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2012-07-05 01:53:03 PM  

RobotSpider: I'd like to explore HER Organ Trail.

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It's all fun and games until you catch Dysentery.
 
2012-07-05 01:53:05 PM  

Silly Jesus: So, remind me...why is it that society reacts so differently when it's a woman who steals the youth of a child vs. when a man does it? It's always just a big joke with you guys when a woman takes advantage of her authority to violate children...when men do it, it's a bid deal. Why isn't it a big deal no matter what the sex of the authority figure?


Because those men all are angry they're not the ones deflowering the underage babes. And if they can't then no guy their age should be allowed to.
 
2012-07-05 01:53:06 PM  

WhippingBoy: Sticky Hands: The Flexecutioner: annoyed_grunt: Why is it "having sex with" when it's a female teacher with a man, but "rape" when it's a male teacher with a female?

because the boys never resist?

I suspect that is the assumption. Or to be more specific, I believe that the underlying assumption is that the average15 year old boy is very capable of stopping an average unarmed woman from raping him.

This seems consistent with the various levels of outrage:

Female teacher: male student = lucky bastard (assumed the boy is stronger, therefore in control)
Female teacher: female student = probably hot (assumed physically about equal)
Male teacher: any student = string him up (assumed that the older male is physically strongest by a wide margin)

Obviously this isn't all there is to it, but I think that it is a major factor.

This is nonsense. You don't need to be physically stronger than someone in order to "be in control". That's why the fact that she was a teacher (e.g. authority) is relevant.


I agree, but the question above is about why do we appear to be treating male teachers and female teachers differently?

It can't JUST be risk of pregnancy, since male teachers who have relations with male students still get the "string 'em up" reaction.

// It also seems that the severity of the punishment is inversely related to the attractiveness of the teacher.
 
2012-07-05 01:54:01 PM  

PlainStupid: Molavian: farm machine: Slaxl: Why do you think boys and girls are the same? Most people here had sex before 15, so how is a woman having sex with a 15 year old stealing his youth? You make it sound like she's a nightmarish witch who sucks out souls. I'm sure she sucked out something but it didn't steal his youth.

Unless he says so. I don't care what the courts say, what the law is, what the school rules are and I especially don't care what his parents say. The only thing that matters is how he feels, and I don't know, so i'm going to believe that he's happy to have had sex willingly with an attractive woman because he's a guy, and that's what we do.

What if the 15 year old male student felt great about willingly having sex with an attractive male teacher?

Sick, dude.

/Seriously, he just went there. Tis, tis...


The Fark Teacher/Student outrage matrix says we need to nuke the school for purification purposes if that were to happen.
 
2012-07-05 01:54:50 PM  

WhippingBoy: Sticky Hands: The Flexecutioner: annoyed_grunt: Why is it "having sex with" when it's a female teacher with a man, but "rape" when it's a male teacher with a female?

because the boys never resist?

I suspect that is the assumption. Or to be more specific, I believe that the underlying assumption is that the average15 year old boy is very capable of stopping an average unarmed woman from raping him.

This seems consistent with the various levels of outrage:

Female teacher: male student = lucky bastard (assumed the boy is stronger, therefore in control)
Female teacher: female student = probably hot (assumed physically about equal)
Male teacher: any student = string him up (assumed that the older male is physically strongest by a wide margin)

Obviously this isn't all there is to it, but I think that it is a major factor.

This is nonsense. You don't need to be physically stronger than someone in order to "be in control". That's why the fact that she was a teacher (e.g. authority) is relevant.


meh, regardless, as i understand it there's 2 kinds of rape, violent and statutory. when the casual person brings up rape that isnt teacher-student related it's usually a reference to the violent kind. but in the teacher threads they tend to be consensual but statutory because one party was under-age. and they either bring it to legal matters by parents who got wind of it or a jilted, heart-broken party seeking revenge or punishment the teenager always has someone they talk to about it so that stuff always makes the rumor mill, even if its a couple years later.
 
2012-07-05 01:55:06 PM  

Silly Jesus: So, remind me...why is it that society reacts so differently when it's a woman who steals the youth of a child vs. when a man does it? It's always just a big joke with you guys when a woman takes advantage of her authority to violate children...when men do it, it's a bid deal. Why isn't it a big deal no matter what the sex of the authority figure?


Because women should never be held accountable for their actions regardless of their age, while men should. Hooray for equality!
 
2012-07-05 01:58:19 PM  

Sticky Hands: I agree, but the question above is about why do we appear to be treating male teachers and female teachers differently?


Primarily misogyny. We consider female students to lack the ability to consent, and we consider female teachers to lack any power to seduce or extort male students... so the male teacher must have been taking advantage of the female student, and the female teacher couldn't possibly have been taking advantage of the male student.
 
2012-07-05 01:59:01 PM  

The Flexecutioner: as i understand it there's 2 kinds of rape, violent and statutory


media.giantbomb.com
 
2012-07-05 01:59:16 PM  

Sticky Hands: WhippingBoy: Sticky Hands: The Flexecutioner: annoyed_grunt: Why is it "having sex with" when it's a female teacher with a man, but "rape" when it's a male teacher with a female?

because the boys never resist?

I suspect that is the assumption. Or to be more specific, I believe that the underlying assumption is that the average15 year old boy is very capable of stopping an average unarmed woman from raping him.

This seems consistent with the various levels of outrage:

Female teacher: male student = lucky bastard (assumed the boy is stronger, therefore in control)
Female teacher: female student = probably hot (assumed physically about equal)
Male teacher: any student = string him up (assumed that the older male is physically strongest by a wide margin)

Obviously this isn't all there is to it, but I think that it is a major factor.

This is nonsense. You don't need to be physically stronger than someone in order to "be in control". That's why the fact that she was a teacher (e.g. authority) is relevant.

I agree, but the question above is about why do we appear to be treating male teachers and female teachers differently?

It can't JUST be risk of pregnancy, since male teachers who have relations with male students still get the "string 'em up" reaction.

// It also seems that the severity of the punishment is inversely related to the attractiveness of the teacher.


If I remember correctly, there was a story recently(month or so?) about a cute teacher getting in huge trouble over sleeping with a 17 yr old male.
Notes:
-17 is the age of consent at that state
-3 male students had a bet on who would tap dat first
-She wasn't his teacher. She was a teacher at the school, he was a student at the school, but that was all.

/not 100% sure on details
//think she had the book thrown at her pretty bad
///fired with possible jail time
 
2012-07-05 01:59:40 PM  

Theaetetus: Sticky Hands: I agree, but the question above is about why do we appear to be treating male teachers and female teachers differently?

Primarily misogyny. We consider female students to lack the ability to consent, and we consider female teachers to lack any power to seduce or extort male students... so the male teacher must have been taking advantage of the female student, and the female teacher couldn't possibly have been taking advantage of the male student.


I think you mean misandry.
 
2012-07-05 02:01:05 PM  

Masterstuff: If I remember correctly, there was a story recently(month or so?) about a cute teacher getting in huge trouble over sleeping with a 17 yr old male.
Notes:
-17 is the age of consent at that state
-3 male students had a bet on who would tap dat first
-She wasn't his teacher. She was a teacher at the school, he was a student at the school, but that was all.

/not 100% sure on details
//think she had the book thrown at her pretty bad
///fired with possible jail time


Yep, but it's almost a certainty she'll get off on the criminal charges, as there's a really good argument that the statute doesn't apply to her interaction with him (she wasn't the victim's caretaker).
 
2012-07-05 02:01:09 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: MikeMc: Shazam999: Slaxl: Most people here had sex before 15

You're on Fark, most people here are still virgins.

You know, I always had a feeling those weren't my kids, now I know why. I'm a virgin!

you had sex with who's children??


I don't know.

THIRD BASE.
 
2012-07-05 02:01:11 PM  

serial_crusher: EvilVanMan: minoridiot: He's 15 and still in the 8th grade? How stupid is this kid?

And to call him a victim may be stretching the truth a bit. At 15, everything is sexy (including anything in sears catalog, the lunch lady, the toaster, etc), it's just a matter of working it into the daily routine. He just got lucky that on those days he was able to work in a good looking blond into the daily routine.

Stupid sexy toasters ans their sexy toast!

ok, true story. I tried to fark a bowl of ramen noodles when I was that age. "Sure, they're soft and squishy. It'll be just like a vagina, right?"

/ Except I forgot to let the freshly-boiled noodles cool before going at it.


TMI dude. TMI,,,
 
2012-07-05 02:01:46 PM  

Masterstuff: If I remember correctly, there was a story recently(month or so?) about a cute teacher getting in huge trouble over sleeping with a 17 yr old male.
Notes:
-17 is the age of consent at that state
-3 male students had a bet on who would tap dat first
-She wasn't his teacher. She was a teacher at the school, he was a student at the school, but that was all.

/not 100% sure on details
//think she had the book thrown at her pretty bad
///fired with possible jail tim


Is there an actual law that stipulates teachers cannot sleep with their students regardless of age? I was always under the impression that, unless the student's age made it statutory rape, that was nothing but a district guideline that would result in the teacher being fired.

Because that sounds kind of farked if she ends up in jail for sleeping with an of age individual. But I'm not exactly clear on all the legal hooplah that goes into these cases. I just assumed it fell under statutory.
 
2012-07-05 02:02:34 PM  

Strategeryz0r: But have you never, in your life, ran into guys who do nothing but biatch about how long it's been since they got laid? And at the end of the night basically go home with whatever they can get? It's not exactly an uncommon thing to see....


Not really, no. I don't go to bars or clubs or anything of that sort. And I don't tend to have much in common with guys who let their dick run their life.

I'm not saying they're not out there (I've been on Fark long enough to know some guys will stick their dick in anything), but I can't ever recall having a conversation with one.
 
2012-07-05 02:03:35 PM  
Mr_Fabulous: "... is this a story that needs to be told in a sympathetic light? Or should I just farking drop it?"

Your friend sounds like a major-league prude. I'd say publish or perish. But I'd also suggest that you keep the tone as light and/or realistic as you can. Since you were 17, and only six years separated you and your teacher, your story doesn't strike me as creepy the way it would if your ages were something like 13 and 33. And there is a lot more leeway for fiction when it's an older woman/younger man sort of thing. Besides, with so many of these kinds of articles appearing in the news these days, you will probably have an audience curious to know how this sort of fling happens in real life.

\Congrats for not being "scarred," and also for moving on ...
 
2012-07-05 02:06:15 PM  

Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: as i understand it there's 2 kinds of rape, violent and statutory

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more like [dontcareifserious.jpg]. not all of us are patent lawyers and for the layman, there are 2 kinds of rape, generally. (well, a third if you count subjective rape like "i raped that fool in halo" or "i raped that pizza last night i was so hungry.")
 
2012-07-05 02:07:17 PM  

WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: Sticky Hands: I agree, but the question above is about why do we appear to be treating male teachers and female teachers differently?

Primarily misogyny. We consider female students to lack the ability to consent, and we consider female teachers to lack any power to seduce or extort male students... so the male teacher must have been taking advantage of the female student, and the female teacher couldn't possibly have been taking advantage of the male student.

I think you mean misandry.


Actually, misogyny would be the right term, as women are not presumed to have any sort of power in both cases (to consent or seduce), hence they are inferior and should be treated as such. If said power was attributed to them, perhaps we'd see more "equal footing", as it were.
 
2012-07-05 02:08:14 PM  
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2012-07-05 02:08:15 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: OK, serious question time.

Back in the early 1980s, I had a relationship with my Chem teacher. I was 17 and she was 23. I remember it fondly, it was a nice little fling that lasted a few months, and then it ended.

Flash forward to today. I'm an amateur writer, languishing in a 'business writing' career (hey, it pays the bills). And I have an outline for a semi-humorous novella (possibly a film script) about my experiences back in 1980. I think it has potential, mostly because it treats the relationship from a naturalistic, first-person POV and NOT as something sick, sad and unforgivable.

I've run the idea past my good friend, who's a fairly accomplished novelist (and who also knew me in high school). She is absolutely against it, just on general principles. She insists that most people would simply regard such a story as pathetic, tragic, ugly and prurient... no matter how it is actually written.

While I do value her candor a great deal, I feel like I need a second opinion or two (hello Fark!). So... is this a story that needs to be told in a sympathetic light? Or should I just farking drop it?


Drop it. If for no other reason to protect your former lover. $0.03 keep the change.
 
2012-07-05 02:08:25 PM  
all i know is that teacher can rape me any time she wants.

/she's a cutie
 
2012-07-05 02:08:48 PM  

WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: Sticky Hands: I agree, but the question above is about why do we appear to be treating male teachers and female teachers differently?

Primarily misogyny. We consider female students to lack the ability to consent, and we consider female teachers to lack any power to seduce or extort male students... so the male teacher must have been taking advantage of the female student, and the female teacher couldn't possibly have been taking advantage of the male student.

I think you mean misandry.


No, I meant misogyny. Saying that women are fragile little creatures who lack any power and therefore can't be criminally culpable for their actions is misogyny, even if it results in only men being held liable, because it's simultaneously saying that women shouldn't be placed in any position that requires them to exercise power.
 
2012-07-05 02:09:39 PM  

Savage Bacon: WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: Sticky Hands: I agree, but the question above is about why do we appear to be treating male teachers and female teachers differently?

Primarily misogyny. We consider female students to lack the ability to consent, and we consider female teachers to lack any power to seduce or extort male students... so the male teacher must have been taking advantage of the female student, and the female teacher couldn't possibly have been taking advantage of the male student.

I think you mean misandry.

Actually, misogyny would be the right term, as women are not presumed to have any sort of power in both cases (to consent or seduce), hence they are inferior and should be treated as such. If said power was attributed to them, perhaps we'd see more "equal footing", as it were.


That's a good point. I think we're both right.
- a female teacher is not presumed to have any power
- a male teacher is assumed to be the one abusing his power
 
2012-07-05 02:10:20 PM  

Silly Jesus: So, remind me...why is it that society reacts so differently when it's a woman who steals the youth of a child vs. when a man does it? It's always just a big joke with you guys when a woman takes advantage of her authority to violate children...when men do it, it's a bid deal. Why isn't it a big deal no matter what the sex of the authority figure?


It's due to the fact that you can't force a male to get an erection.
Threats cause limpness.
Beating causes limpness.
Shooting causes limpness.
Stabbing causes limpness, etc.
 
2012-07-05 02:10:27 PM  

BurnShrike: Strategeryz0r: But have you never, in your life, ran into guys who do nothing but biatch about how long it's been since they got laid? And at the end of the night basically go home with whatever they can get? It's not exactly an uncommon thing to see....

Not really, no. I don't go to bars or clubs or anything of that sort. And I don't tend to have much in common with guys who let their dick run their life.

I'm not saying they're not out there (I've been on Fark long enough to know some guys will stick their dick in anything), but I can't ever recall having a conversation with one.


So you don't know anyone in the military personally then?

/Nephew in military
//Have seen him take home the first girl to say hi to him after he's retuned from training or combat
///Yes some have been fugly as all hell
 
2012-07-05 02:10:46 PM  

Theaetetus: Masterstuff: If I remember correctly, there was a story recently(month or so?) about a cute teacher getting in huge trouble over sleeping with a 17 yr old male.
Notes:
-17 is the age of consent at that state
-3 male students had a bet on who would tap dat first
-She wasn't his teacher. She was a teacher at the school, he was a student at the school, but that was all.

/not 100% sure on details
//think she had the book thrown at her pretty bad
///fired with possible jail time

Yep, but it's almost a certainty she'll get off on the criminal charges, as there's a really good argument that the statute doesn't apply to her interaction with him (she wasn't the victim's caretaker).


It sounds like she already got off on the criminal charge.
 
2012-07-05 02:11:19 PM  

The Flexecutioner: Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: as i understand it there's 2 kinds of rape, violent and statutory

[notsureifserious.jpg]

more like [dontcareifserious.jpg]. not all of us are patent lawyers and for the layman, there are 2 kinds of rape, generally. (well, a third if you count subjective rape like "i raped that fool in halo" or "i raped that pizza last night i was so hungry.")


There's also "I slipped something into her drink and raped her once she was unconscious" or "she passed out, so that's open rape season for me and my buddies." There may well be no violence involved, but it sure shouldn't be lumped into the same category as age-based statutory rape.
 
2012-07-05 02:12:35 PM  

Silly Jesus: So, remind me...why is it that society reacts so differently when it's a woman who steals the youth of a child vs. when a man does it? It's always just a big joke with you guys when a woman takes advantage of her authority to violate children...when men do it, it's a bid deal. Why isn't it a big deal no matter what the sex of the authority figure?


Because #1) men are assholes and #2) There's a huge double standard.

Nobody really worries about mental scarring of a 15 y/o boy

I'm a man, I know about these things. (so by extension . . .)Any other questions?
 
2012-07-05 02:13:17 PM  

WhippingBoy: Savage Bacon: WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: Sticky Hands: I agree, but the question above is about why do we appear to be treating male teachers and female teachers differently?

Primarily misogyny. We consider female students to lack the ability to consent, and we consider female teachers to lack any power to seduce or extort male students... so the male teacher must have been taking advantage of the female student, and the female teacher couldn't possibly have been taking advantage of the male student.

I think you mean misandry.

Actually, misogyny would be the right term, as women are not presumed to have any sort of power in both cases (to consent or seduce), hence they are inferior and should be treated as such. If said power was attributed to them, perhaps we'd see more "equal footing", as it were.

That's a good point. I think we're both right.
- a female teacher is not presumed to have any power
- a male teacher is assumed to be the one abusing his power


Not quite... The male teacher is assumed to be the one abusing his power, not because he's male, but because he's a teacher, which is why it's not misandry. If we didn't take the misogynistic position that the female teacher had no power, then it would collapse down to:

- a teacher is assumed to be the one abusing his or her power

... which is correct in a student-teacher relationship.
 
2012-07-05 02:14:03 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric:

It's due to the fact that you can't force a male to get an erection.
Threats cause limpness.
Beating causes limpness.
Shooting causes limpness.
Stabbing causes limpness, etc.


Speak for yourself!


/oh yeah!
 
2012-07-05 02:15:25 PM  

Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: as i understand it there's 2 kinds of rape, violent and statutory

[notsureifserious.jpg]

more like [dontcareifserious.jpg]. not all of us are patent lawyers and for the layman, there are 2 kinds of rape, generally. (well, a third if you count subjective rape like "i raped that fool in halo" or "i raped that pizza last night i was so hungry.")

There's also "I slipped something into her drink and raped her once she was unconscious" or "she passed out, so that's open rape season for me and my buddies." There may well be no violence involved, but it sure shouldn't be lumped into the same category as age-based statutory rape.


There's also:
- "I regretted giving consent and decided it was rape after the fact" rape
- "We both gave drunken consent and both regretted what we had done in the morning but he's the one who deserves to go to jail" rape
- "I decided partway through consensual intercourse that I was had had enough" rape
- "I had a good time but my Gender Studies room mate convinced me I had been raped" rape
 
2012-07-05 02:16:56 PM  

Theaetetus: WhippingBoy: Savage Bacon: WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: Sticky Hands: I agree, but the question above is about why do we appear to be treating male teachers and female teachers differently?

Primarily misogyny. We consider female students to lack the ability to consent, and we consider female teachers to lack any power to seduce or extort male students... so the male teacher must have been taking advantage of the female student, and the female teacher couldn't possibly have been taking advantage of the male student.

I think you mean misandry.

Actually, misogyny would be the right term, as women are not presumed to have any sort of power in both cases (to consent or seduce), hence they are inferior and should be treated as such. If said power was attributed to them, perhaps we'd see more "equal footing", as it were.

That's a good point. I think we're both right.
- a female teacher is not presumed to have any power
- a male teacher is assumed to be the one abusing his power

Not quite... The male teacher is assumed to be the one abusing his power, not because he's male, but because he's a teacher, which is why it's not misandry. If we didn't take the misogynistic position that the female teacher had no power, then it would collapse down to:

- a teacher is assumed to be the one abusing his or her power

... which is correct in a student-teacher relationship.


OK, you've convinced me. I agree with you.
 
2012-07-05 02:19:02 PM  

falcon444: Simple physics. A female can't really rape a male that's not aroused. She was aroused, he was aroused. It doesn't work the same the other way.


Unless she's Peggy

Or other stuff I don't want to think about right now.
 
2012-07-05 02:19:24 PM  
s3.jspenguin.org

/Obligatory?
 
2012-07-05 02:20:24 PM  

WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: as i understand it there's 2 kinds of rape, violent and statutory

[notsureifserious.jpg]

more like [dontcareifserious.jpg]. not all of us are patent lawyers and for the layman, there are 2 kinds of rape, generally. (well, a third if you count subjective rape like "i raped that fool in halo" or "i raped that pizza last night i was so hungry.")

There's also "I slipped something into her drink and raped her once she was unconscious" or "she passed out, so that's open rape season for me and my buddies." There may well be no violence involved, but it sure shouldn't be lumped into the same category as age-based statutory rape.

There's also:
- "I regretted giving consent and decided it was rape after the fact" rape
- "We both gave drunken consent and both regretted what we had done in the morning but he's the one who deserves to go to jail" rape
- "I decided partway through consensual intercourse that I was had had enough" rape

- "I had a good time but my Gender Studies room mate convinced me I had been raped" rape


Uh, that one is rape. If someone says "stop, get off me," and you keep going because you already started, then you're a rapist.

/really hopes you're not claiming to have personal experience of those
 
2012-07-05 02:20:26 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Silly Jesus: So, remind me...why is it that society reacts so differently when it's a woman who steals the youth of a child vs. when a man does it? It's always just a big joke with you guys when a woman takes advantage of her authority to violate children...when men do it, it's a bid deal. Why isn't it a big deal no matter what the sex of the authority figure?

It's due to the fact that you can't force a male to get an erection.
Threats cause limpness.
Beating causes limpness.
Shooting causes limpness.
Stabbing causes limpness, etc.

 
2012-07-05 02:20:42 PM  

The Flexecutioner: meh, regardless, as i understand it there's 2 kinds of rape, violent and statutory.


Um, I think you forgot rape-rape...
 
2012-07-05 02:23:10 PM  

Slaxl: Most people here had sex before 15, so how is a woman having sex with a 15 year old stealing his youth?


First, this is FARK. Don't assume anything. While the average user is higher up the socioeconomic food chain than the midpoint, social growth is probably a bit retarded compared to average.

Second, I do kinda see it. It's not that a grown woman sapped his soul. It's more that a teacher, as in someone in a position of authority, became too intimate with one of their charges. This compromises the teacher's authority and destroys the student-teacher relationship. Further, kids are supposed to have lousy sex with other kids and learn how you deal with the emotional fallout that comes with it as a blind-leading-the-blind group. Throwing a wily adult into the mix makes it potentially more difficult to deal with the emotional aftermath. It's a crime to have sex with an intellectually disabled person, mostly because it's assumed they can't give informed consent. So too is it with kids.

/would have nailed that teacher like we were in wood shop back in 8th grade
 
2012-07-05 02:23:42 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: BurnShrike: Strategeryz0r: But have you never, in your life, ran into guys who do nothing but biatch about how long it's been since they got laid? And at the end of the night basically go home with whatever they can get? It's not exactly an uncommon thing to see....

Not really, no. I don't go to bars or clubs or anything of that sort. And I don't tend to have much in common with guys who let their dick run their life.

I'm not saying they're not out there (I've been on Fark long enough to know some guys will stick their dick in anything), but I can't ever recall having a conversation with one.

So you don't know anyone in the military personally then?


No. I don't tend to have much in common with guys who shoot things either.

Again, I know there are guys who'll stick it in just about anything, but I can't really understand it. Surely at some point it's better to go home alone and just fap than take home a nasty disease-ridden skank, right? ... Right?
 
2012-07-05 02:25:10 PM  

Philimus: Mr_Fabulous: "... is this a story that needs to be told in a sympathetic light? Or should I just farking drop it?"

Your friend sounds like a major-league prude. I'd say publish or perish. But I'd also suggest that you keep the tone as light and/or realistic as you can. Since you were 17, and only six years separated you and your teacher, your story doesn't strike me as creepy the way it would if your ages were something like 13 and 33. And there is a lot more leeway for fiction when it's an older woman/younger man sort of thing. Besides, with so many of these kinds of articles appearing in the news these days, you will probably have an audience curious to know how this sort of fling happens in real life.


Thanks. That bolded part is exactly what I wanted to get across. And yeah, keeping things light is the key (ask any 17-year-old).

I appreciate it.
 
2012-07-05 02:25:59 PM  

Theaetetus: WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: as i understand it there's 2 kinds of rape, violent and statutory

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more like [dontcareifserious.jpg]. not all of us are patent lawyers and for the layman, there are 2 kinds of rape, generally. (well, a third if you count subjective rape like "i raped that fool in halo" or "i raped that pizza last night i was so hungry.")

There's also "I slipped something into her drink and raped her once she was unconscious" or "she passed out, so that's open rape season for me and my buddies." There may well be no violence involved, but it sure shouldn't be lumped into the same category as age-based statutory rape.

There's also:
- "I regretted giving consent and decided it was rape after the fact" rape
- "We both gave drunken consent and both regretted what we had done in the morning but he's the one who deserves to go to jail" rape
- "I decided partway through consensual intercourse that I was had had enough" rape
- "I had a good time but my Gender Studies room mate convinced me I had been raped" rape

Uh, that one is rape. If someone says "stop, get off me," and you keep going because you already started, then you're a rapist.

/really hopes you're not claiming to have personal experience of those


I agree, but I also think there is a gray area between this and obvious non-consensual rape.
 
2012-07-05 02:26:03 PM  

Theaetetus: WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: as i understand it there's 2 kinds of rape, violent and statutory

[notsureifserious.jpg]

more like [dontcareifserious.jpg]. not all of us are patent lawyers and for the layman, there are 2 kinds of rape, generally. (well, a third if you count subjective rape like "i raped that fool in halo" or "i raped that pizza last night i was so hungry.")

There's also "I slipped something into her drink and raped her once she was unconscious" or "she passed out, so that's open rape season for me and my buddies." There may well be no violence involved, but it sure shouldn't be lumped into the same category as age-based statutory rape.

There's also:
- "I regretted giving consent and decided it was rape after the fact" rape
- "We both gave drunken consent and both regretted what we had done in the morning but he's the one who deserves to go to jail" rape
- "I decided partway through consensual intercourse that I was had had enough" rape
- "I had a good time but my Gender Studies room mate convinced me I had been raped" rape

Uh, that one is rape. If someone says "stop, get off me," and you keep going because you already started, then you're a rapist.

/really hopes you're not claiming to have personal experience of those


Out of curiosity, since you are a lawyer after all, do you think the rape laws may be a tad too open? That's not to say things like the one you pointed out aren't rape, but rather the abuse of the law from women who regret having consensual sex the night before and claim rape a couple days after the fact.
 
2012-07-05 02:28:19 PM  

BurnShrike: DoBeDoBeDo: BurnShrike: Strategeryz0r: But have you never, in your life, ran into guys who do nothing but biatch about how long it's been since they got laid? And at the end of the night basically go home with whatever they can get? It's not exactly an uncommon thing to see....

Not really, no. I don't go to bars or clubs or anything of that sort. And I don't tend to have much in common with guys who let their dick run their life.

I'm not saying they're not out there (I've been on Fark long enough to know some guys will stick their dick in anything), but I can't ever recall having a conversation with one.

So you don't know anyone in the military personally then?

No. I don't tend to have much in common with guys who shoot things either.

Again, I know there are guys who'll stick it in just about anything, but I can't really understand it. Surely at some point it's better to go home alone and just fap than take home a nasty disease-ridden skank, right? ... Right?


To those of us with common sense, yes it's always better to just go home and fap it alone.

However, if all of us were that way the Jersey Shore would not exist. Nor would reality shows need VD clauses....
 
2012-07-05 02:31:58 PM  

Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: Theaetetus: The Flexecutioner: as i understand it there's 2 kinds of rape, violent and statutory

[notsureifserious.jpg]

more like [dontcareifserious.jpg]. not all of us are patent lawyers and for the layman, there are 2 kinds of rape, generally. (well, a third if you count subjective rape like "i raped that fool in halo" or "i raped that pizza last night i was so hungry.")

There's also "I slipped something into her drink and raped her once she was unconscious" or "she passed out, so that's open rape season for me and my buddies." There may well be no violence involved, but it sure shouldn't be lumped into the same category as age-based statutory rape.


i tend to lump that kind into violent rape. regardless of resistance being present, semi-conscious/unconscious penetration i consider violent.
 
2012-07-05 02:33:42 PM  

Savage Bacon: falcon444: Silly Jesus:
Simple physics. A female can't really rape a male that's not aroused. She was aroused, he was aroused. It doesn't work the same the other way.

Arousal, sure, as it's a mechanical reaction, but what about consciousness?

/Roofies + Viagra = Ride'em, Cowgirl!
//also, strap-ons
///yes, I realize that this wasn't the case in this situation, but a woman can most definitely rape a man


I don't want to white-knight or anything, but he's technically not wrong for the circumstances that are implied.
 
2012-07-05 02:34:00 PM  
this should be a program, like lunch for kids. your daughters would all be happier if your sons already had a young lady to teach them the dance steps. kids love to fark, its fun. minimize the virgin jitters and it's win-win.
 
2012-07-05 02:36:05 PM  
It's just sooo sad about how that kid suffered.
 
2012-07-05 02:37:40 PM  
How do these teachers keep getting caught, and why do we waste time trying to catch them? I mean, I understand in the case of ugly old trolls that maybe the teachers really did pressure the students into something, but this girl is pretty cute and I have a hard time believing that she forced the student to do anything he didn't want to do.

The truth is, 14-15 is about when people naturally become sexually active, and it's high time we stop pretending as though that's somehow wrong. Yeah, some people at that age still look childlike, but just as many don't. Different people develop at different rates, so having a single, immovable, unilateral rule is absurd and will inevitably lead to miscarriages of justice in the numerous places where the law and the reality of the situation inevitably don't quite match up.

And in the end, who cares anyway? It's just sex. Why do we live in a society that places such a taboo on something so wonderful and happy, while practically fetishizing violence of every conceivable kind? Sex with the teacher is bad, but killing people in video games is ok?

(Not that I want to sound anti-videogame, because I'm not, but that's a discussion for another time.)
 
2012-07-05 02:38:01 PM  

Ordinary Genius: Savage Bacon: falcon444: Silly Jesus:
Simple physics. A female can't really rape a male that's not aroused. She was aroused, he was aroused. It doesn't work the same the other way.

Arousal, sure, as it's a mechanical reaction, but what about consciousness?

/Roofies + Viagra = Ride'em, Cowgirl!
//also, strap-ons
///yes, I realize that this wasn't the case in this situation, but a woman can most definitely rape a man

I don't want to white-knight or anything, but he's technically not wrong for the circumstances that are implied.


In what world does arousal == consent?
 
2012-07-05 02:38:43 PM  
Also I'd just like to add that, if I'd had the chance to bang a hot teacher, I'd definitely have wanted to do it in her classroom. So I understand the appeal.
 
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