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(WTOP)   As thousands in Maryland enter their second week without power, energy company PEPCO just goes ahead and admits that people need to call "at least three or four times a day to report outages" if they're ever going to get attention   (wtop.com) divider line 153
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2012-07-05 01:59:36 PM
I got my power back on yesterday, it had been off since Friday night.

I think people need to stop complaining. The crews are working hard, its 97 degrees outside, and they needed to take care of hospitals and nursing homes first.
 
2012-07-05 02:07:23 PM
PEPCO is one of the worst companies I've ever dealt with. We used to have 4-5 days of outages every summer.
 
2012-07-05 02:14:00 PM

vernonFL: I got my power back on yesterday, it had been off since Friday night.

I think people need to stop complaining. The crews are working hard, its 97 degrees outside, and they needed to take care of hospitals and nursing homes first.


They already took care of the hospitals and nursing homes.

What they need to do is bury the goddamn power lines. Dominion Power actually has a report linked off the front of their page explaining how they think it's prohibitively expensive to do so, all without mentioning that they've sent more money than that to their shareholders in the past 20 years.
 
2012-07-05 02:16:53 PM

Lsherm: vernonFL: I got my power back on yesterday, it had been off since Friday night.

I think people need to stop complaining. The crews are working hard, its 97 degrees outside, and they needed to take care of hospitals and nursing homes first.

They already took care of the hospitals and nursing homes.

What they need to do is bury the goddamn power lines. Dominion Power actually has a report linked off the front of their page explaining how they think it's prohibitively expensive to do so, all without mentioning that they've sent more money than that to their shareholders in the past 20 years.


An expense equal to 20 years worth of profits actually does sound prohibitively expensive.....
 
2012-07-05 02:29:54 PM
"I will do my best to legalize a program by which one randomly chosen senior PEPCO executive per year is hunted and killed in a public spectacle" would be the only policy plank any politician running for election in Maryland would ever need.
 
2012-07-05 02:55:45 PM

NickelP: Lsherm: vernonFL: I got my power back on yesterday, it had been off since Friday night.

I think people need to stop complaining. The crews are working hard, its 97 degrees outside, and they needed to take care of hospitals and nursing homes first.

They already took care of the hospitals and nursing homes.

What they need to do is bury the goddamn power lines. Dominion Power actually has a report linked off the front of their page explaining how they think it's prohibitively expensive to do so, all without mentioning that they've sent more money than that to their shareholders in the past 20 years.

An expense equal to 20 years worth of profits actually does sound prohibitively expensive.....


It's easier to stomach if you spread it out over, say 40 years. They could do it incrementally. Every power company in the US has a monopoly, it's not like they'll suddenly go out of business.
 
2012-07-05 02:59:09 PM
Dominion Power FTW (relatively speaking)
 
2012-07-05 03:27:38 PM

SurfaceTension: Dominion Power FTW (relatively speaking)


At least you only have to call once to report an outage. People in Pepco's service area say that every time they call, Pepco seems to have no record of the outage ever being reported. It's really not helping Pepco in that every time there has been an extended outage in the past 5 years, they've said they would fix the infrastructure, and they haven't done anything.

Dominion was also very good about keeping the lines of communication open as to where they were working, how they decided what to do first, and the like.

/got lucky, only dark for 5 hours
 
2012-07-05 03:33:46 PM

Lsherm: NickelP: Lsherm: vernonFL: I got my power back on yesterday, it had been off since Friday night.

I think people need to stop complaining. The crews are working hard, its 97 degrees outside, and they needed to take care of hospitals and nursing homes first.

They already took care of the hospitals and nursing homes.

What they need to do is bury the goddamn power lines. Dominion Power actually has a report linked off the front of their page explaining how they think it's prohibitively expensive to do so, all without mentioning that they've sent more money than that to their shareholders in the past 20 years.

An expense equal to 20 years worth of profits actually does sound prohibitively expensive.....

It's easier to stomach if you spread it out over, say 40 years. They could do it incrementally. Every power company in the US has a monopoly, it's not like they'll suddenly go out of business.


I'm not really familiar with Pepco but a lot of these companies have profit margins set by law. So the problem may be that they would be forced to pass that cost on to the consumer.
 
2012-07-05 03:36:15 PM

SurfaceTension: Dominion Power FTW (relatively speaking)


Oh fark them, too. I'm on Dominion. At least they are getting better, but week-long outages aren't unheard of the more rural you get. I can accept longer outages, but until last year after Irene, Dominion wasn't any better about tracking outages than Pepco was. In 2006 I lost power for 11 days and starting on day 5, they called me to tell me my power was back on. I would call again to report that no, it wasn't on, and they would call me back (automated recording) to tell me my power was on. We ended up flagging down a repair truck to tell them that no, those two houses at the end of the ten mile road still didn't have power. We did the same thing in 2009 when we lost power for 8 days after a snowstorm.

When Irene came through we didn't have power for 13 days, but they had a repair schedule up by the second day. That was a change, and a fairly impressive one. At least you can plan if there's a repair schedule.
 
2012-07-05 03:40:57 PM

pisceandreamer: SurfaceTension: Dominion Power FTW (relatively speaking)

At least you only have to call once to report an outage. People in Pepco's service area say that every time they call, Pepco seems to have no record of the outage ever being reported. It's really not helping Pepco in that every time there has been an extended outage in the past 5 years, they've said they would fix the infrastructure, and they haven't done anything.

Dominion was also very good about keeping the lines of communication open as to where they were working, how they decided what to do first, and the like.

/got lucky, only dark for 5 hours


I got very lucky. Lights flickered and that was it. North, south, and west of me was dark.
 
2012-07-05 03:49:56 PM
Lost mine on Friday night, got it back on Tuesday afternoon. Pepco's response has been dismal and I hope the leadership falls out of a cherry picker... but Vince Gray can go suck a cock for calling them out in the middle of this clusterfark. It's not their fault the derecho turned Montgomery County into Fallujah.
 
2012-07-05 04:06:51 PM

CPT Ethanolic: PEPCO is one of the worst companies I've ever dealt with. We used to have 4-5 days of outages every summer.


Did you hear about the 15-year-old boy on a bike who was almost beheaded by a downed power line draped across the street? When his father called PEPCO they said they couldn't do anything unless he gave them the account number of the person who lives closest to the downed line. How would he know this information? He then found out the downed wire had been reported to PEPCO on Saturday and the ticket had been closed out on Monday, without a repair. To add insult to injury PEPCO then told him to get a lawyer if he didn't like their response. Worst. Electric Company. EVER!

/Thank God my lines are buried....and I don't live in Maryland.
 
2012-07-05 04:27:29 PM
I bought an ice cream cake yesterday to celebrate the emptying of the freezer and the return of electricity.

My power just went out again.

Death to Pepco.
 
2012-07-05 04:32:06 PM
having lived through Betsy, Camille, Fred, Katrina, Rita and others, I am getting a kick out of the outrage from the people without power. When you are without power for about 6 weeks, then I will have sympathy for you.

Regarding the above posts for underground lines, substations are above ground and fail often.

Are you really wanting pad mounted transformers in your yard so that the Friday night drunk can take it out in their F150?

Are you willing to pay the price for all the permits required for construction? Ever hear of a SWPPP? Guys like me would love to prepare one for power relocates.

And when they do their river crossings and find a pottery shard, wait and see how many weeks/months you delay your project while the state archeologists evaluates your project.

Now imagine doing it for an entire power grid.
 
2012-07-05 04:53:05 PM
Eh, still about 100 times faster than if it was run by government.
 
2012-07-05 04:54:34 PM

FishyFred: I bought an ice cream cake yesterday to celebrate the emptying of the freezer and the return of electricity.

My power just went out again.

Death to Pepco.


That's on you for tempting fate. If you want your power to never go out again, buy a generator. The more expensive, the better.
 
2012-07-05 04:55:05 PM
I have this feeling that I'm going to be sharing "Boy, the late 20th Century was weird, because..." stories with my future granchildren, and one of the stories is going to be "we always had power. If we lost power, it was back on within a few hours. We couldn't even comprehend a city without electricity."
 
2012-07-05 04:55:05 PM
Or then you get all of the power lines buried and then you have an earthquake. Oops, now we have to dig everything back up.
 
2012-07-05 04:55:21 PM
Manny, Moe and Jack are sure falling down on the job...
 
2012-07-05 04:55:34 PM
SMECO had the power up the next morning. PEPCO sucks.
 
2012-07-05 04:56:09 PM
Bet those preppers with generators are looking a bit less crazy in week 2.
 
2012-07-05 04:56:24 PM
The hell is an outage? Is it what I think it is? Your left without power for long periods of time? The hell is with that, why would you let that continue to happen?
 
2012-07-05 04:56:30 PM
This wouldn't happen if Coke were running things.
 
2012-07-05 04:57:12 PM
Power companies are right up there with tow companies as being some of the worst in the world. Massachusetts is no better than any other state. After the freak snowstorm in October, we were out for a week. The main road that I lived off of however was back within 2 days or so. Then a short road perpendicular to mine was up 3 days after that. The expected recovery time for my street changed several times, up to over a week since I lost power. I just ended up flagging down a guy that worked for the power company that happened to be picking up his laundry at a laundromat at the end of my road. He had the street back up within 20 minutes. I bought him a sixer.
 
2012-07-05 04:57:13 PM
Cry me a river, I was out of power for 2 weeks after Ike.

You don't like it, go buy an emergency propane generator for 3 or 4 grand.
 
2012-07-05 04:57:27 PM
It's gonna cost like $110 a month per electric bill over 20 years to migrate underground, or so I read an article yesterday saying.
 
2012-07-05 04:57:41 PM
Good luck to you guys down there. Hopefully you have generators to run your A/C units. If not, and you can't find any in stores, order them from Amazon.com. Did that when New England and the Mid Atlantic region lost power from that snowstorm in October to run heat and lights up here, and since I have an Amazon Prime account, I had a 2KW generator delivered to me UPS Next Day for $3.99.
 
2012-07-05 04:58:02 PM
PEPCO...wasn't that a building you could go into in one of the Fallout games?
 
2012-07-05 04:59:31 PM
Five years ago I was contemplating a whole-house NG generator with automatic switching because my power was going out so often. Any time a thunderstorm came through there was about a 50/50 chance of losing power. And this is the Midwest. We kinda get a lot of thunderstorms. Then we got hit by a reakkt nasty storm that wiped out power everywhere and everyone said "enough!" To their credit AmerenUE did respond to the criticism, and power has been substantially more reliable lately. I think I've had one outage in the past two years, and it was less than 12 hours.
 
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2012-07-05 04:59:57 PM
PEPCO, we'll piss on your leg, tell you it is raining, and charge you for the privilege.
Link
 
2012-07-05 05:00:08 PM
Power came back on Wednesday morning. I made no calls and just relaxed at home reading a few books while it was out.

Battery powered fan
Battery powered led flashlight
water was still running (although warm, but better than nothing)
Cell Phone for updating my fantasy baseball lineup

I was good to go.

I'm glad it's back on though. A few more days without power and I may have had to socialize with actual people. It would have been a fate worse than death (well I did wind up going to my neighbor's cookout on Sunday, but the whole purpose of that was to get rid of all of the food before it spoiled. No socializing needed. Just eat and go)
 
2012-07-05 05:01:13 PM

Walker: Did you hear about the 15-year-old boy on a bike who was almost beheaded by a downed power line draped across the street?


He must have been peddling pretty fast...
 
2012-07-05 05:01:29 PM

Jument: That's on you for tempting fate.


Bullshiat. Two other people told me their power came back on and went out after, so I specifically waited a full day before buying anything perishable. I didn't tempt shiat.

If you want your power to never go out again, buy a generator. The more expensive, the better.

I currently rent, so I can't do that, but I almost certainly will if I ever own a house.
 
2012-07-05 05:01:48 PM
A lot of the outages are because of things like this:

t1.gstatic.com

This is not an easy fix.
 
2012-07-05 05:02:10 PM

Rurouni: PEPCO...wasn't that a building you could go into in one of the Fallout games?


Well it was set in DC so probably.

I haven't heard about any deaths caused by the heat. Does Maryland have the situation under good-enough control to prevent the elderly from dying from this, or do we just not have enough information yet? When this thing knocked out the power and I saw the forecast, my first thought was that many people were going to die.

/certainly hope I was wrong about that
//just haven't heard anything one way or the other
 
2012-07-05 05:02:43 PM
We didn't have power for 15 days following the 2011 October 31st snowstorm in the NE.
 
2012-07-05 05:02:43 PM
The Fark Pepco song Link (NSFW audio)
 
2012-07-05 05:04:34 PM
There were neighborhoods in Houston that were without power for 2 weeks after Hurricane Ike, so quit yer biatchin'.

Link
 
2012-07-05 05:04:41 PM
Wow. A privately owned and operated company has failed to provide services in an efficient and effective manor?

One can only imagine the Fox news headlines if this were a government agency.

The 'Inconvenient Truth' is that any large bureaucracy can suffer these sorts of problems. It doesn't matter if it's public, private, government, socialized, communist or capitalist. Large organizations are - by their nature, damned hard to maintain in an efficient manor.

There are efficient government agencies, and inefficient ones. There are efficient massive corporate blobs, and - as in this case, very inefficient ones.
 
2012-07-05 05:04:49 PM

Walker: CPT Ethanolic: PEPCO is one of the worst companies I've ever dealt with. We used to have 4-5 days of outages every summer.

Did you hear about the 15-year-old boy on a bike who was almost beheaded by a downed power line draped across the street? When his father called PEPCO they said they couldn't do anything unless he gave them the account number of the person who lives closest to the downed line. How would he know this information? He then found out the downed wire had been reported to PEPCO on Saturday and the ticket had been closed out on Monday, without a repair. To add insult to injury PEPCO then told him to get a lawyer if he didn't like their response. Worst. Electric Company. EVER!

/Thank God my lines are buried....and I don't live in Maryland.


What kind of parents let their retarded kid go out and play in the street when there's power lines down all over the place?
 
2012-07-05 05:04:54 PM
I was actually suprised I only lost power for 30 min. I think people in my area got on Pepcos ass because last summer we lost power for about a week. They finally wised up and cut back all the branches. The other thing that suprised me was the neighborhoods around me were dark. Usually I lose power in a stiff breeze.
 
2012-07-05 05:04:57 PM
Just bury all new powerlines underground and replace above ground ones as time and/or disasters permit. Problem solved... eventually.
 
2012-07-05 05:08:15 PM

Jument: That's on you for tempting fate. If you want your power to never go out again, buy a generator. The more expensive, the better.


I looked at getting a propane-fueled generator last winter after the storm here. They're pretty pricey if you want a good sized one (15kW), and if you don't have a lot of propane in your tank, it'll drain it dry, meaning no hot water or stove use.

If you're in an area where you are prone to many long-lasting outages, sure, I recommend it, but for getting it as a "just in case" thing, it might not be worth the money to get it and get it installed and maintained. Two 2KW generators is enough to run a pellet stove or A/C, big screen TV, surround sound, the 360 and charge laptops and cell phones and your home LAN (better to have two in case one goes down).

Just make sure the generator you're planning on getting puts out "clean" power. If it is a cheap one, you're going to get voltage spikes and kHz ratings that are out of control and could damage/fry your equipment. Portable Honda generators are really quiet, but really pricey. If you get one louder, keep it in a safe place that is secure, but not an attached garage. CO poisoning isn't worth having lights.
 
2012-07-05 05:09:02 PM

Sargun: It's gonna cost like $110 a month per electric bill over 20 years to migrate underground, or so I read an article yesterday saying.


Solar panels would be cheaper.
 
2012-07-05 05:10:19 PM
You mean the same storm that ran a muck through Indiana, Ohio, and so forth?

We've a friend and her dogs living with us until she gets power back. Should be Friday or Saturday. Same answers are happening everywhere with power companies.

So, to marylanders - suck it.
 
2012-07-05 05:11:06 PM

groppet: I was actually suprised I only lost power for 30 min. I think people in my area got on Pepcos ass because last summer we lost power for about a week. They finally wised up and cut back all the branches. The other thing that suprised me was the neighborhoods around me were dark. Usually I lose power in a stiff breeze.


Heh, the folks across the street are on a separate feed. Their feed has always been MUCH more reliable than ours. When my power was getting knocked out once a month I couldn't help but look across the street and curse those power-having bastards. :D
 
2012-07-05 05:11:07 PM

vernonFL: A lot of the outages are because of things like this:

[t1.gstatic.com image 275x183]

This is not an easy fix.


It would be if they cleared the trees from around the power lines. Not unusual around here to see the trees growing through the power lines.

/or is it the power lines going through the trees?
 
2012-07-05 05:12:45 PM
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Sheeeeeeeeiiiiiiiittttttt
 
2012-07-05 05:12:51 PM
Just need install a basement nuclear reactor, let the grid come to you!

bathroomreader.com
 
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