive racing for life. Or forced to carry a 50lb pack during races, so he runs like a white dude.
 
2012-07-05 09:16:44 PM  
Makes sense.
 
2012-07-05 09:26:41 PM  
So Jimmy the Greek, Michael Johnson, and subby were bred to be morons during the pre-FDA snake-oil charlatan era.
 
2012-07-05 09:38:11 PM  

Ricardo Klement: So Jimmy the Greek, Michael Johnson, and subby were bred to be morons during the pre-FDA snake-oil charlatan era.


Please do not call *my* elixir snake oil, sir. I'll have you know it cures ailments, stalemates, bad dates, headaches, raperapes, snowflakes, so-crates, and whatever the hell else you want to add.
 
2012-07-05 09:48:07 PM  

Ooba Tooba: Ricardo Klement: So Jimmy the Greek, Michael Johnson, and subby were bred to be morons during the pre-FDA snake-oil charlatan era.

Please do not call *my* elixir snake oil, sir. I'll have you know it cures ailments, stalemates, bad dates, headaches, raperapes, snowflakes, so-crates, and whatever the hell else you want to add.


You realize, sir, that even before the FDA, advertising law prohibits the naming of your solution an "elixir" unless it is made with alcohol. Please re-label appropriately.
 
2012-07-05 10:09:11 PM  
Blacks are better athletes because of geography. African farm land is not that good, requiring more hunting for their diet
 
2012-07-05 10:35:04 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-05 11:36:17 PM  
You mean there are biological differences between races? Whodathunk?
 
2012-07-05 11:40:59 PM  

Silly Jesus: You mean there are biological differences between races? Whodathunk?


The retardation is thinking that slavery is responsible.
 
2012-07-05 11:41:41 PM  
way before slavery: a slow kenyan is dinner!
/athlete
 
2012-07-05 11:42:25 PM  
I really wish there was a anthropological/genetics cross-discipline study that would look at this idea from a scientific perspective. I'm sure there is a grain of truth to this idea, but without proper study, all anyone who talks about it is doing is stoking racial tension.
 
2012-07-05 11:44:51 PM  
is it racist if a black man says it?

if they bred for strength, did they also breed for stupidity/docility?

/ lolo jones is farking HAWT
 
2012-07-05 11:45:27 PM  
Now wait just a cotton pickin' minute...
 
2012-07-05 11:45:58 PM  

Ricardo Klement: The retardation is thinking that slavery is responsible.


Slave owners DID selectively breed, it ain't that far fetched.
 
2012-07-05 11:47:46 PM  
I don't think I've heard a reference to Jimmy the Greek in about 25 years.

/feels old
 
2012-07-05 11:47:46 PM  
Or it could be that when people are poor, from depressed areas and don't see education as a way out, they turn to athletics, as it has been a proven way out, and put most of their energies towards excelling at that. If you look at the history of American sports, the guys that have excelled at most of the major sports, any race included, have been people from poor or very modest backgrounds. I'm just waiting for the Native Americans to get off their asses and do something.
 
2012-07-05 11:48:38 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Just how good were the American Olympic teams during slavery?


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2012-07-05 11:50:57 PM  
I heard the guy filling in for Cowherd (I only gave it a listen because it wasn't Herd, and I have not a clue the guy's name) yesterday try to explain this as a white guy, and it was cringe-radio.

He tried to quote John Saunders explaining that if that were common theory and true than there could be the discussion of whites being superior mentally genetic-wise.

It truly opened the flood-gates of moron radio.
 
2012-07-05 11:51:24 PM  
Franz Boas and the push on cultural relativism did not assume that there were cultural causal laws for human behavior.

There are no cultural causal laws for human behavior. The idea was to deconstruct biological ones.
 
2012-07-05 11:52:14 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Silly Jesus: You mean there are biological differences between races? Whodathunk?

The retardation is thinking that slavery is responsible.


What I got from what he said was that the lineage of people that also happened to be slaves were genetically different. I didn't get that he was saying slavery caused it. I may be misreading him though.

Slaveholders did selectively "breed" their slaves though...maybe that's the angle he's going with...
 
mjg
2012-07-05 11:56:20 PM  
I remember when the Jimmy made the now infamous comment. As Patton Oswalt notes in a sketch about the first thing you heard from an adult that you knew was BS, well Jimmy's comment was that for me.

/blacks don't kill you for your cell phones, fyi
 
2012-07-06 12:01:11 AM  

Ooba Tooba: Ricardo Klement: So Jimmy the Greek, Michael Johnson, and subby were bred to be morons during the pre-FDA snake-oil charlatan era.

Please do not call *my* elixir snake oil, sir. I'll have you know it cures ailments, stalemates, bad dates, headaches, raperapes, snowflakes, so-crates, and whatever the hell else you want to add.


*spits tobacco juice on your bright white coat*

How is it on stains?
 
2012-07-06 12:02:12 AM  

TheJoe03: Ricardo Klement: The retardation is thinking that slavery is responsible.

Slave owners DID selectively breed, it ain't that far fetched.


It is completely retarded, and you should feel bad for even saying that.
 
2012-07-06 12:03:12 AM  

Ricardo Klement: Silly Jesus: You mean there are biological differences between races? Whodathunk?

The retardation is thinking that slavery is responsible.


How isn't it? People breed dogs and cats, why isn't it plausible that people bred slaves, too?

Though it should be said that for most of human history, slaves weren't denoted by skin color, but by class, something even more ambiguous.
 
2012-07-06 12:04:21 AM  

Silly Jesus: Ricardo Klement: Silly Jesus: You mean there are biological differences between races? Whodathunk?

The retardation is thinking that slavery is responsible.

What I got from what he said was that the lineage of people that also happened to be slaves were genetically different. I didn't get that he was saying slavery caused it. I may be misreading him though.

Slaveholders did selectively "breed" their slaves though...maybe that's the angle he's going with...


That's certainly what Jimmy the Greek said. The reason it's retarded is because you can't affect any measurable genetic certainty - even over 200 years - even if you had the best scientists from today executing the program.
 
2012-07-06 12:05:45 AM  
isn't there some remnant of Ghengis Khan's genetic pork sword in most of europe and asia? I read that there's a place in China where there's a lot of blond haired/blue eyed, yet otherwise asian-featured population. Slave owners bred for health and strength, this is not in dispute, and MJ's not wrong.
 
2012-07-06 12:07:53 AM  

IlGreven: Ricardo Klement: Silly Jesus: You mean there are biological differences between races? Whodathunk?

The retardation is thinking that slavery is responsible.

How isn't it? People breed dogs and cats, why isn't it plausible that people bred slaves, too?

Though it should be said that for most of human history, slaves weren't denoted by skin color, but by class, something even more ambiguous.


It's a matter of how many generations you can breed. You can breed 10 generations of dogs for every generation of humans you can try to breed. You also get to put out half a dozen dogs at a shot compared to 1 human.
 
2012-07-06 12:08:43 AM  

The Gentleman Caller: isn't there some remnant of Ghengis Khan's genetic pork sword in most of europe and asia? I read that there's a place in China where there's a lot of blond haired/blue eyed, yet otherwise asian-featured population. Slave owners bred for health and strength, this is not in dispute, and MJ's not wrong.


He's a moron because the breeding didn't give you any genetic advantage that science would be able to measure.
 
2012-07-06 12:09:11 AM  

Ricardo Klement: Silly Jesus: Ricardo Klement: Silly Jesus: You mean there are biological differences between races? Whodathunk?

The retardation is thinking that slavery is responsible.

What I got from what he said was that the lineage of people that also happened to be slaves were genetically different. I didn't get that he was saying slavery caused it. I may be misreading him though.

Slaveholders did selectively "breed" their slaves though...maybe that's the angle he's going with...

That's certainly what Jimmy the Greek said. The reason it's retarded is because you can't affect any measurable genetic certainty - even over 200 years - even if you had the best scientists from today executing the program.


Fair enough.

So is it a big deal that he said this because he talked about slavery or is it a big deal because he said that blacks have a different genetic make up as it relates to athletics?
 
2012-07-06 12:15:34 AM  
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Pshaw. Everyone knows the REAL reason blacks are better athletes is because they can handle hot weather better.
 
2012-07-06 12:18:42 AM  

Silly Jesus: Ricardo Klement: Silly Jesus: Ricardo Klement: Silly Jesus: You mean there are biological differences between races? Whodathunk?

The retardation is thinking that slavery is responsible.

What I got from what he said was that the lineage of people that also happened to be slaves were genetically different. I didn't get that he was saying slavery caused it. I may be misreading him though.

Slaveholders did selectively "breed" their slaves though...maybe that's the angle he's going with...

That's certainly what Jimmy the Greek said. The reason it's retarded is because you can't affect any measurable genetic certainty - even over 200 years - even if you had the best scientists from today executing the program.

Fair enough.

So is it a big deal that he said this because he talked about slavery or is it a big deal because he said that blacks have a different genetic make up as it relates to athletics?


Well, Jimmy the Greek got in trouble for crediting the success of black atheletes to slavery, which used to be (and maybe still is) a big plank in the KKK philosophy.
 
2012-07-06 12:18:43 AM  

Ricardo Klement: That's certainly what Jimmy the Greek said. The reason it's retarded is because you can't affect any measurable genetic certainty - even over 200 years - even if you had the best scientists from today executing the program.


The Russians did exactly that with domestication of silver foxes. I have no reason to believe that humans could not be bred for specific traits. Obviously, this ranks right up there with cannibalism and incest, as taboos go, but the science is not particularly difficult.

Domesticated Silver Fox
 
2012-07-06 12:20:40 AM  
 
2012-07-06 12:20:55 AM  
if slavery = athletes what happened to the Jews?
 
2012-07-06 12:21:55 AM  

Ricardo Klement: IlGreven: Ricardo Klement: Silly Jesus: You mean there are biological differences between races? Whodathunk?

The retardation is thinking that slavery is responsible.

How isn't it? People breed dogs and cats, why isn't it plausible that people bred slaves, too?

Though it should be said that for most of human history, slaves weren't denoted by skin color, but by class, something even more ambiguous.

It's a matter of how many generations you can breed. You can breed 10 generations of dogs for every generation of humans you can try to breed. You also get to put out half a dozen dogs at a shot compared to 1 human.


Fwiw, it means that for to get the same genetic variation of 200 years of dog breeding, you'd need 12,000 years of human breeding. And that's with o ly those two factors figured in. Add in how many generations a human can spit out vs how many a dog can spit out, and that number grows by another order of magnitude.
 
2012-07-06 12:30:51 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Ricardo Klement: That's certainly what Jimmy the Greek said. The reason it's retarded is because you can't affect any measurable genetic certainty - even over 200 years - even if you had the best scientists from today executing the program.

The Russians did exactly that with domestication of silver foxes. I have no reason to believe that humans could not be bred for specific traits. Obviously, this ranks right up there with cannibalism and incest, as taboos go, but the science is not particularly difficult.

Domesticated Silver Fox


It's about how fast the breeding works. You can have a silver fox pump out ten litters a year. A human gets you one kid a year. You can raise 1000 foxes in the soace you could keep 100 slaves in. You can have the newborn fox pump out a new litter of its own in a year or two. With a human, you have to wait, what, 14?

You are not going to get genetic variation after 200 years of slavery. Let's be real- that's 10 generations? 15 tops? And growing the selection polulation from breeding by 1 a year per mother. You can get 150 generations, growing your population by an order of magnitude every year for a difference of 300 times as many breeding opportunities for the Silver fox in e same time period.
 
2012-07-06 12:36:41 AM  

Ricardo Klement: Silly Jesus: Ricardo Klement: Silly Jesus: You mean there are biological differences between races? Whodathunk?

The retardation is thinking that slavery is responsible.

What I got from what he said was that the lineage of people that also happened to be slaves were genetically different. I didn't get that he was saying slavery caused it. I may be misreading him though.

Slaveholders did selectively "breed" their slaves though...maybe that's the angle he's going with...

That's certainly what Jimmy the Greek said. The reason it's retarded is because you can't affect any measurable genetic certainty - even over 200 years - even if you had the best scientists from today executing the program.


This explains why deer still run into the road.
 
2012-07-06 12:46:51 AM  

Clyde_Suckfinger: Pshaw. Everyone knows the REAL reason blacks are better athletes is because they can handle hot weather better.


Shiat, I've seen more black athletes melt in the sun than I could even tell you about.

/ever worn a black shirt in the summer in South Florida??
 
2012-07-06 12:49:56 AM  
If 6 generations of ancestors had been worked 15 hours a day, 7 days a week, all year long for their grown lives (starting as children), you may have a better chance of being born with traits that would make you a better athlete than the son of aristocrats. It's no guarantee, but it's a possibility.

Incidentally, ex-slaves didn't stop working after the Civil War; they were no longer someone else's property and had to be paid for their work.
 
2012-07-06 12:50:04 AM  

cman: Blacks are better athletes because of geography. African farm land is not that good, requiring more hunting for their diet


Do you have any idea how ignorant that is? Black is a skin color, Nothing to do with anything else. There is more genetic diversity in Africa, and amongst darker skin people in Africa then every where else in the world combined. fark pick up a book once in a while. There is amazing farm land in Africa, is a giant farking continent.

/wait I was just trolled wasn't I?
 
2012-07-06 12:51:08 AM  

puffy999: If 6 generations of ancestors had been worked 15 hours a day, 7 days a week, all year long for their grown lives (starting as children), you may have a better chance of being born with traits that would make you a better athlete than the son of aristocrats. It's no guarantee, but it's a possibility.

Incidentally, ex-slaves didn't stop working after the Civil War; they were no longer someone else's property and had to be paid for their work.


Paid for their work? Citation needed lol
 
2012-07-06 12:52:05 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Would like to have a word.

/ French were bred over 1500 years to runaway from the Germans.
 
2012-07-06 12:53:15 AM  

fatalvenom: Clyde_Suckfinger: Pshaw. Everyone knows the REAL reason blacks are better athletes is because they can handle hot weather better.

Shiat, I've seen more black athletes melt in the sun than I could even tell you about.

/ever worn a black shirt in the summer in South Florida??


Also standing at attention in the hot Hawaiian Sun. You can tell the fakers, because they put their hands out to break their fall instead of leading with their face.

/don't lock your knees
 
2012-07-06 12:53:52 AM  

cemsity: [upload.wikimedia.org image 640x426]

Would like to have a word.

/ French were bred over 1500 years to runaway from the Germans.


And everybody else, including their own. It is amazing that the French revolution isn't still going own.
 
2012-07-06 12:59:20 AM  
Slaveholders bred slaves, but the slaves also bred with each other without needing to be told to. And let us not forget that slaveowners also frequently bred with slaves. That isn't why blacks are more likely to be great athletes, it wasn't nearly systematic enough to have a significant effect in that short a span of time. I think it's for two reasons: A) Africans are more genetically diverse, meaning that they would be more likely to have exceptional specimens of all sorts, for better and for worse, outliers if you will; and B) Europeans and Asians have significant Neanderthal ancestry, and Neanderthals were relatively sedentary ambush predators rather than nomadic hunters like Homo sapiens, meaning they would have less need for speed and agility (though they might have some advantages to compensate.)
 
TKM
2012-07-06 01:00:53 AM  
I work with folks from all over the planet, 208 countries at last count. Some of the guys from Western Africa are just solid.

All muscle, no squishy bits and like Andre the Giant, didn't work out. No slave-trading breeding program either. Even after a few years of American diet.

No -African nonsense. Just plain African.

Kind of spooky.
 
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