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(The Verge)   You're about to present the news that will be remembered forever in the history of physics, so what font do you use? Comic Sans, of course   (theverge.com) divider line 143
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2012-07-05 03:20:31 PM

Expolaris: NeoCortex42: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

My advisor during grad school (physics) used Comic Sans for all of his presentations. I tried and tried to convince him otherwise, but he always went back to that damn font.

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you should be a comedian
 
2012-07-05 03:22:00 PM
xaks


Those that get all assed up over it? I'm happy to help. Matter of fact, I'm going to start a movement that will result in EVERY SINGLE DEFAULT FONT ON EVERY COMPUTER YOU'LL EVER USE BE SET TO COMIC SANS FOREVER.

Just to piss you people off.


That would work on me for sure. I hate Comic Sans even more today than yesterday because now I realize it gets people fired up that I hate it so much.

we can troll each other from now until forever and ever, amen.
 
2012-07-05 03:40:31 PM

NutznGum: They're shallow people who put style over substance. One of the greatest scientific discoveries in history and they can't get past the font. Pathetic.


Actually the general consensus is: The discovery is so huge the presentation (bad) doesn't matter. It is just too big of a deal. However, in general, presentation is very important when communicating science. Both to other scientists and especially to the public because most stuff isn't this huge and earth-shattering but may still be very important.

mongbiohazard: But it's NOT presenting in your underwear, it's presenting with a perfectly readable font.

No one whose opinion is worth listening to gives a shiat if it's comic sans or not. Anyone who cares enough to think that it matters to the presentation of a historic discovery is precisely the kind of deluded pedant who can be safely ignored, and nothing of value will be lost.


One of the reasons it is loathed is that for many cases, such as presentations, it isn't actually very readable. I'm willing to bet many scientists would disagree with you. Yes content is the single most important thing in science, but most of us have more respect for those who can not only do great science, but present it and tell the story in a clear, concise, and eloquent manner.

Anyway, this whole thing, at least from fellow scientists is, as was said earlier "more of a facepalm" than foaming at the mouth hatred. No one is dismissing them because of the font choice. It's more of a groan and a snicker because no one can believe someone would purposefully chose it given the setting.
 
2012-07-05 03:41:36 PM
I got through my first year of college using absolutely nothing but the 'First Grader' truetype font. For *everything*.

It actually get me all the way to the Dean's office. He was almost crying from the effort to not laugh at the philosophy prof's argument that I be thrown off the campus for 'disrespecting his classroom'.

(It was good to note, at this point, that the Dean rode in a Harley club with a buddy of mine, and we already were friendly acquaintances that had shared many poker runs & beers.)

I probably should not enjoy pissing off the uptight & unbalanced as much as I do. But I'm probably going to hell anyways, so I might as well shoot for first class in this handbasket...
 
2012-07-05 03:50:30 PM
So I fully expect many of you for the next resume you make to use comic sans. Or put it on neon yellow paper. Wear torn jeans to the interview. I mean, it is just the message that matters, right?


Oh and date really ugly chicks that are really nice. Style over substance is the smart way.

Put your money where you mouth is.
 
2012-07-05 04:06:20 PM
CERN scientists inexplicably present Higgs boson findings in Comic Sans

I can make it explicable: Comic Sans is a really incredibly easy font to read. I's never look like L's nor 1's.

Many of your so-called professional-looking fonts can't boast that, so suck.
 
2012-07-05 04:06:57 PM

Egoy3k: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

They are actually physicists, and presumably they think like physicists. I am an engineer and I was also more interested in the data that the typeface but claiming that engineers are not interested in aesthetics shows the ignorance you have about your brothers profession. Sure we care less about aesthetics then say safety and functionality but they are never completely off of the table.


And, frankly, physics is not engineering. I'd say it is an insult to physicists but it is more a compliment to engineers who must know physics in order to do their job properly. The better the physics they learn the better they do their job (usually, at least mechanically) and so the physicists investigate and the engineers use that knowledge.
 
2012-07-05 04:12:01 PM
oooops... I meant "substance over style".
 
2012-07-05 04:15:46 PM

UnspokenVoice: I'd say it is an insult to physicists but it is more a compliment to engineers who must know physics in order to do their job properly. The better the physics they learn the better they do their job (usually, at least mechanically) and so the physicists investigate and the engineers use that knowledge.


Physicists don't work in the real world. I have a physics degree and somehow wound up doing design engineering for a while. Knowing physics, I thought engineering would be a cinch. It was. . . in some ways. The most valuable lesson I learned from my mentor was, "You can design anything if you assume time and money are infinite. Engineering is about designing something with the time and money you're given to work with."

/ Designing a car is really really easy
// Designing a car that people will want to buy for a price they're willing to pay is really really hard
 
2012-07-05 04:28:49 PM

Tranquil Hegemony: I'd argue that Comic Sans, designed specifically to resemble a child's handwriting, is by definition not a professional font for professional papers. It's for lemonade stands, bake sales, and school announcements.


Agreed with everything else you said, but from wiki:

Microsoft designer Vincent Connare says that he began work on Comic Sans in October 1994. Connare had already created a number of child-oriented fonts for various applications, so when he saw a beta version of Microsoft Bob that used Times New Roman in the word balloons of cartoon characters, he decided to create a new face based on the lettering style of comic books he had in his office, specifically The Dark Knight Returns (lettered by John Costanza) and Watchmen (lettered by Dave Gibbons).[
 
2012-07-05 04:29:42 PM

Optimus Primate: My girlfriend does NOT get why I get all excited when I see a business sign (like, a permanent sign) done in Comic Sans.



She gets it. Never let her go, she sounds like your smarter half.

It's just a font, and it's only unprofessional in so much that a handful of whiners somehow got it in to their heads that they think it is. To the rest of us it's no less professional then Arial or Times New Roman or whatever the hell else you pick from your drop down menu in MS Word. Nobody whose opinion matters gives a shiat.

It's not like they used Wingdings for Sagan's sake.
 
2012-07-05 04:32:32 PM
The fact that anyone would get fired up over what type of font someone else uses shows me that they are completely idiotic.
 
2012-07-05 04:34:52 PM
I don't see the big deal.

This is just standard model trolling.
 
2012-07-05 04:55:53 PM
It's a good way to weed out people who care about style over substance.

The ones b*tching about the font are the ones who can be ignored.
 
2012-07-05 04:56:31 PM

NeoCortex42: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

My advisor during grad school (physics) used Comic Sans for all of his presentations. I tried and tried to convince him otherwise, but he always went back to that damn font.


It's a physicist thing. I've seen many a physics seminar in comic sans. You can't explain that.

Well, maybe. I think they would rather go back to the old days where they just write on a transparency sitting on an overhead projector. Comic sans is homage to that.
 
2012-07-05 05:21:28 PM

jigger: NeoCortex42: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

My advisor during grad school (physics) used Comic Sans for all of his presentations. I tried and tried to convince him otherwise, but he always went back to that damn font.

It's a physicist thing. I've seen many a physics seminar in comic sans. You can't explain that.

Well, maybe. I think they would rather go back to the old days where they just write on a transparency sitting on an overhead projector. Comic sans is homage to that.


I wish my handwriting were as legible as Comic Sans. There would be a number of people suffering were they forced to interpret my scrawl.
 
2012-07-05 05:27:18 PM
If you honestly believe there's such a thing as "professional" and "unprofessional" fonts, then you have severe brain damage and should probably be under adult supervision.
 
2012-07-05 05:31:09 PM

Kome: It's a good way to weed out people who care about style over substance.


How about those of us who care about both?
 
2012-07-05 05:40:06 PM
i.imm.io
 
2012-07-05 06:01:47 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: If you honestly believe there's such a thing as "professional" and "unprofessional" fonts, then you have severe brain damage and should probably be under adult supervision.


"If you have font preferences you're a trillion times worse than Hitler!!!11!"
 
2012-07-05 06:41:29 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: If you honestly think that the use of Comic Sans lessens the impact of what is being communicated, YOU are what's wrong with this planet. "Style over substance" is a bad thing, not a farking motto for life (or business...I'm looking at you, Apple).


Except Comic Sans is actually a stylized font itself, it looks informal because someone designed it to be used in informal settings. This was a formal setting and presentation. If it had been any standard regular looking font no one would have said boo.
 
2012-07-05 07:23:37 PM
Who the fark thinks the typeface is important, Rain Man? I didnt even notice it.
 
2012-07-05 08:38:57 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Dr Dreidel: rustypouch: Comic sans is not nice. When someone uses it in a professional setting, they let me know they have next to zero grasp on how to effectively communicate, how others perceive them, or just don't care.

THAT.

Using Comic Sans has zero upside. No one will look at your professional "Quarterly Usage and Informational Metrics Report" written in Comic Sans and go, "Wow! What an awesome piece of intellectual property!", but many people will go "Ugh, what a stomach-turning piece of useless twaddlefluff."

// and you don't want people bagging on your QUIM before you've even had a chance to open it

If there is a font that would make me excited about metrics, please let me know so I can tell the PowerPoint Rangers in my organization. Those meetings can get brutal.


Maybe there's a font that makes the round parts into boobs.
 
2012-07-05 08:41:59 PM
Remember when the entire "comic sans is the worst font ever" was just a meme on /g/? Fun to see how many people are taking it so seriously now.
 
2012-07-05 09:25:28 PM

Dr Dreidel:
// and you don't want people bagging on your QUIM before you've even had a chance to open it


Would that be a mewling quim?
 
2012-07-06 12:13:34 AM
Say you're assigned an important paper to write for school or a business meeting. You start typing and the font happens to be on Comic Sans or any number of "fun"-styled typefaces. What person, regardless of design skills, looks at it and decides it doesn't need changing? How about if the i's were dotted with hearts?
 
2012-07-06 03:59:57 AM
I'm Comic Sans Arsehole (NSFW Language)

And I agree, if you don't think a font matters, put your money where your mouth is and do your resume in Comic Sans. Maybe even Papyrus, Jokerman, Zapfino or hell, go all out and use Bleeding Cowboys. If not, STFU.
 
2012-07-06 04:01:10 AM
If I was holding a conference on the most important physics - and possibly science - discovery of the year, I think I'd forbid anything else BUT comic sans. Especially if journos are coming in to interview my team leads. Because I farking (t)roll that way, that's why.
 
2012-07-06 04:22:25 AM
www.happpy.it renders the webpage of your choice in Comic Sans. I'm neither a designer or font snob,but I stopped after trying it on a few webpages.
 
2012-07-06 05:56:51 AM
People who care what font this information was delivered in really don`t matter. Pissing them off has only positive or neutral effects so there is no reason to avoid it.
 
2012-07-06 06:12:31 AM

starsrift: If I was holding a conference on the most important physics - and possibly science - discovery of the year, I think I'd forbid anything else BUT comic sans. Especially if journos are coming in to interview my team leads. Because I farking (t)roll that way, that's why.


I would like to subscribe to your printed publication.
 
2012-07-06 08:39:14 AM
The most logical choice would have been Helvetica.
 
2012-07-06 09:11:08 AM

rustypouch: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

If they can't get the basics of public communication right, it reflects poorly on them.

It's like if someone presented while wearing a rainbow wig and clown nose. No matter how good the info, it would be tainted because of the presentation.


You think you're cute, but you're not.

These guys could have done exactly that -- fright wigs, wheezers, and all -- and it would still be just as momentous an announcement. I'm sure you'd want to check their math, though. Go ahead -- I'll be at the punchbowl when you're done.

Let me clue you in on something: Many people who are extremely good at what they do are not good at these superficial things you think are so goddamned important that you can judge them by them. You can't. My mechanic dresses like a slob; I don't judge him for it, he does great work. My old boss dressed like an English butler and spoke like an orator, and was an incompetent asshole. The job is what matters. If presentation is your job, then presentation matters a great deal. Sometimes, people who are good at something else, and wish to present it, hire smart people like you to handle that. But just as often -- especially if they're really busy and spending someone else's money (say, a huge and very costly international nonprofit research project) -- they do it themselves, and expect the content to speak for itself. But you can always count on some people being too precious to appreciate that.
 
2012-07-06 09:57:31 AM
The world is wonderland of poor graphic design. HTML itself is designed to destroy good graphic design. So why does comic sans get 95% of the attention? Looking at my Fark page right now, I have 12pt. type in a 12 inch column. That's awful for reading comprehension, I can't even set my window less than seven inches without clipping the copy.
Complaining about comic sans seems to indicate that 'comic sans is bad' is everything you know about design.
 
2012-07-06 10:11:08 AM
Dear Jerk

Complaining about comic sans seems to indicate that 'comic sans is bad' is everything you know about design.

FFS, the thread is about comic sans....not bad design principles in general.
 
2012-07-06 10:42:51 AM
it is bad craftsmanship.

if you are a professional of some sort you will get it...if you aren't then you will *bites tongue*
 
2012-07-06 01:48:05 PM

dready zim: starsrift: If I was holding a conference on the most important physics - and possibly science - discovery of the year, I think I'd forbid anything else BUT comic sans. Especially if journos are coming in to interview my team leads. Because I farking (t)roll that way, that's why.

I would like to subscribe to your printed publication.


It's in Wingdings.
 
2012-07-06 05:19:37 PM

DECMATH: rustypouch: When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

With me, it's background music. News, traffic, weather -- If there's a jingle going behind the speaker, I always take that as a signal "this isn't important enough to listen to".


I'm exactly the same way. Plus, if they toss in a joke or two, it sends an even stronger message about how unserious they are, and I just tune out. If you're doing stand-up, awesome. If you're writing about something, I'm honestly not interested in your feeble and embarrassing attempts to amuse me, which I actually take as insulting. I'm grown up enough to follow along with out having to entertained like a four-year-old with the millennial equivalent of bellybutton jokes.
 
2012-07-06 05:24:35 PM
Would everyone here who was invited to attend this thing please raise your hand?

Yeah, thought so. Shut up.
 
2012-07-06 05:37:53 PM

starsrift: It's in Wingdings.


And rendered into a .bmp file prior to distribution, I hope?

www.picshag.com
 
2012-07-07 05:20:56 AM
first world white people problems..lol
 
2012-07-07 05:42:02 PM

Egoy3k: Expolaris: Oh i mean't no offense. It was more playful poking fun at my Brother than ignorance. He's always had that careful measured engineer approach to everything he's done in life, even before he got his career he had the personality. It's good to have someone like that in my life, i pull him out of his shell and he keeps me from floating off into tangental space.

Yeah sadly I sound a lot like your brother. I'm 28 and I have a well padded pension plan and I'm aggressively downpaying my student debt and I'll be looking for my first house soon. that all sounds great but the problem is I've never done anything just for fun in my life and I'm starting to worry that by the time I have the finances in order I'll have no hobbies or interests to explore.


Assuming you're an American, try traveling internationally. Start with countries where you can handle the language, then explore into less-common locations like eastern Europe. Try to stay in good hostels rather than hotels (when in Europe), as it will be easier for you to meet people.
You wouldn't believe the fun and influence you can have just by saying the words "I'm an American".

/knows from experience in eastern Europe.
//loved getting into clubs without needing to pay the cover charge, and being asked by bouncers and bartenders to return as often as possible.
///still friends with some of the amazing people I met.
 
2012-07-08 07:40:45 AM

DanZero: Evil Twin Skippy: [www.etoyoc.com image 640x442]

From a thread yesterday

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LOL
 
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