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2012-07-05 09:04:58 AM  
Given that the Higgs boson gives matter its mass, I'd be more concerned with the font's weight than it's type.
 
2012-07-05 09:56:34 AM  
Scientistses be trollin...
 
2012-07-05 09:58:51 AM  

BurnShrike: Given that the Higgs boson gives matter its mass, I'd be more concerned with the font's weight than it's type.


We couldn't account for 96% of the universe's mass. With all our science - billions and billions of dollars and billions and billions of man-hours - it is therefore quite COMICal that the universe was, for lack of proof, SANS MasS.

// maybe that's why?
 
2012-07-05 09:59:21 AM  
No it is a special font called Comic CERNs
 
2012-07-05 09:59:40 AM  
I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.
 
2012-07-05 10:00:11 AM  
Cosmic Sans?
 
2012-07-05 10:01:23 AM  

Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.


My advisor during grad school (physics) used Comic Sans for all of his presentations. I tried and tried to convince him otherwise, but he always went back to that damn font.
 
2012-07-05 10:02:39 AM  

Expolaris: This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.


Impact font!!
 
2012-07-05 10:04:01 AM  
Give a shiat about what someting says, not what font it is in. They could've written it in their own feces for all I care
 
2012-07-05 10:05:47 AM  

kkinnison: No it is a special font called Comic CERNs


ERMAGHERD CERMERC CERNS

// ermagherd-perticle?
 
2012-07-05 10:06:31 AM  
I bet font nazis did nazi it coming
 
2012-07-05 10:06:48 AM  
Comic Sans + AOL email address = the most trollerific form of communcation ever. There is nothing you can say that someone wont believe you take seriously.
 
2012-07-05 10:08:00 AM  

NeoCortex42: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

My advisor during grad school (physics) used Comic Sans for all of his presentations. I tried and tried to convince him otherwise, but he always went back to that damn font.


lolzombie.com
 
2012-07-05 10:11:42 AM  

Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.


They are actually physicists, and presumably they think like physicists. I am an engineer and I was also more interested in the data that the typeface but claiming that engineers are not interested in aesthetics shows the ignorance you have about your brothers profession. Sure we care less about aesthetics then say safety and functionality but they are never completely off of the table.
 
2012-07-05 10:12:34 AM  
That's nice. What font did you use when you discovered the God particle? Oh, you didn't? How about one of your other major physics discoveries? None? Okay then.

/stupid people problems
 
2012-07-05 10:15:28 AM  

Egoy3k: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

They are actually physicists, and presumably they think like physicists. I am an engineer and I was also more interested in the data that the typeface but claiming that engineers are not interested in aesthetics shows the ignorance you have about your brothers profession. Sure we care less about aesthetics then say safety and functionality but they are never completely off of the table.


I'm a scientist, and I think this is best summarized as function over form. Having said that, I recently watched Helvetica, an indie documentary about typefaces. I see now why using Comic Sans may have been not the best choice.

/Used Comic Sans for presentations has an undergrad/grad.
 
2012-07-05 10:15:46 AM  
It's worse than just Comic Sans... It's Comic Sans in white on a blue background.
 
2012-07-05 10:19:12 AM  
mehallo.com
 
2012-07-05 10:19:28 AM  

Egoy3k: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

They are actually physicists, and presumably they think like physicists. I am an engineer and I was also more interested in the data that the typeface but claiming that engineers are not interested in aesthetics shows the ignorance you have about your brothers profession. Sure we care less about aesthetics then say safety and functionality but they are never completely off of the table.


Oh i mean't no offense. It was more playful poking fun at my Brother than ignorance. He's always had that careful measured engineer approach to everything he's done in life, even before he got his career he had the personality. It's good to have someone like that in my life, i pull him out of his shell and he keeps me from floating off into tangental space.
 
2012-07-05 10:23:08 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: /Used Comic Sans for presentations has an undergrad/grad.


My former PhD adviser was an absolute zealot about fonts and colors for slide presentations. He declared a fatwa on fonts with serifs, and probably would have killed me if I used Comic Sans. One thing he was definitely right about was that half of the effectiveness of a presentation is the aesthetics; it doesn't matter how interesting your results are (paradigm altering/reaffirming results like the HB results notwithstanding) if they are presented in such a way as to make your audience shut off by slide 2.

My personal deal-breaker is the white background, black Times New Roman text, with nothing but a wall of equations. Thanks for letting me know you don't give a shiat about this presentation in such a concise manner.
 
2012-07-05 10:24:46 AM  
 
2012-07-05 10:25:31 AM  

Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.


When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

If they can't get the basics of public communication right, it reflects poorly on them.

It's like if someone presented while wearing a rainbow wig and clown nose. No matter how good the info, it would be tainted because of the presentation.
 
2012-07-05 10:26:19 AM  
Could have been worse. They could have used Papyrus or Wingdings.

/Used to use Papyrus all the time as a kid.
//Those were dark times...
 
2012-07-05 10:28:04 AM  
Now that we've found the God Particle, you can all stop wasting your time in church.
 
2012-07-05 10:28:16 AM  

Expolaris: Oh i mean't no offense. It was more playful poking fun at my Brother than ignorance. He's always had that careful measured engineer approach to everything he's done in life, even before he got his career he had the personality. It's good to have someone like that in my life, i pull him out of his shell and he keeps me from floating off into tangental space.


Yeah sadly I sound a lot like your brother. I'm 28 and I have a well padded pension plan and I'm aggressively downpaying my student debt and I'll be looking for my first house soon. that all sounds great but the problem is I've never done anything just for fun in my life and I'm starting to worry that by the time I have the finances in order I'll have no hobbies or interests to explore.
 
2012-07-05 10:29:09 AM  

Reversed: [mehallo.com image 380x507]


QED: Helvetica > Comic Sans
 
2012-07-05 10:31:50 AM  

Egoy3k: Expolaris: Oh i mean't no offense. It was more playful poking fun at my Brother than ignorance. He's always had that careful measured engineer approach to everything he's done in life, even before he got his career he had the personality. It's good to have someone like that in my life, i pull him out of his shell and he keeps me from floating off into tangental space.

Yeah sadly I sound a lot like your brother. I'm 28 and I have a well padded pension plan and I'm aggressively downpaying my student debt and I'll be looking for my first house soon. that all sounds great but the problem is I've never done anything just for fun in my life and I'm starting to worry that by the time I have the finances in order I'll have no hobbies or interests to explore.


You sound a bunch like him....is your name also David...?

Live the dream man. My brother is getting married next year, is gonna buy his first house soon after. His hobby is running. It's something he can do alone, repetitively and efficiently. He just finished his first Ironman. I'm only up to a half marathon, i'll catch his ass eventually.

Tattoo he got to commemorate his epic achievement (without Comics Sans)

sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-05 10:32:47 AM  

Egoy3k: Expolaris: Oh i mean't no offense. It was more playful poking fun at my Brother than ignorance. He's always had that careful measured engineer approach to everything he's done in life, even before he got his career he had the personality. It's good to have someone like that in my life, i pull him out of his shell and he keeps me from floating off into tangental space.

Yeah sadly I sound a lot like your brother. I'm 28 and I have a well padded pension plan and I'm aggressively downpaying my student debt and I'll be looking for my first house soon. that all sounds great but the problem is I've never done anything just for fun in my life and I'm starting to worry that by the time I have the finances in order I'll have no hobbies or interests to explore.


marry someone who is both fiscally responsible and able to part with a dollar.

I'm like you. My partner is both good with money and able to spend it. That means we go on big, fun, expensive holidays. But only every 5 years or so, and they are all paid for up front.
 
2012-07-05 10:33:58 AM  

Mytch: That's nice. What font did you use when you discovered the God particle? Oh, you didn't? How about one of your other major physics discoveries? None? Okay then.

/stupid people problems


I read that in Willy Wonka's voice.
 
2012-07-05 10:36:50 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Smoky Dragon Dish: /Used Comic Sans for presentations has an undergrad/grad.

My former PhD adviser was an absolute zealot about fonts and colors for slide presentations. He declared a fatwa on fonts with serifs, and probably would have killed me if I used Comic Sans. One thing he was definitely right about was that half of the effectiveness of a presentation is the aesthetics; it doesn't matter how interesting your results are (paradigm altering/reaffirming results like the HB results notwithstanding) if they are presented in such a way as to make your audience shut off by slide 2.

My personal deal-breaker is the white background, black Times New Roman text, with nothing but a wall of equations. Thanks for letting me know you don't give a shiat about this presentation in such a concise manner.


I just finished spending the better part of 3 weeks on a presentation of part of my dissertation (it's a big conference and I'm looking for a job). White background, black sans serif font, diagrams in strong but not primary colors. If it doesn't look good the audience won't be with you, even subconsciously.
 
2012-07-05 10:37:41 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Smoky Dragon Dish: /Used Comic Sans for presentations has an undergrad/grad.

My former PhD adviser was an absolute zealot about fonts and colors for slide presentations. He declared a fatwa on fonts with serifs, and probably would have killed me if I used Comic Sans. One thing he was definitely right about was that half of the effectiveness of a presentation is the aesthetics; it doesn't matter how interesting your results are (paradigm altering/reaffirming results like the HB results notwithstanding) if they are presented in such a way as to make your audience shut off by slide 2.

My personal deal-breaker is the white background, black Times New Roman text, with nothing but a wall of equations. Thanks for letting me know you don't give a shiat about this presentation in such a concise manner.


I wrote my Master's thesis (1996) in Courier for two reasons. 1) It looks like a typewriter. 2) Its a fixed-width font, making tables et al. a lot easier to work with. I showed someone my thesis recently, and they loved how it looked.

I sort of understand using sans serif fonts, since (I think, anyway) they're easier to read. I find Times New Roman agony to read. I never liked it.

And, all those presentations that I gave... it wasn't using PowerPoint, it was using transparencies. ;-)

Anyway, Helvetica is a pretty interesting flick. I've been meaning to watch it for 4 years now, but I thought it would be boring. It's actually pretty interesting. I never realized how pervasive that typeface is, and WHY it's pervasive.
 
2012-07-05 10:37:41 AM  

imontheinternet: Now that we've found the God Particle, you can all stop wasting your time in church.


But then where will I go to Mass?
 
2012-07-05 10:39:24 AM  
www.etoyoc.com
 
2012-07-05 10:39:51 AM  

Disposable Rob: Mytch: That's nice. What font did you use when you discovered the God particle? Oh, you didn't? How about one of your other major physics discoveries? None? Okay then.

/stupid people problems

I read that in Willy Wonka's voice.


i45.tinypic.com

"It's all there, black and white, in Comic Sans, clear as crystal! You stole Higgs Boson particles! You bumped into the supercollider which now has to be washed and sterilized, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day, sir!"
 
2012-07-05 10:41:41 AM  

rustypouch: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

If they can't get the basics of public communication right, it reflects poorly on them.

It's like if someone presented while wearing a rainbow wig and clown nose. No matter how good the info, it would be tainted because of the presentation.


People as anal-retentive and straight-laced as you are, essentially, why we as a species generally can't have nice things.

Lighten up, Francis.
 
2012-07-05 10:44:39 AM  
Never understood why people get their panties in a bind so much about a font.
 
2012-07-05 10:45:48 AM  
ignore the font, focus on the discovery people
 
2012-07-05 10:47:13 AM  

SwingDancer: Never understood why people get their panties in a bind so much about a font.


If it was drafting, I can understand, all the textbooks have you lettering in a single font style
 
2012-07-05 10:47:30 AM  

rustypouch: When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.


With me, it's background music. News, traffic, weather -- If there's a jingle going behind the speaker, I always take that as a signal "this isn't important enough to listen to".
 
2012-07-05 10:47:47 AM  
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2012-07-05 10:51:54 AM  
chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-05 10:54:34 AM  

xaks: rustypouch: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

If they can't get the basics of public communication right, it reflects poorly on them.

It's like if someone presented while wearing a rainbow wig and clown nose. No matter how good the info, it would be tainted because of the presentation.

People as anal-retentive and straight-laced as you are, essentially, why we as a species generally can't have nice things.

Lighten up, Francis.


If Apple used Comic Sans in their logo and/or marketing they wouldn't be half as popular.
 
2012-07-05 10:57:02 AM  

SwingDancer: Never understood why people get their panties in a bind so much about a font.


I was like that before i started my current job. Being a writer surrounded by designers, i often write in TNR , or Cambria (the default word font is actually pretty nice IMO) but then get snapped at when it's given to them in a font they have to strain their eye to read. Especially with larger blocks of copy, it gets ugly.

I can see the difference in how they format their presentations, they kern every last letter down to the pixel. They know every dirty awkward curve in Comics Sans. It unnerves them almost as much as giving them a word doc when they wanted a PDF.

I've learned to give them copy in less rage inducing typefaces.
 
2012-07-05 10:58:17 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: My former PhD adviser was an absolute zealot about fonts and colors for slide presentations. He declared a fatwa on fonts with serifs, and probably would have killed me if I used Comic Sans. One thing he was definitely right about was that half of the effectiveness of a presentation is the aesthetics; it doesn't matter how interesting your results are (paradigm altering/reaffirming results like the HB results notwithstanding) if they are presented in such a way as to make your audience shut off by slide 2.


Mine was a moderate zealot about presentations and type faces, mostly type faces and when to suer serif versus non-serif fonts but not so much what exact fonts to use except the obvious. I tend to care about design and put a fair amount of effort in making my presentations and posters look good as well as explain the data.


My personal deal-breaker is the white background, black Times New Roman text, with nothing but a wall of equations. Thanks for letting me know you don't give a shiat about this presentation in such a concise manner.


White background and black text is actually the best combination, in general, for presentations. I tend to break it up with coloured headers/footers or something though to make it look better. Walls of equations though are another matter.
 
2012-07-05 10:59:18 AM  

xaks: rustypouch: Expolaris: I can't blame them, they are engineers, and thought like engineers. My brother (an engineer) didn't really see a problem with the typeface, he was more interested in the data.

Just funny to see how a little detail like this can stop people from taking in how awesome this is.

This is why there are designers, and people who are really good at typography to present this kind of information to the public.

When I see a presentation using comic sans, it makes we wonder if the person using it knows what they are doing. I have a hard time taking them seriously.

If they can't get the basics of public communication right, it reflects poorly on them.

It's like if someone presented while wearing a rainbow wig and clown nose. No matter how good the info, it would be tainted because of the presentation.

People as anal-retentive and straight-laced as you are, essentially, why we as a species generally can't have nice things.

Lighten up, Francis.


Me, straight laced? Heh.

I very much like nice things, and understand the importance of design.

Comic sans is not nice. When someone uses it in a professional setting, they let me know they have next to zero grasp on how to effectively communicate, how others perceive them, or just don't care.
 
2012-07-05 11:01:27 AM  

entropic_existence: LouDobbsAwaaaay: My former PhD adviser was an absolute zealot about fonts and colors for slide presentations. He declared a fatwa on fonts with serifs, and probably would have killed me if I used Comic Sans. One thing he was definitely right about was that half of the effectiveness of a presentation is the aesthetics; it doesn't matter how interesting your results are (paradigm altering/reaffirming results like the HB results notwithstanding) if they are presented in such a way as to make your audience shut off by slide 2.

Mine was a moderate zealot about presentations and type faces, mostly type faces and when to suer serif versus non-serif fonts but not so much what exact fonts to use except the obvious. I tend to care about design and put a fair amount of effort in making my presentations and posters look good as well as explain the data.


My personal deal-breaker is the white background, black Times New Roman text, with nothing but a wall of equations. Thanks for letting me know you don't give a shiat about this presentation in such a concise manner.

White background and black text is actually the best combination, in general, for presentations. I tend to break it up with coloured headers/footers or something though to make it look better. Walls of equations though are another matter.


huh, all we had to do was use LaTex.
 
2012-07-05 11:04:00 AM  

rustypouch: Comic sans is not nice. When someone uses it in a professional setting, they let me know they have next to zero grasp on how to effectively communicate, how others perceive them, or just don't care.


THAT.

Using Comic Sans has zero upside. No one will look at your professional "Quarterly Usage and Informational Metrics Report" written in Comic Sans and go, "Wow! What an awesome piece of intellectual property!", but many people will go "Ugh, what a stomach-turning piece of useless twaddlefluff."

// and you don't want people bagging on your QUIM before you've even had a chance to open it
 
2012-07-05 11:06:39 AM  

LockeOak: If it doesn't look good the audience won't be with you, even subconsciously.


Absolutely this. Sitting through week-long conferences, you gain an appreciation for a presenter who cares about what his audience is seeing and hearing, rather than just chewing their way through their own slides until their time is up. My experience is that graduate students are better than professors, who are better than operational technicians/engineers. The students care because they're new at this and want to be understood, professors often don't give a shiat because their career is set and they don't need to impress anyone, and the last group just plain sucks at communicating. I've been to operational conferences that were basically museums of what NOT to do during a presentation.

This Higgs-Boson announcement is different because the results carry an incredible amount of weight (no pun intended, I swear), but ultimately it's a scientific presentation and the same rules apply.
 
2012-07-05 11:07:28 AM  

Dr Dreidel: rustypouch: Comic sans is not nice. When someone uses it in a professional setting, they let me know they have next to zero grasp on how to effectively communicate, how others perceive them, or just don't care.

THAT.

Using Comic Sans has zero upside. No one will look at your professional "Quarterly Usage and Informational Metrics Report" written in Comic Sans and go, "Wow! What an awesome piece of intellectual property!", but many people will go "Ugh, what a stomach-turning piece of useless twaddlefluff."

// and you don't want people bagging on your QUIM before you've even had a chance to open it


If there is a font that would make me excited about metrics, please let me know so I can tell the PowerPoint Rangers in my organization. Those meetings can get brutal.
 
2012-07-05 11:10:45 AM  

entropic_existence: White background and black text is actually the best combination, in general, for presentations.


I guess it's a personal preference thing. I find a dark background and light text to be easier on the eyes, and a white/black slide comes off not only as bleached and boring, but it's the default setting when you first open PowerPoint, so it comes off as "fark it, I'm not going to waste time making this look good".
 
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