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2012-07-05 05:39:58 PM

Dafatone: For the love of, uh, god, can we stop calling the Higgs Boson a "god particle"?

Wtf does that even mean?


From teh Wiki:

Higgs is an atheist, and is displeased that the Higgs particle is nicknamed the "God particle",[29] as he believes the term "might offend people who are religious".[30] Usually this nickname for the Higgs boson is attributed to Leon Lederman, the author of the book The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?, but the name is the result of the insistence of Lederman's publisher: Lederman had originally intended to refer to it as the "goddamn particle".
 
2012-07-05 05:57:13 PM

Relatively Obscure: Maybe you should just change the farking rule.


according to the article, it seems that it isn't a rule as much as it is a tradition or a standard practice.

if that is the case, seems simple to solve.
 
2012-07-05 05:58:13 PM
God particle?
Nobel Prize?
Controversy?

Sounds like 0bama is a slam dunk.
 
2012-07-05 06:53:18 PM
this is not really an issue. I heard an interview of Tom Kibble who said the credit goes to Higgs.
 
2012-07-05 06:55:57 PM
Just give it to Higgs. He is the one who had the original thought that said 'there should actually be a particle'. If you include anyone else then you get into sticky territory. It has always been the case that on experimental proof the originator of the concept gets the prize (which is why so many people have missed out because they died before experimental proof occurred)
 
2012-07-05 07:01:55 PM

mhd: I read that as "bosom wars". Disappointed.


Likewise.

FARK THIS SCIENCE CRAP! SHOW ME THE TITS!
 
2012-07-05 07:03:34 PM

the opposite of charity is justice: sparkyumr98: YAY BOSOM WARS!!!

/c'mon boobies thread

[greenobles.com image 450x300]


So why doesn't she have any?
 
2012-07-05 10:20:09 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: God particle?
Nobel Prize?
Controversy?

Sounds like 0bama is a slam dunk.


Pretty please can't you stick to threadshiatting in the politics tab?
 
2012-07-06 12:15:18 AM

SN1987a goes boom: kingoomieiii: hippyneil: Surely Barak Obama should get it. I mean, he got the Peace prize and did bugger-all for that, so the same applies here, does it not?


/Not an Obama hater but that whole episode made a mockery of the Nobel Prize and this isn't helping any.

Even Obama thought it was crazy. As I understand it, he struggled with whether it would be more rude to accept it or decline it. He ended up donating the award money to charity.

If anything, I've always thought that Nobel prize was the world's final "fark you" to GW Bush. I mean they gave the Nobel farking Peace Prize to the first not Bush we elected.


To be fair, the Peace Prize has been farked up for decades. Henery Kissinger, anyone?
 
2012-07-06 07:58:44 AM

Donnchadha: The Nobel goes to Peter Higgs

If anybody else joins him, it'll because they managed to use the Higgs Boson to actually do something other than find it.


Science isn't really your 'thing,' is it?
 
2012-07-06 08:09:47 AM

Dr Dreidel: rogue49: to be continued...

hmm...a war about something they have not truly proved yet.
VERY "Phantom Menace"

Does anyone have "Response #9826: Definition of Scientific 'Proof' vs Colloquial 'Proof'" handy? My TrollAway database is running slowly today...


Whoa, look out there. That guy is some kind of super-genius. We know, because he told us all just yesterday about how extremely awesome and smart he is. I was so impressed that I went to look at his website, but it doesn't seem to exist. It's probably only accessible to elite awesome geniuses.
 
2012-07-06 08:11:59 AM

kingoomieiii: I'll make it easy for you.

[images.theage.com.au image 200x271]

Just give it to that guy. Because he'll probably tie you up and leave you half-buried in the woods if you don't.


I loved the placement of that photo in TFA: "Here's a list of all the contenders we've scribbled down on our gin-soaked napkin. Now here's a photo of someone who isn't any of those guys. He's chief of security or something. Now where were we?"
 
2012-07-06 08:13:30 AM

Mr_Fabulous: Give it to the guys at Fermilab who did all the real legwork for years and years, before those CERN farks stepped in and took all the credit.


I guess we could biatch and moan about the ancient Greeks getting no credit, even though they first thought up atoms. You're being silly. And this isn't an issue anyone here has any reason to be concerned about at all.
 
2012-07-06 08:20:30 AM

Dafatone: For the love of, uh, god, can we stop calling the Higgs Boson a "god particle"?

Wtf does that even mean?


Physicist Leon Lederman wrote a book about 20th Century particle physics research. He was calling the Higgs boson "the goddamn(ed) particle," because the search for it had been so long and frustrating, and so much was riding on it. His publisher came up with 'the God particle,' apparently. Most physicists hate the term; Lederman laughs it off, but he does most things. Rather coincidentally, the particle is key to a lot of the Standard Model, and that seems to be what's carried the term forward to this point. But it's just silly, and everyone should ignore it. The press can't, because they just can't resist what they think are sexy-sounding expressions, but we can try to ignore them -- ideally by not calling attention to it or reacting to them.
 
2012-07-06 08:24:13 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: I took about five seconds of looking at that article to decide that it's evidence of why Pride is one of the Seven Deadly Sins


If you mean pride by journalists, then yes. There's no reason to believe that the world of physics is all a dither over this. It appears to be a manufactured controversy to sell media. It might become a dustup down the road, but if it does, it'll be over why the Nobel Committee is still applying 20th Century methods to 21st Century subjects.
 
2012-07-06 08:27:21 AM

Tyrosine: As a side note, it might be interesting to poll people to see how many Nobel winners they can name. Might even make a fun Fark survey question.


The problem with online trivia contests is that Wikipedia is also online.
 
2012-07-06 08:36:24 AM

Jesus McSordid: To be fair, the Peace Prize has been farked up for decades. Henery Kissinger, anyone?


I've started to consider that the modern Peace Prize is now handed out to whomever had the power to kill lots of people, but the restraint not to, and more importantly the resolve to try very hard not to kill as many people as they could. Kissinger is an odious being, but he worked hard to keep mid-Century proxy wars to reasonable size. In that sense, his methods, evil as they were, probably saved millions. Obama inherited two wars he would probably have avoided if it was his call, and getting out of something like that isn't as simple as lot of people seem to think it is. He was probably honoured for the same: trying hard to limit the damage, especially in the future, when he had the power to do exactly the opposite, as his predecessor did. And yeah, I do think it was also intended as a giant Fark You to the Bushies, as answer for their globe-stomping. You can make of it what you will, but they've still got a Peace Prize to give out every year, and both Gandhi and Mother Theresa are dead.
 
2012-07-06 09:16:28 AM

RedVentrue: SN1987a goes boom: kingoomieiii: hippyneil: Surely Barak Obama should get it. I mean, he got the Peace prize and did bugger-all for that, so the same applies here, does it not?


/Not an Obama hater but that whole episode made a mockery of the Nobel Prize and this isn't helping any.

Even Obama thought it was crazy. As I understand it, he struggled with whether it would be more rude to accept it or decline it. He ended up donating the award money to charity.

If anything, I've always thought that Nobel prize was the world's final "fark you" to GW Bush. I mean they gave the Nobel farking Peace Prize to the first not Bush we elected.

Obama is a Bush.

http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/obama-and-bush-are-cousin s /


I'm related to Bush and Quayle and Obama and do I ever get an invite for beer and potatoes? No!
 
2012-07-08 07:46:32 AM

Relatively Obscure: Maybe you should just change the farking rule.


Many scientists agree with you.
 
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