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2012-07-05 03:09:38 PM

doyner: Come to think of it, that would be a fantastic bill for a "fiscal conservative" to introduce. Imagine the mental gymnastics from the Tea Party Caucus.


If only Democrats knew how to troll . . .
 
2012-07-05 03:10:41 PM

mgshamster: chimp_ninja: Results from an interesting poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation are here.

Lessons:
1) People who do poorly on a quiz about what is in PPACA really dislike PPACA.
2) People who rely on Fox News as their primary news source do really poorly (worse than random guessing) on a quiz about what is in PPACA.
3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

Take the 10-question quiz here.

I explained that poll to my mother-in-law last night. She insisted that the Kaiser Foundation was paid off in order to make Fox News look bad.

/I really didn't know what to say to that.


Well, look, I think we can all admit that the quiz was biased. One or two questions were a bit fishy. And it did leave out anything that would make the law look bad. The big difference is that, Fox News looks bad on their own because anyone with any ounce of intelligence can see them lying on a daily basis. KFF's test didn't outright lie but it was selectively favorable to the law. Fox News lies outright about the law and anything else they dislike.
 
2012-07-05 03:12:18 PM
The funniest thing to me is the states banning the creation of a state run exchange...

ok then the federal government runs the exchange in your state....LOL.
 
2012-07-05 03:12:22 PM
Makes sense. Dead people usually vote republican. Or at least almost-dead people do.
 
2012-07-05 03:13:31 PM

Sybarite: My state has a measure that will appear on the ballot this fall that would forbid the setup of an insurance exchange by the state. I can pretty much guarantee it will pass.


that's okay the feds will just set one up for them and the gov and all his buddies won't be able to proffer from it.
 
2012-07-05 03:13:37 PM
Not accepting the Medicaid expansion money is absolutely incredible. It comes with no strings and is paid for by the federal government. Denying millions of people health insurance so that you can score points with the tea party is just disgusting.
 
2012-07-05 03:17:33 PM

thornhill: Not accepting the Medicaid expansion money is absolutely incredible. It comes with no strings and is paid for by the federal government. Denying millions of people health insurance so that you can score points with the tea party is just disgusting.


Not entirely true. A contribution from the state is required. It's 5% at first, then ramps up to 10%, IIRC.
 
2012-07-05 03:17:59 PM

thornhill: Not accepting the Medicaid expansion money is absolutely incredible. It comes with no strings and is paid for by the federal government. Denying millions of people health insurance so that you can score points with the tea party is just disgusting.


they're afraid of Fox Noise and the right wing radio nuts.
 
2012-07-05 03:21:24 PM

thornhill: Not accepting the Medicaid expansion money is absolutely incredible. It comes with no strings and is paid for by the federal government. Denying millions of people health insurance so that you can score points with the tea party is just disgusting.


Yes and no, already states are struggling with Medicare and Medicaid obligations they already have.

Its a tough deal. Now as for the extra money it goes to extra items to help cover individuals and such.

it is what it is. but it will be interesting to see how it goes.
 
2012-07-05 03:22:45 PM

GentDirkly: thornhill: Not accepting the Medicaid expansion money is absolutely incredible. It comes with no strings and is paid for by the federal government. Denying millions of people health insurance so that you can score points with the tea party is just disgusting.

Not entirely true. A contribution from the state is required. It's 5% at first, then ramps up to 10%, IIRC.


I'd say it will be a push because of the money saved on indigent ER care they have to pay for now.
 
2012-07-05 03:28:10 PM

coeyagi: mgshamster: chimp_ninja: Results from an interesting poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation are here.

Lessons:
1) People who do poorly on a quiz about what is in PPACA really dislike PPACA.
2) People who rely on Fox News as their primary news source do really poorly (worse than random guessing) on a quiz about what is in PPACA.
3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

Take the 10-question quiz here.

I explained that poll to my mother-in-law last night. She insisted that the Kaiser Foundation was paid off in order to make Fox News look bad.

/I really didn't know what to say to that.

Well, look, I think we can all admit that the quiz was biased. One or two questions were a bit fishy. And it did leave out anything that would make the law look bad. The big difference is that, Fox News looks bad on their own because anyone with any ounce of intelligence can see them lying on a daily basis. KFF's test didn't outright lie but it was selectively favorable to the law. Fox News lies outright about the law and anything else they dislike.


I also told her (incorrectly, it turns out) that Gallup was one of the polling groups that found out that Fox News misinforms their viewers, and my mother-in-law said they were being paid off as well, just to slander Fox News.
 
2012-07-05 03:31:49 PM

Deftoons: It seems the health care debate has turned into a health insurance debate. What's the core issue is cost, not necessarily insurance.


Which it should be. Insurance is the only thing wrong with American healthcare.
 
2012-07-05 03:36:50 PM

GentDirkly: thornhill: Not accepting the Medicaid expansion money is absolutely incredible. It comes with no strings and is paid for by the federal government. Denying millions of people health insurance so that you can score points with the tea party is just disgusting.

Not entirely true. A contribution from the state is required. It's 5% at first, then ramps up to 10%, IIRC.


A very small price to pay for what will help provide health insurance to literally millions of people in some of these states (in Texas, for instance, it will cover 1.5 million people). Putting aside the whole moral issue, it makes good economic sense.
 
2012-07-05 03:37:20 PM

mgshamster: chimp_ninja: Results from an interesting poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation are here.

Lessons:
1) People who do poorly on a quiz about what is in PPACA really dislike PPACA.
2) People who rely on Fox News as their primary news source do really poorly (worse than random guessing) on a quiz about what is in PPACA.
3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

Take the 10-question quiz here.

I explained that poll to my mother-in-law last night. She insisted that the Kaiser Foundation was paid off in order to make Fox News look bad.

/I really didn't know what to say to that.


If the kaiser foundation was paid off due to greed, y not fox news? They are human as well.

If u can find it, the court filing where fix news sued to ensure they had the right to run misinformation as news, even knowingly.

Ask her why she trusts fox news more than her own son. Family valuez!
 
2012-07-05 03:41:18 PM

meat0918: Sybarite: My state has a measure that will appear on the ballot this fall that would forbid the setup of an insurance exchange by the state. I can pretty much guarantee it will pass.

Oregon on the other hand just about has their's up. Link


It seems every few months I find a new reason to be damn proud to live in Oregon.
After reading the article and looking at the map, I had 2 thoughts:
1) Wow, Oregon has a higher uninsured rate than I thought it would (but obviously doing things to rectify it)
2) People in states with conservative leaders who are going to pass up on medicaid expansion and insurance exchanges deserve what they get. They voted them in, they can suffer the consequences. Besides, hopefully this is a case of "survival of the fittest" and those who shoot themselves in the foot fade away.
 
2012-07-05 03:41:40 PM

chimp_ninja: Results from an interesting poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation are here.

Lessons:
1) People who do poorly on a quiz about what is in PPACA really dislike PPACA.
2) People who rely on Fox News as their primary news source do really poorly (worse than random guessing) on a quiz about what is in PPACA.
3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

Take the 10-question quiz here.


I got 10 of 10 correct, and I'm just some slacker weirdo. I guess other people don't have time to learn stuff because they have things to do.
 
2012-07-05 03:44:01 PM

chimp_ninja: Results from an interesting poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation are here.

Lessons:
1) People who do poorly on a quiz about what is in PPACA really dislike PPACA.
2) People who rely on Fox News as their primary news source do really poorly (worse than random guessing) on a quiz about what is in PPACA.
3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

Take the 10-question quiz here.


I just smoked a bowl and I barely slept last night because I took a heavy dose of some pretty good shrooms and I can never sleep until the trip is over. Furthermore, I'm not particularly well informed on this issue because even though I basically support the idea of healthcare reform, I'm covered by VA healthcare and am therefore largely unaffected. Still got a 10/10.
 
2012-07-05 03:56:26 PM
www.mockpaperscissors.com

We think it's stupid... we don't need no gubbamint doctors tellin us how to be healthy!
 
2012-07-05 03:58:15 PM
Well of course the states with the most uninsured want to fight universal insurance. They are run by insurance company lackeys who want to use that uninsured status against people. Then they can dictate to the serfs who is and isn't privileged enough to be allowed affordable health care.
 
2012-07-05 03:58:54 PM

GentDirkly: thornhill: Not accepting the Medicaid expansion money is absolutely incredible. It comes with no strings and is paid for by the federal government. Denying millions of people health insurance so that you can score points with the tea party is just disgusting.

Not entirely true. A contribution from the state is required. It's 5% at first, then ramps up to 10%, IIRC.


0% the first two years, but ya, it does ramp up to 10% eventually... money well spent, in my opinion.
 
2012-07-05 04:02:27 PM
Some people actually realize that they dont want to see the day where their kids owe $100k on the national debt as soon as they get out of the womb, yet they are chided by FarkLibs as 'voting against their best interests'
 
2012-07-05 04:03:06 PM
So, I think it will all work out fine anyways... Some of these states that are rabidly anti-anything Obama will, no doubt, not expand medicaid... some of them will end up in the program where the federal government sets up the exchange because a state failed to do so... but they'll still have hordes of low-wage labor uninsured because of the lack of medicaid expansion (don't worry, if you can't get healthcare through your employer that costs less than 8% of your paycheck, or if you're below the poverty limits, you are exempt from the penalty)... so low wage workers will have a choice... do they want to live in states with crumbling service sectors where their family has no healthcare, or will they go to states that treat them decently even though they are poor... I have a feeling this will be a rehash of some of the anti-immigrant bills, and you'll see some states entirely drain their own supply of low-wage labor for things like farming, retail, and food service, all just to show how bootstrappy they are.
 
2012-07-05 04:06:28 PM

o5iiawah: Some people actually realize that they dont want to see the day where their kids owe $100k on the national debt as soon as they get out of the womb, yet they are chided by FarkLibs as 'voting against their best interests'


But...but...we got to spend billions on all the new shiny toys for the Defense department!

Mitt Romney and the GOP told me so!
 
2012-07-05 04:07:01 PM

o5iiawah: Some people actually realize that they dont want to see the day where their kids owe $100k on the national debt as soon as they get out of the womb, yet they are chided by FarkLibs as 'voting against their best interests'


Rather have your kid go bankrupt from an out of control hospital bill? I mean, it's one thing to talk about the national economy, it's another thing to say you support fixing it, but without addressing the number one cause of personal bankruptcies. One party is trying to get costs under control by moving care from ER to clinic settings and paying a penny for prevention instead of a pound for cure, the other is rushing to go back to the status quo and says that 30 million uninsured Americans, and the biggest sector inflation of any "isn't an issue" (thanks, McConnell). If you want to get serious about the national debt, then why are you against the first restructuring of Medicare that makes it more cost-effective? Aside from that, if the debt is the number one issue, do we really want to vote for a guy who says he'll cut taxes and increase the military size by another 100k men? Is that our solution to everything, more big government, but we just don't want the kind that might accidentally help someone?
 
2012-07-05 04:07:22 PM
Remember: you ain't no God-fearin' christian 'murkan if'n you want that Federal Gubmint help!

/except during disasters
//or riots
///or droughts
////or drug enforcement
//or censorship
//or highways
//or farm subsidies
//or fires
//or disease
 
2012-07-05 04:07:58 PM
mrshowrules: "You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans." /Canadian

Imagine how much better you would have done if you'd had the common decency to be an American, like Jesus.
 
2012-07-05 04:15:06 PM
That's because their constituents want to continue not to have to pay for health care and to be able to continue to use the ER for their free medical care.
 
2012-07-05 04:59:37 PM
It can't be stressed hard enough that progressives living in these states should be volunteering with local and state campaigns to produce candidates to VOTE OUT the selfish and short-sighted people in office that oppose this.

I know, I know, none of you have 'time' for politics. Really? Even hardcore FPT junkies like yourselves?
 
2012-07-05 05:04:36 PM

namatad: Testiclaw: 9/10 on the quiz...

...thought too in-depth for the first one, was wondering if they used fine as a synonym or antonym for tax/credit.

/at least that's my excuse
//and I'm sticking to it
///death panels be damned

LOL
I had the same problem.


I hope they have comfy chairs at the Death Panel hearings :(
 
2012-07-05 05:19:59 PM

chimp_ninja: Results from an interesting poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation are here.

Lessons:
1) People who do poorly on a quiz about what is in PPACA really dislike PPACA.
2) People who rely on Fox News as their primary news source do really poorly (worse than random guessing) on a quiz about what is in PPACA.
3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

Take the 10-question quiz here.


I got a 10 out of 10 by answering what I'd want. (minus the single payer option, heh)
 
2012-07-05 05:24:43 PM

zimbach: I got 10 of 10 correct, and I'm just some slacker weirdo. I guess other people don't have time to learn stuff because they have things to do.


The people who score low on this quiz, and who actually believe that a bureaucratic panel is going to decide to put down Grandma, do not suffer from a lack of free time. They have plenty, and spend it in the wrong places.
 
2012-07-05 05:42:02 PM
STATES SUING OVER OBAMACARE

Virginia
Florida
South Carolina
Nebraska
Texas
Utah
Louisiana
Alabama
Michigan
Colorado
Pennsylvania
Washington
Idaho
South Dakota
North Dakota
Arizona
Georgia
Alaska
Nevada
Indiana
Mississippi
Wisconsin
Oklahoma
Wyoming
Ohio
Kansas
Maine
 
2012-07-05 05:44:43 PM
In Oklahoma there are two political ads that stick out to me:

1) The Democrat saying stuff that I can't remember, but proving his good 'ol boy-ism by taking out a rifle and shooting a target at the end of the ad.

2) The Republican was notable for saying "the first thing I'm going to do when elected is go to Washington and appeal Obamacare"

We deserve everything we get.
 
2012-07-05 06:03:23 PM

God-is-a-Taco: 2) The Republican was notable for saying "the first thing I'm going to do when elected is go to Washington and appeal Obamacare"


Haha, what? Appeal Obamacare? To whom?

Maybe he meant repeal but then again spelling and stuff is such elitist liberal hogwash.
 
2012-07-05 06:13:35 PM

o5iiawah: Some people actually realize that they dont want to see the day where their kids owe $100k on the national debt as soon as they get out of the womb, yet they are chided by FarkLibs as 'voting against their best interests'


The PPACA lowers debt projections compared to the Republican plan of doing nothing. Even when they think they aren't, the FarkCons are still voting against their best interests.
 
2012-07-05 06:28:41 PM

Pfft!: meat0918: Sybarite: My state has a measure that will appear on the ballot this fall that would forbid the setup of an insurance exchange by the state. I can pretty much guarantee it will pass.

Oregon on the other hand just about has their's up. Link

It seems every few months I find a new reason to be damn proud to live in Oregon.
After reading the article and looking at the map, I had 2 thoughts:
1) Wow, Oregon has a higher uninsured rate than I thought it would (but obviously doing things to rectify it)
2) People in states with conservative leaders who are going to pass up on medicaid expansion and insurance exchanges deserve what they get. They voted them in, they can suffer the consequences. Besides, hopefully this is a case of "survival of the fittest" and those who shoot themselves in the foot fade away.


Oregon does okay, but the state health insurance system is so overwhelmed that they have to resort to a lottery system to allot care. Having the ability for every needing insurance to get it will be a boon.
 
2012-07-05 06:29:16 PM
"everybody"
 
2012-07-05 06:42:11 PM

chimp_ninja: Results from an interesting poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation are here.

Lessons:
1) People who do poorly on a quiz about what is in PPACA really dislike PPACA.
2) People who rely on Fox News as their primary news source do really poorly (worse than random guessing) on a quiz about what is in PPACA.
3) 40% of respondents thought "death panels" were a real thing.

Take the 10-question quiz here.


10/10 easy peasy
 
2012-07-05 07:04:46 PM

Sybarite: My state has a measure that will appear on the ballot this fall that would forbid the setup of an insurance exchange by the state. I can pretty much guarantee it will pass.


Which means they will go into the federal program. Great so see that this people love the federal government so much and don't trust the state government.
 
2012-07-05 07:07:59 PM

EnviroDude: turns out they have a lot of medicare patients too and the thought of having to do more without government reimbursement will bankrupt them


You know, you are lying again. Almost all of the expanded medicare for the poor is paid for by the federal government for the expansion.
 
2012-07-05 07:46:35 PM

Doc Lee: o5iiawah: Some people actually realize that they dont want to see the day where their kids owe $100k on the national debt as soon as they get out of the womb, yet they are chided by FarkLibs as 'voting against their best interests'

The PPACA lowers debt projections compared to the Republican plan of doing nothing. Even when they think they aren't, the FarkCons are still voting against their best interests.


From a president who said the stimulus would take unemployment to 5.4%, that the annual deficit would be cut in half and we would create 500,000 jobs last summer, i am sure his budget advisers are spot on with their projections.
 
2012-07-05 07:47:50 PM
Well, duh, subby! In Florida, our governor has pledged to do everything he can to prevent Florida's uninsured from getting health insurance. And the people down here think he's great!

(* shakes head *)
(* weeps for the future *)
 
2012-07-05 08:06:03 PM

o5iiawah: From a president who said the stimulus would take unemployment to 5.4%, that the annual deficit would be cut in half and we would create 500,000 jobs last summer, i am sure his budget advisers are spot on with their projections.


Honestly man, you barely got into that talking point before you pulled a massive lie.
 
2012-07-05 08:12:07 PM

o5iiawah: Doc Lee: o5iiawah: Some people actually realize that they dont want to see the day where their kids owe $100k on the national debt as soon as they get out of the womb, yet they are chided by FarkLibs as 'voting against their best interests'

The PPACA lowers debt projections compared to the Republican plan of doing nothing. Even when they think they aren't, the FarkCons are still voting against their best interests.

From a president who said the stimulus would take unemployment to 5.4%, that the annual deficit would be cut in half and we would create 500,000 jobs last summer, i am sure his budget advisers are spot on with their projections.


First off, that's a CBO projection. Second off, you do of course realize that it's the G0P economic plan to keep unemployment high to create a surplus of skilled labor in order to lower wages, right? FarkCons, always voting against their own best interests.
 
2012-07-05 09:22:16 PM
Turns out, getting people to vote against their best interests is not actually all that difficult, providing that you have money.
 
2012-07-05 09:35:10 PM

KarmicDisaster: Turns out, getting people to vote against their best interests is not actually all that difficult, providing that you have money.


Or wrap yourself in a flag and carry a cross.
 
2012-07-05 09:38:51 PM

Epoch_Zero: Arkanaut: Turns out, the states that are trying to battle Obamacare have the highest number of uninsured residents FREEDOM

FTFY, commiemitter.

"We shall wrap all wounds in the American flag, which will quickly regenerate all injured flesh and provide a sweet, slightly citrus-like smell to those in the immediate area. Bald eagles - which naturally gather around any incarnation of the American flag - will then gently carry to the patient to a bed, where they shall exercise their mandatory second amendment rights. "


ilovethispostsomuch.jpeg
 
2012-07-05 09:52:39 PM

Millennium: Um, forgive me if I'm wrong here, but wouldn't it be kind of expected for a law to be opposed mainly by people who would (at least in their own perception) be affected by it?


But most of these people will be affected in a positive way. And even if a new policy did affect an individual (let's call him Dick Darlington) negatively but affects many of the most impoverished in the society in a positive way what sort of selfish asshole would Dick need to be to oppose it?
 
2012-07-05 10:01:52 PM

abb3w: Aarontology: Turns out that the states trying to battle Obamacare are at the bottom of the rankings for a lot of things.


It's like a Cone of Derp.
 
2012-07-05 10:52:46 PM

wippit: I got 9 out of 10, haven't read the thing, and I'm not an American. So people failing this have to be really dumb

/got #5 wrong, for the record.


You have seen the average Murikan, right? We's dum as hel nn thas hau we likes it.
 
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