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(The Age (Melbourne))   Begun, the boson wars have   (theage.com.au ) divider line
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2012-07-05 12:25:11 AM  
There's one hell of a game of rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock a-brewin'.
 
2012-07-05 12:29:44 AM  
Maybe you should just change the farking rule.
 
2012-07-05 12:30:47 AM  
The Nobel goes to Peter Higgs

If anybody else joins him, it'll because they managed to use the Higgs Boson to actually do something other than find it.
 
2012-07-05 12:33:12 AM  

Donnchadha: The Nobel goes to Peter Higgs

If anybody else joins him, it'll because they managed to use the Higgs Boson to actually do something other than find it.


The proper name for the particle is a "yomom"
 
2012-07-05 03:06:32 AM  
This is how the third world war will start.
 
2012-07-05 07:40:50 AM  
This is exactly why my elementary school had a rule that said, if you're going to bring cupcakes to class, you have to make sure there are enough cupcakes for everyone to get one.
 
2012-07-05 09:46:41 AM  
So the big controversy is over who gets credit? Way to stay classy, physics.

My God, it's full of Rock Star Particle Physicists.
 
2012-07-05 10:01:01 AM  
Higgs is the one that introduced the particle and showed it had to exist. So he should get priority. Since he's the one that put forth the theory in the way it came to be integrated into the Standard Model. The work of the others and Higgs' work dealt with what's called symmetry breaking, which has been used to explain all sorts of stuff. It's hardly surprising that more than one person was using a standard idea to explain something at the same time. And back in 64 years ago symmetry breaking was really all over the place as it had been used to produce what's know as electroweak theory which unites the electromagnetic and weak nuclear forces. And three people got the Nobel for that one, two of the three having been classmates in high school.
 
2012-07-05 10:10:29 AM  

MrBallou: So the big controversy is over who gets credit? Way to stay classy, physics.


Welcome to the history of math and science. Newton and Leibniz had it out over who should get credit for calculus and had it out for quite some time. No matter who won, Leibniz gets the last laugh as it's his notation that's used to this very day for calculus. Funny enough today is the anniversary of the publication of Newton's Principia which is where he presented calculus, among other important things. Then there was the case of Wallace and Darwin, who could've had an epic blow out over credit for evolutionary theory given it was a letter from Wallace basically explaining his ideas on evolution that kicked Darwin's butt into gear to write Origin of Species. But Wallace and Darwin being the classy guys they were, decided there was nothing to argue about and praised each others work. Then there's the matter of who gets credit for non-Euclidean geometry and who knew what and when. And there are plenty of other disputes over who got something first or who should get credit for it in math and science.
 
2012-07-05 10:14:01 AM  
to be continued...

hmm...a war about something they have not truly proved yet.
VERY "Phantom Menace"
 
2012-07-05 10:16:30 AM  
Obama is president so, as leader of the nation, he obviously deserves it.
 
2012-07-05 10:16:32 AM  
Surely Barak Obama should get it. I mean, he got the Peace prize and did bugger-all for that, so the same applies here, does it not?


/Not an Obama hater but that whole episode made a mockery of the Nobel Prize and this isn't helping any.
 
2012-07-05 10:17:09 AM  
Well, it seems simple, really.

Just declare CERN a Corporation. Now CERN is a person, so that is 1. Higgs is 2, and you got room for one more.
 
2012-07-05 10:22:27 AM  
To paraphrase Henry Kissinger:

The battles in academia are so hard fought because the stakes are so low.
 
2012-07-05 10:24:47 AM  

rogue49: to be continued...

hmm...a war about something they have not truly proved yet.
VERY "Phantom Menace"


Does anyone have "Response #9826: Definition of Scientific 'Proof' vs Colloquial 'Proof'" handy? My TrollAway database is running slowly today...
 
2012-07-05 10:25:49 AM  
I was expecting this article to about all of these ignorant Christian fundies who are now triumphantly pointing at this discovery as "proof" of God.

/the original name was The Goddamn Particle
 
2012-07-05 10:28:46 AM  
I'm fairly sure the directors of CERN will put forward a list of names when the Nobel committee shows up.
 
2012-07-05 10:30:20 AM  
I'll make it easy for you.

images.theage.com.au

Just give it to that guy. Because he'll probably tie you up and leave you half-buried in the woods if you don't.
 
2012-07-05 10:32:54 AM  

hippyneil: Surely Barak Obama should get it. I mean, he got the Peace prize and did bugger-all for that, so the same applies here, does it not?


/Not an Obama hater but that whole episode made a mockery of the Nobel Prize and this isn't helping any.


Even Obama thought it was crazy. As I understand it, he struggled with whether it would be more rude to accept it or decline it. He ended up donating the award money to charity.
 
2012-07-05 10:42:51 AM  
Give it to the guys at Fermilab who did all the real legwork for years and years, before those CERN farks stepped in and took all the credit.
 
2012-07-05 10:43:24 AM  
But what about the poor innocent coxswains caught up in the bo's'n war?
 
mhd
2012-07-05 10:50:48 AM  
I read that as "bosom wars". Disappointed.
 
2012-07-05 11:00:59 AM  

kingoomieiii: I'll make it easy for you.

[images.theage.com.au image 200x271]

Just give it to that guy. Because he'll probably tie you up and leave you half-buried in the woods if you don't.


lol, true. That leaves space for one more.
 
2012-07-05 11:08:07 AM  
I'm more concerned about an unexpected resonance cascade event.
 
2012-07-05 11:11:41 AM  
For the love of, uh, god, can we stop calling the Higgs Boson a "god particle"?

Wtf does that even mean?
 
2012-07-05 11:17:22 AM  
Bosun wars? I am on team Smee
 
2012-07-05 11:22:46 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: I'm more concerned about an unexpected resonance cascade event.


Just cycle your shield harmonics. That always works for me.
 
2012-07-05 11:23:57 AM  

WhyteRaven74: MrBallou: So the big controversy is over who gets credit? Way to stay classy, physics.

Welcome to the history of math and science. Newton and Leibniz had it out over who should get credit for calculus and had it out for quite some time. No matter who won, Leibniz gets the last laugh as it's his notation that's used to this very day for calculus. Funny enough today is the anniversary of the publication of Newton's Principia which is where he presented calculus, among other important things. Then there was the case of Wallace and Darwin, who could've had an epic blow out over credit for evolutionary theory given it was a letter from Wallace basically explaining his ideas on evolution that kicked Darwin's butt into gear to write Origin of Species. But Wallace and Darwin being the classy guys they were, decided there was nothing to argue about and praised each others work. Then there's the matter of who gets credit for non-Euclidean geometry and who knew what and when. And there are plenty of other disputes over who got something first or who should get credit for it in math and science.


Ha. I'm reading a weird alternate history book about reconciling Newton and Leibniz right now. Or at least that's what the first act seems to be about. It's called Quicksilver. The style reminds me of Steampunk, but it's not. I think I want to call it Enlightenmentpunk or Mathpunk or something.

http://www.amazon.com/Quicksilver-The-Baroque-Cycle-Vol/dp/0380977427
 
2012-07-05 11:26:09 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-05 11:28:27 AM  
You know, some point in the middle of all this somebody will realize that they screwed up some math along the way and that the particle is actually something else entirely.
 
2012-07-05 11:32:00 AM  
I took about five seconds of looking at that article to decide that it's evidence of why Pride is one of the Seven Deadly Sins
 
2012-07-05 11:37:54 AM  

deschinc: Just cycle your shield harmonics. That always works for me.


Tried that, still got head crabs.
 
2012-07-05 11:52:28 AM  
images.theage.com.au

Wow, I had no idea Dr. Jan Itor had moved into physics. He's aged quite a bit.
 
2012-07-05 11:53:22 AM  

kingoomieiii: hippyneil: Surely Barak Obama should get it. I mean, he got the Peace prize and did bugger-all for that, so the same applies here, does it not?


/Not an Obama hater but that whole episode made a mockery of the Nobel Prize and this isn't helping any.

Even Obama thought it was crazy. As I understand it, he struggled with whether it would be more rude to accept it or decline it. He ended up donating the award money to charity.


If anything, I've always thought that Nobel prize was the world's final "fark you" to GW Bush. I mean they gave the Nobel farking Peace Prize to the first not Bush we elected.
 
2012-07-05 12:07:36 PM  

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LET DEATHBALL BEGIN!

 
2012-07-05 12:08:00 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: deschinc: Just cycle your shield harmonics. That always works for me.

Tried that, still got head crabs.


www.imagekandi.com
 
2012-07-05 12:09:19 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: I'm more concerned about an unexpected resonance cascade event.


It's probably not a problem.

/probably
 
2012-07-05 12:31:27 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: deschinc: Just cycle your shield harmonics. That always works for me.

Tried that, still got head crabs.


There's a crowbar app for that.
 
2012-07-05 12:32:10 PM  
YAY BOSOM WARS!!!

/c'mon boobies thread
 
2012-07-05 12:33:46 PM  

Tyrosine: To paraphrase Henry Kissinger:
The battles in academia are so hard fought because the stakes are so low.


Funny, but there's a lot of both fame and fortune attached to winning a Nobel Prize. (Over a million dollars in prize money, for one, although less than that per person if there are multiple recipients.)
 
2012-07-05 12:53:59 PM  

sparkyumr98: YAY BOSOM WARS!!!

/c'mon boobies thread


greenobles.com
 
2012-07-05 01:33:54 PM  

hippyneil: Surely Barak Obama should get it. I mean, he got the Peace prize and did bugger-all for that, so the same applies here, does it not?


/Not an Obama hater but that whole episode made a mockery of the Nobel Prize and this isn't helping any.


Should I bother to point out that the Peace prize and the Nobel Prize for the sciences are selected by different committees in different countries with different rules, or does it just not matter because of preconceived notions you have about the awards?
 
2012-07-05 02:09:40 PM  

MrBallou: So the big controversy is over who gets credit? Way to stay classy, physics.

My God, it's full of Rock Star Particle Physicists.


Reminded me of Ajay Bhatt
 
2012-07-05 02:24:06 PM  

cgraves67: Ha. I'm reading a weird alternate history book about reconciling Newton and Leibniz right now. Or at least that's what the first act seems to be about. It's called Quicksilver. The style reminds me of Steampunk, but it's not. I think I want to call it Enlightenmentpunk or Mathpunk or something.

http://www.amazon.com/Quicksilver-The-Baroque-Cycle-Vol/dp/0380977427


The entire Baroque Cycle is good, if you don't get intimidated by the page count.
 
2012-07-05 02:45:37 PM  

sparkyumr98: YAY BOSOM WARS!!!

/c'mon boobies thread


Ok so I'm not the only one...
 
2012-07-05 02:51:12 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: kingoomieiii: hippyneil: Surely Barak Obama should get it. I mean, he got the Peace prize and did bugger-all for that, so the same applies here, does it not?


/Not an Obama hater but that whole episode made a mockery of the Nobel Prize and this isn't helping any.

Even Obama thought it was crazy. As I understand it, he struggled with whether it would be more rude to accept it or decline it. He ended up donating the award money to charity.

If anything, I've always thought that Nobel prize was the world's final "fark you" to GW Bush. I mean they gave the Nobel farking Peace Prize to the first not Bush we elected.


Obama is a Bush.

http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/obama-and-bush-are-cousin s /
 
2012-07-05 03:00:45 PM  

Ambitwistor: Tyrosine: To paraphrase Henry Kissinger:
The battles in academia are so hard fought because the stakes are so low.

Funny, but there's a lot of both fame and fortune attached to winning a Nobel Prize. (Over a million dollars in prize money, for one, although less than that per person if there are multiple recipients.)


With respect to the Nobels in physics, chemistry, and medicine / physiology 99% of the population couldn't name more that one or two winners if that, so I wouldn't put a lot of value on the fame aspect.

Even within the sciences I doubt most people could name more than a a couple of names outside of their chosen discipline, but you do have a point and I was being more than a bit facetious. Still I'll bet this fight has less to do with the prize itself than the inevitable pissing contest within this community of physicists.

As a side note, it might be interesting to poll people to see how many Nobel winners they can name. Might even make a fun Fark survey question.
 
2012-07-05 03:07:05 PM  

Tyrosine: With respect to the Nobels in physics, chemistry, and medicine / physiology 99% of the population couldn't name more that one or two winners if that, so I wouldn't put a lot of value on the fame aspect.


You wouldn't, but professional fame matters to people too, not just academics. To many, it matters more than popular fame.

Even within the sciences I doubt most people could name more than a a couple of names outside of their chosen discipline, but you do have a point and I was being more than a bit facetious. Still I'll bet this fight has less to do with the prize itself than the inevitable pissing contest within this community of physicists.

Yeah, I don't think it's really the prize so much as the recognition. Academics are sticklers for giving credit where it's due (which inevitably leads to the question of to whom it's due most).

As a side note, it might be interesting to poll people to see how many Nobel winners they can name. Might even make a fun Fark survey question.

Being a physicist, I could name a big pile of physicists ... and then like two other people. :)
 
2012-07-05 03:09:50 PM  

kingoomieiii: I'll make it easy for you.

[images.theage.com.au image 200x271]

Just give it to that guy. Because he'll probably tie you up and leave you half-buried in the woods if you don't.


I wonder if he's related to Simon Gruber? Isn't Detective McClane currently on vacation at Montreux?
 
2012-07-05 03:34:25 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Give it to the guys at Fermilab who did all the real legwork for years and years, before those CERN farks stepped in and took all the credit.


To be fair, the US has been farking places like Fermilab for years. When funding is getting slashed and projects just can't seem to get off the ground, you can't be surprised when someone else comes through.

/Want to be angry? Direct your ire at your politicians.
 
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