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(The Citizen)   School to bullied lesbian student: "It's your own fault. Your gayness confuses and scares the other students"   (thelocal.se) divider line 178
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2012-07-05 08:11:03 PM  
"I don't care who he gets so long as I can have a go at the Greeks. They
invented gayness!"
- Mrs. Carberry, Father Ted
 
2012-07-05 08:12:30 PM  
well? is she one of those hot teenage lesbians I see on the internets? or one of those big and puffy lesbians I see down at the garage who wear sensible shoes and have unfortunate haircuts?
 
2012-07-05 08:39:47 PM  
i3.ytimg.com
 
2012-07-05 08:40:02 PM  
HEY Munkgård high school, way to exploit that teaching moment!
 
2012-07-05 08:45:57 PM  
When I see two girls together, I think "Whoa! What's going on? How can they have sex? I don't understand!" You see, their sexuality frightens and confuses me because I'm a caveman who was frozen in the ice one hundred thousand years ago - that's the way I think. But I DO know that it's wrong. It's wrong in a sexy, sexy way.
 
2012-07-05 08:48:36 PM  
Teenage Swedish lesbian? Sweet mother of Pearl, at my highschool we would have carried her around on our shoulders and worshipped her like a god.
 
2012-07-05 09:05:55 PM  
Attempted murder is her own fault?

she was assaulted in 2010 by a fellow student who had hit her in the head, causing a minor head fracture.

"She threatened to shove pliers into my eyes and then she took hold of the pliers and delivered three hefty hits against my temples and the area close to my eyes," the girl wrote in the report.
 
2012-07-05 09:13:18 PM  
Is she hot?
 
2012-07-05 09:29:45 PM  
Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe? I thought Sweden was supposed to be a progressive nation... Even their state church conducts same-sex marriages... Hopefully this case is an anomaly...
 
2012-07-05 09:33:23 PM  

Paris1127: Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe? I thought Sweden was supposed to be a progressive nation... Even their state church conducts same-sex marriages... Hopefully this case is an anomaly...


That is what I was going to say... I thought all those Scandinavian countries were super progressive. Or maybe I am just thinking about Amsterdam.
 
2012-07-05 09:38:24 PM  

Paris1127: Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe? I thought Sweden was supposed to be a progressive nation... Even their state church conducts same-sex marriages... Hopefully this case is an anomaly...


But they are vikings.

Super progressive in gender rights, and super regressive at the same time.

Viking women pros: They controlled the marriage, owned the property, and unwanted sexual advances were met with harsh penalties (unwanted kissing was an ounce of gold. Imagine rape was a murderin')

Viking women cons: Acting like men was immoral, sometimes illegal.
 
2012-07-05 09:44:22 PM  
Sweden, you used to be cool. What happened to you?

You've screwed up the definition of rape on multiple occasions, now this.
 
2012-07-05 10:15:29 PM  

Babwa Wawa: When I see two girls together, I think "Whoa! What's going on? How can they have sex? I don't understand!" You see, their sexuality frightens and confuses me because I'm a caveman who was frozen in the ice one hundred thousand years ago - that's the way I think. But I DO know that it's wrong. It's wrong in a sexy, sexy way.


Niiiiice
 
2012-07-05 10:17:11 PM  
Damn Deep South backwards rednecks better open the purse strings, because the ACLU is going to be all over their a---

Wait, Sweden?!?!?
 
2012-07-05 10:51:56 PM  

Paris1127: Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe? I thought Sweden was supposed to be a progressive nation... Even their state church conducts same-sex marriages... Hopefully this case is an anomaly...


Countries can be progressive and still contain backward-thinking individuals. I'm thinking this is a case of that.
 
2012-07-05 11:06:23 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Damn Deep South backwards rednecks better open the purse strings, because the ACLU is going to be all over their a---

Wait, Sweden?!?!?


THIS. Ohhhhhh, so so This.
 
2012-07-05 11:31:04 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: Paris1127: Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe? I thought Sweden was supposed to be a progressive nation... Even their state church conducts same-sex marriages... Hopefully this case is an anomaly...

Countries can be progressive and still contain backward-thinking individuals. I'm thinking this is a case of that.


www.biography.com

A case in point from one of Sweden's neighbors...
 
2012-07-05 11:53:00 PM  
Sounds like the school is going to be thor over this later

loki, it's all i got, ok
 
2012-07-05 11:54:43 PM  
If you can't beat 'em, lick 'em!
 
2012-07-05 11:55:42 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: Paris1127: Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe? I thought Sweden was supposed to be a progressive nation... Even their state church conducts same-sex marriages... Hopefully this case is an anomaly...

Countries can be progressive and still contain backward-thinking individuals. I'm thinking this is a case of that.


I wonder if you know just how much wisdom you wrote there....

/Prolly not
 
2012-07-05 11:56:27 PM  
Farking Åmål

/life imitates art.
 
2012-07-06 12:04:54 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Damn Deep South backwards rednecks better open the purse strings, because the ACLU is going to be all over their a---

Wait, Sweden?!?!?


southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

Is this the girl's dog?

"That dog's a gay homosexual."
 
2012-07-06 12:07:02 AM  

Babwa Wawa: When I see two girls together, I think "Whoa! What's going on? How can they have sex? I don't understand!" You see, their sexuality frightens and confuses me because I'm a caveman who was frozen in the ice one hundred thousand years ago - that's the way I think. But I DO know that it's wrong. It's wrong in a sexy, sexy way.


And we're done here.

/in my late 20s
//three out girls in my HS and a few more out-when-they-got-to-college but we all knew guys
///no one cared, especially since the drama between the three lesbians got old quick. Limited dating pool and all
 
2012-07-06 12:10:43 AM  

Babwa Wawa: When I see two girls together, I think "Whoa! What's going on? How can they have sex? I don't understand!" You see, their sexuality frightens and confuses me because I'm a caveman who was frozen in the ice one hundred thousand years ago - that's the way I think. But I DO know that it's wrong. It's wrong in a sexy, sexy way.


Statements like this are just SO wrong.

I mean, how can you claim to not know how they have sex?
 
2012-07-06 12:11:26 AM  
Dammit people! Don't you realize that if you aren't doing everything you possibly can to shiat out as many babies as possible you should be isolated from society so your evil non-baby having doesn't spread to everyone else and cause the extinction of the human race?
 
2012-07-06 12:13:35 AM  
Oh, come on. This school was absolutely pertinent in telling this one, sinful, little antagonistic witch that her lifestyle choice to be gay was absolutely wrong in the eyes of both man and God. Were she to stop being so selfish with her life choices and trying to force her gayness onto her peers, she would probibly get along better.

The bible, the infallable word of God from which every normal and moral person on earth draws their life principals from, is VERY CLEAR on what should happen to those who make the sinful choice to fornicate with those of the same sex. Leviticus 18:22. They should let them beat her up. Relentlessly.

/:)
 
2012-07-06 12:15:32 AM  
The school also told her she should have hit back. Insensitive and insulting perhaps, but true.
 
2012-07-06 12:16:55 AM  

Paris1127: Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe?


Well, southern Sweden.
 
2012-07-06 12:16:58 AM  
Babwa Wawa: When I see two girls together, I think "Whoa! What's going on? How can they have sex? I don't understand!" You see, their sexuality frightens and confuses me because I'm a caveman who was frozen in the ice one hundred thousand years ago - that's the way I think. But I DO know that it's wrong. It's wrong in a sexy, sexy way.

Careful with that reference, son. It's an antique.
 
2012-07-06 12:18:24 AM  
Oh right, there's nothing more terrifying to today's teens like a chick that likes chicks. It's only everywhere they look.
 
2012-07-06 12:20:35 AM  
The article's headline was better.

Also, the schools administration are a bunch of f*cking morons.
 
2012-07-06 12:22:09 AM  

Paris1127: The Onion is prophetic: Paris1127: Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe? I thought Sweden was supposed to be a progressive nation... Even their state church conducts same-sex marriages... Hopefully this case is an anomaly...

Countries can be progressive and still contain backward-thinking individuals. I'm thinking this is a case of that.

[www.biography.com image 402x402]

A case in point from one of Sweden's neighbors...


That guy was pretty hot too... sucks that he was a murderous nutjob.

/men
 
2012-07-06 12:26:52 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: OtherLittleGuy: Damn Deep South backwards rednecks better open the purse strings, because the ACLU is going to be all over their a---

Wait, Sweden?!?!?

THIS. Ohhhhhh, so so This.


Seconded. (Even said "this" to the fiance before I saw Benevolent Misanthrope's post)

But Brevik does make it a little more believable now.
 
2012-07-06 12:27:30 AM  
Just a matter of time until some GLBT person decides he better start carrying, gets attacked by some idiot, and decides to stand his ground.

You'll see every Republican head do a complete 360.
 
2012-07-06 12:32:16 AM  

borg: Attempted murder is her own fault?

she was assaulted in 2010 by a fellow student who had hit her in the head, causing a minor head fracture.

"She threatened to shove pliers into my eyes and then she took hold of the pliers and delivered three hefty hits against my temples and the area close to my eyes," the girl wrote in the report.


Well, if she hadn't been so gay and confusing, it never would have happened! Obviously a case of self-defense.
 
2012-07-06 12:34:38 AM  
I expected better than this from you, Sweden...

Not cool, not cool at all...
 
2012-07-06 12:35:57 AM  
Wait, teachers not doing anything to stop bullying? When did this become news? The rule of thumb with teachers is that they'll take what ever route involves the least amount of work.
 
2012-07-06 12:44:43 AM  

Twitch Boy: Just a matter of time until some GLBT person decides he better start carrying, gets attacked by some idiot, and decides to stand his ground.

You'll see every Republican head do a complete 360.


Have you ever heard of Pink Pistols? See http://pinkpistols.org/
 
2012-07-06 12:44:47 AM  
So I drifted down to the comments section, is "The Local" like the international version of Fox News?
 
2012-07-06 12:49:15 AM  
other students were "confused and scared"

lusipurr.com

Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.
 
2012-07-06 12:53:06 AM  
I see a lot of shock that this would take place in Sweden. But I point out - they ARE more progressive and forward thinking than the rest of us, which says a lot of really bad stuff about the rest of us.
 
2012-07-06 12:54:08 AM  

JPINFV: Wait, teachers not doing anything to stop bullying? When did this become news?




Bullying only counts when the bullied is a homosexual. Then it's news worthy.
 
2012-07-06 12:55:09 AM  
If it weren't for teenagers' reputation for being completely trustworthy, I might doubt the accuracy of this story.
 
2012-07-06 12:59:51 AM  
lesbians and gays arent people anyways why is this even news?
 
2012-07-06 01:02:19 AM  
Sweden, I am disappoint.
 
2012-07-06 01:11:13 AM  
That's odd. It seems so un-European, especially combined with that rape story yesterday.
WTF Sweden?
Well, they didn't use names. It could be "refuges" I guess.
 
2012-07-06 01:14:28 AM  

Paris1127: Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe? I thought Sweden was supposed to be a progressive nation... Even their state church conducts same-sex marriages... Hopefully this case is an anomaly...


Maybe she's just a SUPER lesbian, and it throws off their stuffy European sensibilities
 
2012-07-06 01:16:34 AM  
Could someone help me out? I don't know what a hot Swedish lesbian looks like.
 
b3x
2012-07-06 01:16:59 AM  
welcome to high school ...if you are different and flaunt it, it will be held against you. this is a good life lesson for the real world.
 
2012-07-06 01:20:39 AM  

b3x: welcome to high school ...if you are different and flaunt it, it will be held against you. this is a good life lesson for the real world.


God, if there's one thing I hate more than outright ignorance it's complacency. The "real world" is just a collection of stupid lessons you've had ingrained in you that amount to "SHUT UP AND DON'T ROCK THE BOAT." The only "real" thing in your so called "real world" is human beings, and we CAN behave better. We CHOOSE not to. Get it right.
 
2012-07-06 01:24:07 AM  

b3x: welcome to high school ...if you are different and flaunt it, it will be held against you. this is a good life lesson for the real world.


Or you can stand up for yourself and beat the living bejeesus out of the bully, and when questioned say "I don't understand them. They scare and confuse me. It's not my fault".
 
2012-07-06 01:32:15 AM  

Twitch Boy: Just a matter of time until some GLBT person decides he better start carrying, gets attacked by some idiot, and decides to stand his ground.

You'll see every Republican head do a complete 360.


Really? This Republican would say that the hypothetical attacker would have it coming. To borrow from the "egg-shell rule" of jurisprudence, "You take your victim as you find him". If you attack someone who's packing, you get what you deserve.

One of the keystones of a livable society is that people don't go around physically attacking people in public for no valid reason. And no, being gay doesn't qualify as such (even if he flirts with you in front of your friends). Any reasonable person (regardless on their views on GLBTetc issues) should be in agreement with that.
 
2012-07-06 01:34:26 AM  
Maybe she just needs to stop acting like a farking biatch.

/What?
//I said 'maybe'.
 
2012-07-06 01:37:48 AM  
The derp in the comments to TFA is worthy of Fox Izvestia.
 
2012-07-06 01:52:56 AM  
How timely.

apparently people didn't read my comment from the swedish man rape comments

Let's recap.

"Almost everything you think you know about Sweden is wrong. They have the best PR firm in existence. Reality is very different."


Paris1127
"..Hopefully this case is an anomaly..."

Yes this is an anomaly, it made the news.
 
2012-07-06 01:56:26 AM  
So, this is one of those threads where I have the choice of getting on my high horse and saying that bullying is wrong, be an ITG and say how i'd have fought back, tell the girl not to act different because the real world don't appreciate that shiat, or summon He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Quoted for some good old bigoted copy-pasta, right?
 
2012-07-06 01:58:25 AM  

blender61: How timely.

apparently people didn't read my comment from the swedish man rape comments

Let's recap.

"Almost everything you think you know about Sweden is wrong. They have the best PR firm in existence. Reality is very different."


Paris1127
"..Hopefully this case is an anomaly..."

Yes this is an anomaly, it made the news.


I'd hate to think that anyone actually believes that Sweden is a happy fairy tale. But while I can't speak for everyone else, I look at it relatively. Compared to, say, the US, it's freaking Candyland. But then again, compared to necrotizing fasciitis, pneumonia ain't so bad. It's all relative.
 
2012-07-06 01:59:15 AM  
I'm willing to bet that her being a lesbian was secondary to how she presented herself in general. If she was a general pain in the ass to the rest of the students it wouldn't matter if she was a virgin, a raging slut who blew the entire skiing team or a lesbian, she's going to attract unwanted attention. The response by the school indicates to me that she was an overall problem student with previous behavior issues who also happened to be gay. This is no different than someone trying to play the race card even though their race had nothing to do with an incident.
 
2012-07-06 01:59:18 AM  

robohobo: JPINFV: Wait, teachers not doing anything to stop bullying? When did this become news?



Bullying only counts when the bullied is a homosexual. Then it's news worthy.


were you under a rock for bullied bus monitor grandma karen klein last month?

and phoebe prince would like to say something but she can't

and it's not like jessi slaughter's dad became a meme or anything
 
2012-07-06 02:01:46 AM  

batcookie: blender61: How timely.

apparently people didn't read my comment from the swedish man rape comments

Let's recap.

"Almost everything you think you know about Sweden is wrong. They have the best PR firm in existence. Reality is very different."


Paris1127
"..Hopefully this case is an anomaly..."

Yes this is an anomaly, it made the news.

I'd hate to think that anyone actually believes that Sweden is a happy fairy tale. But while I can't speak for everyone else, I look at it relatively. Compared to, say, the US, it's freaking Candyland. But then again, compared to necrotizing fasciitis, pneumonia ain't so bad. It's all relative.


My brain turned that into 'necropheliac fascists' damn late night job...

/give a whole new degree of farked up to the Wolfenstein games
 
2012-07-06 02:03:40 AM  

Radioactive Ass: I'm willing to bet that her being a lesbian was secondary to how she presented herself in general. If she was a general pain in the ass to the rest of the students it wouldn't matter if she was a virgin, a raging slut who blew the entire skiing team or a lesbian, she's going to attract unwanted attention. The response by the school indicates to me that she was an overall problem student with previous behavior issues who also happened to be gay. This is no different than someone trying to play the race card even though their race had nothing to do with an incident.


wow you seem to know a lot about this girl. i'm sure it's not baseless "blame the victim" speculatiom.
 
2012-07-06 02:13:44 AM  
The people who live in Sweden are human beings guys, they aren't farking angels.

Bullying in High School happens everywhere.
 
2012-07-06 02:16:44 AM  
I still want to live in Sweden. Skiing blondes and black metal. When I die, I will go to Sverige.
 
2012-07-06 02:17:16 AM  
I went to school in Sweden in 1991, when I was in third grade. I can't really comment on this though because I was not aware of homosexuality (except my own) and I was not aware of any anti-homosexuality behavior. There were lots of graffiti swastikas, though. But I didn't take them too seriously as I kind of felt they were an expression of general angst. That was an odd year though as there were several shootings of immigrants in broad daylight in downtown Uppsala where I lived. Immigration has always been a tricky issue in Europe.

Anyhow, there was a great coming of age movie about a lesbian girl in Sweden called farking Åmål; of course, the American title of the film is Show Me Love. Hehe. The Swedish title sounds more scandalous than it is. Åmål is the name of a town in Sweden, so the title is an expression of frustration, not of someone farking a person named that. I could imagine this type of behavior happening in smaller towns in Sweden. I think that like the US not every town would be the same. The different is that Sweden is one country so the federal laws would apply to everyone, and there are likely more protections in place. Still, this story surprised me.
 
2012-07-06 02:34:03 AM  
In this situation what I see is bullying and attempted murder and the authorities in charge of stopping it not doing their jobs. The victim's sexuality is just the excuse the bullies are using to try and justify themselves. If she were straight, maybe they wouldn't have targeted her, but they'd be doing it to someone else just as bad and unless that victim was "special" in some way nobody would care, the school would dismiss and belittle them just the same way, nobody would support them or help or be outraged like this, and it happens every day in every school. Wrong isn't "extra special wrong" because the person doing it uses one excuse over another, it's just plain wrong because it's just plain wrong.

batcookie: b3x: welcome to high school ...if you are different and flaunt it, it will be held against you. this is a good life lesson for the real world.

God, if there's one thing I hate more than outright ignorance it's complacency. The "real world" is just a collection of stupid lessons you've had ingrained in you that amount to "SHUT UP AND DON'T ROCK THE BOAT." The only "real" thing in your so called "real world" is human beings, and we CAN behave better. We CHOOSE not to. Get it right.


"Better" is subjective. And "don't rock the boat" is just an adult version of the control messages we're programmed with as children, you can't expect most people to work outside them. Conservatives want to use it to maintain the facist "don't ask don't tell, it's fine as long as I don't have to see it" attitude towards homosexuality. Liberals like to use it to paint anyone who doesn't have the "right thoughts" or isn't comfortable with atypical sexualities as neanderthals who need some kind of forcible re-education to be considered human.
 
2012-07-06 02:37:10 AM  
The comments in this thread show a disturbing lack of skepticism.

A teenager claims she was beaten with pliers to the point that she suffered a skull fracture, and that her school's reaction was along the lines of "meh, you need to be less sexual".

In the absence of any collaborating evidence, I find that difficult to believe. Teenagers (kids in general, really) are notorious for being full of shiat, and that is quite an incredible story. I simply cannot imagine teachers and principals apathetically looking on while their students beat one another with tools.

Why is everyone buying into her story hook, line and sinker without even having the benefit of knowing what the school has to say?
 
2012-07-06 02:40:40 AM  

Moonlightfox: In this situation what I see is bullying and attempted murder and the authorities in charge of stopping it not doing their jobs. The victim's sexuality is just the excuse the bullies are using to try and justify themselves. If she were straight, maybe they wouldn't have targeted her, but they'd be doing it to someone else just as bad and unless that victim was "special" in some way nobody would care, the school would dismiss and belittle them just the same way, nobody would support them or help or be outraged like this, and it happens every day in every school. Wrong isn't "extra special wrong" because the person doing it uses one excuse over another, it's just plain wrong because it's just plain wrong.

batcookie: b3x: welcome to high school ...if you are different and flaunt it, it will be held against you. this is a good life lesson for the real world.

God, if there's one thing I hate more than outright ignorance it's complacency. The "real world" is just a collection of stupid lessons you've had ingrained in you that amount to "SHUT UP AND DON'T ROCK THE BOAT." The only "real" thing in your so called "real world" is human beings, and we CAN behave better. We CHOOSE not to. Get it right.

"Better" is subjective. And "don't rock the boat" is just an adult version of the control messages we're programmed with as children, you can't expect most people to work outside them. Conservatives want to use it to maintain the facist "don't ask don't tell, it's fine as long as I don't have to see it" attitude towards homosexuality. Liberals like to use it to paint anyone who doesn't have the "right thoughts" or isn't comfortable with atypical sexualities as neanderthals who need some kind of forcible re-education to be considered human.



Better is subjective. However, can you really think of a way to justify denying someone peace/safety/security because you don't like who they choose to fark? Really, objectively speaking? You give me just one logical reason for why that thinking could ever be construed as okay, and I'll concede this one to you. Evolution doesn't even count, as we're already over-populated. So honestly, give me ONE objective reason. I can give you lots of objective reasons why that thinking is harmful, and I will if you want, I am a psychologist, so if there's one thing I know it's human thought patterns and behaviors and the consequences that inevitably come from them. I am just asking you for one. Re-education has naught to do with it - it's about metacognition. People aren't usually willingly stupid, they just don't know their own mind and how to avoid the mental traps humans fall into.
 
2012-07-06 02:43:15 AM  

cherrydog: wow you seem to know a lot about this girl. i'm sure it's not baseless "blame the victim" speculatiom.


I know just as much about her and her situation as you do. I also know how schools react to bullying and that problem students in general tend to be treated differently than non-problem students where bullying is involved. If the student is a magnet for bullies then there's obviously something going on that TFA isn't saying, perhaps because it isn't helpful to their obvious agenda (as seen in their own headline "School to bullied lesbian teen: don't be so gay") of playing the "Gay Card".

High school kids are ruthlessly Darwinian when it comes to peer pressure but if it's coming down to blows then it's pretty clear that there were other indicators well before that that made her stand out to the schools administrators and teachers as someone who quite literally was "asking for it" at some point as shown by their response of telling her to "Tone down" her behavior.

Sometimes it's ok to "Blame the victim" when the victim is actually at least half of the problem. That doesn't mean that I condone the bullies actions. Not at all, but from what I've read this appears to be a situation that could be seen coming a mile away by the school (not necessarily who the bully was going to be but who the victim was going to be). Obnoxious kids tend to get bullied no matter what their sexual preference (or whatever other criteria you wish to choose) may be and often the best advice you can give them is to not be so obnoxious and then let them figure out why because once they get out into the "Real" world the consequences can be a lot worse than some bullying in the schoolyard and there won't be a teacher to run to for protection.
 
2012-07-06 02:44:39 AM  
I've met gays who were really annoyingly gay to the point of deserving an eye-pinching.

But how does a lesbian become more annoying?
I mean, they're already women..
 
2012-07-06 02:58:24 AM  
This is the second article in as many days that's made me go, "WTF, Sweden?!" They're going on my list along with Florida, Texas and Quebec.
 
2012-07-06 03:03:15 AM  

batcookie: blender61: How timely.

apparently people didn't read my comment from the swedish man rape comments

Let's recap.

"Almost everything you think you know about Sweden is wrong. They have the best PR firm in existence. Reality is very different."


Paris1127
"..Hopefully this case is an anomaly..."

Yes this is an anomaly, it made the news.

I'd hate to think that anyone actually believes that Sweden is a happy fairy tale. But while I can't speak for everyone else, I look at it relatively. Compared to, say, the US, it's freaking Candyland. But then again, compared to necrotizing fasciitis, pneumonia ain't so bad. It's all relative.


Oh wow a dig at America, you are so witty and edgy
 
2012-07-06 03:05:04 AM  

batcookie:

I'd hate to think that anyone actually believes that Sweden is a happy fairy tale. But while I can't speak for everyone else, I look at it relatively. Compared to, say, the US, it's freaking Candyland. But then again, compared to necrotizing fasciitis, pneumonia ain't so bad. It's all relative.


Gave you a smart and a funny.
There is good and bad in all things.
Pick your poison.
 
2012-07-06 03:07:09 AM  
I still don't get it. Someone is going to have to post pictures of Swedish lesbian school girls for me to understand. Hot ones, if possible.
 
2012-07-06 03:08:09 AM  
cedarpark: I still don't get it. Someone is going to have to post pictures of Swedish lesbian school girls for me to understand. Hot ones, if possible.

Hello. My name is Chris Hanson.

Why don't you have a seat over there.The Party Van will be there shortly.
 
2012-07-06 03:11:17 AM  

blender61: batcookie:

I'd hate to think that anyone actually believes that Sweden is a happy fairy tale. But while I can't speak for everyone else, I look at it relatively. Compared to, say, the US, it's freaking Candyland. But then again, compared to necrotizing fasciitis, pneumonia ain't so bad. It's all relative.

Gave you a smart and a funny.
There is good and bad in all things.
Pick your poison.


Indeed. You can guarantee if a country contains humans, there WILL be d-bags.

(For instance, someone who dislikes someone's opinion so they attempt to easy their own psychological discomfort by refusing to address the actual idea and instead discrediting it by making false assumptions about the person's motivations. See: I had Snu Snu)
 
2012-07-06 03:12:43 AM  

Radioactive Ass: cherrydog: wow you seem to know a lot about this girl. i'm sure it's not baseless "blame the victim" speculatiom.

I know just as much about her and her situation as you do. I also know how schools react to bullying and that problem students in general tend to be treated differently than non-problem students where bullying is involved. If the student is a magnet for bullies then there's obviously something going on that TFA isn't saying, perhaps because it isn't helpful to their obvious agenda (as seen in their own headline "School to bullied lesbian teen: don't be so gay") of playing the "Gay Card".

High school kids are ruthlessly Darwinian when it comes to peer pressure but if it's coming down to blows then it's pretty clear that there were other indicators well before that that made her stand out to the schools administrators and teachers as someone who quite literally was "asking for it" at some point as shown by their response of telling her to "Tone down" her behavior.

Sometimes it's ok to "Blame the victim" when the victim is actually at least half of the problem. That doesn't mean that I condone the bullies actions. Not at all, but from what I've read this appears to be a situation that could be seen coming a mile away by the school (not necessarily who the bully was going to be but who the victim was going to be). Obnoxious kids tend to get bullied no matter what their sexual preference (or whatever other criteria you wish to choose) may be and often the best advice you can give them is to not be so obnoxious and then let them figure out why because once they get out into the "Real" world the consequences can be a lot worse than some bullying in the schoolyard and there won't be a teacher to run to for protection.


yes this is clearly and unequivocally a case of "she was an obnoxious lesbo and asking for it, so this is a good lesson for her when she gets to the Real world", you made case well, counselor

/you sound republican
 
2012-07-06 03:16:14 AM  

I had Snu Snu: batcookie:

"I'd hate to think that anyone actually believes that Sweden is a happy fairy tale. But while I can't speak for everyone else, I look at it relatively. Compared to, say, the US, it's freaking Candyland. But then again, compared to necrotizing fasciitis, pneumonia ain't so bad. It's all relative."

Oh wow a dig at America, you are so witty and edgy


You do realize that he does have a point. Nobody come to the table with clean hands.
Don't be so thin skinned.
 
2012-07-06 03:17:33 AM  
True Story.
 
2012-07-06 03:18:55 AM  
The school says she needs to "tone down her sexuality". Isn't that also what they might say to a loutish jock who assumed that all girls wanted to have sex with him and got thumped by one for coming on too strong?

Being lesbian is not a licence for unwanted and agressive sexual advances.
 
2012-07-06 03:30:37 AM  

batcookie: Moonlightfox: In this situation what I see is bullying and attempted murder and the authorities in charge of stopping it not doing their jobs. The victim's sexuality is just the excuse the bullies are using to try and justify themselves. If she were straight, maybe they wouldn't have targeted her, but they'd be doing it to someone else just as bad and unless that victim was "special" in some way nobody would care, the school would dismiss and belittle them just the same way, nobody would support them or help or be outraged like this, and it happens every day in every school. Wrong isn't "extra special wrong" because the person doing it uses one excuse over another, it's just plain wrong because it's just plain wrong.

batcookie: b3x: welcome to high school ...if you are different and flaunt it, it will be held against you. this is a good life lesson for the real world.

God, if there's one thing I hate more than outright ignorance it's complacency. The "real world" is just a collection of stupid lessons you've had ingrained in you that amount to "SHUT UP AND DON'T ROCK THE BOAT." The only "real" thing in your so called "real world" is human beings, and we CAN behave better. We CHOOSE not to. Get it right.

"Better" is subjective. And "don't rock the boat" is just an adult version of the control messages we're programmed with as children, you can't expect most people to work outside them. Conservatives want to use it to maintain the facist "don't ask don't tell, it's fine as long as I don't have to see it" attitude towards homosexuality. Liberals like to use it to paint anyone who doesn't have the "right thoughts" or isn't comfortable with atypical sexualities as neanderthals who need some kind of forcible re-education to be considered human.


Better is subjective. However, can you really think of a way to justify denying someone peace/safety/security because you don't like who they choose to fark? Really, objectively speaking? You give me just one logical reason for why that thinking could ever be construed as okay, and I'll concede this one to you. Evolution doesn't even count, as we're already over-populated. So honestly, give me ONE objective reason. I can give you lots of objective reasons why that thinking is harmful, and I will if you want, I am a psychologist, so if there's one thing I know it's human thought patterns and behaviors and the consequences that inevitably come from them. I am just asking you for one. Re-education has naught to do with it - it's about metacognition. People aren't usually willingly stupid, they just don't know their own mind and how to avoid the mental traps humans fall into.


They're not denying people peace/saftey/security by being internally uncomfortable with different sexualities, and when I say "uncomfortable" I don't mean "thinks it's wrong" I mean "have conflicted feelings about the subject as a whole due to lack of exposure but hold no particular malice to anyone involved," which seems to be the dominant attitude anywhere without a large presence of said differing sexualities.

But as far as you seem to be saying, any straight person who doesn't think, feel and speak exactly the way they're told to about sexuality is morally equivalent to that psychotic biatch who attacked this girl with a pair of pliers for being gay.

That's a problem- the attitude that a given "special group" is allowed to dictate to anyone who isn't part of it what to think, feel, and say; and any individual who doesn't obey is stereotyped as various ridiculous things and just generally godwinned by proxy. Conversely anyone who's part of that group gets to think, feel, and say whatever they want and anyone who questions it is subject to similar crucifixion.

It's the same with race, it's the same with religion, it's the same with gender identity and sexuality. Putting people into arbitrary privileged classes based on their differences only breeds more xenophobia and ignorance, it does NOT solve it.
 
2012-07-06 03:31:32 AM  

cherrydog: yes this is clearly and unequivocally a case of "she was an obnoxious lesbo and asking for it, so this is a good lesson for her when she gets to the Real world", you made case well, counselor

/you sound republican


How about just an obnoxious person in general? Homosexuals are just as likely to be obnoxious as anyone else or do you think that because they're gay they are immune from that very human trait. Again, lacking the specifics other than what a clearly biased article decided to mete out to its readers it sounds to me like she was a known problem and that this incident wasn't a one time occurrence for her.

/you sound very biased... much like the Republicans that you clearly claim to dislike. Are you sure that you're not a closeted Republican overcompensating by being a Republicanphobe?
 
2012-07-06 03:36:38 AM  

Radioactive Ass: cherrydog: yes this is clearly and unequivocally a case of "she was an obnoxious lesbo and asking for it, so this is a good lesson for her when she gets to the Real world", you made case well, counselor

/you sound republican

How about just an obnoxious person in general? Homosexuals are just as likely to be obnoxious as anyone else or do you think that because they're gay they are immune from that very human trait. Again, lacking the specifics other than what a clearly biased article decided to mete out to its readers it sounds to me like she was a known problem and that this incident wasn't a one time occurrence for her.

/you sound very biased... much like the Republicans that you clearly claim to dislike. Are you sure that you're not a closeted Republican overcompensating by being a Republicanphobe?


you got my number!

/clever girl
 
2012-07-06 03:40:49 AM  

Moonlightfox: thinking is harmful, and I will if you want, I am a psychologist, so if there's one thing I know it's human thought patterns and behaviors and the consequences that inevitably come from them. I am just asking you for one. Re-education has naught to do with it - it's about metacognition. People aren't usually willingly stupid, they just don't know their own mind and how to avoid the mental traps humans fall into.

They're not denying people peace/saftey/security by being internally uncomfortable with different sexualities, and when I say "uncomfortable" I don't mean "thinks it's wrong" I mean "have conflicted feelings about the subject as a whole due to lack of exposure but hold no particular malice to anyone involved," which seems to be the dominant attitude anywhere without a large presence of said differing sexualities.

But


Nobody said anything about internal discomfort. Beating someone with pliars and then telling that person they are at fault is not internal. Internal discomfort is fine, as long as it STAYS internal. I'm uncomfortable with religion and capitalism internally, but I try not to be a douche to religious people and businessmen. I definitely don't go around beating them with pliars. What you are referring to, a personal discomfort that you keep to yourself, has absolutely nothing to do with this article. No one's saying that if she'd been beaten with pliars for another reason, like they didn't like her haircut, it would have been any better. You decided that one. And if belonging to a group of people that has to fight for their right to not be murdered in most countries is your idea of "privileged," you're a bit scary. The xenophobia is there. The irrational hatred is there. Protections need to be offered, then, to EVERYONE. Turning a blind eye when one group is persecuted ALSO does not solve the problem.
 
2012-07-06 04:03:16 AM  

batcookie: Moonlightfox: thinking is harmful, and I will if you want, I am a psychologist, so if there's one thing I know it's human thought patterns and behaviors and the consequences that inevitably come from them. I am just asking you for one. Re-education has naught to do with it - it's about metacognition. People aren't usually willingly stupid, they just don't know their own mind and how to avoid the mental traps humans fall into.

They're not denying people peace/saftey/security by being internally uncomfortable with different sexualities, and when I say "uncomfortable" I don't mean "thinks it's wrong" I mean "have conflicted feelings about the subject as a whole due to lack of exposure but hold no particular malice to anyone involved," which seems to be the dominant attitude anywhere without a large presence of said differing sexualities.

But

Nobody said anything about internal discomfort. Beating someone with pliars and then telling that person they are at fault is not internal. Internal discomfort is fine, as long as it STAYS internal. I'm uncomfortable with religion and capitalism internally, but I try not to be a douche to religious people and businessmen. I definitely don't go around beating them with pliars. What you are referring to, a personal discomfort that you keep to yourself, has absolutely nothing to do with this article. No one's saying that if she'd been beaten with pliars for another reason, like they didn't like her haircut, it would have been any better. You decided that one. And if belonging to a group of people that has to fight for their right to not be murdered in most countries is your idea of "privileged," you're a bit scary. The xenophobia is there. The irrational hatred is there. Protections need to be offered, then, to EVERYONE. Turning a blind eye when one group is persecuted ALSO does not solve the problem.


But the part of my comment you originally replied to, was not talking about the particular incident in the article. It was talking about the way the school editorialized about people being uncomfortable with the girl's sexuality and using that as an excuse, and the newspaper article editorializing that to draw a moral equivalency between that and the actual crimes committed against the victim. The text between the lines asks, "when you think about it, didn't all straight people metaphorically beat all homosexuals with a pair of pliers?"

No one's saying that if she'd been beaten with pliars for another reason, like they didn't like her haircut, it would have been any better. You decided that one.
But I didn't decide it. Society does that, when the sorts of things in this article happen every day, and it only hits the news when the victim is photogenic or politically important somehow.

Protections need to be offered, then, to EVERYONE. Turning a blind eye when one group is persecuted ALSO does not solve the problem.
And this, indeed, is the logical conclusion I'm trying to draw a line to- As far as protection people from persecution and bullying goes, why needs to come second. Empathy for the victim and action being taken to stop the incident comes first.The people in charge of offering protection, the school in this case, need to be blind to human differences and just do their damn job. It doesn't matter if she was the most obnoxious person on the planet, it doesn't matter if she was gay. What matters is she was victimized.
 
2012-07-06 04:03:41 AM  
There's are two really easy solutions to bullying.

The first is to segregate them from society until they are grown adults or can be determined to be actual psychopaths.

The second is called beating the bully violently and fully. You may not want to accept it, but it's the tried and tested way to resolve it. Stripping people of their ability to defend themselves has, unfortunately, just led to more (and more vicious) bullying.

Or you can just keep letting egghead adults who think "it's a part of growing up" keep letting people be terrorized and tortured.

You're dealing with primates who are expressing primate behavior, going after the "weakest" (or most obnoxious) member of the pack. Contrary to popular opinion, some children and teenagers are very much reptile-brain monsters. You should treat them as such. You'd be surprised how big of a 180 a bully who has had the shiat kicked out of him turns around. And don't believe the tripe about "they're just insecure people who have abusive parents" -- it's scientifically disproved (but it sounds oh so nice, they're really just little sweeties who need more love!). They're incredibly confident people who like to inflict suffering on others to establish their place in the hierarchy.
 
2012-07-06 04:09:16 AM  

Moonlightfox: And this, indeed, is the logical conclusion I'm trying to draw a line to- As far as protection people from persecution and bullying goes, why needs to come second. Empathy for the victim and action being taken to stop the incident comes first.The people in charge of offering protection, the school in this case, need to be blind to human differences and just do their damn job. It doesn't matter if she was the most obnoxious person on the planet, it doesn't matter if she was gay. What matters is she was victimized.


Correct.

But it's easier to blame the victim for being annoying. I mean, don't you just hit every annoying person you meet in the head with pliers? What? You mean the actual (not whimsical) impulse to do that doesn't control you in regular life? Why, darn, you just must not be a kid. It makes sense that kids do that. They're just kids. Nope, no way at all some of those kids are psychopathic monsters who will turn into psychopathic adults. It's just "being kids!" I say let 'em all hit each other in the heads with pliers until the annoying ones figure out how to stop being annoying and play along with the normal ones. In fact, we ought to take all the annoying kids out, maybe make them wear some kind of badge, and hit them in the head with pliers just so they know their place. Then the bullies don't have to do it. It will be like, "Welcome to the real world!" And save them a history class or two.
 
2012-07-06 04:14:01 AM  
hey gimmick, know how i know you were home-schooled?
 
2012-07-06 04:14:02 AM  
To be fair, we are only getting the girl's version of events. I sincerely doubt it is the complete truth. Not outside the realm of possibility she is making mountains out of molehills because she wants the attention. She is a teenage girl afterall.
 
2012-07-06 04:18:17 AM  
I'm trying to figure out the whole "obnoxious to the point of deserving to be beat with a pair of pliers in the temple" thing. Is that what some poster here is actually arguing?

I mean, I've been annoyed by obnoxious people before, but taking a pair of pliers to their face was something I left to psychopaths.

What the fark?
 
2012-07-06 04:37:24 AM  

Radioactive Ass: I'm willing to bet that her being a lesbian was secondary to how she presented herself in general. If she was a general pain in the ass to the rest of the students it wouldn't matter if she was a virgin, a raging slut who blew the entire skiing team or a lesbian, she's going to attract unwanted attention. The response by the school indicates to me that she was an overall problem student with previous behavior issues who also happened to be gay. This is no different than someone trying to play the race card even though their race had nothing to do with an incident.


Ergo, she deserved the pliers to the face.
 
2012-07-06 04:38:22 AM  

FitzShivering: There's are two really easy solutions to bullying.

The first is to segregate them from society until they are grown adults or can be determined to be actual psychopaths.

The second is called beating the bully violently and fully. You may not want to accept it, but it's the tried and tested way to resolve it. Stripping people of their ability to defend themselves has, unfortunately, just led to more (and more vicious) bullying.

Or you can just keep letting egghead adults who think "it's a part of growing up" keep letting people be terrorized and tortured.

You're dealing with primates who are expressing primate behavior, going after the "weakest" (or most obnoxious) member of the pack. Contrary to popular opinion, some children and teenagers are very much reptile-brain monsters. You should treat them as such. You'd be surprised how big of a 180 a bully who has had the shiat kicked out of him turns around. And don't believe the tripe about "they're just insecure people who have abusive parents" -- it's scientifically disproved (but it sounds oh so nice, they're really just little sweeties who need more love!). They're incredibly confident people who like to inflict suffering on others to establish their place in the hierarchy.


Except that, while it may not be the vast majority of bullies that are abused, the one time you get that kid, fighting him is going to make it 1,000,000,000 times worse for you. An abused child who physically lashes out and becomes a bully is doing so because they've been stripped of every bit of power in their own life by their abuser. In entering the "real world" and going to school, they are exposed to a world of people who do not have complete and utter power over them, as expressed by violence, as they've learned it. A bully like this won't listen to a teacher, because he knows that teacher is not going to beat him. He's had worse. And a bully like this whose victim fights back, particularly if the victim wins, will double down on his aggression because he has experienced a feeling of personal power for the first time in his life and he is going to fight tooth and nail not to have it ripped away from him again. But bullying varies in degree and motivations. Some of it is primate posturing, establishing a heirarchy, but in extreme cases, there usually IS more to it. Now, there are a multitude of other reasons this bully girl could have been acting out. Perhaps her parents are vehemently (and perhaps even violently) opposed to homosexuality. Perhaps she's trying to fit in and be popular. Perhaps it's a case of the "at least I'm not..."s, as I like to call it (classic example - the Ewells from To Kill A Mockingbird... well established to be the trashiest, most hated, bottom of the barrel people in town - but they were white, so the town still rallied behind them against the black guy). There are a million possible reasons for it, and no, fighting back will not always stop it. Finding out the bully's motivations would give you a chance at stopping it, but most teachers don't have the time (or even really care enough) to look that deeply. Besides, we don't live in a rehabilitative society, we live in a retributive society. If they do ANYTHING, it's just to say "detention" and feel their work is done, knowing full well it's not going to put a stop to the situation.
 
2012-07-06 04:58:52 AM  

jodaveki: I'm trying to figure out the whole "obnoxious to the point of deserving to be beat with a pair of pliers in the temple" thing. Is that what some poster here is actually arguing?

I mean, I've been annoyed by obnoxious people before, but taking a pair of pliers to their face was something I left to psychopaths.

What the fark?


Actually, I think the majority of his ranting and outrage is about how he thinks the girl is trying to turn it into a hate crime by being a lesbian victim, instead of regular bullying (still bad) of an annoying girl who happens to be a lesbian.
 
2012-07-06 05:04:21 AM  

Paris1127: Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe? I thought Sweden was supposed to be a progressive nation... Even their state church conducts same-sex marriages... Hopefully this case is an anomaly...


You do realize most of the "well that country is way better at X than we are" is BS, right? We are the most heterogeneous country, so the intolerance stands out, but it is much LESS here because of it. Most places are pretty bad when it comes to people who arent like them.
 
2012-07-06 05:07:20 AM  

chaosweaver: jodaveki: I'm trying to figure out the whole "obnoxious to the point of deserving to be beat with a pair of pliers in the temple" thing. Is that what some poster here is actually arguing?

I mean, I've been annoyed by obnoxious people before, but taking a pair of pliers to their face was something I left to psychopaths.

What the fark?

Actually, I think the majority of his ranting and outrage is about how he thinks the girl is trying to turn it into a hate crime by being a lesbian victim, instead of regular bullying (still bad) of an annoying girl who happens to be a lesbian.


What a strange case to make. I'm not too keen on the whole hate enhancement thing, but at this point GIRL TOOK PLIERS TO HER FACE should override just about everything.
 
2012-07-06 05:07:40 AM  

dletter: Paris1127: Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe? I thought Sweden was supposed to be a progressive nation... Even their state church conducts same-sex marriages... Hopefully this case is an anomaly...

That is what I was going to say... I thought all those Scandinavian countries were super progressive. Or maybe I am just thinking about Amsterdam.


Well, Norway has a bible belt and I have no trouble imagining something like this happening there. Maybe the same goes for Sweden?

/gods makes people stupid and violent
 
2012-07-06 05:09:09 AM  

Modguy: Ergo, she deserved the pliers to the face.


You missed the part where I said that I didn't condone that behavior.
 
2012-07-06 05:11:47 AM  
As much as I'd like to be all "oh, no, how dare they be such dicks", a few years teaching middle/high school actually makes my first reaction an assumption that the paper is leaving out part of the story where the "victim" blatantly physically assaults all the people that she later claims are "bullying" her.

The whole "my story is in no way verifiable even though every school in the first world has had essentially full video coverage since the mid '90s" aspect of the complaint doesn't really do her any favors, either statistically or in terms of the actual math around miscreance.
 
2012-07-06 05:12:27 AM  

Gimmick: In the absence of any collaborating evidence, I find that difficult to believe. Teenagers (kids in general, really) are notorious for being full of shiat, and that is quite an incredible story. I simply cannot imagine teachers and principals apathetically looking on while their students beat one another with tools.


Sadly, I have no problem imagining that at all. Far too many teachers just do not give a shiat about their students. All is well as long as the monthly paychecks are on time and nobody disturbs their coffee breaks.
 
2012-07-06 05:14:21 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Gimmick: In the absence of any collaborating evidence, I find that difficult to believe. Teenagers (kids in general, really) are notorious for being full of shiat, and that is quite an incredible story. I simply cannot imagine teachers and principals apathetically looking on while their students beat one another with tools.

Sadly, I have no problem imagining that at all. Far too many teachers just do not give a shiat about their students. All is well as long as the monthly paychecks are on time and nobody disturbs their coffee breaks.


That's one of the fundamental flaws of capitalism though... having a calling vs. "a job". So long as the goal is "make money," people aren't going to be doing things because they care. There are exceptions, of course, but they are not the norm. I find that most teachers DON'T give a sh*t as long as they get to go home at 2:30.
 
2012-07-06 05:15:19 AM  

I had Snu Snu: I'd hate to think that anyone actually believes that Sweden is a happy fairy tale. But while I can't speak for everyone else, I look at it relatively. Compared to, say, the US, it's freaking Candyland. But then again, compared to necrotizing fasciitis, pneumonia ain't so bad. It's all relative.

Oh wow a dig at America, you are so witty and edgy


A bit thin-skinned, no?

/USA USA USA
 
2012-07-06 05:20:50 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Modguy: Ergo, she deserved the pliers to the face.

You missed the part where I said that I didn't condone that behavior.


You do see how your post implies that the girl actually invited PLIERS TO THE FACE, right?
 
2012-07-06 05:35:34 AM  

robohobo:

Bullying only counts when the bullied is a homosexual. Then it's news worthy.


A homosexual what?
 
2012-07-06 05:42:04 AM  

chaosweaver:
Actually, I think the majority of his ranting and outrage is about how he thinks the girl is trying to turn it into a hate crime by being a lesbian victim, instead of regular bullying (still bad) of an annoying girl who happens to be a lesbian.


I went to school with a nasty little thug who, whenever any of his victims fought back, would instantly accuse them of antisemitism, him being Jewish and all.
 
2012-07-06 05:45:56 AM  

batcookie: FitzShivering: There's are two really easy solutions to bullying.

The first is to segregate them from society until they are grown adults or can be determined to be actual psychopaths.

The second is called beating the bully violently and fully. You may not want to accept it, but it's the tried and tested way to resolve it. Stripping people of their ability to defend themselves has, unfortunately, just led to more (and more vicious) bullying.

Or you can just keep letting egghead adults who think "it's a part of growing up" keep letting people be terrorized and tortured.

You're dealing with primates who are expressing primate behavior, going after the "weakest" (or most obnoxious) member of the pack. Contrary to popular opinion, some children and teenagers are very much reptile-brain monsters. You should treat them as such. You'd be surprised how big of a 180 a bully who has had the shiat kicked out of him turns around. And don't believe the tripe about "they're just insecure people who have abusive parents" -- it's scientifically disproved (but it sounds oh so nice, they're really just little sweeties who need more love!). They're incredibly confident people who like to inflict suffering on others to establish their place in the hierarchy.

Except that, while it may not be the vast majority of bullies that are abused, the one time you get that kid, fighting him is going to make it 1,000,000,000 times worse for you. An abused child who physically lashes out and becomes a bully is doing so because they've been stripped of every bit of power in their own life by their abuser. In entering the "real world" and going to school, they are exposed to a world of people who do not have complete and utter power over them, as expressed by violence, as they've learned it. A bully like this won't listen to a teacher, because he knows that teacher is not going to beat him. He's had worse. And a bully like this whose victim fights back, particularly if the victim wins, will double down on his aggression because he has experienced a feeling of personal power for the first time in his life and he is going to fight tooth and nail not to have it ripped away from him again. But bullying varies in degree and motivations. Some of it is primate posturing, establishing a heirarchy, but in extreme cases, there usually IS more to it. Now, there are a multitude of other reasons this bully girl could have been acting out. Perhaps her parents are vehemently (and perhaps even violently) opposed to homosexuality. Perhaps she's trying to fit in and be popular. Perhaps it's a case of the "at least I'm not..."s, as I like to call it (classic example - the Ewells from To Kill A Mockingbird... well established to be the trashiest, most hated, bottom of the barrel people in town - but they were white, so the town still rallied behind them against the black guy). There are a million possible reasons for it, and no, fighting back will not always stop it. Finding out the bully's motivations would give you a chance at stopping it, but most teachers don't have the time (or even really care enough) to look that deeply. Besides, we don't live in a rehabilitative society, we live in a retributive society. If they do ANYTHING, it's just to say "detention" and feel their work is done, knowing full well it's not going to put a stop to the situation.


If you enter a situation with a bully where "fighting back" didn't solve it, you didn't fight back hard enough. Trust me, I've been there. I hate hurting people, it's no fun and eventually I have to fill out paperwork. I had to fight two bullies in my school career, one was a posturing ape, whom all that had to be done (after I got sick of his nonsense) was pinning him.

The second guy fit the abused kid profile, and while I did empathize with him, I knew he understood only one thing, which is what I had to resort to.

Now, to defray the psychotic vibe: I did not hunt these guys down. In fact, they targeted me for a few weeks/months (the second guy was after the smallest dude in our school) before I snapped, and of course nobody in school ever knew I had been trained.

I still don't like hurting the guy, but if you have someone who only understands one thing, the only way to teach him something different is through that preestablished channel.
 
2012-07-06 05:48:06 AM  
What's up with flaming gays, and flaming straights for that matter? Even leftards must admit that those people have some serious synaptic issues going on upstairs.
 
2012-07-06 06:00:26 AM  
It's weird the number of people on fark who think some nationalities are superior to others.

/sieg heil
 
2012-07-06 06:16:54 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: It's weird the number of people on fark who think some nationalities are superior to others.

/sieg heil


Actually, it's stupid, but not weird. It's pretty normal for humans to have an "us vs. them" mentality. There was a time when it served us as a species. Now it causes nothing but problems.
 
2012-07-06 06:21:23 AM  

Naesen: If you enter a situation with a bully where "fighting back" didn't solve it, you didn't fight back hard enough. Trust me, I've been there. I hate hurting people, it's no fun and eventually I have to fill out paperwork. I had to fight two bullies in my school career, one was a posturing ape, whom all that had to be done (after I got sick of his nonsense) was pinning him.

The second guy fit the abused kid profile, and while I did empathize with him, I knew he understood only one thing, which is what I had to resort to.

Now, to defray the psychotic vibe: I did not hunt these guys down. In fact, they targeted me for a few weeks/months (the second guy was after the smallest dude in our school) before I snapped, and of course nobody in school ever knew I had been trained.

I still don't like hurting the guy, but if you have someone who only understands one thing, the only way to teach him something different is through that preestablished channel.


I totally agree. While I lacked training, I faced my bullies and fought back, earning both their respect and warped friendship, which gave me an 'in' to modify their behavior. All three instances stopped their bullying ways shortly after our confrontation and subsequent conversations.

TFA reads, to me at least, as if the pliers-wielding psychopath was acting out some closet self-loathing. She felt attraction to the homosexual, but it was unrequited due to social or religious lines telling the bully "You. Shall. Not. Pass." when it came to accepting the attraction and approaching the lesbian with her feelings.
 
2012-07-06 06:22:51 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Modguy: Ergo, she deserved the pliers to the face.

You missed the part where I said that I didn't condone that behavior.


You're right, I did.

Time for more coffee.
 
2012-07-06 06:37:26 AM  

skinink: If you can't beat 'em, lick 'em!


*golf clap*
 
2012-07-06 06:41:05 AM  

Paris1127: Sweden? Are we talking about the one in Europe? I thought Sweden was supposed to be a progressive nation... Even their state church conducts same-sex marriages... Hopefully this case is an anomaly...


Well wasn't that recent massacre at some summer camp in Sweden?
 
2012-07-06 06:52:32 AM  
But isn't Europe, especially Scandinavia, the promised land, where everything is better than silly old America?
 
2012-07-06 06:53:04 AM  

orbister: The school says she needs to "tone down her sexuality". Isn't that also what they might say to a loutish jock who assumed that all girls wanted to have sex with him and got thumped by one for coming on too strong?


I don't think either one should be thumped. Unless they are breaking laws, such as public indecency, in which case the penalty provided by law should be applied.

If a straight person flaunts his sexuality to an unwelcome extent (but less than illegal), just laugh at him. Same goes for gays who flaunt their sexuality to an unwelcome extent, just laugh at them.

If they get tired of being socially ostracized and friendless they will modify their own behavior.
 
2012-07-06 07:01:40 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: It's weird the number of people on fark who think some nationalities are superior to others.

/sieg heil


Well, I think we can all agree that the fine specimen of humanity that is the British Commonwealth citizen is far superor to those damned, dirty Danes. Can't we, old chap?

Unless...you're a damned dirty dane....
 
2012-07-06 07:08:01 AM  
stop acting like fighting back is a solution. some people are much smaller than their attackers. should they grab a weapon? and once a weapon is involved, even kids get in trouble.
why does it have to come to that? why is it no big deal when kids beat on each other, but when adults do it, it's assault and open to prosecution and lawsuits?
 
2012-07-06 07:08:31 AM  

svenge: Twitch Boy: Just a matter of time until some GLBT person decides he better start carrying, gets attacked by some idiot, and decides to stand his ground.

You'll see every Republican head do a complete 360.

Really? This Republican would say that the hypothetical attacker would have it coming. To borrow from the "egg-shell rule" of jurisprudence, "You take your victim as you find him". If you attack someone who's packing, you get what you deserve.

One of the keystones of a livable society is that people don't go around physically attacking people in public for no valid reason. And no, being gay doesn't qualify as such (even if he flirts with you in front of your friends). Any reasonable person (regardless on their views on GLBTetc issues) should be in agreement with that.


A reasonable republican is kind of like Bigfoot in the current political landscape.....we keep HEARING they exist, but...........
 
2012-07-06 07:10:27 AM  

BronyMedic: Well, I think we can all agree that the fine specimen of humanity that is the British Commonwealth citizen is far superor to those damned, dirty Danes. Can't we, old chap?


I had assumed that goes without saying. I was speaking of the brutes in the savage territories outside her majesty's kingdom.
 
2012-07-06 07:14:08 AM  
Teenagers and school administrators seem to be arseholes in every country.
 
2012-07-06 07:16:19 AM  
I find this thread's lack of pictures disturbing. We need to know what teenage Swedish lesbians might look like.
 
2012-07-06 07:24:36 AM  
They can't FAP to that!
www.fohguild.org
 
2012-07-06 07:25:25 AM  
Ah, the gay card. Get out of jail free.
 
2012-07-06 07:28:05 AM  
Wah. Next time, fight back, problem solved. Christ, we are done as a society when kids can't even protect themselves.
 
2012-07-06 07:43:18 AM  

RexTalionis: "I don't care who he gets so long as I can have a go at the Greeks. They
invented gayness!"
- Mrs. Carberry, Father Ted


hairy japanese bastards
 
2012-07-06 07:45:40 AM  

Molavian: Ah, the gay card. Get out of jail free.


Like the Christian card.
Like the middle class white male card.
Like the family values card.

Do you have your get farked card?
 
2012-07-06 07:54:36 AM  

jodaveki: Molavian: Ah, the gay card. Get out of jail free.

Like the Christian card.
Like the middle class white male card.
Like the family values card.

Do you have your get farked card?


All those cards work against you. Gay card gets you free stuff and special treatment, the others get you in trouble.
 
2012-07-06 07:58:29 AM  
why show off to the world that you're sexual before you even reach the AGE of consent??
this screws with the heads of lesbian pedo bears everywhere.
 
2012-07-06 08:02:28 AM  

Thunderpipes: jodaveki: Molavian: Ah, the gay card. Get out of jail free.

Like the Christian card.
Like the middle class white male card.
Like the family values card.

Do you have your get farked card?

All those cards work against you. Gay card gets you free stuff and special treatment, the others get you in trouble.


Ooooohhhhhhh... I thought we were comparing pity-party cards that invite PLIERS TO THE FACE.
 
2012-07-06 08:07:55 AM  
To get at the meat of this situation, just change "gay" to "nerdy" or "black". Would it be okay to assault someone with pliers because they were super-duper geeky or really really black?
 
2012-07-06 08:10:58 AM  
Welcome to life, being different makes you hated. The world isn't going to change just because feel bad
 
2012-07-06 08:11:53 AM  

ChaoticLimbs: To get at the meat of this situation, just change "gay" to "nerdy" or "black". Would it be okay to assault someone with pliers because they were super-duper geeky or really really black?


Well, maybe just mocha colored.
 
2012-07-06 08:14:22 AM  

ChaoticLimbs: To get at the meat of this situation, just change "gay" to "nerdy" or "black". Would it be okay to assault someone with pliers because they were super-duper geeky or really really black?


but gay people can't change to being straight. unlike straight people who still have souls
 
2012-07-06 08:32:01 AM  
being bullied is not (despite YouTube opinion) an exclusively gay issue. It's not a new issue. It's not a simple issue.

It's widespread, it's mechanics are not well understood by anyone and it's not given a great deal of serious thought by many individuals.

If you haven't dealt with it on a personal level then this is one instance you should shut your mouth and keep your opinion to yourself.
 
2012-07-06 08:40:00 AM  

Marcintosh: being bullied is not (despite YouTube opinion) an exclusively gay issue. It's not a new issue. It's not a simple issue.

It's widespread, it's mechanics are not well understood by anyone and it's not given a great deal of serious thought by many individuals.

If you haven't dealt with it on a personal level then this is one instance you should shut your mouth and keep your opinion to yourself.


So exclude the "gay issue" from consideration. Since when is it the bullying the victim's fault?
 
2012-07-06 08:42:52 AM  
Swedish men have uncut penises.
 
2012-07-06 08:49:39 AM  
An assault that was severe enough to cause a head fracture and they're letting the assailant off the hook? The fark???
 
2012-07-06 08:52:10 AM  
yeah.


Whenever I am "confused" I have to victimize someone in order to make it better.


I used to think bullies were spineless,sociopathic assholes who delight in causing unnecessary sufferring.


Turns out they are just confused.
 
2012-07-06 09:04:49 AM  
Happened to run across this in college, was worth the watch. As someone said above, good coming of age story.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150662/
 
2012-07-06 09:06:06 AM  

Marcintosh: being bullied is not (despite YouTube opinion) an exclusively gay issue. It's not a new issue. It's not a simple issue.

It's widespread, it's mechanics are not well understood by anyone and it's not given a great deal of serious thought by many individuals.

If you haven't dealt with it on a personal level then this is one instance you should shut your mouth and keep your opinion to yourself.


I've dealt with it. You know what, nearly everyone who bullied me in middle school turned out to be a loser only fit for scraping shingles off of roofs.
Now that I look back, I'm pretty sure it's because they were idiotic, ignorant losers who hated everyone and everything, and so they hurt people. Society gave them just one opportunity to be on top and they took it, but it was their only shot, their glory days. Now it's all drudgery and they're on the bottom. I wish I could feel some schadenfreude about it, but it just makes me sad to know that they never stood a chance. The ignorance and stupidity was probably due to a poor home culture and maybe even unsuitable genetics. In all likelihood, the kids who bullied me were just disadvantaged and suffered as much or more during those years than I did. Yet, I still think schools should have no tolerance for those who perform violence on others as a display of dominance. That crap has to be stamped out. You can't save the individuals who are doing it but you can save everyone else from having to stew in the world they create.
 
2012-07-06 09:14:42 AM  

Thisbymaster: Welcome to life, being different makes you hated. The world isn't going to change just because feel bad


Nobody would tolerate an office worker attacking her colleague with pliers for a second. Why the hell should children get less protection and support than adults?
 
2012-07-06 09:16:36 AM  
bullying isn't real. it's a gay play that's required to show everyone how much we love one another
 
2012-07-06 09:16:43 AM  
FTFA: '"She threatened to shove pliers into my eyes and then she took hold of the pliers and delivered three hefty hits against my temples and the area close to my eyes," the girl wrote in the report. '

Isn't lesbian foreplay just darling?
 
2012-07-06 09:31:16 AM  

Radioactive Ass: I'm willing to bet that her being a lesbian was secondary to how she presented herself in general. If she was a general pain in the ass to the rest of the students it wouldn't matter if she was a virgin, a raging slut who blew the entire skiing team or a lesbian, she's going to attract unwanted attention. The response by the school indicates to me that she was an overall problem student with previous behavior issues who also happened to be gay. This is no different than someone trying to play the race card even though their race had nothing to do with an incident.


So bullying is okay.
 
2012-07-06 09:41:40 AM  

BronyMedic: Oh, come on. This school was absolutely pertinent in telling this one, sinful, little antagonistic witch that her lifestyle choice to be gay was absolutely wrong in the eyes of both man and God. Were she to stop being so selfish with her life choices and trying to force her gayness onto her peers, she would probibly get along better.

The bible, the infallable word of God from which every normal and moral person on earth draws their life principals from, is VERY CLEAR on what should happen to those who make the sinful choice to fornicate with those of the same sex. Leviticus 18:22. They should let them beat her up. Relentlessly.

/:)


At least read the article before trolling poorly.
 
2012-07-06 09:41:44 AM  
One-hundred-forty-some comments in, and no pictures yet of what Swedish teenage lesbians may look like?!? WTFark?
 
2012-07-06 10:00:31 AM  
That's not how you spell "excited and aroused".
 
2012-07-06 10:01:01 AM  

Twitch Boy: Just a matter of time until some GLBT person decides he better start carrying, gets attacked by some idiot, and decides to stand his ground.

You'll see every Republican head do a complete 360.


One can only hope....


/twisted
 
2012-07-06 10:04:53 AM  

DarwinFan: One-hundred-forty-some comments in, and no pictures yet of what Swedish teenage lesbians may look like?!? WTFark?


GIS is surprisingly disappointing on that search.
 
2012-07-06 10:25:05 AM  
Teachers at the school were unhelpful when she raised the matter with them, telling the girl to "tone down" her sexuality as other students were "confused and scared" by it.


ROFL
 
2012-07-06 10:34:28 AM  
Useless without pics. I need to judge whether or not she is hot enough to care about.
 
2012-07-06 10:35:12 AM  
I see the derp comments aren't confined to the Swedish news site.
 
2012-07-06 10:38:13 AM  
So let me get this straight, a thread about Swedish lesbians and not a single fap worthy picture. Shame on you fark. Shame!
 
2012-07-06 10:42:15 AM  

limeyfellow: So let me get this straight, a thread about Swedish lesbians and not a single fap worthy picture. Shame on you fark. Shame!


I've never seen anything about real lesbians that is fap worthy, Swedish or otherwise. You've been watching too much girl-on-girl fantasy porn on the intertubes.
 
2012-07-06 10:45:12 AM  

JackieRabbit: limeyfellow: So let me get this straight, a thread about Swedish lesbians and not a single fap worthy picture. Shame on you fark. Shame!

I've never seen anything about real lesbians that is fap worthy, Swedish or otherwise. You've been watching too much girl-on-girl fantasy porn on the intertubes.


You're just not looking hard enough.
 
2012-07-06 11:01:05 AM  
A lot of uproar over nothing.
It's a fad. She'll grow out of it, like most teenage "lesbians"
 
2012-07-06 11:02:59 AM  

cherrydog: wow you seem to know a lot about this girl. i'm sure it's not baseless "blame the victim" speculatiom.


Speaking of which, is there a more pithy term than for blame-the-victim than "blame-the-victim"? There's a whole lot of these farkers on Fark and I'd like a shorter tag because favoriting only allows for so many characters.
 
2012-07-06 11:09:36 AM  

ciberido: cherrydog: wow you seem to know a lot about this girl. i'm sure it's not baseless "blame the victim" speculatiom.

Speaking of which, is there a more pithy term than for blame-the-victim than "blame-the-victim"? There's a whole lot of these farkers on Fark and I'd like a shorter tag because favoriting only allows for so many characters.


how about "release the gay"
 
2012-07-06 11:14:03 AM  

BronyMedic: Oh, come on. This school was absolutely pertinent in telling this one, sinful, little antagonistic witch that her lifestyle choice to be gay was absolutely wrong in the eyes of both man and God. Were she to stop being so selfish with her life choices and trying to force her gayness onto her peers, she would probibly get along better.

The bible, the infallable word of God from which every normal and moral person on earth draws their life principals from, is VERY CLEAR on what should happen to those who make the sinful choice to fornicate with those of the same sex. Leviticus 18:22. They should let them beat her up. Relentlessly.

/:)


You're trying too hard.
 
2012-07-06 11:19:14 AM  

Radioactive Ass: I'm willing to bet that her being a lesbian was secondary to how she presented herself in general. If she was a general pain in the ass to the rest of the students it wouldn't matter if she was a virgin, a raging slut who blew the entire skiing team or a lesbian, she's going to attract unwanted attention. The response by the school indicates to me that she was an overall problem student with previous behavior issues who also happened to be gay. This is no different than someone trying to play the race card even though their race had nothing to do with an incident.


It's not just that you are blaming the victim or lacking in compassion. It's also that you're mistaken. While it is true that bullies tend to target people who are "odd" or different (including being lbgtq), that's only one of several factors. Bullies also often target victims who appear to be physically weak or unlikely to fight back. So what's you're advice in that case? "Stop being lesbian AND take martial arts classes"? "Grow taller"?

"Stop lacking social skills" maybe?
 
2012-07-06 11:22:31 AM  
10 years ago back when I was in high school, we had a group of LGBT students form a GSA. These kids by and large were "professional victims."

They would "protest" in rather inflammatory ways, one such tactic was quite common and pissed off the student body and administrators quite a bit, they would make out with each other in the main quad. And if anyone asked them to stop, oh shiat you got an earful of: "ZOMFG, YOU ARE HATING ON US GAY STUDENTS,WHARRGARBL!1111!" The school administrators then for the remainder of the year put a ban on PDA.

Another thing they would do would be to plan a "tolerance meeting" or some other silly name adjacent to the school flagpole on the same day as the Christian "See You at the Pole" national prayer day, then claim they were victims of being hated on by the praying Christians after shouting hateful things at the Christian kids...all the Christian kids were simply praying for them.

There was one notorious guy who would make disgusting sexual comments/borderline advances on the jockiest of the jocks and inevitably he would get his ass kicked. He would say things like "oh I know you want to fark me, etc." He would leave little "love notes" in guys lockers describing in graphic detail what he wanted to do with them then draw dicks all over the letter. He was a problem for the administration. He was eventually moved to another school...as for the people that kicked his ass, they got a slap on the wrist.

So my experience with homosexual high school students is that they basically they would go out of their way to flaunt their homosexuality, to the point that it really affected the other students then claim to be a victim of persecution when anyone pushed back/didn't agree with them. I am not saying that this is necessarily the case here with this girl, but the brevity of the article and its lack of additional information causes me to think that there is a lot more to this story than what is being presented.
 
2012-07-06 11:26:14 AM  

Twitch Boy: Just a matter of time until some GLBT person decides he better start carrying, gets attacked by some idiot, and decides to stand his ground.

You'll see every Republican head do a complete 360


I know it is a little late in the game to ask this, but don't you mean "180"?
 
2012-07-06 11:27:33 AM  

Twitch Boy: Just a matter of time until some GLBT person decides he better start carrying, gets attacked by some idiot, and decides to stand his ground.

You'll see every Republican head do a complete 360.


In Chicago at least, they called themselve "The Pink Pistols" and they made a point of patrolling the area around North Halstead whenever there a was a reported "gay bashing".
 
2012-07-06 11:28:51 AM  

Endive Wombat: 10 years ago back when I was in high school, we had a group of LGBT students form a GSA. These kids by and large were "professional victims."

They would "protest" in rather inflammatory ways, one such tactic was quite common and pissed off the student body and administrators quite a bit, they would make out with each other in the main quad. And if anyone asked them to stop, oh shiat you got an earful of: "ZOMFG, YOU ARE HATING ON US GAY STUDENTS,WHARRGARBL!1111!" The school administrators then for the remainder of the year put a ban on PDA.

Another thing they would do would be to plan a "tolerance meeting" or some other silly name adjacent to the school flagpole on the same day as the Christian "See You at the Pole" national prayer day, then claim they were victims of being hated on by the praying Christians after shouting hateful things at the Christian kids...all the Christian kids were simply praying for them.

There was one notorious guy who would make disgusting sexual comments/borderline advances on the jockiest of the jocks and inevitably he would get his ass kicked. He would say things like "oh I know you want to fark me, etc." He would leave little "love notes" in guys lockers describing in graphic detail what he wanted to do with them then draw dicks all over the letter. He was a problem for the administration. He was eventually moved to another school...as for the people that kicked his ass, they got a slap on the wrist.

So my experience with homosexual high school students is that they basically they would go out of their way to flaunt their homosexuality, to the point that it really affected the other students then claim to be a victim of persecution when anyone pushed back/didn't agree with them. I am not saying that this is necessarily the case here with this girl, but the brevity of the article and its lack of additional information causes me to think that there is a lot more to this story than what is being presented.


So naturally you were fully justified when you cornered them and fractured their skulls.
 
2012-07-06 11:30:00 AM  

Endive Wombat: 10 years ago back when I was in high school, we had a group of LGBT students form a GSA. These kids by and large were "professional victims."

They would "protest" in rather inflammatory ways, one such tactic was quite common and pissed off the student body and administrators quite a bit, they would make out with each other in the main quad. And if anyone asked them to stop, oh shiat you got an earful of: "ZOMFG, YOU ARE HATING ON US GAY STUDENTS,WHARRGARBL!1111!" The school administrators then for the remainder of the year put a ban on PDA.

Another thing they would do would be to plan a "tolerance meeting" or some other silly name adjacent to the school flagpole on the same day as the Christian "See You at the Pole" national prayer day, then claim they were victims of being hated on by the praying Christians after shouting hateful things at the Christian kids...all the Christian kids were simply praying for them.

There was one notorious guy who would make disgusting sexual comments/borderline advances on the jockiest of the jocks and inevitably he would get his ass kicked. He would say things like "oh I know you want to fark me, etc." He would leave little "love notes" in guys lockers describing in graphic detail what he wanted to do with them then draw dicks all over the letter. He was a problem for the administration. He was eventually moved to another school...as for the people that kicked his ass, they got a slap on the wrist.

So my experience with homosexual high school students is that they basically they would go out of their way to flaunt their homosexuality, to the point that it really affected the other students then claim to be a victim of persecution when anyone pushed back/didn't agree with them. I am not saying that this is necessarily the case here with this girl, but the brevity of the article and its lack of additional information causes me to think that there is a lot more to this story than what is being presented.


Wow, things change fast. I was in high school a little more than 10 years ago. The gay friends I had really did get a hard time. It wasn't until my senior year did they start getting some support.
 
2012-07-06 11:35:43 AM  

MoronLessOff: Wow, things change fast. I was in high school a little more than 10 years ago. The gay friends I had really did get a hard time. It wasn't until my senior year did they start getting some support.


I grew up in Republican Orange County, CA. It was a strange place.
 
2012-07-06 11:37:51 AM  

Babwa Wawa: So naturally you were fully justified when you cornered them and fractured their skulls.


notsureifserious.jpg

No, that is not at all what I am saying. I was just pointing out anecdotally that there has got to be a lot more to this story than what is being presented to us.
 
2012-07-06 12:05:54 PM  

Endive Wombat: No, that is not at all what I am saying. I was just pointing out anecdotally that there has got to be a lot more to this story than what is being presented to us.


No, there doesn't have to be a lot more to this story than what's being presented to us. Could there be more? Sure. But based on the material in TFA, it would be inappropriate to assign blame to the victim, no matter how attention-seeking and flamboyant you've witnessed other homosexuals to be.

There's a girl here with a fractured skull. Assault and battery is assault and battery, and you don't tell the victim that she brought it on herself.
 
2012-07-06 01:22:14 PM  
Was this the bullied kid?

s3.amazonaws.com

Damn those Swedish bullies!
 
2012-07-06 01:23:26 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Gimmick: In the absence of any collaborating evidence, I find that difficult to believe. Teenagers (kids in general, really) are notorious for being full of shiat, and that is quite an incredible story. I simply cannot imagine teachers and principals apathetically looking on while their students beat one another with tools.

Sadly, I have no problem imagining that at all. Far too many teachers just do not give a shiat about their students. All is well as long as the monthly paychecks are on time and nobody disturbs their coffee breaks.


Sorry, but I am still doubting the credibility of this story. If I were a gay person that got a skull fracture from a bully at school, here is how I think it would play out:

I would go to a teacher, and tell them about my fracture with the expectation that my assailant would be suspended if not expelled. If the teacher told me to be less gay or some other ridiculous thing, I would go to a different teacher and administrator until I found someone that would help.

For the sake of this hypothetical, let's say none of employees at my school cared about my plight. It wouldn't really matter. When I came home from school with my skull fracture, my parents would create an epic shiat storm that would force the school into action.

Again for the sake of the hypothetical, we'll pretend my parents didn't care that I was being assaulted at school. At some point, I'd have to go to the hospital, and a doctor would inevitably ask how I got my skull fracture. If my answer was "I was beaten with a pair of pliers", that doctor would start asking a lot questions, and those questions would lead to the doctor calling the police...

All in all, it is just easier for me to believe the kid is lying or at least exaggerating than it is for me to believe that nobody cares when Swedish kids are beaten with tools. And, it doesn't help that the story is missing some key elements that I would expect if the story were true like outraged parents, pictures of the girl from when she was beaten, or any collaborating evidence or witnesses whatsoever.
 
2012-07-06 02:53:34 PM  

Babwa Wawa: When I see two girls together, I think "Whoa! What's going on? How can they have sex? I don't understand!" You see, their sexuality frightens and confuses me because I'm a caveman who was frozen in the ice one hundred thousand years ago - that's the way I think. But I DO know that it's wrong. It's wrong in a sexy, sexy way.


Came here for Unfrozen Cave man lawyer, leaving satisfied.
 
2012-07-06 04:01:15 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: Countries can be progressive and still contain backward-thinking individuals. I'm thinking this is a case of that.


I learned that when I went to the Netherlands. Given Amsterdam, I thought that all of the Dutch were pretty far out on the progressive front. I had no idea that the rural areas basically had a Bible Belt of their own. (Which is part of the reason that Amsterdam is now being forced to limit drug sales to locals.)
 
2012-07-06 06:46:37 PM  
NOOOOOOO. NOT TOKI!
 
2012-07-06 06:51:24 PM  
bookman: You're trying too hard.

It was burying Poe's Law in it, wasn't it?
 
2012-07-06 06:58:24 PM  
Was hoping for bp0.blogger.com
 
2012-07-06 07:13:20 PM  
orbister: The school says she needs to "tone down her sexuality". Isn't that also what they might say to a loutish jock who assumed that all girls wanted to have sex with him and got thumped by one for coming on too strong?

Uh, I dealt with guys like that growing up. I never threatened to gouge their eyes out or hit them so hard with a pair of pliers that I cracked their skulls. I'd have ended up in juvie and rightfully so.

/though it would have been satisfying
 
2012-07-06 10:26:21 PM  
FTA: "You're the one to blame. It was your own fault. You provoked her," adding that she should have "just hit back."

Hey, that's a great idea! Only it wasn't a shoving match or a fist-fight, someone threatened to take out her eyes with pliers and then beat her repeatedly in the temples with them (which is potentially life-threatening). So what's an appropriate level of response to that? Maybe come to school with a machete the next day? And would it be acceptable to threaten them with death, blindness, or castration first? Also how bad would the machete wounds have to be before the faculty decides this isn't such a great idea after all?

Hmm. This school "policy" has the makings of a great sci-fi post-apocalytpic bloodsport movie. Sort-of a The Warriors meets A Clockwork Orange meets Battle Royale. Where students threaten other students and "severely mistreatment" them.
 
2012-07-06 10:30:09 PM  
"A school in southern Sweden.."

So, the South is shiatty and homophobic in all countries, then?
 
2012-07-07 12:20:18 AM  

swingerofbirches: farking Åmål


Cute movie. Reminds me a bit of The Incredibly True Adventures of Two Girls In Love (which came out three years earlier in the U.S.), especially the ending.
 
2012-07-07 05:00:20 AM  

Gimmick: I would go to a teacher, and tell them about my fracture with the expectation that my assailant would be suspended if not expelled. If the teacher told me to be less gay or some other ridiculous thing, I would go to a different teacher and administrator until I found someone that would help.


There was an incident a few years ago (in northern Norway, hillbilly land) where two bullies broke the arm of an eight year old kid. They had been harassing him for some time. The reaction of the teachers?

The kid with the broken arm got moved to a new school (which was faar away) while the two bullies got nothing. The school justified this with "the two kids were undoubtably so mortified that no further reaction is needed."

The end.
 
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