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2012-07-05 09:04:58 AM
Given that the Higgs boson gives matter its mass, I'd be more concerned with the font's weight than it's type.
 
2012-07-05 09:56:34 AM
Scientistses be trollin...
 
2012-07-05 09:58:51 AM

BurnShrike: Given that the Higgs boson gives matter its mass, I'd be more concerned with the font's weight than it's type.


We couldn't account for 96% of the universe's mass. With all our science - billions and billions of dollars and billions and billions of man-hours - it is therefore quite COMICal that the universe was, for lack of proof, SANS MasS.

// maybe that's why?
 
2012-07-05 09:59:21 AM
No it is a special font called Comic CERNs
 
2012-07-05 09:59:40 AM
I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.
 
2012-07-05 10:00:11 AM
Cosmic Sans?
 
2012-07-05 10:01:23 AM

Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.


My advisor during grad school (physics) used Comic Sans for all of his presentations. I tried and tried to convince him otherwise, but he always went back to that damn font.
 
2012-07-05 10:02:39 AM

Expolaris: This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.


Impact font!!
 
2012-07-05 10:04:01 AM
Give a shiat about what someting says, not what font it is in. They could've written it in their own feces for all I care
 
2012-07-05 10:05:47 AM

kkinnison: No it is a special font called Comic CERNs


ERMAGHERD CERMERC CERNS

// ermagherd-perticle?
 
2012-07-05 10:06:31 AM
I bet font nazis did nazi it coming
 
2012-07-05 10:06:48 AM
Comic Sans + AOL email address = the most trollerific form of communcation ever. There is nothing you can say that someone wont believe you take seriously.
 
2012-07-05 10:08:00 AM

NeoCortex42: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

My advisor during grad school (physics) used Comic Sans for all of his presentations. I tried and tried to convince him otherwise, but he always went back to that damn font.


lolzombie.com
 
2012-07-05 10:11:42 AM

Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.


They are actually physicists, and presumably they think like physicists. I am an engineer and I was also more interested in the data that the typeface but claiming that engineers are not interested in aesthetics shows the ignorance you have about your brothers profession. Sure we care less about aesthetics then say safety and functionality but they are never completely off of the table.
 
2012-07-05 10:12:34 AM
That's nice. What font did you use when you discovered the God particle? Oh, you didn't? How about one of your other major physics discoveries? None? Okay then.

/stupid people problems
 
2012-07-05 10:15:28 AM

Egoy3k: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

They are actually physicists, and presumably they think like physicists. I am an engineer and I was also more interested in the data that the typeface but claiming that engineers are not interested in aesthetics shows the ignorance you have about your brothers profession. Sure we care less about aesthetics then say safety and functionality but they are never completely off of the table.


I'm a scientist, and I think this is best summarized as function over form. Having said that, I recently watched Helvetica, an indie documentary about typefaces. I see now why using Comic Sans may have been not the best choice.

/Used Comic Sans for presentations has an undergrad/grad.
 
2012-07-05 10:15:46 AM
It's worse than just Comic Sans... It's Comic Sans in white on a blue background.
 
2012-07-05 10:19:12 AM
mehallo.com
 
2012-07-05 10:19:28 AM

Egoy3k: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

They are actually physicists, and presumably they think like physicists. I am an engineer and I was also more interested in the data that the typeface but claiming that engineers are not interested in aesthetics shows the ignorance you have about your brothers profession. Sure we care less about aesthetics then say safety and functionality but they are never completely off of the table.


Oh i mean't no offense. It was more playful poking fun at my Brother than ignorance. He's always had that careful measured engineer approach to everything he's done in life, even before he got his career he had the personality. It's good to have someone like that in my life, i pull him out of his shell and he keeps me from floating off into tangental space.
 
2012-07-05 10:23:08 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish: /Used Comic Sans for presentations has an undergrad/grad.


My former PhD adviser was an absolute zealot about fonts and colors for slide presentations. He declared a fatwa on fonts with serifs, and probably would have killed me if I used Comic Sans. One thing he was definitely right about was that half of the effectiveness of a presentation is the aesthetics; it doesn't matter how interesting your results are (paradigm altering/reaffirming results like the HB results notwithstanding) if they are presented in such a way as to make your audience shut off by slide 2.

My personal deal-breaker is the white background, black Times New Roman text, with nothing but a wall of equations. Thanks for letting me know you don't give a shiat about this presentation in such a concise manner.
 
2012-07-05 10:24:46 AM
 
2012-07-05 10:25:31 AM

Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.


When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

If they can't get the basics of public communication right, it reflects poorly on them.

It's like if someone presented while wearing a rainbow wig and clown nose. No matter how good the info, it would be tainted because of the presentation.
 
2012-07-05 10:26:19 AM
Could have been worse. They could have used Papyrus or Wingdings.

/Used to use Papyrus all the time as a kid.
//Those were dark times...
 
2012-07-05 10:28:04 AM
Now that we've found the God Particle, you can all stop wasting your time in church.
 
2012-07-05 10:28:16 AM

Expolaris: Oh i mean't no offense. It was more playful poking fun at my Brother than ignorance. He's always had that careful measured engineer approach to everything he's done in life, even before he got his career he had the personality. It's good to have someone like that in my life, i pull him out of his shell and he keeps me from floating off into tangental space.


Yeah sadly I sound a lot like your brother. I'm 28 and I have a well padded pension plan and I'm aggressively downpaying my student debt and I'll be looking for my first house soon. that all sounds great but the problem is I've never done anything just for fun in my life and I'm starting to worry that by the time I have the finances in order I'll have no hobbies or interests to explore.
 
2012-07-05 10:29:09 AM

Reversed: [mehallo.com image 380x507]


QED: Helvetica > Comic Sans
 
2012-07-05 10:31:50 AM

Egoy3k: Expolaris: Oh i mean't no offense. It was more playful poking fun at my Brother than ignorance. He's always had that careful measured engineer approach to everything he's done in life, even before he got his career he had the personality. It's good to have someone like that in my life, i pull him out of his shell and he keeps me from floating off into tangental space.

Yeah sadly I sound a lot like your brother. I'm 28 and I have a well padded pension plan and I'm aggressively downpaying my student debt and I'll be looking for my first house soon. that all sounds great but the problem is I've never done anything just for fun in my life and I'm starting to worry that by the time I have the finances in order I'll have no hobbies or interests to explore.


You sound a bunch like him....is your name also David...?

Live the dream man. My brother is getting married next year, is gonna buy his first house soon after. His hobby is running. It's something he can do alone, repetitively and efficiently. He just finished his first Ironman. I'm only up to a half marathon, i'll catch his ass eventually.

Tattoo he got to commemorate his epic achievement (without Comics Sans)

sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-05 10:32:47 AM

Egoy3k: Expolaris: Oh i mean't no offense. It was more playful poking fun at my Brother than ignorance. He's always had that careful measured engineer approach to everything he's done in life, even before he got his career he had the personality. It's good to have someone like that in my life, i pull him out of his shell and he keeps me from floating off into tangental space.

Yeah sadly I sound a lot like your brother. I'm 28 and I have a well padded pension plan and I'm aggressively downpaying my student debt and I'll be looking for my first house soon. that all sounds great but the problem is I've never done anything just for fun in my life and I'm starting to worry that by the time I have the finances in order I'll have no hobbies or interests to explore.


marry someone who is both fiscally responsible and able to part with a dollar.

I'm like you. My partner is both good with money and able to spend it. That means we go on big, fun, expensive holidays. But only every 5 years or so, and they are all paid for up front.
 
2012-07-05 10:33:58 AM

Mytch: That's nice. What font did you use when you discovered the God particle? Oh, you didn't? How about one of your other major physics discoveries? None? Okay then.

/stupid people problems


I read that in Willy Wonka's voice.
 
2012-07-05 10:36:50 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Smoky Dragon Dish: /Used Comic Sans for presentations has an undergrad/grad.

My former PhD adviser was an absolute zealot about fonts and colors for slide presentations. He declared a fatwa on fonts with serifs, and probably would have killed me if I used Comic Sans. One thing he was definitely right about was that half of the effectiveness of a presentation is the aesthetics; it doesn't matter how interesting your results are (paradigm altering/reaffirming results like the HB results notwithstanding) if they are presented in such a way as to make your audience shut off by slide 2.

My personal deal-breaker is the white background, black Times New Roman text, with nothing but a wall of equations. Thanks for letting me know you don't give a shiat about this presentation in such a concise manner.


I just finished spending the better part of 3 weeks on a presentation of part of my dissertation (it's a big conference and I'm looking for a job). White background, black sans serif font, diagrams in strong but not primary colors. If it doesn't look good the audience won't be with you, even subconsciously.
 
2012-07-05 10:37:41 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Smoky Dragon Dish: /Used Comic Sans for presentations has an undergrad/grad.

My former PhD adviser was an absolute zealot about fonts and colors for slide presentations. He declared a fatwa on fonts with serifs, and probably would have killed me if I used Comic Sans. One thing he was definitely right about was that half of the effectiveness of a presentation is the aesthetics; it doesn't matter how interesting your results are (paradigm altering/reaffirming results like the HB results notwithstanding) if they are presented in such a way as to make your audience shut off by slide 2.

My personal deal-breaker is the white background, black Times New Roman text, with nothing but a wall of equations. Thanks for letting me know you don't give a shiat about this presentation in such a concise manner.


I wrote my Master's thesis (1996) in Courier for two reasons. 1) It looks like a typewriter. 2) Its a fixed-width font, making tables et al. a lot easier to work with. I showed someone my thesis recently, and they loved how it looked.

I sort of understand using sans serif fonts, since (I think, anyway) they're easier to read. I find Times New Roman agony to read. I never liked it.

And, all those presentations that I gave... it wasn't using PowerPoint, it was using transparencies. ;-)

Anyway, Helvetica is a pretty interesting flick. I've been meaning to watch it for 4 years now, but I thought it would be boring. It's actually pretty interesting. I never realized how pervasive that typeface is, and WHY it's pervasive.
 
2012-07-05 10:37:41 AM

imontheinternet: Now that we've found the God Particle, you can all stop wasting your time in church.


But then where will I go to Mass?
 
2012-07-05 10:39:24 AM
www.etoyoc.com
 
2012-07-05 10:39:51 AM

Disposable Rob: Mytch: That's nice. What font did you use when you discovered the God particle? Oh, you didn't? How about one of your other major physics discoveries? None? Okay then.

/stupid people problems

I read that in Willy Wonka's voice.


i45.tinypic.com

"It's all there, black and white, in Comic Sans, clear as crystal! You stole Higgs Boson particles! You bumped into the supercollider which now has to be washed and sterilized, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day, sir!"
 
2012-07-05 10:41:41 AM

rustypouch: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

If they can't get the basics of public communication right, it reflects poorly on them.

It's like if someone presented while wearing a rainbow wig and clown nose. No matter how good the info, it would be tainted because of the presentation.


People as anal-retentive and straight-laced as you are, essentially, why we as a species generally can't have nice things.

Lighten up, Francis.
 
2012-07-05 10:44:39 AM
Never understood why people get their panties in a bind so much about a font.
 
2012-07-05 10:45:48 AM
ignore the font, focus on the discovery people
 
2012-07-05 10:47:13 AM

SwingDancer: Never understood why people get their panties in a bind so much about a font.


If it was drafting, I can understand, all the textbooks have you lettering in a single font style
 
2012-07-05 10:47:30 AM

rustypouch: When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.


With me, it's background music. News, traffic, weather -- If there's a jingle going behind the speaker, I always take that as a signal "this isn't important enough to listen to".
 
2012-07-05 10:47:47 AM
YAY LOOK AT ME I CAN HATE SOMETHING ON THE INTERNET YAY!
 
2012-07-05 10:51:54 AM
chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-05 10:54:34 AM

xaks: rustypouch: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

If they can't get the basics of public communication right, it reflects poorly on them.

It's like if someone presented while wearing a rainbow wig and clown nose. No matter how good the info, it would be tainted because of the presentation.

People as anal-retentive and straight-laced as you are, essentially, why we as a species generally can't have nice things.

Lighten up, Francis.


If Apple used Comic Sans in their logo and/or marketing they wouldn't be half as popular.
 
2012-07-05 10:57:02 AM

SwingDancer: Never understood why people get their panties in a bind so much about a font.


I was like that before i started my current job. Being a writer surrounded by designers, i often write in TNR , or Cambria (the default word font is actually pretty nice IMO) but then get snapped at when it's given to them in a font they have to strain their eye to read. Especially with larger blocks of copy, it gets ugly.

I can see the difference in how they format their presentations, they kern every last letter down to the pixel. They know every dirty awkward curve in Comics Sans. It unnerves them almost as much as giving them a word doc when they wanted a PDF.

I've learned to give them copy in less rage inducing typefaces.
 
2012-07-05 10:58:17 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: My former PhD adviser was an absolute zealot about fonts and colors for slide presentations. He declared a fatwa on fonts with serifs, and probably would have killed me if I used Comic Sans. One thing he was definitely right about was that half of the effectiveness of a presentation is the aesthetics; it doesn't matter how interesting your results are (paradigm altering/reaffirming results like the HB results notwithstanding) if they are presented in such a way as to make your audience shut off by slide 2.


Mine was a moderate zealot about presentations and type faces, mostly type faces and when to suer serif versus non-serif fonts but not so much what exact fonts to use except the obvious. I tend to care about design and put a fair amount of effort in making my presentations and posters look good as well as explain the data.


My personal deal-breaker is the white background, black Times New Roman text, with nothing but a wall of equations. Thanks for letting me know you don't give a shiat about this presentation in such a concise manner.


White background and black text is actually the best combination, in general, for presentations. I tend to break it up with coloured headers/footers or something though to make it look better. Walls of equations though are another matter.
 
2012-07-05 10:59:18 AM

xaks: rustypouch: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

If they can't get the basics of public communication right, it reflects poorly on them.

It's like if someone presented while wearing a rainbow wig and clown nose. No matter how good the info, it would be tainted because of the presentation.

People as anal-retentive and straight-laced as you are, essentially, why we as a species generally can't have nice things.

Lighten up, Francis.


Me, straight laced? Heh.

I very much like nice things, and understand the importance of design.

Comic sans is not nice. When someone uses it in a professional setting, they let me know they have next to zero grasp on how to effectively communicate, how others perceive them, or just don't care.
 
2012-07-05 11:01:27 AM

entropic_existence: LouDobbsAwaaaay: My former PhD adviser was an absolute zealot about fonts and colors for slide presentations. He declared a fatwa on fonts with serifs, and probably would have killed me if I used Comic Sans. One thing he was definitely right about was that half of the effectiveness of a presentation is the aesthetics; it doesn't matter how interesting your results are (paradigm altering/reaffirming results like the HB results notwithstanding) if they are presented in such a way as to make your audience shut off by slide 2.

Mine was a moderate zealot about presentations and type faces, mostly type faces and when to suer serif versus non-serif fonts but not so much what exact fonts to use except the obvious. I tend to care about design and put a fair amount of effort in making my presentations and posters look good as well as explain the data.


My personal deal-breaker is the white background, black Times New Roman text, with nothing but a wall of equations. Thanks for letting me know you don't give a shiat about this presentation in such a concise manner.

White background and black text is actually the best combination, in general, for presentations. I tend to break it up with coloured headers/footers or something though to make it look better. Walls of equations though are another matter.


huh, all we had to do was use LaTex.
 
2012-07-05 11:04:00 AM

rustypouch: Comic sans is not nice. When someone uses it in a professional setting, they let me know they have next to zero grasp on how to effectively communicate, how others perceive them, or just don't care.


THAT.

Using Comic Sans has zero upside. No one will look at your professional "Quarterly Usage and Informational Metrics Report" written in Comic Sans and go, "Wow! What an awesome piece of intellectual property!", but many people will go "Ugh, what a stomach-turning piece of useless twaddlefluff."

// and you don't want people bagging on your QUIM before you've even had a chance to open it
 
2012-07-05 11:06:39 AM

LockeOak: If it doesn't look good the audience won't be with you, even subconsciously.


Absolutely this. Sitting through week-long conferences, you gain an appreciation for a presenter who cares about what his audience is seeing and hearing, rather than just chewing their way through their own slides until their time is up. My experience is that graduate students are better than professors, who are better than operational technicians/engineers. The students care because they're new at this and want to be understood, professors often don't give a shiat because their career is set and they don't need to impress anyone, and the last group just plain sucks at communicating. I've been to operational conferences that were basically museums of what NOT to do during a presentation.

This Higgs-Boson announcement is different because the results carry an incredible amount of weight (no pun intended, I swear), but ultimately it's a scientific presentation and the same rules apply.
 
2012-07-05 11:07:28 AM

Dr Dreidel: rustypouch: Comic sans is not nice. When someone uses it in a professional setting, they let me know they have next to zero grasp on how to effectively communicate, how others perceive them, or just don't care.

THAT.

Using Comic Sans has zero upside. No one will look at your professional "Quarterly Usage and Informational Metrics Report" written in Comic Sans and go, "Wow! What an awesome piece of intellectual property!", but many people will go "Ugh, what a stomach-turning piece of useless twaddlefluff."

// and you don't want people bagging on your QUIM before you've even had a chance to open it


If there is a font that would make me excited about metrics, please let me know so I can tell the PowerPoint Rangers in my organization. Those meetings can get brutal.
 
2012-07-05 11:10:45 AM

entropic_existence: White background and black text is actually the best combination, in general, for presentations.


I guess it's a personal preference thing. I find a dark background and light text to be easier on the eyes, and a white/black slide comes off not only as bleached and boring, but it's the default setting when you first open PowerPoint, so it comes off as "fark it, I'm not going to waste time making this look good".
 
2012-07-05 11:14:26 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: LockeOak: If it doesn't look good the audience won't be with you, even subconsciously.

Absolutely this. Sitting through week-long conferences, you gain an appreciation for a presenter who cares about what his audience is seeing and hearing, rather than just chewing their way through their own slides until their time is up. My experience is that graduate students are better than professors, who are better than operational technicians/engineers. The students care because they're new at this and want to be understood, professors often don't give a shiat because their career is set and they don't need to impress anyone, and the last group just plain sucks at communicating. I've been to operational conferences that were basically museums of what NOT to do during a presentation.

This Higgs-Boson announcement is different because the results carry an incredible amount of weight (no pun intended, I swear), but ultimately it's a scientific presentation and the same rules apply.


When I was an undergrad/grad, typeface options were sort of new (very early 90s) because word processing was kind of new (for the masses, anyway). I didn't have the benefit of a WYSIWYG display as I was working, so I honestly didn't know better. My only desire was maximum legibility.

I think undergrads today have an advangate because they grew-up with word processors/PP where you can change the font. When I was in high school, I had to type my papers.
 
2012-07-05 11:17:06 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: entropic_existence: White background and black text is actually the best combination, in general, for presentations.

I guess it's a personal preference thing. I find a dark background and light text to be easier on the eyes, and a white/black slide comes off not only as bleached and boring, but it's the default setting when you first open PowerPoint, so it comes off as "fark it, I'm not going to waste time making this look good".


In my organization, we have templates that we have to follow. We use a dark blue background/white letters. The font is decided, too. I believe it's Helvetica.
 
2012-07-05 11:20:48 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish: In my organization, we have templates that we have to follow. We use a dark blue background/white letters. The font is decided, too. I believe it's Helvetica.


I think some shiat-head did a study and found that dark blue back + yellow text was the "best" by some standard, and people started taking it as gospel.
 
2012-07-05 11:21:11 AM

Evil Twin Skippy: [www.etoyoc.com image 640x442]


From a thread yesterday

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2012-07-05 11:21:23 AM

Evil Twin Skippy:


I came to post this but you beat me to it, amazingly. You've won my heart and mind forever.
 
2012-07-05 11:21:38 AM
Sounds good to me. Why not go ahead and do it and piss off the kind of person who gives a shiat about a font? That's always struck me as one of the douchiest things to whine about. The minute someone starts pissing and moaning about comic sans is the same minute I stop giving a shiat what they have to say.

"Yeah, let's just ignore the amazing discovery and get all rageface because they used a perfectly legible font."
 
2012-07-05 11:34:49 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: entropic_existence: White background and black text is actually the best combination, in general, for presentations.

I guess it's a personal preference thing. I find a dark background and light text to be easier on the eyes, and a white/black slide comes off not only as bleached and boring, but it's the default setting when you first open PowerPoint, so it comes off as "fark it, I'm not going to waste time making this look good".


Definitely personal preference. I think one of the issues is whether you'll have bar graphs/plots or images of that nature in the presentation, which almost always look better on a white background. If you you usually want to minimize switching of background colours to reduce eye strain.
 
2012-07-05 11:37:08 AM
If you honestly think that the use of Comic Sans lessens the impact of what is being communicated, YOU are what's wrong with this planet. "Style over substance" is a bad thing, not a farking motto for life (or business...I'm looking at you, Apple). A retarded monkey wallowing in its own filth because it isn't smart enough to not shiat everywhere would look at you and think, "Holy crap, what a moron." Trig Palin is going to be more of a contributor to society than you ever will be. Every last one of you should be dropped on an uncharted island somewhere so that you can biatch at each other about a farking font until you starve to death because you're incapable of taking care of yourselves.

Yes, yes, I know. You've taken multiple design courses and, by golly, you know what you're talking about when you wax on about the evils of a farking font. The problem is, in the grand scheme of things Design Students rank just below Marketing people and just above Child Molesters. No one but you and your douche-canoe friends gives a flying fark about fonts. NO ONE.
 
2012-07-05 11:39:01 AM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: If you honestly think that the use of Comic Sans lessens the impact of what is being communicated, YOU are what's wrong with this planet. "Style over substance" is a bad thing, not a farking motto for life (or business...I'm looking at you, Apple). A retarded monkey wallowing in its own filth because it isn't smart enough to not shiat everywhere would look at you and think, "Holy crap, what a moron." Trig Palin is going to be more of a contributor to society than you ever will be. Every last one of you should be dropped on an uncharted island somewhere so that you can biatch at each other about a farking font until you starve to death because you're incapable of taking care of yourselves.

Yes, yes, I know. You've taken multiple design courses and, by golly, you know what you're talking about when you wax on about the evils of a farking font. The problem is, in the grand scheme of things Design Students rank just below Marketing people and just above Child Molesters. No one but you and your douche-canoe friends gives a flying fark about fonts. NO ONE.


Lighten up Francis.
 
2012-07-05 11:44:22 AM

dragonchild: Expolaris: This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

Impact font!!


The Higgs boson is what gives kerning to letters.
 
2012-07-05 11:44:58 AM
Only a bunch of geeks could be so pedantic as to complain about that font being used to break news like this. It doesn't even look that bad at all.

/These are the same dumbasses crying "But did you see her hideous thumbnail?!" when a gorgeous Hollywood actress poses naked
 
2012-07-05 11:45:25 AM

entropic_existence: Definitely personal preference. I think one of the issues is whether you'll have bar graphs/plots or images of that nature in the presentation, which almost always look better on a white background. If you you usually want to minimize switching of background colours to reduce eye strain.


Why switch background colors for a plot with a white background? Just put the plot with the white background in the slide.

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: If you honestly think that the use of Comic Sans lessens the impact of what is being communicated, YOU are what's wrong with this planet. "Style over substance" is a bad thing, not a farking motto for life (or business...I'm looking at you, Apple).


Nobody is saying style is more important. It just matters. People biatch all the time about how scientists are unable to communicate with the public. That's a complaint about style.
 
2012-07-05 11:51:26 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Why switch background colors for a plot with a white background? Just put the plot with the white background in the slide.


Apparently this also induces eye strain on many people. That and it is less clean in terms of design.
 
2012-07-05 12:03:50 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Yes, yes, I know. You've taken multiple design courses and, by golly, you know what you're talking about when you wax on about the evils of a farking font. The problem is, in the grand scheme of things Design Students rank just below Marketing people and just above Child Molesters. No one but you and your douche-canoe friends gives a flying fark about fonts. NO ONE.


Except for the wealth of social science research which says that yes, we do. As much as 90% of what the audience "gets" of your message is wrapped up in how you look/sound delivering it, starting with "being able to hear". If your audience can barely hear you or can't read the hand-scribbled notes on transparencies, you lose. If your font causes visceral negative reactions in ~15% of people and no positive reactions in anyone, you lose.

Ever seen a stand-up comedian live? The "font", in that case, is "delivery" - if the delivery sucks, the joke fails. Unless you're Neil Hamburger, that's unsuccessful comedy (and Hamburger - I've seen him live - is far from "successful" at comedy).

So I'm sorry if social science is "what stupid kids who can't do anything else do", but the research says you're wrong. Either dispute the findings or live with the reality they present.

// social science (Dr Steve McCornack from Michigan State) also says that no matter how well you think you know someone, you can't tell if they're lying to you
// he's done study after study on deception; your odds at telling truth from deception in someone else's speech are about 50%, and your odds get only about 5% better if you've got special training (I think heavy-duty training - like CIA counter-terrorism stuff - might hit 60%)
// COMM major, working for USG - I see bad presentation (writing and design) every damned day and wish they'd teach more of it in schools
 
2012-07-05 12:05:35 PM
As soon as this outrage has passed, it will be "OMFG, can you believe how ugly the clothes are that those scientists are wearing. What were they thinking when they got dressed."
 
2012-07-05 12:20:34 PM
I've heard comic sans is easier for people with learning disabilities to read. Don't know if its true and I don;t care. Font nazis are pathetic. Go outside, get laid, do something!
 
2012-07-05 12:20:34 PM
Psst, font nerds. Gonna let you in on a little secret here.

None of us care. We could give two shiats what font someone or something uses. If something is in a font that is not "appropriate", we may barely register this fact in the back of our mind somewhere, perhaps be a bit turned off, but really it doesn't matter in the slightest.

Here's what I'm really trying to say: YOU HAVE A DISEASE.
 
2012-07-05 12:24:18 PM

jayhawk88: Psst, font nerds. Gonna let you in on a little secret here.

None of us care. We could give two shiats what font someone or something uses. If something is in a font that is not "appropriate", we may barely register this fact in the back of our mind somewhere, perhaps be a bit turned off, but really it doesn't matter in the slightest.

Here's what I'm really trying to say: YOU HAVE A DISEASE.


"We're the cool kids who don't care and you're stupid and this is unimportant anD OH MY GOD YOU HAVE A DISEASE I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT A HUGE DEAL THIS IS"
 
2012-07-05 12:27:56 PM

jayhawk88: Psst, font nerds. Gonna let you in on a little secret here.

None of us care. We could give two shiats what font someone or something uses. If something is in a font that is not "appropriate", we may barely register this fact in the back of our mind somewhere, perhaps be a bit turned off, but really it doesn't matter in the slightest.

Here's what I'm really trying to say: YOU HAVE A DISEASE.


They're shallow people who put style over substance. One of the greatest scientific discoveries in history and they can't get past the font. Pathetic.
 
2012-07-05 12:28:05 PM
If you can't see content for presentation, it sounds like you're a very weak minded person.

I'm not questioning the research. I've always taken that kind of research and knowledge to be a means to overcome the tendency. We had advertising courses in high school that illustrated how ads are meant to capture your attention and what have you, and the purpose wasn't so we'd like ads, be better at making ads, it was so we'd be aware, and able to mitigate, the effect.

If you see a commercial for something that gets you excited, and you don't immediately stop and start asking questions such as, is this real? How could this be? What limitations could exist that would make the product I buy deviate from how it was just presented to me in a commercial (e.g artificial screen rendering)... then you're an idiot.

Likewise, if you can't appreciate the information about the Higgs Boson because of the font, you're an idiot.

It sounds like we don't need more design being taught in school. It's more critical thinking. Learning design just perpetuates it by treating it as acceptable behaviour. As an intelligent, domesticated primate, you need to be able to discern meaning from written word and comprehend it based on content alone.
 
2012-07-05 12:29:04 PM

Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.


Those who can, do. Those who can't make it look pretty. Got it.
 
2012-07-05 12:30:14 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Disposable Rob: Mytch: That's nice. What font did you use when you discovered the God particle? Oh, you didn't? How about one of your other major physics discoveries? None? Okay then.

/stupid people problems

I read that in Willy Wonka's voice.

[i45.tinypic.com image 640x480]

"It's all there, black and white, in Comic Sans, clear as crystal! You stole Higgs Boson particles! You bumped into the supercollider which now has to be washed and sterilized, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day, sir!"


i280.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-05 12:37:16 PM
So font nazis are just really nerdy fashionistas. Got it.
 
2012-07-05 12:39:59 PM
Yeah, what a bunch of pointless whining! Now excuse me while I scrawl my resume with crayon. It's about content, not presentation, right?
 
2012-07-05 12:47:00 PM

Tranquil Hegemony: Yeah, what a bunch of pointless whining! Now excuse me while I scrawl my resume with crayon. It's about content, not presentation, right?


The crucial difference is that people interested in the Higgs Boson understand that content trumps presentation whereas Burger King mangers might not.
 
2012-07-05 12:48:51 PM

Tranquil Hegemony: Yeah, what a bunch of pointless whining! Now excuse me while I scrawl my resume with crayon. It's about content, not presentation, right?


You can do it over lunch, on the back of a stained tray liner from McDonald's.
 
2012-07-05 12:49:52 PM
Only stupid people think the font you use gives some insight into your intelligence. They don't get a chance to feel smarter than other people very often, so they'll take anything.
 
2012-07-05 12:52:14 PM
Powerpoint snobbery generally comes from people who don't know how to do anything useful.
 
2012-07-05 12:57:39 PM
So, to summarize, presentation doesn't matter when you're presenting something. FARK HAS SPOKEN
 
2012-07-05 12:59:33 PM

Tranquil Hegemony: Yeah, what a bunch of pointless whining! Now excuse me while I scrawl my resume with crayon. It's about content, not presentation, right?



No, it really is just a bunch of pointless whining from soe really pedantic douchebags.
 
2012-07-05 01:01:05 PM

Tranquil Hegemony: So, to summarize, presentation doesn't matter when you're presenting something. FARK HAS SPOKEN


You seem really invested in this whole thing. At what point in your life did font become something that is elicits a emotional response for you? Were you raped by a typeface when you were a child? Did you suffer under the abusive hand of the quick brown fox whilst in grade school?
 
2012-07-05 01:01:05 PM

Egoy3k: Tranquil Hegemony: Yeah, what a bunch of pointless whining! Now excuse me while I scrawl my resume with crayon. It's about content, not presentation, right?

The crucial difference is that people interested in the Higgs Boson understand that content trumps presentation whereas Burger King mangers might not.


Furthermore, presentation becomes less important when you're not actively trying to sell something. People attending the Higgs-Boson announcement weren't there questioning whether or not they were going to believe what the scientists told them. Nor were the scientists trying to convince people of their findings. They were presenting them to an active audience which was interested in the content. Giving the situation, making any kind of judgment on something like typeface is like trying to measure an objects weight with a ruler. It's an unsuitable metric for the context. And making such a judgment goes a long way towards announcing that you're entirely irrelevant in the actual subject.
 
2012-07-05 01:06:50 PM

Egoy3k: You seem really invested in this whole thing. At what point in your life did font become something that is elicits a emotional response for you? Were you raped by a typeface when you were a child? Did you suffer under the abusive hand of the quick brown fox whilst in grade school?


How dare you bring up such painful memories! My parents thought Times New Roman was such a safe font. So many serifs... such spindly letters... no... no! Palatino, save me!
 
2012-07-05 01:21:28 PM

Dr Dreidel: Except for the wealth of social science research which says that yes, we do. As much as 90% of what the audience "gets" of your message is wrapped up in how you look/sound delivering it, starting with "being able to hear". If your audience can barely hear you or can't read the hand-scribbled notes on transparencies, you lose. If your font causes visceral negative reactions in ~15% of people and no positive reactions in anyone, you lose.



You must be deluded if you think 15% of people - or even anything but a minuscule minorirty of people - give a damn about comic sans. Most people just don't give a crap if something is in comic sans or not. It's a wholly abnormal thing to actually get upset about.
 
2012-07-05 01:34:12 PM
They did it to piss off the assholes that would put down their work no matter what they did, at least now they know the obvious science trolls for picking on something like a font.

"Hey look, we advanced science more than anyone else in the last 20 years (real science not iphones)"
"Yeah but look at the font you used, LOL ROFL"
"Oh, you are an asshat, GOOD DAY SIR!"
 
2012-07-05 01:38:13 PM

mongbiohazard: Dr Dreidel: Except for the wealth of social science research which says that yes, we do. As much as 90% of what the audience "gets" of your message is wrapped up in how you look/sound delivering it, starting with "being able to hear". If your audience can barely hear you or can't read the hand-scribbled notes on transparencies, you lose. If your font causes visceral negative reactions in ~15% of people and no positive reactions in anyone, you lose.


You must be deluded if you think 15% of people - or even anything but a minuscule minorirty of people - give a damn about comic sans. Most people just don't give a crap if something is in comic sans or not. It's a wholly abnormal thing to actually get upset about.


As a counter argument, I submit this thread. As I've said, most people have no reaction. The ones that do have a reaction have a negative one. So what's the benefit to using Comic Sans?

// I'm thinking of Adam Corolla's Theory of Getting Pulled Over: it can either end benignly or poorly, no benefit
 
2012-07-05 01:42:28 PM
The first rule of the Font Club is "be outraged over comic sans." Are you outraged? Good. You are qualified to practice graphic design.
 
2012-07-05 01:47:56 PM

Dr Dreidel: As a counter argument, I submit this thread. As I've said, most people have no reaction. The ones that do have a reaction have a negative one. So what's the benefit to using Comic Sans?



The benefit to using it is pissing off the few nutbags that give a shiat. If someone starts raving about comic sans you can pretty much just tune them out after that. It's like a moron litmus test.
 
2012-07-05 02:05:35 PM

mongbiohazard: Dr Dreidel: As a counter argument, I submit this thread. As I've said, most people have no reaction. The ones that do have a reaction have a negative one. So what's the benefit to using Comic Sans?


The benefit to using it is pissing off the few nutbags that give a shiat. If someone starts raving about comic sans you can pretty much just tune them out after that. It's like a moron litmus test.


Don't mistake raving for facepalming.

Comic Sans is an unprofessional font. It's perfect for bake sales, but scientific findings, not so much. It also takes about 0.2 seconds to choose which font you're going to use, and Comic Sans is not the default. So these people made the deliberate decision to use the digital equivalent of scrawling with crayon. Hence, facepalming and snickering.

It's like saying they should have been able to present their findings at the conference yesterday in their underwear, and anyone who finds that silly is a moron. I personally feel that presentation is important, and all the more so when the material being presented is important. It goes for attire as well as typefaces. But that's just like, my opinion, man.
 
2012-07-05 02:22:15 PM

Tranquil Hegemony: mongbiohazard: Dr Dreidel: As a counter argument, I submit this thread. As I've said, most people have no reaction. The ones that do have a reaction have a negative one. So what's the benefit to using Comic Sans?


The benefit to using it is pissing off the few nutbags that give a shiat. If someone starts raving about comic sans you can pretty much just tune them out after that. It's like a moron litmus test.

Don't mistake raving for facepalming.

Comic Sans is an unprofessional font. It's perfect for bake sales, but scientific findings, not so much. It also takes about 0.2 seconds to choose which font you're going to use, and Comic Sans is not the default. So these people made the deliberate decision to use the digital equivalent of scrawling with crayon. Hence, facepalming and snickering.

It's like saying they should have been able to present their findings at the conference yesterday in their underwear, and anyone who finds that silly is a moron. I personally feel that presentation is important, and all the more so when the material being presented is important. It goes for attire as well as typefaces. But that's just like, my opinion, man.



But it's NOT presenting in your underwear, it's presenting with a perfectly readable font.

No one whose opinion is worth listening to gives a shiat if it's comic sans or not. Anyone who cares enough to think that it matters to the presentation of a historic discovery is precisely the kind of deluded pedant who can be safely ignored, and nothing of value will be lost.
 
2012-07-05 02:30:34 PM

Tranquil Hegemony: It also takes about 0.2 seconds to choose which font you're going to use, and Comic Sans is not the default. So these people made the deliberate decision to use the digital equivalent of scrawling with crayon. Hence, facepalming and snickering.


Yeah, that's about where I'm at on this "issue". You have to go out of your way to pick this font, passing on others that are less unprofessional. I'd like to know what they were thinking when they made this decision. If it turned out that their actual motivation was "tee hee hee, this'll really piss off those geeks who hate Comic Sans!!!", that would actually be more damaging to their professionalism than just picking Comic Sans.
 
2012-07-05 02:43:26 PM
It's not life-ending, you comic sans apologists...it's UNPROFESSIONAL, that's all. There are plenty of fonts which do not look like a child's writing. I find it well worthy of mockery.

My girlfriend does NOT get why I get all excited when I see a business sign (like, a permanent sign) done in Comic Sans.
 
2012-07-05 02:51:46 PM
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2012-07-05 02:54:29 PM
Oh FFS, can you shut up with the font hate shiat? It's a font, ot doesn't matter. Comic Sans, Papyrus, who the fark cares? The information matters more than the shape of the letters. If you think otherwise, you're just nitpicking and trying to fond something to biatch about. Why not go to the library and complain the book covers are too bright? Or that stop signs are too octagon-y if you're just looking for something to complain about. fark, just shut up about font type.

There. And none of that was in Comic Sans, is that ok with you?
 
2012-07-05 02:56:31 PM

MagnesDrachen: Oh FFS, can you shut up with the font hate shiat? It's a font, ot doesn't matter. Comic Sans, Papyrus, who the fark cares? The information matters more than the shape of the letters. If you think otherwise, you're just nitpicking and trying to fond something to biatch about. Why not go to the library and complain the book covers are too bright? Or that stop signs are too octagon-y if you're just looking for something to complain about. fark, just shut up about font type.

There. And none of that was in Comic Sans, is that ok with you?


Well that full paragraph of ranting sure convinced me the subject doesn't matter to you.
 
2012-07-05 03:02:24 PM
The issue of font doesn't matter to me. But the biatching, the constant, incessant biatching about font, does matter to me. People need to just shutup. It's a font. It's a farking font.
 
2012-07-05 03:04:18 PM
Can we drop the banal discussion of what font to use in scientific presentations, and get on to something important, like whether to write equations in Word or LaTeX?
 
2012-07-05 03:07:21 PM
Tranquil Hegemony:

Comic Sans is an unprofessional font.
...

But that's just like, my opinion, man.

Here's the important parts.

Yes, it largely is a matter of personal opinion. The only difference is this: I don't attach any 'extra' meaning to someone's choice of fonts. It is indeed meaningless.

Those that get all assed up over it? I'm happy to help. Matter of fact, I'm going to start a movement that will result in EVERY SINGLE DEFAULT FONT ON EVERY COMPUTER YOU'LL EVER USE BE SET TO COMIC SANS FOREVER.

Just to piss you people off.

*insert robertdownyyoupeoplepic.jpg
 
2012-07-05 03:13:15 PM

Ambitwistor: Can we drop the banal discussion of what font to use in scientific presentations, and get on to something important, like whether to write equations in Word or LaTeX?


I never got over the steep learning curve for LaTeX, but for as much as I hate MS Word, the equation editor is great. The only problem I have with it is that the word processor has a tendency to re-cast equations as floating objects under some circumstances, and then I have to go through and make the equations all over again.
 
2012-07-05 03:20:24 PM

xaks: Tranquil Hegemony:

Comic Sans is an unprofessional font.
...

But that's just like, my opinion, man.

Here's the important parts.


I'd argue that Comic Sans, designed specifically to resemble a child's handwriting, is by definition not a professional font for professional papers. It's for lemonade stands, bake sales, and school announcements.

Every font in existence was designed by a typographer to convey a certain tone, mood, etc. I understand that most people are not consciously aware of this. You may not have noticed that these papers gave off a vibe of unprofessionalism due to the choice of typeface. But, to paraphrase Red Letter Media, your brain did.
 
2012-07-05 03:20:31 PM

Expolaris: NeoCortex42: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

My advisor during grad school (physics) used Comic Sans for all of his presentations. I tried and tried to convince him otherwise, but he always went back to that damn font.

[lolzombie.com image 600x400]


you should be a comedian
 
2012-07-05 03:22:00 PM
xaks


Those that get all assed up over it? I'm happy to help. Matter of fact, I'm going to start a movement that will result in EVERY SINGLE DEFAULT FONT ON EVERY COMPUTER YOU'LL EVER USE BE SET TO COMIC SANS FOREVER.

Just to piss you people off.


That would work on me for sure. I hate Comic Sans even more today than yesterday because now I realize it gets people fired up that I hate it so much.

we can troll each other from now until forever and ever, amen.
 
2012-07-05 03:40:31 PM

NutznGum: They're shallow people who put style over substance. One of the greatest scientific discoveries in history and they can't get past the font. Pathetic.


Actually the general consensus is: The discovery is so huge the presentation (bad) doesn't matter. It is just too big of a deal. However, in general, presentation is very important when communicating science. Both to other scientists and especially to the public because most stuff isn't this huge and earth-shattering but may still be very important.

mongbiohazard: But it's NOT presenting in your underwear, it's presenting with a perfectly readable font.

No one whose opinion is worth listening to gives a shiat if it's comic sans or not. Anyone who cares enough to think that it matters to the presentation of a historic discovery is precisely the kind of deluded pedant who can be safely ignored, and nothing of value will be lost.


One of the reasons it is loathed is that for many cases, such as presentations, it isn't actually very readable. I'm willing to bet many scientists would disagree with you. Yes content is the single most important thing in science, but most of us have more respect for those who can not only do great science, but present it and tell the story in a clear, concise, and eloquent manner.

Anyway, this whole thing, at least from fellow scientists is, as was said earlier "more of a facepalm" than foaming at the mouth hatred. No one is dismissing them because of the font choice. It's more of a groan and a snicker because no one can believe someone would purposefully chose it given the setting.
 
2012-07-05 03:41:36 PM
I got through my first year of college using absolutely nothing but the 'First Grader' truetype font. For *everything*.

It actually get me all the way to the Dean's office. He was almost crying from the effort to not laugh at the philosophy prof's argument that I be thrown off the campus for 'disrespecting his classroom'.

(It was good to note, at this point, that the Dean rode in a Harley club with a buddy of mine, and we already were friendly acquaintances that had shared many poker runs & beers.)

I probably should not enjoy pissing off the uptight & unbalanced as much as I do. But I'm probably going to hell anyways, so I might as well shoot for first class in this handbasket...
 
2012-07-05 03:50:30 PM
So I fully expect many of you for the next resume you make to use comic sans. Or put it on neon yellow paper. Wear torn jeans to the interview. I mean, it is just the message that matters, right?


Oh and date really ugly chicks that are really nice. Style over substance is the smart way.

Put your money where you mouth is.
 
2012-07-05 04:06:20 PM
CERN scientists inexplicably present Higgs boson findings in Comic Sans

I can make it explicable: Comic Sans is a really incredibly easy font to read. I's never look like L's nor 1's.

Many of your so-called professional-looking fonts can't boast that, so suck.
 
2012-07-05 04:06:57 PM

Egoy3k: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

They are actually physicists, and presumably they think like physicists. I am an engineer and I was also more interested in the data that the typeface but claiming that engineers are not interested in aesthetics shows the ignorance you have about your brothers profession. Sure we care less about aesthetics then say safety and functionality but they are never completely off of the table.


And, frankly, physics is not engineering. I'd say it is an insult to physicists but it is more a compliment to engineers who must know physics in order to do their job properly. The better the physics they learn the better they do their job (usually, at least mechanically) and so the physicists investigate and the engineers use that knowledge.
 
2012-07-05 04:12:01 PM
oooops... I meant "substance over style".
 
2012-07-05 04:15:46 PM

UnspokenVoice: I'd say it is an insult to physicists but it is more a compliment to engineers who must know physics in order to do their job properly. The better the physics they learn the better they do their job (usually, at least mechanically) and so the physicists investigate and the engineers use that knowledge.


Physicists don't work in the real world. I have a physics degree and somehow wound up doing design engineering for a while. Knowing physics, I thought engineering would be a cinch. It was. . . in some ways. The most valuable lesson I learned from my mentor was, "You can design anything if you assume time and money are infinite. Engineering is about designing something with the time and money you're given to work with."

/ Designing a car is really really easy
// Designing a car that people will want to buy for a price they're willing to pay is really really hard
 
2012-07-05 04:28:49 PM

Tranquil Hegemony: I'd argue that Comic Sans, designed specifically to resemble a child's handwriting, is by definition not a professional font for professional papers. It's for lemonade stands, bake sales, and school announcements.


Agreed with everything else you said, but from wiki:

Microsoft designer Vincent Connare says that he began work on Comic Sans in October 1994. Connare had already created a number of child-oriented fonts for various applications, so when he saw a beta version of Microsoft Bob that used Times New Roman in the word balloons of cartoon characters, he decided to create a new face based on the lettering style of comic books he had in his office, specifically The Dark Knight Returns (lettered by John Costanza) and Watchmen (lettered by Dave Gibbons).[
 
2012-07-05 04:29:42 PM

Optimus Primate: My girlfriend does NOT get why I get all excited when I see a business sign (like, a permanent sign) done in Comic Sans.



She gets it. Never let her go, she sounds like your smarter half.

It's just a font, and it's only unprofessional in so much that a handful of whiners somehow got it in to their heads that they think it is. To the rest of us it's no less professional then Arial or Times New Roman or whatever the hell else you pick from your drop down menu in MS Word. Nobody whose opinion matters gives a shiat.

It's not like they used Wingdings for Sagan's sake.
 
2012-07-05 04:32:32 PM
The fact that anyone would get fired up over what type of font someone else uses shows me that they are completely idiotic.
 
2012-07-05 04:34:52 PM
I don't see the big deal.

This is just standard model trolling.
 
2012-07-05 04:55:53 PM
It's a good way to weed out people who care about style over substance.

The ones b*tching about the font are the ones who can be ignored.
 
2012-07-05 04:56:31 PM

NeoCortex42: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

My advisor during grad school (physics) used Comic Sans for all of his presentations. I tried and tried to convince him otherwise, but he always went back to that damn font.


It's a physicist thing. I've seen many a physics seminar in comic sans. You can't explain that.

Well, maybe. I think they would rather go back to the old days where they just write on a transparency sitting on an overhead projector. Comic sans is homage to that.
 
2012-07-05 05:21:28 PM

jigger: NeoCortex42: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

My advisor during grad school (physics) used Comic Sans for all of his presentations. I tried and tried to convince him otherwise, but he always went back to that damn font.

It's a physicist thing. I've seen many a physics seminar in comic sans. You can't explain that.

Well, maybe. I think they would rather go back to the old days where they just write on a transparency sitting on an overhead projector. Comic sans is homage to that.


I wish my handwriting were as legible as Comic Sans. There would be a number of people suffering were they forced to interpret my scrawl.
 
2012-07-05 05:27:18 PM
If you honestly believe there's such a thing as "professional" and "unprofessional" fonts, then you have severe brain damage and should probably be under adult supervision.
 
2012-07-05 05:31:09 PM

Kome: It's a good way to weed out people who care about style over substance.


How about those of us who care about both?
 
2012-07-05 05:40:06 PM
i.imm.io
 
2012-07-05 06:01:47 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: If you honestly believe there's such a thing as "professional" and "unprofessional" fonts, then you have severe brain damage and should probably be under adult supervision.


"If you have font preferences you're a trillion times worse than Hitler!!!11!"
 
2012-07-05 06:41:29 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: If you honestly think that the use of Comic Sans lessens the impact of what is being communicated, YOU are what's wrong with this planet. "Style over substance" is a bad thing, not a farking motto for life (or business...I'm looking at you, Apple).


Except Comic Sans is actually a stylized font itself, it looks informal because someone designed it to be used in informal settings. This was a formal setting and presentation. If it had been any standard regular looking font no one would have said boo.
 
2012-07-05 07:23:37 PM
Who the fark thinks the typeface is important, Rain Man? I didnt even notice it.
 
2012-07-05 08:38:57 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Dr Dreidel: rustypouch: Comic sans is not nice. When someone uses it in a professional setting, they let me know they have next to zero grasp on how to effectively communicate, how others perceive them, or just don't care.

THAT.

Using Comic Sans has zero upside. No one will look at your professional "Quarterly Usage and Informational Metrics Report" written in Comic Sans and go, "Wow! What an awesome piece of intellectual property!", but many people will go "Ugh, what a stomach-turning piece of useless twaddlefluff."

// and you don't want people bagging on your QUIM before you've even had a chance to open it

If there is a font that would make me excited about metrics, please let me know so I can tell the PowerPoint Rangers in my organization. Those meetings can get brutal.


Maybe there's a font that makes the round parts into boobs.
 
2012-07-05 08:41:59 PM
Remember when the entire "comic sans is the worst font ever" was just a meme on /g/? Fun to see how many people are taking it so seriously now.
 
2012-07-05 09:25:28 PM

Dr Dreidel:
// and you don't want people bagging on your QUIM before you've even had a chance to open it


Would that be a mewling quim?
 
2012-07-06 12:13:34 AM
Say you're assigned an important paper to write for school or a business meeting. You start typing and the font happens to be on Comic Sans or any number of "fun"-styled typefaces. What person, regardless of design skills, looks at it and decides it doesn't need changing? How about if the i's were dotted with hearts?
 
2012-07-06 03:59:57 AM
I'm Comic Sans Arsehole (NSFW Language)

And I agree, if you don't think a font matters, put your money where your mouth is and do your resume in Comic Sans. Maybe even Papyrus, Jokerman, Zapfino or hell, go all out and use Bleeding Cowboys. If not, STFU.
 
2012-07-06 04:01:10 AM
If I was holding a conference on the most important physics - and possibly science - discovery of the year, I think I'd forbid anything else BUT comic sans. Especially if journos are coming in to interview my team leads. Because I farking (t)roll that way, that's why.
 
2012-07-06 04:22:25 AM
www.happpy.it renders the webpage of your choice in Comic Sans. I'm neither a designer or font snob,but I stopped after trying it on a few webpages.
 
2012-07-06 05:56:51 AM
People who care what font this information was delivered in really don`t matter. Pissing them off has only positive or neutral effects so there is no reason to avoid it.
 
2012-07-06 06:12:31 AM

starsrift: If I was holding a conference on the most important physics - and possibly science - discovery of the year, I think I'd forbid anything else BUT comic sans. Especially if journos are coming in to interview my team leads. Because I farking (t)roll that way, that's why.


I would like to subscribe to your printed publication.
 
2012-07-06 08:39:14 AM
The most logical choice would have been Helvetica.
 
2012-07-06 09:11:08 AM

rustypouch: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

If they can't get the basics of public communication right, it reflects poorly on them.

It's like if someone presented while wearing a rainbow wig and clown nose. No matter how good the info, it would be tainted because of the presentation.


You think you're cute, but you're not.

These guys could have done exactly that -- fright wigs, wheezers, and all -- and it would still be just as momentous an announcement. I'm sure you'd want to check their math, though. Go ahead -- I'll be at the punchbowl when you're done.

Let me clue you in on something: Many people who are extremely good at what they do are not good at these superficial things you think are so goddamned important that you can judge them by them. You can't. My mechanic dresses like a slob; I don't judge him for it, he does great work. My old boss dressed like an English butler and spoke like an orator, and was an incompetent asshole. The job is what matters. If presentation is your job, then presentation matters a great deal. Sometimes, people who are good at something else, and wish to present it, hire smart people like you to handle that. But just as often -- especially if they're really busy and spending someone else's money (say, a huge and very costly international nonprofit research project) -- they do it themselves, and expect the content to speak for itself. But you can always count on some people being too precious to appreciate that.
 
2012-07-06 09:57:31 AM
The world is wonderland of poor graphic design. HTML itself is designed to destroy good graphic design. So why does comic sans get 95% of the attention? Looking at my Fark page right now, I have 12pt. type in a 12 inch column. That's awful for reading comprehension, I can't even set my window less than seven inches without clipping the copy.
Complaining about comic sans seems to indicate that 'comic sans is bad' is everything you know about design.
 
2012-07-06 10:11:08 AM
Dear Jerk

Complaining about comic sans seems to indicate that 'comic sans is bad' is everything you know about design.

FFS, the thread is about comic sans....not bad design principles in general.
 
2012-07-06 10:42:51 AM
it is bad craftsmanship.

if you are a professional of some sort you will get it...if you aren't then you will *bites tongue*
 
2012-07-06 01:48:05 PM

dready zim: starsrift: If I was holding a conference on the most important physics - and possibly science - discovery of the year, I think I'd forbid anything else BUT comic sans. Especially if journos are coming in to interview my team leads. Because I farking (t)roll that way, that's why.

I would like to subscribe to your printed publication.


It's in Wingdings.
 
2012-07-06 05:19:37 PM

DECMATH: rustypouch: When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

With me, it's background music. News, traffic, weather -- If there's a jingle going behind the speaker, I always take that as a signal "this isn't important enough to listen to".


I'm exactly the same way. Plus, if they toss in a joke or two, it sends an even stronger message about how unserious they are, and I just tune out. If you're doing stand-up, awesome. If you're writing about something, I'm honestly not interested in your feeble and embarrassing attempts to amuse me, which I actually take as insulting. I'm grown up enough to follow along with out having to entertained like a four-year-old with the millennial equivalent of bellybutton jokes.
 
2012-07-06 05:24:35 PM
Would everyone here who was invited to attend this thing please raise your hand?

Yeah, thought so. Shut up.
 
2012-07-06 05:37:53 PM

starsrift: It's in Wingdings.


And rendered into a .bmp file prior to distribution, I hope?

www.picshag.com
 
2012-07-07 05:20:56 AM
first world white people problems..lol
 
2012-07-07 05:42:02 PM

Egoy3k: Expolaris: Oh i mean't no offense. It was more playful poking fun at my Brother than ignorance. He's always had that careful measured engineer approach to everything he's done in life, even before he got his career he had the personality. It's good to have someone like that in my life, i pull him out of his shell and he keeps me from floating off into tangental space.

Yeah sadly I sound a lot like your brother. I'm 28 and I have a well padded pension plan and I'm aggressively downpaying my student debt and I'll be looking for my first house soon. that all sounds great but the problem is I've never done anything just for fun in my life and I'm starting to worry that by the time I have the finances in order I'll have no hobbies or interests to explore.


Assuming you're an American, try traveling internationally. Start with countries where you can handle the language, then explore into less-common locations like eastern Europe. Try to stay in good hostels rather than hotels (when in Europe), as it will be easier for you to meet people.
You wouldn't believe the fun and influence you can have just by saying the words "I'm an American".

/knows from experience in eastern Europe.
//loved getting into clubs without needing to pay the cover charge, and being asked by bouncers and bartenders to return as often as possible.
///still friends with some of the amazing people I met.
 
2012-07-08 07:40:45 AM

DanZero: Evil Twin Skippy: [www.etoyoc.com image 640x442]

From a thread yesterday

[img696.imageshack.us image 640x436]



LOL
 
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