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2012-07-04 09:30:11 PM  
postmoderngentleman.com
 
2012-07-04 09:38:08 PM  
Damn, he's ugly.
 
2012-07-04 09:38:58 PM  
Soon Phoenix will lose their NHL hockey team to Canada
 
2012-07-04 09:47:43 PM  
The Mavericks, Lakers, and Spurs are all getting older and Nash does nothing to change this equation.
 
2012-07-05 12:10:16 AM  
mikemoto:The Mavericks, Lakers, and Spurs are all getting older and Nash does nothing to change this equation.

THIS. As much as it's a dagger to Suns fans, it was probably the right deal. Steve Nash might beat the Suns during the regular season, but the Suns are nowhere close to contending and Nash won't bring another championship to the Lakers.
 
2012-07-05 12:22:12 AM  

azmoviez: mikemoto:The Mavericks, Lakers, and Spurs are all getting older and Nash does nothing to change this equation.

THIS. As much as it's a dagger to Suns fans, it was probably the right deal. Steve Nash might beat the Suns during the regular season, but the Suns are nowhere close to contending and Nash won't bring another championship to the Lakers.


Can't hurt. They need serious help at point guard, and he should help with that, even at his age.
What the Lakers really need is for someone to slap Bynum upside the head on a regular basis until he actually shows some maturity.
 
2012-07-05 12:23:36 AM  
Oh he's going all maverick again. Fark him.
 
2012-07-05 12:47:16 AM  
I don't care for the WWNBAE at all, but any day the Lakers win is a bad day. Today is a bad day.
 
2012-07-05 02:02:09 AM  

ontariolightning: Soon Phoenix will lose their NHL hockey team to Canada


I'd love to see Hamilton get the team, just to have hockey return to Ontario.
 
2012-07-05 02:43:42 AM  

azmoviez: THIS. As much as it's a dagger to Suns fans, it was probably the right deal. Steve Nash might beat the Suns during the regular season, but the Suns are nowhere close to contending and Nash won't bring another championship to the Lakers.


Agreed. Looking long-term, it was probably about as good of a deal as the Suns could have gotten, and it's not like this is going to be the missing piece that gives the Lakers the edge to get past the Heat (or even the Thunder, for that matter).

The trouble, though, is that to paraphrase the immortal Phil Hartman as Lyle Lanley, Robert Sarver with a bunch of draft picks is like a mule with a spinning wheel: Nobody knows how he got them, and danged if he knows how to use them. It would be nice if the Suns could repackage them and move higher in the draft in a year or two, but he'll probably just end up selling them for cash or some such bullshiat.

In the end, as a Suns fan I was rooting for Nash to go somewhere where he could at least contend for a well-deserved title, but if he wants to ride the gravy train into the sunset in LA Pujols-style, then meh, it's his choice. Not that there isn't a part of me that still gets kinda rage-stabby about him going to the god-damned Lakers.

/I also whole-heartedly approve of them signing Dragic - I don't WTF they were thinking letting him go in the first place.
 
2012-07-05 03:08:43 AM  

Bob_Laublaw: ontariolightning: Soon Phoenix will lose their NHL hockey team to Canada

I'd love to see Hamilton get the team, just to have hockey return to Ontario.


I'm sorry, I believe this has nothing to do with hockey so move along, kids.
 
2012-07-05 03:35:53 AM  
Truly this is the darkest timeline.
www.yidio.com

/stolen from blazersedge
 
2012-07-05 03:43:58 AM  
Resigned Baby Huey Bynum. Traded the future for a point guard with his best years behind him. Wtf is Buss doing? Bynum won't play hard for LA as long as its Kobe's team. Nash plays too fast for Kobe and Gasol. If they can send Bynum, and his way too overpriced contract to Orlando I might have faith in next season.
 
2012-07-05 04:10:57 AM  

Dude O Matic 5000: Resigned Baby Huey Bynum. Traded the future for a point guard with his best years behind him. Wtf is Buss doing? Bynum won't play hard for LA as long as its Kobe's team. Nash plays too fast for Kobe and Gasol. If they can send Bynum, and his way too overpriced contract to Orlando I might have faith in next season.


Howard doesn't want to go to the Lakers because he has a bruised hymen. Seriously.
 
2012-07-05 04:52:04 AM  

Dude O Matic 5000: Resigned Baby Huey Bynum. Traded the future for a point guard with his best years behind him. Wtf is Buss doing? Bynum won't play hard for LA as long as its Kobe's team. Nash plays too fast for Kobe and Gasol. If they can send Bynum, and his way too overpriced contract to Orlando I might have faith in next season.


The Lakers draft poorly. That wasn't the future, at least at the position they would be drafting at. It is a lot to give for someone that is well past their prime, but I guess it shows how desperate they are for a good PG. Nash plays too fast in the break for Kobe(Gasol is fine), but what he really does as a natural penetrator is give Kobe and Gasol(high post) open jumpers as the defense collapses. This definitely means that Kobe has to resign himself to the Ray Allen role and give up running the offense.
 
2012-07-05 05:05:11 AM  

mikemoto: The Mavericks, Lakers, and Spurs are all getting older and Nash does nothing to change this equation.


This. I really didn't understand the reasoning, but maybe they have some plans for a brighter future. Kobe isn't the future, he's becoming the past. I guess the Lakers are going all in for NOW.
 
2012-07-05 06:47:12 AM  

SilentStrider: What the Lakers really need is for someone to slap Bynum upside the head on a regular basis until he actually shows some maturity.


It'll be fascinating to see what kind of calming effect Nash might have on that locker room. We know Nash is a hard worker just by virtue of him still being able to play like he does at 38, he'll have Kobe's respect. Having another vet like that who knows how to take care of business can only help keep Bynum and Pau in check as well. I'd say this puts the Lakers 3rd in the West behind SA at least.

Also, Lol Toronto. $20 million of Landry Fields just to submarine the Knicks, and in swoop the Lakers.
 
2012-07-05 07:12:33 AM  
There is much shock and consternation in the Big Smoke this morning; that a dude, born in South Africa and raised in Victoria, wouldn't want to come home to Toronto.
 
2012-07-05 08:14:17 AM  
Nash's best years might be behind him, but it's worth pointing out to all those who are saying he can't help much: He was easily a top-five, probably a top-three point guard at age 38 last season and came within a single game of dragging a Suns team that had almost nobody else of any discernable talent into the playoffs by somehow finding open shots for himself and teammates even though every goddamn team they faced knew that all they had to do was stop Nash.

If you don't think this makes the Lakers a serious, serious title threat for the next couple of years, you're just hating. You know how you needed last year to flood the post, double Kobe and force the Lakers outside shooting to beat you? Force them to move the ball away from Kobe and the paint? None of that works anymore. None of it, because Nash hits all those open shots the Lakers backcourt missed without even batting an eye; Nash puts Kobe/Bynum/Gasol in position to work as soon as they touch the ball, rather than having to either dribble around four guys (Kobe) or set up and hope Kobe feels like passing on any given play (Bynum/Gasol). The Lakers just went from cast-offs to an all-star at the position that was their biggest weakness, and people don't think this puts them back in the title conversation? Really?
It's a game changer.

/raptors fan, not lakers fan
//do not underestimate steve nash, ever
 
2012-07-05 08:46:15 AM  
Still won't be able to beat a team with a good point guard.

I'd even say that Nash is a WORSE defender than Derek Fisher.
 
2012-07-05 08:52:07 AM  

star_topology: Still won't be able to beat a team with a good point guard.

I'd even say that Nash is a WORSE defender than Derek Fisher.


Did you watch any of the Finals in HD? Wade and Chalmers were getting boners every time they saw Fisher guarding them.
 
2012-07-05 09:17:35 AM  
At first I was like "No! EVIL!!!", but then this should be fun to watch.
 
2012-07-05 09:23:51 AM  
*Whew*

I was afraid this was about Shane Doan. But it's about that non-sport.
 
2012-07-05 09:30:24 AM  
yeah...bring someone in to work with kobe that isnt a mirror...this should go over well...
 
2012-07-05 09:34:41 AM  
Hey, cheer up Suns fans, at least your offseason hasn't been so bad that the consipiracy theory that every move that has been made is part of a giant tanking effort is an improvement over your team actually trying during the offseason

/Rockets fan
 
2012-07-05 09:43:23 AM  
Nash, Kobe, Artest, Gasol and Bynum is a solid starting 5 that could take on any team in the NBA.

The factors that are working against them are all up to them. The offense needs to run through Nash first and not Kobe, which is a change of pace for the Lakers. This team is old, so injuries can and probably will be an issue. Artest is still crazy.

I'd love to see the Heat play these guys in a seven game series while both teams are 100% healthy. I don't see Lebron winning that one.
 
2012-07-05 09:54:36 AM  

homarjr: I'd love to see the Heat play these guys in a seven game series while both teams are 100% healthy. I don't see Lebron winning that one.


The Heat would kill the Lakers because Kobe thinks he can go heroball 1v1 with LeBron but he can't. LeBron's team almost always beats Kobe's team irrespective of the other four players on the floor.

Having a PG who's willing and able to pass inside to Bynum & Gasol should help the Lakers a lot, though, provided the team can figure out how to operate with two ball dominant guys in the backcourt. It took Wade and LeBron two full seasons to figure out how to run effective plays off the ball, and neither of them dominate the ball as much as Kobe.
 
2012-07-05 10:13:30 AM  
He still cant guard Westbrook.
 
2012-07-05 10:15:26 AM  

homarjr: Nash, Kobe, Artest, Gasol and Bynum is a solid starting 5 that could take on any team in the NBA....5 years ago (except Bynum)

 
2012-07-05 10:19:00 AM  

you have pee hands: homarjr: I'd love to see the Heat play these guys in a seven game series while both teams are 100% healthy. I don't see Lebron winning that one.

The Heat would kill the Lakers because Kobe thinks he can go heroball 1v1 with LeBron but he can't. LeBron's team almost always beats Kobe's team irrespective of the other four players on the floor.

Having a PG who's willing and able to pass inside to Bynum & Gasol should help the Lakers a lot, though, provided the team can figure out how to operate with two ball dominant guys in the backcourt. It took Wade and LeBron two full seasons to figure out how to run effective plays off the ball, and neither of them dominate the ball as much as Kobe.


Neither Wade nor Lebron are point guards. Big difference here. With Nash carrying the ball up the court, Kobe doesn't have a chance to be a ball hog - Nash will find the right open man, because that's what he does best. Has Kobe ever had a point guard that was this good?

In my opinion, Kobe and Lebron are a wash for the most part, with Lebron having a slight edge because of age. Both are exceptional at defense, and if Kobe ever needs a change, LA has Artest to cover LBJ. However, Nash and Gasol can't be stopped by the Heat that easily. Chalmers and Wade can't stop Nash and Bosh can't stop Gasol.
 
2012-07-05 10:26:39 AM  

homarjr: Neither Wade nor Lebron are point guards. Big difference here. With Nash carrying the ball up the court, Kobe doesn't have a chance to be a ball hog - Nash will find the right open man, because that's what he does best. Has Kobe ever had a point guard that was this good?


Kobe needs the ball in his hand to be effective, he's not really an off-the-ball player, that's one reason this won't really work out.

homarjr: Kobe and Lebron are a wash for the most part, with Lebron having a slight edge because of age. Both are exceptional at defense, and if Kobe ever needs a change,


Lebron is already better than Kobe ever was, and is signficantly better than Kobe now.
 
2012-07-05 10:31:14 AM  

homarjr: In my opinion, Kobe and Lebron are a wash for the most part, with Lebron having a slight edge because of age.


And LeBron being better at everything than Kobe at this point. Aside from that, they're totally equal. And the fact that they don't even play the same position (World Peace guards LeBron, not Kobe).
 
2012-07-05 10:34:25 AM  
Basically, the move makes the Lakers a little better - still probably not going to win the West, but they're a more significant threat. It means Steve Nash is probably going to finish his career without a ring, though, and it means he goes to one of his former team's most hated opponents.

Unless the Lakers get lucky here, everyone comes out of this worse off. OKC definitely could've used Nash to replace Fisher and would've had a much better shot at winning a title (and being a backup would help save his back).
 
Slu
2012-07-05 10:43:14 AM  

Bob_Laublaw: ontariolightning: Soon Phoenix will lose their NHL hockey team to Canada

I'd love to see Hamilton get the team, just to have hockey return to Ontario.


Well, one can see Ontario from where the Sabres play, so they are very close to some hockey. :)
 
2012-07-05 10:45:19 AM  
This will work... until Nash starts feeding Bynum and Gasol more than Kobe. Than Kobe throws a fit, and the whole thing goes downhill. Kobe is a black hole and wouldn't have it any other way.
 
2012-07-05 10:46:09 AM  

homarjr: Neither Wade nor Lebron are point guards. Big difference here. With Nash carrying the ball up the court, Kobe doesn't have a chance to be a ball hog - Nash will find the right open man, because that's what he does best. Has Kobe ever had a point guard that was this good?

In my opinion, Kobe and Lebron are a wash for the most part, with Lebron having a slight edge because of age. Both are exceptional at defense, and if Kobe ever needs a change, LA has Artest to cover LBJ. However, Nash and Gasol can't be stopped by the Heat that easily. Chalmers and Wade can't stop Nash and Bosh can't stop Gasol.


The Heat PGs can't guard Nash but Nash can't guard anyone, and having Wade/LeBron gives you a lot of defensive flexibility. The Lakers don't really have a 3 who needs to be guarded. World Peace has his moments but for the most part he's not an effective offensive player. He'd get the same treatment Sefalosha got.

The Lakers are a lot bigger, but if the Heat go small then Bynum has to chase Bosh out to 18 feet which he isn't good at and doesn't like to do. Though I'm not sure whether the Heat's inability to guard Gasol/Bynum at the same time would be more or less important than the Lakers's inability to keep Miami from running all over them.

IAmRight: And LeBron being better at everything than Kobe at this point. Aside from that, they're totally equal. And the fact that they don't even play the same position (World Peace guards LeBron, not Kobe).


World Peace can't play 40 minutes a game. Kobe sometimes tries to guard LeBron to prove that he's The Man, but he's not a good enough defender anymore.
 
2012-07-05 10:47:35 AM  

IAmRight: homarjr: In my opinion, Kobe and Lebron are a wash for the most part, with Lebron having a slight edge because of age.

And LeBron being better at everything than Kobe at this point. Aside from that, they're totally equal. And the fact that they don't even play the same position (World Peace guards LeBron, not Kobe).


Iamright is right about something for once.

I think the Mayans spoke of this.
 
2012-07-05 10:49:38 AM  

FreetardoRivera: IAmRight: homarjr: In my opinion, Kobe and Lebron are a wash for the most part, with Lebron having a slight edge because of age.

And LeBron being better at everything than Kobe at this point. Aside from that, they're totally equal. And the fact that they don't even play the same position (World Peace guards LeBron, not Kobe).

Iamright is right about something for once.

I think the Mayans spoke of this.


Im pretty sure he was right about who was going to win the NBA title this year.
 
2012-07-05 11:03:28 AM  

Gunny Highway: Im pretty sure he was right about who was going to win the NBA title this year.


Not exactly a limb he went out there on.
 
2012-07-05 11:05:25 AM  

RedEyedWings: Nash's best years might be behind him, but it's worth pointing out to all those who are saying he can't help much: He was easily a top-five, probably a top-three point guard at age 38 last season and came within a single game of dragging a Suns team that had almost nobody else of any discernable talent into the playoffs by somehow finding open shots for himself and teammates even though every goddamn team they faced knew that all they had to do was stop Nash.

If you don't think this makes the Lakers a serious, serious title threat for the next couple of years, you're just hating. You know how you needed last year to flood the post, double Kobe and force the Lakers outside shooting to beat you? Force them to move the ball away from Kobe and the paint? None of that works anymore. None of it, because Nash hits all those open shots the Lakers backcourt missed without even batting an eye; Nash puts Kobe/Bynum/Gasol in position to work as soon as they touch the ball, rather than having to either dribble around four guys (Kobe) or set up and hope Kobe feels like passing on any given play (Bynum/Gasol). The Lakers just went from cast-offs to an all-star at the position that was their biggest weakness, and people don't think this puts them back in the title conversation? Really?
It's a game changer.

/raptors fan, not lakers fan
//do not underestimate steve nash, ever


Top five point guard last year? No. No he wasn't. Not even close. He may have been a top 15 point guard maybe. His horrible defense was even worse, as in Derick fisher level of bad with out Fishers flashes of youth and veteran being in the right place at the right time. Steve is a top 20 pg, and is best served running a team behind a younger guard willing to d up someone. Last years pgs better then Nash. Rondo, Parker, Rose (even with the missed time factored in), Westbrook, Williams, Lowry, Conley, Lawson, CP3, Irving. Next year there are going to be 5 more better then Nash, mark me down early for saying it, Wall, Holiday, Collison, Curry, Brooks. That isn't even bringing up Rubio, Hill, Dragic, Teague, and Jennings who all could be better then Nash as well.
 
2012-07-05 11:06:57 AM  

Wookie Milson: There is much shock and consternation in the Big Smoke this morning; that a dude, born in South Africa and raised in Victoria, wouldn't want to come home to Toronto.


Heh, seriously. I remember when they floated the offer, and I kept thinking "No way in hell Nash ends up in Toronto. He likes playing basketball too much to end up in this black hole of a sports city"
 
2012-07-05 11:08:12 AM  

Rozotorical: Holiday


Holiday stinks... trust me.
 
2012-07-05 11:09:39 AM  

you have pee hands: homarjr: Neither Wade nor Lebron are point guards. Big difference here. With Nash carrying the ball up the court, Kobe doesn't have a chance to be a ball hog - Nash will find the right open man, because that's what he does best. Has Kobe ever had a point guard that was this good?

In my opinion, Kobe and Lebron are a wash for the most part, with Lebron having a slight edge because of age. Both are exceptional at defense, and if Kobe ever needs a change, LA has Artest to cover LBJ. However, Nash and Gasol can't be stopped by the Heat that easily. Chalmers and Wade can't stop Nash and Bosh can't stop Gasol.

The Heat PGs can't guard Nash but Nash can't guard anyone, and having Wade/LeBron gives you a lot of defensive flexibility. The Lakers don't really have a 3 who needs to be guarded. World Peace has his moments but for the most part he's not an effective offensive player. He'd get the same treatment Sefalosha got.

The Lakers are a lot bigger, but if the Heat go small then Bynum has to chase Bosh out to 18 feet which he isn't good at and doesn't like to do. Though I'm not sure whether the Heat's inability to guard Gasol/Bynum at the same time would be more or less important than the Lakers's inability to keep Miami from running all over them.

IAmRight: And LeBron being better at everything than Kobe at this point. Aside from that, they're totally equal. And the fact that they don't even play the same position (World Peace guards LeBron, not Kobe).

World Peace can't play 40 minutes a game. Kobe sometimes tries to guard LeBron to prove that he's The Man, but he's not a good enough defender anymore.


Kobe has always had problems guarding forwards. Everyone knows if you put your body on Kobe he backs down. Kobe would be guarding wade though so the point is moot. The Lakers needed wing players, back up bigs, and a back up pg who played d. If the Lakers are done making moves it will take another MVP level of play from kobe to get them the third/fourth seed. Let us be honest how many more can you expect from the dude?
 
2012-07-05 11:10:35 AM  

MugzyBrown: Rozotorical: Holiday

Holiday stinks... trust me.


Maybe you should wait to smell him until after he showers?
 
2012-07-05 11:20:20 AM  
The Lakers are primed to win the 2004 NBA Championship
 
2012-07-05 11:25:47 AM  
Is anyone else concerned that he'll be leaving the friendly comforts of Phoenix's training staff? Wasn't he considered brittle before he went there?
 
2012-07-05 11:26:45 AM  
Well the Lakers are still not as good as the Spurs or Oklahoma City, but at least this will allow them to move up to third in the West. Let's take a look at the ol' conference standings from this past year...oh.

/Guess they going all in on Howard
//Is Howard that big of an upgrade over Bynum really? At least Howard has never tried to kill someone on the court, I suppose
 
2012-07-05 11:28:29 AM  

Rozotorical: RedEyedWings: Nash's best years might be behind him, but it's worth pointing out to all those who are saying he can't help much: He was easily a top-five, probably a top-three point guard at age 38 last season and came within a single game of dragging a Suns team that had almost nobody else of any discernable talent into the playoffs by somehow finding open shots for himself and teammates even though every goddamn team they faced knew that all they had to do was stop Nash.

If you don't think this makes the Lakers a serious, serious title threat for the next couple of years, you're just hating. You know how you needed last year to flood the post, double Kobe and force the Lakers outside shooting to beat you? Force them to move the ball away from Kobe and the paint? None of that works anymore. None of it, because Nash hits all those open shots the Lakers backcourt missed without even batting an eye; Nash puts Kobe/Bynum/Gasol in position to work as soon as they touch the ball, rather than having to either dribble around four guys (Kobe) or set up and hope Kobe feels like passing on any given play (Bynum/Gasol). The Lakers just went from cast-offs to an all-star at the position that was their biggest weakness, and people don't think this puts them back in the title conversation? Really?
It's a game changer.

/raptors fan, not lakers fan
//do not underestimate steve nash, ever

Top five point guard last year? No. No he wasn't. Not even close. He may have been a top 15 point guard maybe. His horrible defense was even worse, as in Derick fisher level of bad with out Fishers flashes of youth and veteran being in the right place at the right time. Steve is a top 20 pg, and is best served running a team behind a younger guard willing to d up someone. Last years pgs better then Nash. Rondo, Parker, Rose (even with the missed time factored in), Westbrook, Williams, Lowry, Conley, Lawson, CP3, Irving. Next year there are going to be 5 more better then Nash, mark me down ear ...


I totally disagree. Obviously it depends on what you're looking for, but on a Lakers team that features two big guys who can be effective scorers when given the ball in the right places, and an elite guard that draws double teams, a PG who excels in assists (your "top 20 pg" was second in the NBA in assists, more than 1.5 ahead of 3rd place CP3, passing to nobodies) and is perhaps the best shooting PG in the NBA (he's a friggin perimeter player shooting 53%, the only PG in the top 30 in FG%) he's a pretty fantastic fit. And remember, those stats came with nobody else on the Suns team, save maybe Gortat, worth really planning for.

Yes, he plays no defence. No question. But that's a small price to pay for a guy who is literally everything the Lakers need, and who doesn't give a crap about getting his shots.
 
2012-07-05 11:29:22 AM  
Kobe hasn't been a top level defender for a couple years now, hes too old to move that fast, especially lateral movement.
 
2012-07-05 11:30:44 AM  

RedEyedWings: Yes, he plays no defence. No question. But that's a small price to pay for a guy who is literally everything the Lakers need, and who doesn't give a crap about getting his shots.


See, people keep saying that having a defensive hole doesn't hurt you. Then, every year, the last four teams left in the playoffs are the four teams playing the best defense.
 
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