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(Talking Points Memo)   Turns out, the states that are trying to battle Obamacare have the highest number of uninsured residents   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 161
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2012-07-06 12:06:15 AM

mrshowrules: SphericalTime: mrshowrules: SphericalTime: chimp_ninja: 3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

I can't believe that there are questions on there that got 25% correct answer rates. Unbelievable.

It doesn't surprise me. People like Bachman and other Conservatives have been continually saying the complete opposite to most of these points. If Conservatives are truly following the right-wing speaking points, they shouldn't be getting more than a quarter of them correct.

The 25% was among Americans, not just conservatives. That means that half of the independents and liberals got those particular questions wrong as well.

Everytime I turn on CNN, Bachman is blabbering away. Conservatives are clearly winning the propaganda war on both sides politically. They old rule of making the lie as big as possible. Some people will believe the big lie, others will assume it just exaggerated

Bachman: Obamacare will destroy all small businesses.

What people believe:
1) Tea Party: Yes, this is true
2) Conservatives: it will be very bad for most small businesses
3) Independents/Moderates: it might hurt many small businesses
4) Liberals: the impact to small businesses will me minor
5) Truth: Obamacare does not apply to small businesses


6) Even truth-ier: Though businesses with less than 50 FTE (full time equivalent) employees are exempted completely from lack-of-coverage penalties, those businesses that choose to cover their employees will be eligible for for new tax credits to assist them in paying for coverage.

They also won't have to deal with medical underwriting preventing them from getting coverage or raising their premiums to insane levels.

And, of course, the knowledge that you can obtain individual health insurance should you decide to leave your corporate gig and become an entrepreneur will eliminate the single biggest barrier to new business startups in this country.

/ Of course that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker or within a five-second sound byte, so fark it.
 
2012-07-06 12:52:59 AM

EnviroDude: turns out they have a lot of medicare patients too and the thought of having to do more without government reimbursement will bankrupt them


Say what now?

Medicare is a completely federal program, for Seniors and the disabled. The states collectively have 0 people enrolled through them, as they have exactly nothing to do with the whole program. And the only change that Medicare beneficiaries will have with Obamacare is that the government will no longer be paying up to a 16% premium to private insurers who participate in the Medicare Advantage program.

Assuming you meant Medicaid, every state participates in the existing program, and receives only 57-63% of the cost from the Feds. If they agree to the expansion, they will get 100% of the additional costs paid for 2 years, and 90% paid beyond that.

If they choose not to participate, then their citizens and companies that pay the penalties for not having/offering coverage will just be paying into the federal till and the state will get nothing in return.

/ The governors can say what they want now. They'll all come on board at some point. Hospitals, insurers, and pharmaceutical companies will demand it.
 
2012-07-06 01:36:52 AM
ignorance is bliss??
 
2012-07-06 02:40:26 AM

JadedRaverLA: mrshowrules: SphericalTime: mrshowrules: SphericalTime: chimp_ninja: 3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

I can't believe that there are questions on there that got 25% correct answer rates. Unbelievable.

It doesn't surprise me. People like Bachman and other Conservatives have been continually saying the complete opposite to most of these points. If Conservatives are truly following the right-wing speaking points, they shouldn't be getting more than a quarter of them correct.

The 25% was among Americans, not just conservatives. That means that half of the independents and liberals got those particular questions wrong as well.

Everytime I turn on CNN, Bachman is blabbering away. Conservatives are clearly winning the propaganda war on both sides politically. They old rule of making the lie as big as possible. Some people will believe the big lie, others will assume it just exaggerated

Bachman: Obamacare will destroy all small businesses.

What people believe:
1) Tea Party: Yes, this is true
2) Conservatives: it will be very bad for most small businesses
3) Independents/Moderates: it might hurt many small businesses
4) Liberals: the impact to small businesses will me minor
5) Truth: Obamacare does not apply to small businesses

6) Even truth-ier: Though businesses with less than 50 FTE (full time equivalent) employees are exempted completely from lack-of-coverage penalties, those businesses that choose to cover their employees will be eligible for for new tax credits to assist them in paying for coverage.

They also won't have to deal with medical underwriting preventing them from getting coverage or raising their premiums to insane levels.

And, of course, the knowledge that you can obtain individual health insurance should you decide to leave your corporate gig and become an entrepreneur will eliminate the single biggest barrier to new business startups in this country.

/ Of course that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker or with ...


It is even better than that for the extra small businesses (under 12 people), we can get insurance through the exchange for employees, get the tax credit, and get a better group rate... and our employees would be able to take it with them whenever they leave for other jobs.
 
2012-07-06 06:57:26 AM

o5iiawah: Some people actually realize that they dont want to see the day where their kids owe $100k on the national debt as soon as they get out of the womb, yet they are chided by FarkLibs as 'voting against their best interests'


So better to be stuck with a 100k bill from the hospital for facilitating your child's exit from the womb?
 
2012-07-06 06:59:50 AM

chimp_ninja: Results from an interesting poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation are here.

Lessons:
1) People who do poorly on a quiz about what is in PPACA really dislike PPACA.
2) People who rely on Fox News as their primary news source do really poorly (worse than random guessing) on a quiz about what is in PPACA.
3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

Take the 10-question quiz here.


"You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans."

[snark] No shiat. I'm Canadian. [/snark]
 
2012-07-06 07:06:56 AM

MooseUpNorth: chimp_ninja: Results from an interesting poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation are here.

Lessons:
1) People who do poorly on a quiz about what is in PPACA really dislike PPACA.
2) People who rely on Fox News as their primary news source do really poorly (worse than random guessing) on a quiz about what is in PPACA.
3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

Take the 10-question quiz here.

"You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans."

[snark] No shiat. I'm Canadian. [/snark]


To be fair, Canada has it's share of morons too. You just can't understand them because they are speaking French.
 
2012-07-06 09:21:44 AM

Evil Twin Skippy: To be fair, Canada has it's share of morons too. You just can't understand them because they are speaking French.


I said 10/10.
 
2012-07-06 10:07:07 AM
I got a 9 out of 10. The "businesses required to provide health insurance" tripped me up. Oh well, I'll take it.
 
2012-07-06 10:15:48 AM

chimp_ninja: Results from an interesting poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation are here.

Lessons:
1) People who do poorly on a quiz about what is in PPACA really dislike PPACA.
2) People who rely on Fox News as their primary news source do really poorly (worse than random guessing) on a quiz about what is in PPACA.
3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

Take the 10-question quiz here.


Propoganda quiz is full of propoganda. We've covered this already, listing the benefits of the used car you want to buy without telling you the price or that the engine is blown is not proof that it is a good car or that the buyer is stupid for not being interested in the nicer aspects.

I got 10/10 on the quiz, doesnt mean Im stupid enough to believe that giving millions of uninsured people free government paid insurance is going to make things cheaper.
 
2012-07-06 10:16:28 AM

archichris: chimp_ninja: Results from an interesting poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation are here.

Lessons:
1) People who do poorly on a quiz about what is in PPACA really dislike PPACA.
2) People who rely on Fox News as their primary news source do really poorly (worse than random guessing) on a quiz about what is in PPACA.
3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

Take the 10-question quiz here.

Propoganda quiz is full of propoganda. We've covered this already, listing the benefits of the used car you want to buy without telling you the price or that the engine is blown is not proof that it is a good car or that the buyer is stupid for not being interested in the nicer aspects.

I got 10/10 on the quiz, doesnt mean Im stupid enough to believe that giving millions of uninsured people free government paid insurance is going to make things cheaper.


Oh crap I just realized what the quiz is actually measuring.....nevermind, Im going back to retake it and get 0/10
 
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