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		Female teachers: If you're going to have sex with your 15-year-old students, don't do it in your classroom. Twice (nydailynews.com)		47
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Slaxl		2012-07-05 11:26:54 AM

5 votes:

Silly Jesus: So, remind me...why is it that society reacts so differently when it's a woman who steals the youth of a child vs. when a man does it? It's always just a big joke with you guys when a woman takes advantage of her authority to violate children...when men do it, it's a bid deal. Why isn't it a big deal no matter what the sex of the authority figure?

Why do you think boys and girls are the same? Most people here had sex before 15, so how is a woman having sex with a 15 year old stealing his youth? You make it sound like she's a nightmarish witch who sucks out souls. I'm sure she sucked out something but it didn't steal his youth.

Unless he says so. I don't care what the courts say, what the law is, what the school rules are and I especially don't care what his parents say. The only thing that matters is how he feels, and I don't know, so i'm going to believe that he's happy to have had sex willingly with an attractive woman because he's a guy, and that's what we do.

Women are more often than men subjects of genuine rape attacks, so when a female student and a male teacher get it on then questions get asked and suspicions aroused in a different way, because they're not the same, but that doesn't mean all women under the age of 16, or 18, are similarly subjected to rape in all instances. I knew a 13 year old girl who seduced a teacher, had sex with him then when she got bored she reported him to the police for a laugh.

Not all cases are the same, not all people are the same, and not all genders are the same, so yes, everyone does react differently to man and girl as opposed to boy and woman, and it's with good reason.

Shazam999		2012-07-05 12:26:31 PM

4 votes:

Slaxl: Most people here had sex before 15

You're on Fark, most people here are still virgins.

Demetrius		2012-07-05 09:43:07 AM

4 votes:

BurnShrike: That's right. The classroom is a place of learning, not somewhere to enjoy yourself.

I think the term you're looking for is 'rape'.

tonguedepressor		2012-07-05 01:17:00 PM

3 votes:

Barfmaker: make me some tea: Where were these sexy teachers when I was a kid?

farking the cool kids.

Yep. We just kept our f*ckn mouths shut back then so we didn't screw things up for the next guy.

Jon iz teh kewl		2012-07-05 12:25:06 PM

3 votes:

Dr J Zoidberg		2012-07-05 09:52:47 AM

3 votes:

So one of the few times the teacher is actually cute, Subby doesn't mention it?

+1 just for not using the stupid "HOT teacher" meme

Abe Vigoda's Ghost		2012-07-05 01:15:25 PM

2 votes:

SweetSaws		2012-07-05 12:54:38 PM

2 votes:

Oh look, it's this thread again!Zizzowop: Most people here had sex before 15

Came to react to this-maybe saying most people here had sex by the time they were 30? -at least the guys anyway. I hate to be a complete pig but if ladies really want to understand why guys are enthralled over the idea of a teenage boy being farked by a hot teacher twice his age, just remember that even an ugly woman can sell her body for sex and have no problem finding a buyer-the opposite, of course, is not true.

Yup!

A very attractive woman can screw 100% of the time she wants.
A less attractive woman can screw 99% of the time she wants.
An ugly woman can screw 98% of the time she wants.

A very attractive male can screw 75% of the time he wants.
A less attractive male can screw 25% of the time he wants.
An ugly man must rape 100% of the time he wants to screw.

hasty ambush		2012-07-05 12:36:25 PM

2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid		2012-07-05 11:37:05 AM

2 votes:

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BurnShrike		2012-07-05 09:38:56 AM

2 votes:

That's right. The classroom is a place of learning, not somewhere to enjoy yourself.

redhook		2012-07-06 06:26:54 PM

1 votes:

BurnShrike: That's right. The classroom is a place of learning, not somewhere to enjoy yourself.

Was she not teaching him things?

The Stealth Hippopotamus		2012-07-05 07:17:53 PM

1 votes:

The picture to word ratio in this thread makes me sad

JungleBoogie		2012-07-05 05:59:16 PM

1 votes:

1) Male having sex with his female teacher: Bravo!

2) Female having sex with her male teacher: Hang him!

Why?

Because of the old saw, "Men have relationships in order to have sex, women have sex in order to have relationships."

Look at Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. This is the archetypical male teacher - female student relationship. Bill was just getting his rocks off with a buxom young lass. The lass ridiculously thought that Bill was going to leave Hillary for her. The height of ridiculousness. She was used. Victimized to a degree.

Then look at Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore. This is the archetypal female teacher - male student relationship. When Ashton finally had enough, Demi had a well-publicized meltdown.

Look at one of the most famous cases - the Mary Kay Letourneau incident where ultimately, she actually married the kid and had kids with him. It just reinforces the "Woman having sex in order to have a relationship" model.

Look, it's not like this in every case. Humans sexuality has a lot of variation. But it's also like a bell curve. There's the vast majority of common interactions in the middle, and the unusual stuff towards the edges. Could it be that a steely-eyed, worldly 15 year old totally took advantage of her naive, 40-year-old-virgin-esque male teacher? Possibly. But extraordinarily unlikely.

So - conclusion: the reason people get outraged with the male teacher/female student affair is because the female student is probably being victimized. Whereas in the female teacher/male student scenario, the male student is not being victimized and is just exercising his typical teenage male horndoggery with a willing female.

WhippingBoy		2012-07-05 02:38:01 PM

1 votes:

Ordinary Genius: Savage Bacon: falcon444: Silly Jesus:
Simple physics. A female can't really rape a male that's not aroused. She was aroused, he was aroused. It doesn't work the same the other way.

Arousal, sure, as it's a mechanical reaction, but what about consciousness?

/Roofies + Viagra = Ride'em, Cowgirl!
//also, strap-ons
///yes, I realize that this wasn't the case in this situation, but a woman can most definitely rape a man

I don't want to white-knight or anything, but he's technically not wrong for the circumstances that are implied.

In what world does arousal == consent?

God's Bathroom Floor		2012-07-05 02:37:40 PM

1 votes:

How do these teachers keep getting caught, and why do we waste time trying to catch them? I mean, I understand in the case of ugly old trolls that maybe the teachers really did pressure the students into something, but this girl is pretty cute and I have a hard time believing that she forced the student to do anything he didn't want to do.

The truth is, 14-15 is about when people naturally become sexually active, and it's high time we stop pretending as though that's somehow wrong. Yeah, some people at that age still look childlike, but just as many don't. Different people develop at different rates, so having a single, immovable, unilateral rule is absurd and will inevitably lead to miscarriages of justice in the numerous places where the law and the reality of the situation inevitably don't quite match up.

And in the end, who cares anyway? It's just sex. Why do we live in a society that places such a taboo on something so wonderful and happy, while practically fetishizing violence of every conceivable kind? Sex with the teacher is bad, but killing people in video games is ok?

(Not that I want to sound anti-videogame, because I'm not, but that's a discussion for another time.)

Philimus		2012-07-05 02:03:35 PM

1 votes:

Mr_Fabulous: "... is this a story that needs to be told in a sympathetic light? Or should I just farking drop it?"

Your friend sounds like a major-league prude. I'd say publish or perish. But I'd also suggest that you keep the tone as light and/or realistic as you can. Since you were 17, and only six years separated you and your teacher, your story doesn't strike me as creepy the way it would if your ages were something like 13 and 33. And there is a lot more leeway for fiction when it's an older woman/younger man sort of thing. Besides, with so many of these kinds of articles appearing in the news these days, you will probably have an audience curious to know how this sort of fling happens in real life.

\Congrats for not being "scarred," and also for moving on ...

Sticky Hands		2012-07-05 01:43:20 PM

1 votes:

The Flexecutioner: annoyed_grunt: Why is it "having sex with" when it's a female teacher with a man, but "rape" when it's a male teacher with a female?

because the boys never resist?

I suspect that is the assumption. Or to be more specific, I believe that the underlying assumption is that the average15 year old boy is very capable of stopping an average unarmed woman from raping him.

This seems consistent with the various levels of outrage:

Female teacher: male student = lucky bastard (assumed the boy is stronger, therefore in control)
Female teacher: female student = probably hot (assumed physically about equal)
Male teacher: any student = string him up (assumed that the older male is physically strongest by a wide margin)

Obviously this isn't all there is to it, but I think that it is a major factor.

WhippingBoy		2012-07-05 01:40:54 PM

1 votes:

Mr_Fabulous: OK, serious question time.

Back in the early 1980s, I had a relationship with my Chem teacher. I was 17 and she was 23. I remember it fondly, it was a nice little fling that lasted a few months, and then it ended.

Flash forward to today. I'm an amateur writer, languishing in a 'business writing' career (hey, it pays the bills). And I have an outline for a semi-humorous novella (possibly a film script) about my experiences back in 1980. I think it has potential, mostly because it treats the relationship from a naturalistic, first-person POV and NOT as something sick, sad and unforgivable.

I've run the idea past my good friend, who's a fairly accomplished novelist (and who also knew me in high school). She is absolutely against it, just on general principles. She insists that most people would simply regard such a story as pathetic, tragic, ugly and prurient... no matter how it is actually written.

While I do value her candor a great deal, I feel like I need a second opinion or two (hello Fark!). So... is this a story that needs to be told in a sympathetic light? Or should I just farking drop it?

If you make the teacher out to be a victim of the oppressive, hegemonic kyriarchy expressing herself in spite of an uncaring, penicentric patriarchy, you're golden!

Zizzowop		2012-07-05 01:37:26 PM

1 votes:

Theaetetus: ReapTheChaos: Fact is, men and women are different. From the second men hit puberty sex is all they think about.

Don't talk to women much, do you? Fact is, from the second women hit puberty, sex is also all they think about.

Really? Where do I meet those women?

Strategeryz0r		2012-07-05 01:33:45 PM

1 votes:

Theaetetus: Strategeryz0r: My math is not based on real numbers, it's a simple fact ...
At this point, clearly you're trolling.

Yes, pointing out the flaws in your "I don't need data, I have anecdotes" and "Men will have sex with anything, except for me, because I'm totes picky" is clearly trolling. Boy, you sure done got me.

I didn't say men will have sex with anything. I said any woman can easily find a guy who will though, all they have to do is look. You extracted your own interpretation out of that. As others, not me, have also said.

NightOwl2255: I'm a picky eater. But after a few days with no food I'd eat fried goat nads.

Find a guy who hasn't gotten some for awhile, and odds are he'll stick it in a beluga whale without question.

In terms of me being picky, I am. Not when I was younger, but as I got older I did become more selective once I grew out of the man-whore phase because I wanted to find a wife. You're not going to find a very good wife by not narrowing down your choices of women to those you truly feel like you can be around. Now-a-days I am married, and it's very simple for me to flip off the part of my brain that views other women as sexual conquests. When it comes to being in relationships, I'm honestly the type of guy who is as loyal to his woman as a puppy. And I really do love my wife, despite problems that we've had along the way.

In regards to not needing data, where's yours? You have nothing but snarky comments, and shiat attempts to use someone's personal preference as wide ranging fact. So your arguments are no better than mine.

So yes, you are trolling.

*insert welcome to fark picture here*

Rockstone		2012-07-05 01:22:44 PM

1 votes:

Slaxl: Most people here had sex before 15

I think you highly underestimate the fark demographic

WhippingBoy		2012-07-05 01:17:16 PM

1 votes:

Heathen: WhippingBoy: Heathen: WhippingBoy: falcon444: Silly Jesus:

I'm serious. I certainly don't consider it rape, however; I get more annoyed when the garbage can gets full and my wife doesn't bother to take it out.

I weep for your libido. Is that why your name is Whipping Boy?

/just curious

Naw... just sometimes all you want is a good night's sleep

/old
//married 15 years

Strategeryz0r		2012-07-05 01:09:33 PM

1 votes:

Theaetetus: Strategeryz0r: Theaetetus: Strategeryz0r: Theaetetus: SweetSaws: A very attractive woman can screw 100% of the time she wants.
A less attractive woman can screw 99% of the time she wants.
An ugly woman can screw 98% of the time she wants.

So, how long have you been suffering from this inability to see truly ugly women? Does it cause you problems trying to maneuver around them in public?

A truly ugly woman still will not have a problem finding someone to fark. To a lot of guys, pussy is pussy. How do you think fat chicks end up with kids too? Nobody WANTED to fark them, it was just all someone could get at the time.

This shows an incredible lack of self-awareness. Tell you what... Let's put some money on it. I bet I can find a woman you wouldn't fark.

I'm married, so yes you can find lots of them. It's every woman but my wife.

Trust me though, as someone who works in clubs. Ugly women have absolutely no problem finding someone to take them home. Alcohol is a miracle worker for them.

Also I'm an exceptionally picky individual when it comes to my wimmen. I was speaking in generalities not my own preference.

Well, aren't you a special little snowflake. Or, maybe, just maybe, you aren't that special, and there are a bunch of hideous lonely women out there who can't find anyone to fark.

I don't know wtf you're talking about. Did I say I was special? No. I was merely saying I see some of the most hideous women find people to have sex with them on a weekly basis. Personal experience =/= claim of being special.

So naturally, one can only assume you can't find someone to have sex with you. Hence you're absurdly bitter attitude at the claim made by myself, and others, that ugly women can still get laid on a more frequent basis than probably 90% of all middle class men.

Which, if you look at the weekly florida hooker mugshot roundups, is unequivocally true. If women THAT ugly can SELL it, surely they can give it out for free with greater ease.

dletter		2012-07-05 01:09:02 PM

1 votes:

Here is the bottom line for the adults on any of these cases no matter what the sexes are of any of the people involved:

You are an idiot if you think a teenager can/will truly keep something a secret.

WhippingBoy		2012-07-05 01:08:50 PM

1 votes:

Heathen: WhippingBoy: falcon444: Silly Jesus:
Simple physics. A female can't really rape a male that's not aroused. She was aroused, he was aroused. It doesn't work the same the other way.

I'm not sure that's true. According to certain definitions, I've been "raped" numerous times by my wife (e.g. she wanted sex, I wanted to sleep and repeatedly and emphatically told her 'no'; she persisted, and certain biological functions occurred without any conscious feelings of arousal on my part, this of course, was taken as a sign that I was willing, so she progressed, etc. etc. until I finally let her finish so I could get back to sleep.

notsureifserious.jpg

I'm serious. I certainly don't consider it rape, however; I get more annoyed when the garbage can gets full and my wife doesn't bother to take it out.

farm machine		2012-07-05 01:08:15 PM

1 votes:

Slaxl: Why do you think boys and girls are the same? Most people here had sex before 15, so how is a woman having sex with a 15 year old stealing his youth? You make it sound like she's a nightmarish witch who sucks out souls. I'm sure she sucked out something but it didn't steal his youth.

Unless he says so. I don't care what the courts say, what the law is, what the school rules are and I especially don't care what his parents say. The only thing that matters is how he feels, and I don't know, so i'm going to believe that he's happy to have had sex willingly with an attractive woman because he's a guy, and that's what we do.

What if the 15 year old male student felt great about willingly having sex with an attractive male teacher?

Akabander		2012-07-05 01:03:41 PM

1 votes:

thecpt: Please tell me you fixed that.

Even if he went to the police and said, "Hey, I know that crazy biatch, she seduced him first. Here are the texts she forwarded to me as proof," the poor dude would still be up on rape charges. She was 13, he was an adult. In the eyes of the law, that's rape regardless of whether she initiated the sex.

Theaetetus		2012-07-05 01:00:40 PM

1 votes:

Strategeryz0r: Theaetetus: SweetSaws: A very attractive woman can screw 100% of the time she wants.
A less attractive woman can screw 99% of the time she wants.
An ugly woman can screw 98% of the time she wants.

So, how long have you been suffering from this inability to see truly ugly women? Does it cause you problems trying to maneuver around them in public?

A truly ugly woman still will not have a problem finding someone to fark. To a lot of guys, pussy is pussy. How do you think fat chicks end up with kids too? Nobody WANTED to fark them, it was just all someone could get at the time.

This shows an incredible lack of self-awareness. Tell you what... Let's put some money on it. I bet I can find a woman you wouldn't fark.

dletter		2012-07-05 12:57:56 PM

1 votes:

SweetSaws: An ugly man that isn't rich must rape 100% of the time he wants to screw.

FTFY..... rich dude's can score 100% of the time, even if their entire body has 3rd degree burns.

But, I think your whole point was based on "middle/lower class" people, basically cash makes everything 100%.

Theaetetus		2012-07-05 12:57:24 PM

1 votes:

SweetSaws: A very attractive woman can screw 100% of the time she wants.
A less attractive woman can screw 99% of the time she wants.
An ugly woman can screw 98% of the time she wants.

So, how long have you been suffering from this inability to see truly ugly women? Does it cause you problems trying to maneuver around them in public?

bugontherug		2012-07-05 12:56:19 PM

1 votes:

Male 15 year olds--if you are going to have sex with your hot female teachers, a) do it in the classroom, it's hotter when you can get caught, and b) keep your trap shut about it. You ruin it for some other 15 year old when you get her arrested.

/Yeah I know. Mom caught them in bed. But still.

booger42		2012-07-05 12:53:49 PM

1 votes:

Yes, she's cute and after hearing the evidence, she's farked too. Cute but dumb as a post.

Strategeryz0r		2012-07-05 12:53:45 PM

1 votes:

BurnShrike: DoBeDoBeDo: You know at 15 any guy will do any hole that's available to him. At least with an older woman there is a chance she's on birth control or will require him to use a condom, more so than a 15 year old girl who wants to find out "what it's like" and ends up pregnant.

If anything for the sake of society we should ENCOURAGE this type of behavior.

In some cultures they do. It's expected that an older, more experienced, member of the opposite gender introduce you to sex and show you how things work.

We sit down with other people to show them how to do all sorts of things... cooking, riding a bike, mathematics. It's all done by an experienced, knowledgeable person. But when it comes to sex ~~we're left entirely in the dark and forced to figure it out on our own~~ our ass backwards culture tries to teach you that, unless you're procreating, you should NEVER do it..

FTFY, America truly is farked up when it comes to our views on sex. All those idiotic religious zealots who believe we should all be forced to live under their warped ideal of morality, rather than fostering a culture where people are free to make up their own damn mind.

Premeditated_Road_Rage		2012-07-05 12:47:28 PM

1 votes:

falcon444: Silly Jesus:
Simple physics. A female can't really rape a male that's not aroused. She was aroused, he was aroused. It doesn't work the same the other way.

I'll see your 'simple pysics' and raise you 'simple chemistry'. Thanks to drugs like ecstasy and viagra, the man can be chemically aroused without consent. Sometimes rape can go beyond the simple 'jump out of the bushes with a knife' realm, you know...

degenerate-afro		2012-07-05 12:46:21 PM

1 votes:

Of course it was a female teacher subby, if it was a male teacher, he'd be in jail by now.

Zizzowop		2012-07-05 12:46:18 PM

1 votes:

Most people here had sex before 15

Came to react to this-maybe saying most people here had sex by the time they were 30? -at least the guys anyway. I hate to be a complete pig but if ladies really want to understand why guys are enthralled over the idea of a teenage boy being farked by a hot teacher twice his age, just remember that even an ugly woman can sell her body for sex and have no problem finding a buyer-the opposite, of course, is not true.

Strategeryz0r		2012-07-05 12:44:36 PM

1 votes:

Sybarite: At first she was like

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but then she serioused

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Is it weird that the one question on my mind is what school in Texas can afford a shiatload of macs for their computer lab?

the_sidewinder		2012-07-05 12:44:15 PM

1 votes:

falcon444: Silly Jesus:
Simple physics. A female can't really rape a male that's not aroused. She was aroused, he was aroused. It doesn't work the same the other way.

I hope you're not serious

DoBeDoBeDo		2012-07-05 12:43:44 PM

1 votes:

You know at 15 any guy will do any hole that's available to him. At least with an older woman there is a chance she's on birth control or will require him to use a condom, more so than a 15 year old girl who wants to find out "what it's like" and ends up pregnant.

If anything for the sake of society we should ENCOURAGE this type of behavior.

pianomom		2012-07-05 12:43:11 PM

1 votes:

Teachers are freaks. I oughtta know. I am one in real life and I play one on tv.

DubyaHater		2012-07-05 12:41:47 PM

1 votes:

She was a teen-sex teacher? What did the school board think was going to happen in her classroom?
/I think the title of the article could use some editing

ottawa.watts		2012-07-05 12:37:25 PM

1 votes:

>Women scream outrage at these incidents.

>Men high five each other at these incidents.

orbister		2012-07-05 12:32:13 PM

1 votes:

Curiously familiar, that face.

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WhippingBoy		2012-07-05 12:31:10 PM

1 votes:

Silly Jesus		2012-07-05 10:59:41 AM

1 votes:

So, remind me...why is it that society reacts so differently when it's a woman who steals the youth of a child vs. when a man does it? It's always just a big joke with you guys when a woman takes advantage of her authority to violate children...when men do it, it's a bid deal. Why isn't it a big deal no matter what the sex of the authority figure?