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2012-07-05 10:22:44 AM
Technologists like these can bounce from Google to Facebook to a start-up in the span of only a few years, grabbing stock, bonuses and raises on each jump.

no secret.
 
2012-07-05 11:18:47 AM
This is surprising?
 
2012-07-05 12:42:51 PM
Shortage of skilled labor means great compensation for those with the skills, News at 11
 
2012-07-05 12:45:37 PM
The free dry cleaning and BBQ is pretty awesome. The only question is if they're offering those services because the idea is you never leave their little venue to do anything else. My brother was at Google (and is now with Apple) and they offered free dinner to the entire family. The deal was though your family comes, has dinner with you, and leaves. You stay at work. By stocking the campus with benefits they're just trying you into working there more.
 
2012-07-05 12:53:06 PM

ha-ha-guy: The free dry cleaning and BBQ is pretty awesome. The only question is if they're offering those services because the idea is you never leave their little venue to do anything else. My brother was at Google (and is now with Apple) and they offered free dinner to the entire family. The deal was though your family comes, has dinner with you, and leaves. You stay at work. By stocking the campus with benefits they're just trying you into working there more.


My buddy JE makes a gazillion dollars a year at Google, but has no time for anything else. We were on vacation about 6 weeks ago with some friends, and he had to spend sometimes half a day in meetings.

Ditto my buddy Dave, who was a PM at Microsoft for 3 years. Made enough to take a 2-year sabbatical - at 28 - to write a book.

// and then there's Muffin, who didn't realize he was a millionaire until someone asked him about Facebook's IPO - he's had company stock for years
 
2012-07-05 12:53:28 PM
But, hey, let's keep stripping our schools of classes that would teach the kinds of skills that are in such high demand...
 
2012-07-05 12:56:35 PM

ha-ha-guy: The free dry cleaning and BBQ is pretty awesome. The only question is if they're offering those services because the idea is you never leave their little venue to do anything else. My brother was at Google (and is now with Apple) and they offered free dinner to the entire family. The deal was though your family comes, has dinner with you, and leaves. You stay at work. By stocking the campus with benefits they're just trying you into working there more.


ha-ha-guy: The free dry cleaning and BBQ is pretty awesome. The only question is if they're offering those services because the idea is you never leave their little venue to do anything else. My brother was at Google (and is now with Apple) and they offered free dinner to the entire family. The deal was though your family comes, has dinner with you, and leaves. You stay at work. By stocking the campus with benefits they're just trying you into working there more.


^ THIS ^

Wal-Mart - a company that measures the value of every single damn action, supplies a subsidized cafeteria in Bentonville (WM HQ). Why? because the ROI of having co-workers on site, eating lunch together far outweighs the cost of providing the service. If you stay on site, you're more likely to stay with your co-workers, and keep talking about work and producing during lunch, and WMT measured, and found it to be true.

The gourmet chefs, dry cleaning services, bring your dog, here have a gameroom, are all ploys to keep your ass at work, and squeezing more production out of you for the cost of some Nerf guns.
 
2012-07-05 12:58:53 PM
Yeah, just look at the Labor Departments numbers.

If you have a 4 year degree, you're asking yourself "What problem finding a job"

Link

i457.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-05 12:59:56 PM

timujin: But, hey, let's keep stripping our schools of classes that would teach the kinds of skills that are in such high demand...


Most of us would rather strip the colleges of all the useless crap so that more people would learn these kinds of skills.
 
2012-07-05 01:01:26 PM

timujin: But, hey, let's keep stripping our schools of classes that would teach the kinds of skills that are in such high demand...


It's not so much the skills that are in high demand, it's the intelligence. Or at least the ability to get into Stanford, as opposed to say, Utah State. Which may be a lousy proxy for intelligence, but hey, you've gotta go with something.
 
2012-07-05 01:09:42 PM

PowerSlacker: timujin: But, hey, let's keep stripping our schools of classes that would teach the kinds of skills that are in such high demand...

Most of us would rather strip the colleges of all the useless crap so that more people would learn these kinds of skills.


And here we go with the "If it ain't STEM, it's CRAP" crowd. Because every business major ends up working for a financial services company (or for the Finance department of some other company) and English majors all flip burgers.

// ask the people you work with what their degrees are in
// unless you're in a specialized field, chances are that you'll get 5 different answers from any group of 10 coworkers
 
2012-07-05 01:11:42 PM

meat0918: Yeah, just look at the Labor Departments numbers.

If you have a 4 year degree, you're asking yourself "What problem finding a job"

Link

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Interesting stats on the value of an associates degree vs. HS diploma.

/works at a community college
 
2012-07-05 01:14:10 PM

rumpelstiltskin: Or at least the ability to get into Stanford, as opposed to say, Utah State. Which may be a lousy proxy for intelligence, but hey, you've gotta go with something.


The ability to get into Stanford has as much to do with your gender and skin color as it does with your intelligence, based on my anecdotal evidence. Intelligence isn't one of Stanford's highest priorities.

/not a cool story bro
 
2012-07-05 01:17:32 PM

Dr Dreidel: PowerSlacker: timujin: But, hey, let's keep stripping our schools of classes that would teach the kinds of skills that are in such high demand...

Most of us would rather strip the colleges of all the useless crap so that more people would learn these kinds of skills.

And here we go with the "If it ain't STEM, it's CRAP" crowd. Because every business major ends up working for a financial services company (or for the Finance department of some other company) and English majors all flip burgers.

// ask the people you work with what their degrees are in
// unless you're in a specialized field, chances are that you'll get 5 different answers from any group of 10 coworkers


In my primary friend group, I know someone with a physics degree working as a janitor at a Cost Co and one with a business degree cashiering at a gas station.

/degrees can affect success
//but not as much as the degree holder
 
2012-07-05 01:27:20 PM
If you have a 4 year degree, you're asking yourself "What problem finding a job"

lol, wut?
Depends on what your degree is in. If it is in software design, you are golden. My (advanced) degree is in physics. No-one knows what to do with a physicist.

Most of us are idiots who would rather strip the colleges of all the useless crap so that more people would learn these kinds of skills.that makes people well rounded and capable of thinking about problems from a number of points of view.

FTFY
 
2012-07-05 01:35:58 PM

PowerSlacker: rumpelstiltskin: Or at least the ability to get into Stanford, as opposed to say, Utah State. Which may be a lousy proxy for intelligence, but hey, you've gotta go with something.

The ability to get into Stanford has as much to do with your gender and skin color as it does with your intelligence, based on my anecdotal evidence. Intelligence isn't one of Stanford's highest priorities.

/not a cool story bro


Or maybe you're just not as smart as you think you are, bro.
 
2012-07-05 01:45:23 PM

NotARocketScientist: If you have a 4 year degree, you're asking yourself "What problem finding a job"

lol, wut?
Depends on what your degree is in. If it is in software design, you are golden. My (advanced) degree is in physics. No-one knows what to do with a physicist.


You're right. The only people we work with that have those backgrounds have doctorates. They were hired mostly based on their thesis work. Nuke, EO, and LASINT related specialties were big. They research the theory, someone builds it and I coded for it. Then someone else uses it for analysis.
 
2012-07-05 01:48:09 PM
i find it hilarious that options are mentioned as a major perk at Zynga, as Zynga has shown that it cannot be trusted in giving out stock options

"oh sorry, we changed the goalposts for stock options and applied it retroactively. give your options back or you're fired"
 
2012-07-05 01:48:30 PM

ha-ha-guy: By stocking the campus with benefits they're just trying you into working there more.


People say this as if it's some revelation you're getting screwed. I WISH more companies would do this. America's infrastructure is built around the material costs of doing business, which results in a lot of off-the-book inefficiency. Japanese companies will work you a lot of hours, but they will do everything from provide on-site meals to subsidizing transportation. In one case a bunch of companies leveraged their influence to get a traffic bottleneck cleared up. Commute time for a 7-mile route dropped from 2 hours to 30 minutes. They didn't do it to be charitable; it didn't make sense for engineering firms to stand by as their workers showed up exhausted.

What do big companies in America do? Use their political weight to get. . . tax breaks. Some of the biggest tech names in the world in the Seattle area and I-405 is still a hellhole. I get the rationale that they can always relocate, but they invariable locate to the place with the lowest property costs and biggest tax breaks -- commute time isn't even on the list. I understand that companies don't care, but do these companies think they're not losing productivity when they don't do shiat about their workers spending 1/4 of their waking hours in traffic jams?

NotARocketScientist: No-one knows what to do with a physicist.


"If I can pass quantum mechanics, I can probably figure out how to do the job," gets me about a 50% rate of turning interviews into offers, even for jobs I'm not qualified for.
 
2012-07-05 01:53:31 PM

PowerSlacker: The ability to get into Stanford has as much to do with your gender and skin color as it does with your intelligence, based on my anecdotal evidence. Intelligence isn't one of Stanford's highest priorities.


You sound bitter and male and white.
 
2012-07-05 02:04:02 PM
Yeah this will last.
 
2012-07-05 02:05:56 PM

dragonchild: "If I can pass quantum mechanics, I can probably figure out how to do the job," gets me about a 50% rate of turning interviews into offers, even for jobs I'm not qualified for.


Seriously? What kind of jobs?
 
2012-07-05 02:10:49 PM

poot_rootbeer: Intelligence isn't one of Stanford's highest priorities.

You sound bitter and male and white.


The guy does sound bitter, but I do have to say that Stanford's admissions process seems to involve a number of strange decisions. I went to a highly regarded public school (yes you dittoheads you read that right) in the PacNW, so Stanford was a realistic goal for a number of my classmates. While this was over 15 years ago, their admissions indeed seemed to have almost nothing to do with intelligence. They accepted one girl who was the crotchfruit of Stanford alumni; they also offered a scholarship to our band drummer who was widely regarded as the best in the state. Yeah she would've been a feather in the cap of a music school but Stanford didn't have much to offer her except their name. But IIRC they rejected the applicants that had overall solid, if otherwise bland, cred sheets. FWIW our knowledge bowl team members typically scored over 1450 on the SAT, won the state championship and none of them were accepted into Stanford.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but it seems legacy and novelty mean more to them than GPA and SAT scores. That said, the guy sounds bitter because race and gender seemed to have little to do with their admissions process either.
 
2012-07-05 02:13:09 PM

Lost Thought 00: Shortage of skilled labor means great compensation for those with the skills, News at 11


YUUUUP

And it's not just out in the land of make-believe. The past four times I've jumped I've gone up around 15% each time. You don't have to go work at Googlebook to get the money.

Although things like a Barbecue Shack and wave pools might make me consider living in Nor Cal. That kinda stuff I think I would enjoy.
 
2012-07-05 02:21:03 PM

poot_rootbeer: PowerSlacker: The ability to get into Stanford has as much to do with your gender and skin color as it does with your intelligence, based on my anecdotal evidence. Intelligence isn't one of Stanford's highest priorities.

You sound bitter and male and white.


Fixed for you.

It worked out well for me. I wouldn't have been a good fit.
 
2012-07-05 02:23:41 PM

dragonchild: Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but it seems legacy and novelty mean more to them than GPA and SAT scores. That said, the guy sounds bitter because race and gender seemed to have little to do with their admissions process either.


For what it's worth, a black female from my school with inferior GPA and SAT scores was accepted to Stanford the year before. Coming from a small town in the Northwest, it was pretty clear to know why it went down the way it did.

I was thrilled for her by the way. She fit in very well there and done great things with her life. Sorry I came across as bitter when I all I wanted to do was relay some lame anecdotal evidence demonstrating that intelligence isn't high among Stanford's priorities.
 
2012-07-05 02:37:18 PM
My uncle worked for Xerox in El Segundo for 30+ years, so it's not like there isn't a tech presence in L.A.
 
2012-07-05 02:38:57 PM
You mean.... a GED isn't really good-enough?
 
2012-07-05 02:39:38 PM

What do big companies in America do? Use their political weight to get. . . tax breaks. Some of the biggest tech names in the world in the Seattle area and I-405 is still a hellhole. I get the rationale that they can always relocate, but they invariable locate to the place with the lowest property costs and biggest tax breaks -- commute time isn't even on the list. I understand that companies don't care, but do these companies think they're not losing productivity when they don't do shiat about their workers spending 1/4 of their waking hours in traffic jams?


Your profile says Boston but here you are biatching about I-405 and Seattle traffic. Guess what. Another effing noob getting here to work in a tech company and wanting the town to pick up the slack. Hey genius, they have apartments right next to Microsoft campus, thousands of them. Rent one. Or townhomes in Kirkland. Buy one. Get off the highway because you just had to live in Capitol Hill or Belltown and now want a fricken 10 minute commute like you had in Cambridge.
 
2012-07-05 02:42:57 PM

dragonchild: poot_rootbeer: Intelligence isn't one of Stanford's highest priorities.

You sound bitter and male and white.

The guy does sound bitter, but I do have to say that Stanford's admissions process seems to involve a number of strange decisions. I went to a highly regarded public school (yes you dittoheads you read that right) in the PacNW, so Stanford was a realistic goal for a number of my classmates. While this was over 15 years ago, their admissions indeed seemed to have almost nothing to do with intelligence. They accepted one girl who was the crotchfruit of Stanford alumni; they also offered a scholarship to our band drummer who was widely regarded as the best in the state. Yeah she would've been a feather in the cap of a music school but Stanford didn't have much to offer her except their name. But IIRC they rejected the applicants that had overall solid, if otherwise bland, cred sheets. FWIW our knowledge bowl team members typically scored over 1450 on the SAT, won the state championship and none of them were accepted into Stanford.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but it seems legacy and novelty mean more to them than GPA and SAT scores. That said, the guy sounds bitter because race and gender seemed to have little to do with their admissions process either.


Schools get to admit whom they want, when they want. To truly get back to 1960s nirvana where everyone got free education and life was full of opportunity for all, we'd have to build something like 2 or 3 times the college capacity we have now. The world now sends its kids to our education system in numbers they never used to. This is unfortunate for Americans, but its your own damn parents who have whined for the last 20 years about their taxes and how we must cut them. Blame them, they are the ones who have pulled the rug out from under you precious snowflakes.
 
2012-07-05 02:43:13 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: dragonchild: "If I can pass quantum mechanics, I can probably figure out how to do the job," gets me about a 50% rate of turning interviews into offers, even for jobs I'm not qualified for.

Seriously? What kind of jobs?


He has no troubles finding a job in either the house keeping or food service industries.

/Perfect quote for that question.
//Had to use it.
///I'm sure he's quit better jobs than that..
 
2012-07-05 02:43:22 PM

Generation_D: Guess what. Another effing noob getting here to work in a tech company and wanting the town to pick up the slack. Hey genius, they have apartments right next to Microsoft campus, thousands of them. Rent one.


Wouldn't that technically be considered "camping the respawn"?

/seriously ... "noob"?
 
2012-07-05 02:44:07 PM

Generation_D: Your profile says Boston but here you are biatching about I-405 and Seattle traffic. . . Get off the highway because you just had to live in Capitol Hill or Belltown and now want a fricken 10 minute commute like you had in Cambridge.


I'm a PacNW native who lives and works in Boston, so, congrats on getting your assumptions exactly backwards.
 
2012-07-05 02:45:52 PM

Generation_D: What do big companies in America do? Use their political weight to get. . . tax breaks. Some of the biggest tech names in the world in the Seattle area and I-405 is still a hellhole. I get the rationale that they can always relocate, but they invariable locate to the place with the lowest property costs and biggest tax breaks -- commute time isn't even on the list. I understand that companies don't care, but do these companies think they're not losing productivity when they don't do shiat about their workers spending 1/4 of their waking hours in traffic jams?

Your profile says Boston but here you are biatching about I-405 and Seattle traffic. Guess what. Another effing noob getting here to work in a tech company and wanting the town to pick up the slack. Hey genius, they have apartments right next to Microsoft campus, thousands of them. Rent one. Or townhomes in Kirkland. Buy one. Get off the highway because you just had to live in Capitol Hill or Belltown and now want a fricken 10 minute commute like you had in Cambridge.


Uh, he doesn't live in Seattle, but is from around there so he knows what he is talking about. He lives in Boston area now. And there's no way in hell there's a 10 minute commute to Cambridge unless you live IN Cambridge. Boston traffic isn't all sunshine and roses jackass.
 
2012-07-05 03:02:56 PM

StrikitRich: My uncle worked for Xerox in El Segundo for 30+ years, so it's not like there isn't a tech presence in L.A.


I know a guy who left his wallet in El Segundo.
 
2012-07-05 03:03:26 PM

Dr Dreidel: ha-ha-guy: The free dry cleaning and BBQ is pretty awesome. The only question is if they're offering those services because the idea is you never leave their little venue to do anything else. My brother was at Google (and is now with Apple) and they offered free dinner to the entire family. The deal was though your family comes, has dinner with you, and leaves. You stay at work. By stocking the campus with benefits they're just trying you into working there more.

My buddy JE makes a gazillion dollars a year at Google, but has no time for anything else. We were on vacation about 6 weeks ago with some friends, and he had to spend sometimes half a day in meetings.

Ditto my buddy Dave, who was a PM at Microsoft for 3 years. Made enough to take a 2-year sabbatical - at 28 - to write a book.

// and then there's Muffin, who didn't realize he was a millionaire until someone asked him about Facebook's IPO - he's had company stock for years


I saw "JE at Google", wondered if it was JEH, and then saw your thing about Muffin. We know the same people.

DBP or ABT?
 
2012-07-05 03:05:28 PM

regindyn: Interesting stats on the value of an associates degree vs. HS diploma.

/works at a community college


If I may advocate on behalf of the devil: I wonder what the offset rate is of bachelor degree holders slumming it in jobs that were meant for associates degree holders, but I suppose you could counter with how many bachelor degree'd english majors are sitting on all the high school kids' starbucks jobs too.

/graduate of what you in the states would refer to as a community college
//sitting in a bachelor degree's job, suck it bachelor degree!
 
2012-07-05 03:07:20 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Seriously? What kind of jobs?


Getting past the derpy gatekeepers in HR is a skill by itself, but if you manage that, then hiring managers in IT are generally forgiving of lack of knowledge. Most companies aren't necessarily looking for the best coder on the planet; they want someone who can learn their system so they're more interested in capacity to learn -- that's where the "I studied physics" line comes in. They may want you to showcase that capacity to learn by making a simple program in a language you've never used, but that's just an opportunity to prove you meant what you said.
 
2012-07-05 03:07:57 PM

the_vicious_fez: Dr Dreidel: ha-ha-guy: The free dry cleaning and BBQ is pretty awesome. The only question is if they're offering those services because the idea is you never leave their little venue to do anything else. My brother was at Google (and is now with Apple) and they offered free dinner to the entire family. The deal was though your family comes, has dinner with you, and leaves. You stay at work. By stocking the campus with benefits they're just trying you into working there more.

My buddy JE makes a gazillion dollars a year at Google, but has no time for anything else. We were on vacation about 6 weeks ago with some friends, and he had to spend sometimes half a day in meetings.

Ditto my buddy Dave, who was a PM at Microsoft for 3 years. Made enough to take a 2-year sabbatical - at 28 - to write a book.

// and then there's Muffin, who didn't realize he was a millionaire until someone asked him about Facebook's IPO - he's had company stock for years

I saw "JE at Google", wondered if it was JEH, and then saw your thing about Muffin. We know the same people.

DBPDPB or ABT?


FTFM
 
2012-07-05 03:11:17 PM

BumpInTheNight: regindyn: Interesting stats on the value of an associates degree vs. HS diploma.

/works at a community college

If I may advocate on behalf of the devil: I wonder what the offset rate is of bachelor degree holders slumming it in jobs that were meant for associates degree holders, but I suppose you could counter with how many bachelor degree'd english majors are sitting on all the high school kids' starbucks jobs too.

/graduate of what you in the states would refer to as a community college
//sitting in a bachelor degree's job, suck it bachelor degree!


I guess it does say "some college or associates degree" so all the college dropouts are lumped in, which I'm sure plays some havoc with the numbers. Plus the participation rate is much higher, so while the unemployment's similar, more of the people in this group are actually working.
 
2012-07-05 03:16:58 PM

StrikitRich: My uncle worked for Xerox in El Segundo for 30+ years, so it's not like there isn't a tech presence in L.A.


www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2012-07-05 03:25:37 PM

dumbobruni: i find it hilarious that options are mentioned as a major perk at Zynga, as Zynga has shown that it cannot be trusted in giving out stock options

"oh sorry, we changed the goalposts for stock options and applied it retroactively. give your options back or you're fired"


Zynga was started by a known con-artist (Mark Pincus, who stole money from his previous venture, Tribe.net, to found Zynga.) People who work there should have known what they were getting into when they signed up. I can't be too sympathetic to those who take a job without researching the company first.

Secondly, what Zynga said wasn't "sorry, we changed the goalposts." It was "Zynga is a meritocracy." In other words, Pincus is literally saying that he's taking stock back from his employees because he's smarter than them. Why stop at stealing when you can also insult your victims' intelligence at the same time?
 
2012-07-05 03:26:10 PM

the_vicious_fez: Dr Dreidel: ha-ha-guy: The free dry cleaning and BBQ is pretty awesome. The only question is if they're offering those services because the idea is you never leave their little venue to do anything else. My brother was at Google (and is now with Apple) and they offered free dinner to the entire family. The deal was though your family comes, has dinner with you, and leaves. You stay at work. By stocking the campus with benefits they're just trying you into working there more.

My buddy JE makes a gazillion dollars a year at Google, but has no time for anything else. We were on vacation about 6 weeks ago with some friends, and he had to spend sometimes half a day in meetings.

Ditto my buddy Dave, who was a PM at Microsoft for 3 years. Made enough to take a 2-year sabbatical - at 28 - to write a book.

// and then there's Muffin, who didn't realize he was a millionaire until someone asked him about Facebook's IPO - he's had company stock for years

I saw "JE at Google", wondered if it was JEH, and then saw your thing about Muffin. We know the same people.

DBP or ABT?


"DBP"

// and let's leave it at that or everyone will want one
// see you at the beach?
 
2012-07-05 03:28:25 PM

MrEricSir: dumbobruni: i find it hilarious that options are mentioned as a major perk at Zynga, as Zynga has shown that it cannot be trusted in giving out stock options

"oh sorry, we changed the goalposts for stock options and applied it retroactively. give your options back or you're fired"

Zynga was started by a known con-artist (Mark Pincus, who stole money from his previous venture, Tribe.net, to found Zynga.) People who work there should have known what they were getting into when they signed up. I can't be too sympathetic to those who take a job without researching the company first.


Wait, so did he ever get punished in some way for stealing that money?
 
2012-07-05 03:30:50 PM

Dr Dreidel: the_vicious_fez: Dr Dreidel: ha-ha-guy: The free dry cleaning and BBQ is pretty awesome. The only question is if they're offering those services because the idea is you never leave their little venue to do anything else. My brother was at Google (and is now with Apple) and they offered free dinner to the entire family. The deal was though your family comes, has dinner with you, and leaves. You stay at work. By stocking the campus with benefits they're just trying you into working there more.

My buddy JE makes a gazillion dollars a year at Google, but has no time for anything else. We were on vacation about 6 weeks ago with some friends, and he had to spend sometimes half a day in meetings.

Ditto my buddy Dave, who was a PM at Microsoft for 3 years. Made enough to take a 2-year sabbatical - at 28 - to write a book.

// and then there's Muffin, who didn't realize he was a millionaire until someone asked him about Facebook's IPO - he's had company stock for years

I saw "JE at Google", wondered if it was JEH, and then saw your thing about Muffin. We know the same people.

DBP or ABT?

"DBP"

// and let's leave it at that or everyone will want one
// see you at the beach?


Agreed.

No beach for me. I'm not that cool. Enjoy it though :)
 
2012-07-05 03:54:52 PM

TheSelphie: Wait, so did he ever get punished in some way for stealing that money?


Excuse me while I laugh uncontrollably.
 
2012-07-05 03:59:12 PM

MrEricSir: TheSelphie: Wait, so did he ever get punished in some way for stealing that money?

Excuse me while I laugh uncontrollably.


I was assuming he didn't, but I just wanted to make sure.
 
2012-07-05 04:02:09 PM

the_vicious_fez: Dr Dreidel: "DBP"

// and let's leave it at that or everyone will want one
// see you at the beach?

Agreed.

No beach for me. I'm not that cool. Enjoy it though :)


I suppose there's a chance we've met (or even have spoken, if you use the FB chat thinger). And we miss you at the beach.
 
2012-07-05 04:05:05 PM
Problem with getting tech jobs is you first have to pass through the draconian HR departments handling the applications and resumes, who filter candidates by, more often than not, ridiculous or irrelevant criteria to the job posting. It's not always a lack of skilled labor availability, but archaic hiring practices still being held on to by firms and an unwillingness to train.
 
2012-07-05 04:15:47 PM

SultanofSchwing: Problem with getting tech jobs is you first have to pass through the draconian HR departments handling the applications and resumes, who filter candidates by, more often than not, ridiculous or irrelevant criteria to the job posting. It's not always a lack of skilled labor availability, but archaic hiring practices still being held on to by firms and an unwillingness to train.


Not to mention, they always throw minorities at you, qualified or not, and you have to justify why they aren't qualified for the job.
 
2012-07-05 04:59:12 PM

Cinaed: You mean.... a GED isn't really good-enough?


A GED can be quite essential. It saved me having to pay hundreds of dollars to get old foreign transcripts of exams sent to the US so I could be told they will not be accepted to cover courses. Instead it took me an hour orientation and two hours of testing and I earned a shiny GED to go next to my British bachelor's degree so I could take some courses in US colleges.
 
2012-07-05 05:01:09 PM

dragonchild: poot_rootbeer: Intelligence isn't one of Stanford's highest priorities.

You sound bitter and male and white.

The guy does sound bitter, but I do have to say that Stanford's admissions process seems to involve a number of strange decisions. I went to a highly regarded public school (yes you dittoheads you read that right) in the PacNW, so Stanford was a realistic goal for a number of my classmates. While this was over 15 years ago, their admissions indeed seemed to have almost nothing to do with intelligence. They accepted one girl who was the crotchfruit of Stanford alumni; they also offered a scholarship to our band drummer who was widely regarded as the best in the state. Yeah she would've been a feather in the cap of a music school but Stanford didn't have much to offer her except their name. But IIRC they rejected the applicants that had overall solid, if otherwise bland, cred sheets. FWIW our knowledge bowl team members typically scored over 1450 on the SAT, won the state championship and none of them were accepted into Stanford.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but it seems legacy and novelty mean more to them than GPA and SAT scores. That said, the guy sounds bitter because race and gender seemed to have little to do with their admissions process either.


And yet Chelsea Clinton got into Stanford?
 
2012-07-05 05:03:51 PM

dragonchild: Getting past the derpy gatekeepers in HR is a skill by itself


^
they don't even read resumes anymore, they plug criteria into hiring software that does retarded shiat like create charts based on how many times a word appears in a resume.

If you're hiring in IT, you need to know what software your HR people are using, and how they're using it, or you end up with a lack of candidates because too many have been filtered by tools that aren't being used properly.
 
2012-07-05 05:04:39 PM

dragonchild: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Seriously? What kind of jobs?

Getting past the derpy gatekeepers in HR is a skill by itself, but if you manage that, then hiring managers in IT are generally forgiving of lack of knowledge. Most companies aren't necessarily looking for the best coder on the planet; they want someone who can learn their system so they're more interested in capacity to learn -- that's where the "I studied physics" line comes in. They may want you to showcase that capacity to learn by making a simple program in a language you've never used, but that's just an opportunity to prove you meant what you said.


Not when you can hire an H1-b instead, they are the best coders in the planet.
 
2012-07-05 05:11:31 PM

ha-ha-guy: The free dry cleaning and BBQ is pretty awesome. The only question is if they're offering those services because the idea is you never leave their little venue to do anything else. My brother was at Google (and is now with Apple) and they offered free dinner to the entire family. The deal was though your family comes, has dinner with you, and leaves. You stay at work. By stocking the campus with benefits they're just trying you into working there more.


I don't see why people say this like it's a bad thing. My company has a cafe in my building a minute from my office. I can go there, get food, go back to my office and resume work or reading Fark or whatever.

The alternative is walking 10 minutes to my car, driving to some food place that's probably not any better, and spending twice as much money. Offering the onsite food is good for both me and the company.
 
2012-07-05 05:18:19 PM

Dr Dreidel: PowerSlacker: timujin: But, hey, let's keep stripping our schools of classes that would teach the kinds of skills that are in such high demand...

Most of us would rather strip the colleges of all the useless crap so that more people would learn these kinds of skills.

And here we go with the "If it ain't STEM, it's CRAP" crowd. Because every business major ends up working for a financial services company (or for the Finance department of some other company) and English majors all flip burgers.

// ask the people you work with what their degrees are in
// unless you're in a specialized field, chances are that you'll get 5 different answers from any group of 10 coworkers


Simple. Engineer, engineer, engineer, computer specialist, engineer etc...
 
2012-07-05 05:22:36 PM
Flying out there next week for an interview so I'm getting a kick.
 
2012-07-05 05:24:10 PM

asdfbeau: dragonchild: Getting past the derpy gatekeepers in HR is a skill by itself

^
they don't even read resumes anymore, they plug criteria into hiring software that does retarded shiat like create charts based on how many times a word appears in a resume.

If you're hiring in IT, you need to know what software your HR people are using, and how they're using it, or you end up with a lack of candidates because too many have been filtered by tools that aren't being used properly.


No. You need to know a contact within the company that can forward your resume directly to the hiring manager or go in via "contract to hire" which bypasses the normal HR process. I haven't going through HR first on any job in the last 15 years.
 
2012-07-05 06:02:47 PM

ha-ha-guy: The free dry cleaning and BBQ is pretty awesome. The only question is if they're offering those services because the idea is you never leave their little venue to do anything else.


Absolutely. I never understood this crap. It never hightened my morale or whatever. I want to work at work, that's it. Yeah, sure, maybe take a break and shoot the shiat with some co-workers. But beyond that, I want to do everything else outside of work.
 
2012-07-05 06:06:27 PM
As an IT manager looking for an excuse to move to the South Bay, MUHAHAHA.

/give me a relo package that lets me afford a house somewhere up in the redwoods, let me telecommute a couple days a week, and I'm your biatch.
 
2012-07-05 07:32:05 PM
It won't last. This is the same Silicon Valley where "60 Minutes" did its piece on "99'ers" back in the fall of 2010.

IT employers are more fickle than a 12-year-old school girl. The moment that things start to look bad, they'll dump all the perks AND their highest-paid talent, and not think a thing about it.

Get it while the getting's good, folks.
 
2012-07-05 08:54:47 PM

Jclark666: As an IT manager looking for an excuse to move to the South Bay, MUHAHAHA.

/give me a relo package that lets me afford a house somewhere up in the redwoods, let me telecommute a couple days a week, and I'm your biatch.


www.patriotresource.com

'In your dreams general.'
 
2012-07-05 09:18:40 PM

meat0918: Yeah, just look at the Labor Departments numbers.

If you have a 4 year degree, you're asking yourself "What problem finding a job"
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Considering I just graduated a week ago, this is encouraging. Though so far, I've applied to 20 jobs and had ONE callback letting me know I made it through HR and was being forwarded to the hiring manager.

dragonchild:NotARocketScientist: No-one knows what to do with a physicist.

"If I can pass quantum mechanics, I can probably figure out how to do the job," gets me about a 50% rate of turning interviews into offers, even for jobs I'm not qualified for.


I hope you don't mind that my lack of creativity is telling me to steal this quote. It's farking true.

And if anyone is looking, I'm a solid C/C++/Java/PHP/Web programmer with a BS in Physics (essentially I knew programming would be the breadwinner, but I love the problems in Physics and I find computer languages come all too easily to pay for a degree in CS) and willing to relocate. I understand RDBMS (specifically MySQL) almost to a T and Joins and pivot tables are my biatch. Unlike most CS majors I can work from command line in Linux and/or Windows. Some guy at Teradyne refused to take my resume because (his words): "Physics majors have a hard time understanding Object Oriented Programming" at which point I laughed my ass off and didn't give him my resume.
 
2012-07-05 09:29:11 PM

arenaninja: meat0918: Yeah, just look at the Labor Departments numbers.

If you have a 4 year degree, you're asking yourself "What problem finding a job"
[i457.photobucket.com image 640x474]

Considering I just graduated a week ago, this is encouraging. Though so far, I've applied to 20 jobs and had ONE callback letting me know I made it through HR and was being forwarded to the hiring manager.

dragonchild:NotARocketScientist: No-one knows what to do with a physicist.

"If I can pass quantum mechanics, I can probably figure out how to do the job," gets me about a 50% rate of turning interviews into offers, even for jobs I'm not qualified for.

I hope you don't mind that my lack of creativity is telling me to steal this quote. It's farking true.

And if anyone is looking, I'm a solid C/C++/Java/PHP/Web programmer with a BS in Physics (essentially I knew programming would be the breadwinner, but I love the problems in Physics and I find computer languages come all too easily to pay for a degree in CS) and willing to relocate. I understand RDBMS (specifically MySQL) almost to a T and Joins and pivot tables are my biatch. Unlike most CS majors I can work from command line in Linux and/or Windows. Some guy at Teradyne refused to take my resume because (his words): "Physics majors have a hard time understanding Object Oriented Programming" at which point I laughed my ass off and didn't give him my resume.


Would you happen to be in the nyc area, are you comfortable with statistics and have a basic grasp of machine learning and prediction algos in general, and are you interested in working for a funded startup that might pay a little less than a "real" job but would put you as employee 1, 2, or 3?

If so, eip. I should start making hiring decisions by eom.
 
2012-07-06 12:12:18 AM

asdfbeau: dragonchild: Getting past the derpy gatekeepers in HR is a skill by itself

^
they don't even read resumes anymore, they plug criteria into hiring software that does retarded shiat like create charts based on how many times a word appears in a resume.

If you're hiring in IT, you need to know what software your HR people are using, and how they're using it, or you end up with a lack of candidates because too many have been filtered by tools that aren't being used properly.


Here's an idea... go to HR, grab the little weasel who runs it by the collar, and tell them to send you people. Do not pass go, do not run their resumes' through any software, just send the resumes' to you if there are programming, art (websites), or coding skills of any kind anywhere on the page - even recent college graduates.

Make them do some farking work for once instead of picking their ass and gossiping with facebook chat all day.

/one of my old art directors had to do this
//after 4 months trying to fill one graphic designer position
///and only 3 interviews
////hired someone that week
 
2012-07-06 12:37:39 AM
I don't think there's a realistic amount you could pay me to work at Zynga or Facebook.

/if they want to pay me seven figures for showing up I'll totally sell out.
 
2012-07-06 03:18:40 AM
I say forget the big corporations and start your own company. There is an emerging tech scene in Socal (Santa Monica/Venice, San Diego), why be just another tech worker in an already saturated scene, when you can be somewhere where you can build something of your own and be innovators in a new scene. Beach is nice too.

Getting free food is cute, but nothing beats working for yourself.
 
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2012-07-06 04:58:13 AM

dragonchild: What do big companies in America do? Use their political weight to get. . . tax breaks. Some of the biggest tech names in the world in the Seattle area and I-405 is still a hellhole. I get the rationale that they can always relocate, but they invariable locate to the place with the lowest property costs and biggest tax breaks -- commute time isn't even on the list. I understand that companies don't care, but do these companies think they're not losing productivity when they don't do shiat about their workers spending 1/4 of their waking hours in traffic jams?


Apple, Facebook and Google all run Wi-Fi equipped coaches for their employees that commute, there's no lost productivity, there's usually a gain. And all three are buying more buses, Facebook doesn't even have a choice in the matter. The city of Menlo Park has capped the amount of daily vehicle trips to and from their HQ, if they want to shoe horn more employees in, they have to get them out of their cars. Not to mention that they're already out of parking, and Google isn't much better off.
 
2012-07-06 05:07:05 AM

StrikitRich: My uncle worked for Xerox in El Segundo for 30+ years, so it's not like there isn't a tech presence in L.A.


He sounds old.

There was a lot of defence/aerospace in LA and OC, and still is, though it downsized quite a bit after the fall of the berlin wall and the Russkies went home. Northrop Gruman, Boeing, Hughes and other big spy satellite companies were/are still there. But a lot of that has given way to second tier .coms and the online portals of other industries which are in LA, primarily the film and music industry.

I worked in .coms in LA and santa Monica. While there is a presence there, its primarily the online/web arm of the pre-existing entertainment companies. Disney Sony Paramount etc.

There are a number of .coms there, and myspace is/was there, Y! had a large campus there which blew away mostly at this point, google still has a sizeable presence in santa Monica as well. Lessee... what else... EA has a big campus, direct tv, lowermybills/Experian interactive, kbb.com, carsdirect and all those "internet brands" companies... theres a decent amount of work there, sure. There are tech companies, but nothing like Silicon Valley. The "start up scene" and all the companies driving tech are not in LA. They have offices down there, but most of its SF and the SF peninsula.

Most importantly tho, despite the cost of living being more or less the same as SF, you get paid slightly less in LA. People still seem to be of the impression that the Bay Area is more expensive than Los Angeles, which is sadly no longer the case. Sure you can cherry pick neighborhoods, but basically I think theyre the same, yet at least in my industry you get about 20k more on average id say.
 
2012-07-06 08:26:12 AM
One of m my coworkers left for google last week. We were pretty relentless with the teasing about how he was going to get soft and lose his mojo because of all the perks, but it was just because we all wish we are good enough to get hired by them. I heard a couple of people tried to sneak into his luggage.
 
2012-07-06 01:38:44 PM

rewind2846: Here's an idea... go to HR, grab the little weasel who runs it by the collar, and tell them to send you people. Do not pass go, do not run their resumes' through any software, just send the resumes' to you if there are programming, art (websites), or coding skills of any kind anywhere on the page - even recent college graduates.

Make them do some farking work for once instead of picking their ass and gossiping with facebook chat all day.


A couple jobs ago the HR lady told me that she used a strategy like this. She, knowing the hiring managers (coders / former coders themselves) knew way more about qualifications than she, only weeded out very obviously unqualified resumes (e.g. they didn't indicate any programming education or experience). Everything else went to the manager.
 
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